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DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 10:46 PM

Users of online porn sites will have to upload their ID to prove they are over 18 under new Ofcom guidance

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-guidance.html

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Porn websites will have to ensure users are over 18 by checking their ID, asking their bank or mobile providers to vouch for them or using technology that can estimate their age from images.

The watchdog Ofcom has today set out guidance on how it expects adult websites to protect young people from sexually explicit content under the Online Safety Act.

On average, children are aged just 13 when they first encounter hardcore porn online. The watchdog said it would not accept 'weaker' age checks, such as allowing users to self-declare their age or simply add disclaimers or warnings to sexually explicit material.

A survey found the majority of Britons are supportive of introducing tougher measures – but half said they were worried about handing over their personal and private information.

Ofcom said all age assurance methods were subject to the UK's privacy laws and were overseen by the Information Commissioner's Office. Hardcore porn can easily be accessed with just a click of a button, with research finding the violent imagery leads teenagers to believe strangling and slapping is a normal part of sex.

By 2025, adult sites and apps would be required to keep written records explaining how they are protecting children from accessing porn – or face a hefty fine of up to 10 per cent of their global turnover.

The regulator said it expected porn sites to 'work with us' and listed potential 'age-assurance' measures it believes would be 'highly effective'.

These include users asking their bank or mobile phone provider to confirm they are an adult, sharing their passport or driving licence with the website, or uploading a picture to a company that uses the latest facial analysis technology to estimate a person's age without identifying the individual – to confirm they are the age they claim.

Dame Melanie Dawes, Ofcom's chief executive, said: 'Pornography is too readily accessible to children online, and the new online safety laws are clear that must change. Our practical guidance sets out a range of methods for highly effective age checks.

'We're clear that weaker methods – such as allowing users to self-declare their age – won't meet this standard.

'Regardless of their approach, we expect all services to offer robust protection to children from stumbling across pornography, and also to take care that privacy rights and freedoms for adults to access legal content are safeguarded'.

Research by Ofcom last year found 87 per cent of women and 77 per cent of men were broadly supportive of age assurance on online pornographic sites as a means of protecting children.

But among adults who have previously viewed online porn, their biggest concerns about proving their age to access the content are around data protection (52 per cent) and sharing personal information (42 per cent).

However, a report by the Institute for Economic Affairs claimed age verification for pornography threatens user privacy.

It warned: 'Internet regulation targeted at adult content risks undermining foundational internet principles like free speech, privacy and innovation.

'Overregulation risks pushing users to less controlled and secure environments.

'A more collaborative approach involving governments, industry, civil society and technical experts is needed to clamp down on illicit activity while protecting internet freedom.'

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 10:50 PM

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre...cting-children

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Children are set to be protected from accessing online pornography under new age-check guidance proposed by Ofcom today to help services to comply with online safety laws.

Latest research[1] shows that the average age at which children first see online pornography is 13 – although nearly a quarter come across it by age 11 (27%), and one in ten as young as 9 (10%). Additionally, nearly 8 in 10 youngsters (79%) have encountered violent pornography depicting coercive, degrading or pain-inducing sex acts before turning 18.

Under the Online Safety Act, sites and apps that display or publish pornographic content[2] must ensure that children are not normally able to encounter pornography on their service.

To do this, they must introduce 'age assurance' – through age verification, age estimation or a combination of both – which is ‘highly effective’ at correctly determining whether a user is a child or not. Effective access controls should prevent children from encountering pornographic content on that service.

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 10:52 PM

Consultation: Guidance for service providers publishing pornographic content

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultatio...raphic-content

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This is the second of four major consultations that Ofcom, as the appointed online safety regulator, will publish as part of our work to establish the new regulations under the Online Safety Act (2023).

Currently, services publishing pornographic content online do not have sufficient measures in place to prevent children from accessing this content. Many grant children access to pornographic content without age checks, or by relying on checks that only require the user to confirm that they are over the age of 18.

The Online Safety Act is clear that service providers publishing pornographic content online must implement age assurance which is highly effective at correctly determining whether or not a user is a child to prevent children from normally encountering their online pornographic content.

