For those that cry for what's happening to PornHub, Traffic Junky, and similar platforms ...

[NALEM]

... SNAP OUT OF IT!

Let's not forget the recent past. PornHub, like most
other financially successful tube sites, allegedly stole in mass, valuable content from their creators. This theft was managed by PornHub directly and or conveniently, by retaining third parties to rip and upload the videos.

Remember, those affected by PornHub's actions always cried about this yet failed to organize themselves with the other business victims to put an end to this more effectively. You can all lie to one another, but at least be honest with yourselves. Most of you didn't even try to challenge PornHub or their service providers legally or publically. A few business-savvy people on this and the other board provided some solid advice on how to go about it. Many of you didn't even use the defense tools made available to help minimize the possibility of your content being ripped, let alone being re-published to unauthorized sites.

Eventually, in the eyes of consumers, mainstream advertisers, and even the victims of the content theft, the dark horse was turning its coat to be quasi white. Having stolen the vast majority of the content published online and now having the bulk of traffic, the theft victims took the lazy approach of "if can't beat them, join them".

Now you voluntarily upload your fresh unique content to their site, surrendering control over its distribution, and hope for some of the cash to trickle down to you. PornHub, had the technical and financial means to control the uploading of unlicensed/illegal videos by their "rogue" members. PornHub chose not to implement those processes, because it goes against their very profitable business model.

We all know that MC and VISA are themselves whores for money, and would allow their own mothers to be sold using their branded cards and network. Long overdue, MC and VISA are under public relations moral pressure to do something. They are distancing themselves only because the facts came out to light to many times recently, and now in a well-respected publication. Keep in mind that this is a calculated move on their part. What money they lose in PornHub transactions, will be made up among the hundreds to thousands of platforms that prove themselves to be legit and not involved in creating, publishing, or distributing any form of content deemed illegal. Keep that in mind. This is your time to regain control of your content and business.

Kick em while they are down. Many of you were victims of having your content ripped off and published on such sites as PornHub. Remember all the occasions your notices to remove your content was ignored by them? Remember when they removed it, only to have it reappear days later? It's time for each of you to write up brief "affidavits" clearing explaining who you are, how and when you were victimized by Porn Hub and the other sites. Send them to Visa and MC to help solidify their decision against them. You have a rare opportunity to place a series of nails in PornHub's coffin, before PornHub and the others find a way to crawl out of their current circumstances.

[The Porn Nerd]

Did not read.

[Useless Warrior]

Originally Posted by NALEM

Kick em while they are down. Many of you were victims of having your content ripped off and published on such sites as PornHub.

Not to mention how they have always used the names of the popular, established free sites as part of the SEO strategy. They have always been a completely unapologetic sack of cunts.

[King Mark]

I don't always agree with what NALEM says, but when I do, see sig...

[nikki99]

[SBJ]

lol @ all the Did not read. I read enough to agree but didn't read 70% of it. I'm glad it happened to Pornhub. I work in porn but I've never considered tubes to be in the same biz I'm in.

I'm here to sell porn not give it all away for free and sell traffic. phub is like the 1% ers and I'm always happy to see them get a reality check

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by NALEM

... SNAP OUT OF IT!

Let's not forget the recent past. PornHub, like most
other financially successful tube sites, allegedly stole in mass, valuable content from their creators. This theft was managed by PornHub directly and or conveniently, by retaining third parties to rip and upload the videos.

Remember, those affected by PornHub's actions always cried about this yet failed to organize themselves with the other business victims to put an end to this more effectively. You can all lie to one another, but at least be honest with yourselves. Most of you didn't even try to challenge PornHub or their service providers legally or publically. A few business-savvy people on this and the other board provided some solid advice on how to go about it. Many of you didn't even use the defense tools made available to help minimize the possibility of your content being ripped, let alone being re-published to unauthorized sites.

Eventually, in the eyes of consumers, mainstream advertisers, and even the victims of the content theft, the dark horse was turning its coat to be quasi white. Having stolen the vast majority of the content published online and now having the bulk of traffic, the theft victims took the lazy approach of "if can't beat them, join them".

Now you voluntarily upload your fresh unique content to their site, surrendering control over its distribution, and hope for some of the cash to trickle down to you. PornHub, had the technical and financial means to control the uploading of unlicensed/illegal videos by their "rogue" members. PornHub chose not to implement those processes, because it goes against their very profitable business model.

We all know that MC and VISA are themselves whores for money, and would allow their own mothers to be sold using their branded cards and network. Long overdue, MC and VISA are under public relations moral pressure to do something. They are distancing themselves only because the facts came out to light to many times recently, and now in a well-respected publication. Keep in mind that this is a calculated move on their part. What money they lose in PornHub transactions, will be made up among the hundreds to thousands of platforms that prove themselves to be legit and not involved in creating, publishing, or distributing any form of content deemed illegal. Keep that in mind. This is your time to regain control of your content and business.

Kick em while they are down. Many of you were victims of having your content ripped off and published on such sites as PornHub. Remember all the occasions your notices to remove your content was ignored by them? Remember when they removed it, only to have it reappear days later? It's time for each of you to write up brief "affidavits" clearing explaining who you are, how and when you were victimized by Porn Hub and the other sites. Send them to Visa and MC to help solidify their decision against them. You have a rare opportunity to place a series of nails in PornHub's coffin, before PornHub and the others find a way to crawl out of their current circumstances.

#truth

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by NALEM

Kick em while they are down.

I dig the unchristian attitude . . .

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I dig the unchristian attitude . . .

Right? I'd expect far more Christian like attitude on a porn forum.

[Dennis69]

Originally Posted by NALEM

... SNAP OUT OF IT!

Let's not forget the recent past. PornHub, like most
other financially successful tube sites, allegedly stole in mass, valuable content from their creators. This theft was managed by PornHub directly and or conveniently, by retaining third parties to rip and upload the videos.

Remember, those affected by PornHub's actions always cried about this yet failed to organize themselves with the other business victims to put an end to this more effectively. You can all lie to one another, but at least be honest with yourselves. Most of you didn't even try to challenge PornHub or their service providers legally or publically. A few business-savvy people on this and the other board provided some solid advice on how to go about it. Many of you didn't even use the defense tools made available to help minimize the possibility of your content being ripped, let alone being re-published to unauthorized sites.

Eventually, in the eyes of consumers, mainstream advertisers, and even the victims of the content theft, the dark horse was turning its coat to be quasi white. Having stolen the vast majority of the content published online and now having the bulk of traffic, the theft victims took the lazy approach of "if can't beat them, join them".

Now you voluntarily upload your fresh unique content to their site, surrendering control over its distribution, and hope for some of the cash to trickle down to you. PornHub, had the technical and financial means to control the uploading of unlicensed/illegal videos by their "rogue" members. PornHub chose not to implement those processes, because it goes against their very profitable business model.

We all know that MC and VISA are themselves whores for money, and would allow their own mothers to be sold using their branded cards and network. Long overdue, MC and VISA are under public relations moral pressure to do something. They are distancing themselves only because the facts came out to light to many times recently, and now in a well-respected publication. Keep in mind that this is a calculated move on their part. What money they lose in PornHub transactions, will be made up among the hundreds to thousands of platforms that prove themselves to be legit and not involved in creating, publishing, or distributing any form of content deemed illegal. Keep that in mind. This is your time to regain control of your content and business.

Kick em while they are down. Many of you were victims of having your content ripped off and published on such sites as PornHub. Remember all the occasions your notices to remove your content was ignored by them? Remember when they removed it, only to have it reappear days later? It's time for each of you to write up brief "affidavits" clearing explaining who you are, how and when you were victimized by Porn Hub and the other sites. Send them to Visa and MC to help solidify their decision against them. You have a rare opportunity to place a series of nails in PornHub's coffin, before PornHub and the others find a way to crawl out of their current circumstances.

[cordoba]

I don't think anyone is crying for Pornhub. I think we're scared for the future of the industry when a handful of Twitter crazies, who state time and time again that they want all porn banned, can successfully cajole the NYT into publishing an op-ed to successfully cajole Mastercard and Visa to pull the plug on a behemoth like Mindgeek almost overnight.

If you think these fanatics are now going to sit back and let the adult industry boom in the absence of Pornhub, you haven't been paying attention.

[NALEM]

I read and feel what you are stating. If we can be truly honest with ourselves, then anything positive or negative that happens to this industry, is a direct result of our own actions and or failures. The adult industry as a whole has failed time and time again to self regulate. If we cannot properly manage it ourselves, someone else will do it for us.