This consultation focuses on our draft guidance to assist providers of online services that publish or display regulated provider pornographic content in complying with their age assurance and record-keeping duties under the Act.

Alongside the consultation, we have published draft guidance (PDF, 706.1 KB) on age assurance and other Part 5 duties for service providers publishing pornographic content on online services (Annex 2).

We have also published a simple explainer of the Part 5 duties and draft guidance.

How to respond
To respond to the proposals in our consultation, please complete the consultation response form (ODT, 100.2 KB) and submit it to [email protected]. Please include any supporting information or evidence with your response.

The deadline for responses is 5pm on Tuesday 5 March 2024.

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 10:57 PM

Guidance on age assurance and other Part 5 duties for service providers publishing pornographic content on online services

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...5-annexe-2.pdf

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1. Overview
What this guidance covers
This guidance is for service providers that display or publish pornographic content on their
online services to help them comply with their regulatory duties under the Online Safety Act
2023 (‘the Act’). These duties include a requirement for service providers to implement age
assurance to ensure that children are not normally able to encounter pornographic content
displayed or published on their service. 1, 2
This document gives guidance on:
• assessing whether a service is in scope of the Part 5 duties;
• examples of kinds of age verification and age estimation that may be suitable for the
purposes of compliance, and criteria that service providers should fulfil to ensure the age
assurance implemented is highly effective at correctly determining whether or not a
particular user is a child;
• how service providers can keep a written record and produce a publicly available
statement setting out how they have complied with their duties, including how providers
may have regard to the importance of protecting users from breaches of privacy law in
their written record; and
• the principles that we will normally apply when determining whether a service provider
has complied with its duties and where we are likely to consider that it has not complied.
A summary of the duties and recommendations covered in this guidance is set out on the
next page.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...5-annexe-2.pdf

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:02 PM

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Pornographic content might include any content which would fall under the British Board of Film Classification’s (BBFC) R18 category, which is “primarily for explicit works of consenting sex or strong fetish material involving adults.” 5 However, other content of a strong sexual nature that seeks to sexually arouse or stimulate, that would not fall in scope of this classification, may also be treated as pornographic.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...5-annexe-2.pdf

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:03 PM

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The definition of regulated provider pornographic content encompasses content in a range of forms, including still and moving images, audio and audio-visual content. This might include, for instance, a livestream or explicit photos of sexual activity.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...5-annexe-2.pdf

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:09 PM

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We are likely to consider a service provider to have exercised control over the pornographic content appearing on its service where it exercises editorial control over the nature, selection or presentation of the content. For example, where a service provider has designed and provided interactive games featuring pornographic imagery on its service, we might consider that this content has been published or displayed by the provider. Similarly, where a service provider is responsible for live-streaming pornographic video content on its service, this would also be an example of where we would likely consider the provider to be subject to Part 5.

There may be instances where online services include some pornographic content which falls in scope of Part 3 and some pornographic content which falls in scope of Part 5. For example, while tube sites are often predominantly user-to-user services (i.e., predominantly comprised of user-generated pornographic content), a provider of a tube site may itself make some pornographic content available on that site.

15 Where a provider of such a service (which otherwise predominantly comprises user-generated content) publishes or displays pornographic content on its site, or someone else does so on its behalf, that pornographic content will be within scope of the Part 5 duties, unless otherwise exempt, for instance if that part of the service is an on-demand programme service, as explained in paragraph 3.16 below.

3.14 As set out in paragraph 3.11 above, pornographic content will also be treated as published or displayed on a service when it is generated on the service by means of an automated tool available in the service, such as a generative artificial intelligence tool (GenAI) or an algorithm in response to a prompt by a user. In this case, the provider of the relevant internet service is the entity or person with control of, and making available, the tool or algorithm in question.16

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...5-annexe-2.pdf

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:14 PM

Kinds of age assurance that could be highly effective

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4.15 Open banking. This works by accessing the information a bank has on record regarding a
user’s age, with the user’s consent. Confirmation of whether or not the user is over 18 is
shared with the relying party.
24 The user’s date of birth is not shared with the relying party,
nor is any other information.
4.16 Photo-identification (photo-ID) matching. This works by capturing relevant information
from an uploaded photo-ID document and comparing it to an image of the user at the point
of ID upload to verify that they are the same person.

4.17 Facial age estimation. This works by analysing the features of a user’s face to estimate their
age.
4.18 Mobile-network operator (MNO) age checks. Each of the UK’s MNOs have agreed to a code
of practice whereby a content restriction filter (CRF), which prevents children from accessing
age-restricted websites over mobile internet, is automatically applied on pay-as-you-go and
contract SIMs. Users can remove the CRF by proving they are an adult.25 MNO age checks
rely on checking whether the CRF on a user’s mobile phone has been removed. If the CRF
has been removed, this indicates that the recorded user of the device is over 18.
Confirmation of whether or not the recorded user is over 18, based on the status of the CRF,
is shared with the relying party.

4.19 Credit card checks. In the UK, you must be 18 or over to obtain a credit card, therefore,
credit card issuers are obliged to verify the age of applicants before providing them with a
credit card. Credit-card based age checks work by asking a user to input their credit card
details, after which a payment processor sends a request to check the card is valid by the
issuing bank. Approval by the issuing bank can be taken as evidence that the user is over
18.26

4.20 Digital identity wallets. Digital identity wallets enable users to verify and securely store their
attributes, such as age, in a digital format. This verification may take place using a variety of
methods, including those listed above. Once their identity or an attribute of their identity
has been verified and stored in the wallet, a user may choose to share individual attributes,
such as their age, or their status as an adult, with a relying party.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...5-annexe-2.pdf

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:22 PM

Online Safety Act 2023

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga...0230050_en.pdf

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:27 PM

Quick guide to rules about online pornography

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safe...ne-pornography

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Quick guide to rules about online pornography

05 December 2023

The Online Safety Act has introduced new rules that services must follow to prevent children (under-18s) from being able to access pornography.

If you or your business has an online service that hosts pornographic content, you will need to estimate or verify your users' ages so that children cannot view it.

Ofcom's draft guidance (PDF, 706.1 KB) explains how you can effectively assure the ages of your users. The rest of this page explains what we’ve proposed – and what you can do now.

We are consulting on our guidance, so this information could change
This page:

summarises proposals we’re consulting on – we will update it when our final guidance is in place.
is only meant to introduce your online safety duties – our final guidance will set out in full how you can meet your legal responsibilities.
If your service provides pornography, you need to make sure children can't access it
These rules apply if you publish or show pornography on your own service (or if someone does this on your behalf). The Act refers to this as 'provider pornographic content'.

'Pornographic content' could be a video, an image or some audio – but not text.

If you have pornographic content on your service, you must make sure that children cannot normally encounter it. You should verify or estimate each user’s age to find out whether or not they are a child. If they are, you should restrict their access to this sort of content.

You must also keep a written, easy-to-understand record to show:

what you’ve done to prevent children from being able to access pornography on your service; and
how you have considered your users’ privacy when taking these steps.
You must summarise these measures in a public statement.

Finally, you should try to stop children getting around whatever access controls or age assurance measures you have in place.

Find out what else you'll need to do to protect children

Decide what age assurance method is best for your service
We don’t recommend any specific tool or technology in our draft guidance, because we know the technology in this area is still developing. You can use whatever solution is best for your service, as long as it prevents children from being able to access pornography.

But to help you, our draft guidance provides a few examples of age assurance measures that could be considered highly effective – and a few that could be ineffective.

Use our four criteria
We propose that, for your method to be highly effective, it must be:

technically accurate;
robust;
reliable; and
fair.
Here are some practical steps you can take to make sure your method meets all four criteria:

Accurate
Robust
Reliable
Fair
Accurate
Your method should be accurate at telling a user's age under lab test conditions.

Think about taking a 'challenge age' approach to age assurance.
Make sure it's accessible
Remember that, as well as being highly effective, your method should be easy for everyone to use. This will also help you make sure that adult users can still access legal pornography.

Remember users’ right to privacy
Whatever method you choose, consider the importance of protecting users’ data and privacy.