Me, I have no skin left in this game. I visit GFY and X**Z as a distraction, to entertain myself, and occasionally help out someone that may be in need of some direction. I can imagine that PornHub and the others are working overtime internally to correct course. All the others sites are doing their knee jerk reactions to what is playing out.

PornHub will likely survive this, as they distance themselves from the illegal content, and focus strictly on the content legally provided by the registered producers. That part of the business, the legit side, will only survive, if the studios stick with them. If the studios were to rise to the moral occasion and say "no" we wont do business with PornHub for what they allegedly did to us in the past, PornHub would have very limited content from their own in house/contracted producers. In that scenario, they would no longer be the "Hub" for "Porn" and their traffic dominance would go away, and instead would available to the independent platforms to attract. Make sense?

[IstvanXXX]

I agree with Nalem...

I am not crying for PornHub ! I think this is the right time for them to get some worthy of punishment by MC and Visa, and hopefully, PH will think again what they can do in the future again with the valuable members of adult industry.

As I heard in the past years, PornHub many years ago - had stolen big quantity of contents from creators when they started their tube business, then came big with those movies by protecting themselves with lawyers... And IF it is true - it was not fair...

Also, the Mindgeek company who owns PornHub bought or get ownership over many big production companies, advertiser companies, and several platforms, ect.. and now - life gives them back a little from these unfair things...

2 week ago more than 10 million videos were available on PornHub. Today, now it is around 3 million, it means 8 MILLION videos were removed in the past days... Mindgeek company has too much power over the paysites, production companies, and other members, so this current limitation by card issuers is definitely good for all other parties...

By the time, its sure PH will solve all their problems what they currently have..., but maybe they get some attention - to not do anything with the other small members of this adult industry...

We all must do something to let the adult industry being live now and forever, and remain profitable for the real content creators/distributors.

Personally me I dont like the way to upload full-length movies to PH and other's PREMIUM platforms - to allow them to sell it, and pay some small commission for US for the movies what WE made.... Its not good. Let the Paysites, let the creator companies earn the real money, and just a small part of the amount must to remain on the tube owners...

What do you think guys ?

[shake]

Totally true about Visa/MC being biggest money whores.. if it was a smaller site they would have pulled billing in about 5 seconds, instead they are getting time to clean up their act.

[NALEM]

Istvan, I remember you. We talked briefly when I was in Mexico, and you in Magyarorszag.
How is the foot fetish site coming along? I hope COVID didn't interfere with your mainstream business. Stay safe and healthy.

[IstvanXXX]

Originally Posted by NALEM

Istvan, I remember you. We talked briefly when I was in Mexico, and you in Magyarorszag.
How is the foot fetish site coming along? I hope COVID didn't interfere with your mainstream business. Stay safe and healthy.

Hello ! I am fine thanks. Also remember for you.
Hope you are okay too.
Drop me a message on skype or email when you have time - these are the same like several years ago...

[lezinterracial]

sorry man, you have to break it down to a meme for us to understand.




Now, all we have to worry about is
redtube, xvideos, xhamster, spankbang, youporn and about a 1000 others.

[PorcoRosso]

Originally Posted by cordoba

I don't think anyone is crying for Pornhub. I think we're scared for the future of the industry when a handful of Twitter crazies, who state time and time again that they want all porn banned, can successfully cajole the NYT into publishing an op-ed to successfully cajole Mastercard and Visa to pull the plug on a behemoth like Mindgeek almost overnight.

If you think these fanatics are now going to sit back and let the adult industry boom in the absence of Pornhub, you haven't been paying attention.

Good thinking. It's clearly worrisome.
But we'll be stronger in fighting the politically correct and protecting our freedom of speech when our products will be cleaner and not so easily attackable for obvious misdeeds.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by PorcoRosso

Good thinking. It's clearly worrisome.
But we'll be stronger in fighting the politically correct and protecting our freedom of speech when our products will be cleaner and not so easily attackable for obvious misdeeds.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Right? I'd expect far more Christian like attitude on a porn forum.

Let it rip!

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by cordoba

If you think these fanatics are now going to sit back and let the adult industry boom in the absence of Pornhub, you haven't been paying attention.

This is why the left is very dangerous. Virtue signaling is all about outdoing one another. The author of that NYtimes op-ed may be the king of the virtue signaling shitlib hill now, but he must and will be overthrown by the next virtue signaling attack. It won't stop here. Wait till they go after the banks.