We’ve worked closely with the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) on our draft guidance, which gives examples of how you can:

keep data protection records up to date; and
protect your users from a breach of privacy law.
What you can do now
Have your say on our proposals
We’re consulting on our proposals for providers of services that display or publish pornographic content (the guidance we’ve summarised on this page). This is covered under Part 5 of the Online Safety Act.

You can have your say before the consultation closes on 5 March 2024.

We’re also consulting on our proposals for how internet services that enable the sharing of user-generated content ('user-to-user services') and search services should approach their new duties relating to illegal content. This consultation is also relevant for services that show pornography as they may also need to put in place measures to address the risk of illegal content.

You can have your say before the consultation closes on 23 February 2024.

Finally, in Spring 2024 we’ll consult on our draft guidance to help user-to-user and search services meet their children’s safety duties. These include the duty to use highly effective age assurance to prevent children from encountering pornographic content. This is covered under Part 3 of the Act.

Make someone responsible for getting ready
Make sure someone in your business is responsible for:

understanding your new online safety duties;
reading our guidance;
looking at what technology is available; and
deciding what sort of age assurance method is best for you.
Subscribe to updates from us
Subscribe to email updates to get the latest information about how we regulate. This includes any important changes to what you need to do. You'll also be the first to know about our new publications and research.

Read our regulatory approach and timelines
We’ve set out how Ofcom will implement the Online Safety Act. We will implement the new rules in three phases (check the timings below):

The illegal harms duties will come into force from around the end of 2024.
Children’s safety duties will come into force by Summer 2025.
Additional duties for categorised services will come into force around the end of 2025.

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:32 PM

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safe...ne-pornography

DVTimes · 12-04-2023, 11:38 PM

i suspect other countries will copy this, and it will be the end of porn by 2025.

So onlyfans models and webcam models will be stuffed.

It is probably going to kill off most affiliates, as they will probably have to age verify for such as blogs.

It was fun while it lasted.

DVTimes · 12-05-2023, 12:14 AM

If your a slimy turd, then set up an age verification business.

Then spam the forums telling us how wonderful your service is.

No doubt you will find some slimy porn site that you can sponsor and in turn for getting money from you they will post that age verification is a great thing.

It will be amusing to see what slime will use this as an opportunity to make money by stabbing everyone in porn in the back whore pretending they are helping us.

If any site advertises any age verification firm, then shame on them.

Tasty1 · 12-05-2023, 01:42 AM

Europe is working on a digital ID.

In The Netherlands some parties want to get rid of privacy. Everyone should only be able to login on the internet or social media when they are identified. D66 and VVD are two parties who supported that. And altough a majority didn't want it in The Netherlands, the Eurofile parties D66 and VVD and some left parties agreed anyway. So now they can fingerpoint to the EU when your privacy is gone and the EU will take "care" of your privacy..

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D66 and VVD form one party with some other center left EU parties, RenewEurope. Once you have the Digital Identity, it is simple to forbid anonymous internet. And make it easy to check the age of people that are allowed to see pornsites. At this moment the Dutch government didn't have their own plans for age verification., they pushed it to an EU solution. Mostly left parties and center left (VVD / D66) are for an digital online ID. And they stilll have a majority now. PVV was against this. But it is too late.

February 2023: "The House of Representatives did not want it, but the Cabinet agreed to it anyway and as it now appears, there is no way back: the European digital ID will be introduced and the House of Representatives no longer has the means to approve or reject the end result.."

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Cabinet refuses to implement motion on European digital identity
Monday, December 5, 2022, 4:23 PM by Editors
The cabinet refuses to implement a motion on the European digital identity that was adopted by a majority in the House of Representatives. The motion requested the government not to agree to the Council conclusion on the European digital identity, because previous concerns of the House of Representatives, such as about the storage of data and reliable technologies, have not been sufficiently addressed.

State Secretary Van Huffelen of Digital Affairs does not believe it is necessary to respond to the motion, because the Netherlands would then be sidelined in the remainder of the negotiations, she claims. During the negotiations, the Netherlands was unable to settle a number of matters regarding the European digital identity that the government indicated it wanted to do. This concerns matters such as the mandatory use of open source for wallet apps and an explicit ban on trading users' data.