[King Mark]

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

This is why the left is very dangerous. Virtue signaling is all about outdoing one another. The author of that NYtimes op-ed may be the king of the virtue signaling shitlib hill now, but he must and will be overthrown by the next virtue signaling attack. It won't stop here. Wait till they go after the banks.

I know you blame everything on the evil, boogeyman "the left" that you've made up in your mind, but you do realize that the author can at best just be described as lazy, right? His "information" was given to him by the same far-right, religious nut group that's been trying to attack our industry for at least the 16 years I've been involved with it.

Originally Posted by cordoba

I don't think anyone is crying for Pornhub. I think we're scared for the future of the industry when a handful of Twitter crazies, who state time and time again that they want all porn banned, can successfully cajole the NYT into publishing an op-ed to successfully cajole Mastercard and Visa to pull the plug on a behemoth like Mindgeek almost overnight.

If you think these fanatics are now going to sit back and let the adult industry boom in the absence of Pornhub, you haven't been paying attention.

What you just said is very accurate! Even tho I shoot content and have for many years, I love seeing the amateur stuff. I am not a huge fan of produced content, I'd rather see amateur stuff. Most of my good favorite videos are gone, not just from PH but X as well, ugh

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

This is why the left is very dangerous. Virtue signaling is all about outdoing one another. The author of that NYtimes op-ed may be the king of the virtue signaling shitlib hill now, but he must and will be overthrown by the next virtue signaling attack. It won't stop here. Wait till they go after the banks.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside...war-on-pornhub

As a veteran of the industry, I'm frankly surprised you're so dense as to blame it on your fairy tale boogeyman rather than the actual group behind it all. I guess ideology clouds judgement, though.

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by webguy

I love seeing the amateur stuff. I am not a huge fan of produced content, I'd rather see amateur stuff. Most of my good favorite videos are gone, not just from PH but X as well, ugh

Same... but theres other places like reddit, snapchat, OF, etc

[pornguy]

When the tubes first started a long time ago and I had to send daily DMCA's I also tried to get Google to delist the videos that were mine. They did not and would not. In fact as the videos were re uploaded Google just linked to those as well and much faster than any other site.

A legit small tube could not get any rankings but the ones filled with stolen content did and Google knew about it. They allowed it and perpetuated it. they could have removed the tubes at the start and ended a lot of the issues.

But why would they do that. they were getting paid.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by pornguy

When the tubes first started a long time ago and I had to send daily DMCA's I also tried to get Google to delist the videos that were mine. They did not and would not. In fact as the videos were re uploaded Google just linked to those as well and much faster than any other site.

A legit small tube could not get any rankings but the ones filled with stolen content did and Google knew about it. They allowed it and perpetuated it. they could have removed the tubes at the start and ended a lot of the issues.

But why would they do that. they were getting paid.

How would I know that someone who demonstrates a lack of understanding of how the internet works would have paysites in their sig with no traffic and designs from 1996? That was pretty predictable.

Ya'll are wild with blaming everyone else for the fact that you suck at this business.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

This is why the left is very dangerous. Virtue signaling is all about outdoing one another. The author of that NYtimes op-ed may be the king of the virtue signaling shitlib hill now, but he must and will be overthrown by the next virtue signaling attack. It won't stop here. Wait till they go after the banks.

it's a far-right religious fundamentalist organization that is behind all this. Please try to wrap your head around that. It wasn't the left that did this -- it was a far right religious group.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by trevesty

I know you blame everything on the evil, boogeyman "the left" that you've made up in your mind, but you do realize that the author can at best just be described as lazy, right? His "information" was given to him by the same far-right, religious nut group that's been trying to attack our industry for at least the 16 years I've been involved with it.

The porn industry has been "under attack" for the 55 years I've been involved with it and look how successful they were.

Many years ago I started a poll asking if you wanted a regulated industry or an unregulated industry. The result was overwhelming for an unregulated industry. Well, now you seem to want a regulated industry because no regulations caused the rise of Tubes and the loss of billions.

[NALEM]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The porn industry has been "under attack" for the 55 years I've been involved with it and look how successful they were.

Many years ago I started a poll asking if you wanted a regulated industry or an unregulated industry. The result was overwhelming for an unregulated industry. Well, now you seem to want a regulated industry because no regulations caused the rise of Tubes and the loss of billions.

Well said. There is absolutely nothing wrong with regulations, especially if the industry could show responsibility and independently (as a collective body) self regulate.