Last year, the European Commission presented plans for the introduction of a digital identity with which citizens can identify themselves throughout the European Union. Citizens must be able to identify themselves and share electronic documents from a special wallet app for smartphones. Major platforms will be required to accept the new European digital identity.

cordoba · 12-05-2023, 03:06 AM

Amazing this generation that is the most ethical and progressive in history and that has embraced LBGTQ+ rights, climate change activism, BLM, fat acceptance etc etc, are also the generation that has supposedly been completely warped by exposure to porn tubes.

I know this is being done under a Conservative party in the UK, but they are 'progressive' almost as much as the opposition these days, and this legislation is backed by all parties in equal measure.

DVTimes · 12-05-2023, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cordoba

Amazing this generation that is the most ethical and progressive in history and that has embraced LBGTQ+ rights, climate change activism, BLM, fat acceptance etc etc, are also the generation that has supposedly been completely warped by exposure to porn tubes.

I know this is being done under a Conservative party in the UK, but they are 'progressive' almost as much as the opposition these days, and this legislation is backed by all parties in equal measure.

One thought is that it is set for 2025.

It is probable that in the UK we have an election in 2024 and at the moment the stats show Labour should win.

So part of me wonders if they plan for this to happen under a Labour government and it annoys people that Labour is seen to be bringing in censorship and so become unpopular and the Conservatives get back in again.

DVTimes · 12-05-2023, 03:26 AM

Many countries including the USA in some states seem to be moving to age verification.

The public are unlikely to bother, and so sales will drop.

I suspect this is the end for porn online.

What we will see presumably is people pirating porn on such as memory cards and so on.

Traffic to pay porn sites will decrease a lot as blogs and tubes will probably close as they will not have age verification on them.

Criminals will make a fortune by setting up fake age verification sites and getting peoples bank details.

DVTimes · 12-05-2023, 03:28 AM

I would suggest that dvd sales of porn may be the way to go, but I wonder if many have dvd players these days.

MaDalton · 12-05-2023, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

i suspect other countries will copy this, and it will be the end of porn by 2025.

So onlyfans models and webcam models will be stuffed.

It is probably going to kill off most affiliates, as they will probably have to age verify for such as blogs.

It was fun while it lasted.

Germany has this for 20 years already.

Also there is no reason why you get carded when you buy a beer but online porn is the only age restricted product which is freely available.

And if age verification would have existed from the beginning, free tubes would not have killed most peoples business.

MaDalton · 12-05-2023, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

I would suggest that dvd sales of porn may be the way to go, but I wonder if many have dvd players these days.

Do you realize what you are saying?

Try buying a porn DVD as a 12 year old...

Same 12 year old who can easily go to any tube site and watch the nastiest shit out there.

cordoba · 12-05-2023, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

Criminals will make a fortune by setting up fake age verification sites and getting peoples bank details.

Yeah, I was reading the other day about Booking.com customers being subjected to sophisticated scams. The verification system will have to be so advanced and hi-tech to avoid this that you can forget about ordinary affiliates being able to implement it, and it will likely be expensive and difficult for most paysites. There will also be the possibility of blackmail, especially for those living in places such as China or many Muslim countries where viewing porn can land you in trouble.

https://news.sky.com/story/booking-c...k-web-13018816

SpicyM · 12-05-2023, 07:51 AM

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i suspect other countries will copy this, and it will be the end of porn by 2025.

No, it may be the new beginning of online porn. I wish this was adopted across the whole EU in the same way, with fines and site blocking in case of non-compliance. If there is no blocking and other measures to enforce this on non-EU site owners, then piracy sites hosted in shitholes will be advantaged.

SpicyM · 12-05-2023, 08:18 AM

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Last year, the European Commission presented plans for the introduction of a digital identity with which citizens can identify themselves throughout the European Union. Citizens must be able to identify themselves and share electronic documents from a special wallet app for smartphones. Major platforms will be required to accept the new European digital identity.

Sounds great. What's not to like? It improves privacy protection, makes online verification easier, safer and faster. This is much better than other stupid things that EU came up with, like the annoying cookie notices.

DVTimes · 12-07-2023, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

Do you realize what you are saying?

Try buying a porn DVD as a 12 year old...

Same 12 year old who can easily go to any tube site and watch the nastiest shit out there.

I do not understand your statement.

I was saying if they bring in age verification, then one thing may be to sell your content on DVD.

However I suspect people no longer have DVD players, so no point doing that.

Plus people want instant and not days to deliver.

ruff · 12-07-2023, 07:57 PM

There is no way this kind of thing can be enforced, so fuck them.

It's the parent's job to raise their kids, not the government. This kind of shit pops up every few years. In the US, it's shut down by the 1st amendment of our constitution.

Tasty1 · 12-07-2023, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

Germany has this for 20 years already.

Also there is no reason why you get carded when you buy a beer but online porn is the only age restricted product which is freely available.

And if age verification would have existed from the beginning, free tubes would not have killed most peoples business.

Too bad for affiliate webmasters with a blog etcetra. Those business could be killed now.
Although i haven't had any problems in Germany promoting sites.

But we all know, next corona madness and they will use it again to see if you are vaccinated.
And for many many other things we don't know yet.

Tasty1 · 12-07-2023, 09:02 PM

Just move away from the EU and put your servers somewhere else.
Will cost them another 10 years to tackle that.
By than everybody pays with coins.

Could work out wel the age system, or work against (some of) us.
We will know in a few years.

DVTimes · 12-08-2023, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

Just move away from the EU and put your servers somewhere else.
Will cost them another 10 years to tackle that.
By than everybody pays with coins.

Could work out wel the age system, or work against (some of) us.
We will know in a few years.

The problem is bigger than you think.

First many many many models rely on onlyfans and other sites like onlyfans. One suspects they will find earnings drop huge, as fans will not want to upload id or even have id.

The same goes for webcam models.

Then because the rules have included so much as porn, that patron people will also have problems who do porn cartoons and so on.

Because it includes just chat as porn, it may mean some podcasts or even YouTube channels will have problems.

A few years ago they had ATVOD in the UK, to try to control all vid on UK sites. They made up new rules all the time. I say this because if you think the new UK laws are ok, then give it time as they will get worse.

It will be interesting with such as twitter as they may be forced to remove porn. Last time they allowed twitter to get away with it by saying sites with less than a certain percentage of porn would not be included.

DVTimes · 12-08-2023, 05:05 AM

If you run a pornsite, how do you plan on promoting it, as you may find blogs and tubes may have problems.

I also predict such as google will be encouraged to not rank pornsites.

DVTimes · 12-08-2023, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

Too bad for affiliate webmasters with a blog etcetra. Those business could be killed now.
Although i haven't had any problems in Germany promoting sites.

But we all know, next corona madness and they will use it again to see if you are vaccinated.
And for many many other things we don't know yet.

The UK will not be a pushover, and they will go after people.

MaDalton · 12-08-2023, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

Too bad for affiliate webmasters with a blog etcetra. Those business could be killed now.
Although i haven't had any problems in Germany promoting sites.

no one forces you to run a promo by using hardcore pics, topless was always allowed without age verification

pornmasta · 12-08-2023, 10:59 AM

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We are asking private data that can be stolen for safety...
Think of the children

Tasty1 · 12-08-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

no one forces you to run a promo by using hardcore pics, topless was always allowed without age verification

Yes, that is what i did

I don't have that much problems with that. Don't give everything for free in the start is also a good thing.
Therefor i also think the Tubes could have more problems, what could turn out well.
But in the end, the clients must register somewhere before you make money.
But you want them to pay, so they must register somehow anyway... till everyone start using coins.

I closed all my free adult classified sites. Too much troubles coming.

Tasty1 · 12-08-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

The problem is bigger than you think.

First many many many models rely on onlyfans and other sites like onlyfans. One suspects they will find earnings drop huge, as fans will not want to upload id or even have id.

The same goes for webcam models.

Then because the rules have included so much as porn, that patron people will also have problems who do porn cartoons and so on.

Because it includes just chat as porn, it may mean some podcasts or even YouTube channels will have problems.

A few years ago they had ATVOD in the UK, to try to control all vid on UK sites. They made up new rules all the time. I say this because if you think the new UK laws are ok, then give it time as they will get worse.

It will be interesting with such as twitter as they may be forced to remove porn. Last time they allowed twitter to get away with it by saying sites with less than a certain percentage of porn would not be included.

The system in the EU will work like the Corona vaccine card.
They don't get the personal data, but can confirm your age.
The UK ideas are worse.

And as we know, they will use it for many more things.
A few clicks and they will use it so you can't login anonymous on social media.
Will use it to stop entrance to bars when not vaccinated.
And we know they will have 1 big database and on the background follow you (cause of terror / CP they will say).
Europe will become China 2.0

pornmasta · 12-08-2023, 11:22 AM

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https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safe...ne-pornography

yeah lets protect girls.

Little boys can just die...

Feminism is when She-author Duras promoted the killing of little children...

pornmasta · 12-08-2023, 11:27 AM

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Europe is working on a digital ID.

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I had to pass a digital Id verification and it didn't work.
System didn't work on the mobile phone, then i wanted to emulate a webcam on my computer because i don't have any webcam that is installed on the computer and it didn't work either.

Also why should users be mistrusted, while online services run by whoever should be trusted, "Just Because" ?
Do they care about safety ?
Can this system be easily bypassed (i think yes) ?

Markul · 12-08-2023, 01:19 PM

Yawn. Every single year we hear about this. Never happens.

Tasty1 · 12-08-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

I had to pass a digital Id verification and it didn't work.
System didn't work on the mobile phone, then i wanted to emulate a webcam on my computer because i don't have any webcam that is installed on the computer and it didn't work either.

Also why should users be mistrusted, while online services run by whoever should be trusted, "Just Because" ?
Do they care about safety ?
Can this system be easily bypassed (i think yes) ?

They are still working on the EU digital ID.
Local governments, in Holland at least, have nothing to say about it anymore.
Expect it in 2025.

I don't think they care much about problems in the adult industry.

https://commission.europa.eu/strateg...al-identity_en

They will create some government services that everyone needs, so people have to register.

It is China 2.0 I don't know how it work out. But the experiences show, big change it won't work out well for adult.
They probably use Adult and CP to say it is needed to protect the kids.

From the site:

The EU Digital Identity can be used for any number of cases, for example:

- public services such as requesting birth certificates, medical certificates, reporting a change of address
- opening a bank account
- filing tax returns
- applying for a university, at home or in another Member State
- storing a medical prescription that can be used anywhere in Europe
- proving your age
- renting a car using a digital driving licence
- checking in to a hotel

MaDalton · 12-08-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

The system in the EU will work like the Corona vaccine card.
They don't get the personal data, but can confirm your age.
The UK ideas are worse.

And as we know, they will use it for many more things.
A few clicks and they will use it so you can't login anonymous on social media.
Will use it to stop entrance to bars when not vaccinated.
And we know they will have 1 big database and on the background follow you (cause of terror / CP they will say).
Europe will become China 2.0

cant you keep your political bullshit out of this discussion?

after all you call yourself "moderator"

I already avoid the psycho forum, why do I have to read your shit here?

Tasty1 · 12-08-2023, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

cant you keep your political bullshit out of this discussion?

after all you call yourself "moderator"

I already avoid the psycho forum, why do I have to read your shit here?

Destroying privacy isn't important for some people.
But most want privacy. For sure the consumer wants it.

It is a 100% political subject. They decide.
And in Holland ignored the wish of people/ majority of politicians.
That means, you can't trust how their intentions will work out for adult.

I don't think i posted so much political in this subject.

And what is a better example than the vaccine passport?
That accelerated the whole thing and works the same.
And everyone knows how that systems worked and was set up technical.
Now it is not vaccine status, but age. And what's next?

#neverforget

SpicyM · 12-08-2023, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

It is China 2.0

You look like the typical conspiracy theorist (= dumbass). GDPR and The European Convention on Human Rights are two things that that protect us from becoming "China 2.0".

I don't see any mention about the EU Digital ID being mandatory for everyone, but I wish it was mandatory on all platforms and social networks - it would drastically improve the law enforcement and clean up the internet from kids, criminals, terrorists and idiots like you.

I don't care about some leeches with adult blogs - they don't create any content, they only use the content of porn producers to earn money. Producers are those that create the product, the value, the core of the industry. Producers don't need some cheap shitstains with spam blogs and tubes.

Tasty1 · 12-08-2023, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

You look like the typical conspiracy theorist (= dumbass). GDPR and The European Convention on Human Rights are two things that that protect us from becoming "China 2.0".

I don't see any mention about the EU Digital ID being mandatory for everyone, but I wish it was mandatory on all platforms and social networks - it would drastically improve the law enforcement and clean up the internet from kids, criminals, terrorists and idiots like you.

I don't care about some leeches with adult blogs - they don't create any content, they only use the content of porn producers to earn money. Producers are those that create the product, the value, the core of the industry. Producers don't need some cheap shitstains with spam blogs and tubes.

That is what the plans are that some political parties want from 2025.
They want to make it mandatory to login on social media with a European digital ID or even connect to the internet. Maybe you miss some vision.

Criminals uses encrypted technology and (mostly) not social media messaging.
In Europe the police was able to get the hands on those servers and where able to arrest a lot of criminals and solve organized crime.
I think the governments sent more money to terrorist groups like Hamas. Thinking it was a "good cause" they sent money to.

Also it is for police already possible to get all information and messages from Twitter and facebook. Nobody is anonymous, or you must try hard. For small cases they won't start that proces. Telegram got more popular, and not only by criminals. And you can trace that also. Burner phones are still the way to go for criminals.

About the kids, i had contact with police several times about CP. Police did many times nothing. I helped police get the hand on some pedo's and human traffickers though when a good policeman came to me for information. One of the famous ones that abused a lot of women and fled to Turkey. I saw my sites in the case file. I connected all the data and ip's to several mail addresses for him and he was happy i was able to do that.

Producers are replaced by creators. Every creator can make their own videos with their camera and create value without overhead of some producers. Editors can be replaced by AI. And soon many producers also. Even models can be replaced. And producers are not the the only core anymore, the content is given away and many people make more money promoting cams and community sites than video sites.

Adult classifieds, dating sites, webcams, escort sites and communities are also an important part of the industry and let people create their own content. No need for producers there, you are a part of the industry. A part that is getting smaller. And sites like The Hun are just a leeches? Pull the links!

If you read what i posted you see that everyone needs an ID to be able to use some basic government services that everyone needs.

The Porn Nerd · 12-08-2023, 06:01 PM

Political parties, big corporations, they ALL want control, money, power....doesn't mean they can always get it, or easily.

Anything 'digital' can be hacked. Remember that. So ultimately useless PR CYA bullshit.

Cheers.

SpicyM · 12-08-2023, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasty1

Producers are replaced by creators.Every creator can make their own videos with their camera and create value without overhead of some producers. Editors can be replaced by AI. And soon many producers also.

No they aren't. Porn producers can themselves be the creators. A producer is someone that produces content, it could be the solo model that films herself, it can be an independent content shooter hiring models for his own films, or the person that just manages the whole filming process according to his requirements.

You clearly don't see the logic of why people pay for porn. It doesn't surprise me as you are just the untalented leech I was referring to. It's not just paying for "porn", it's paying for the added value that makes the particular content different to what other creators make. If people wanted to buy cars just for transportation, they wouldn't be buying Ferrari or Maserati.

I will produce anything I want no matter what - how could you (or anyone else) stop me?

I have my own style, my own ideas and nobody can replace me, cause that's my hobby, my talent, my works, my art. On the other hand, AI generated shit is fake, can't be copyrighted and will be regulated. AI has no talent and can't make art, since art is the result of human creative skills.

Your babbling at the end of 2023 about OF models replacing porn producers reminds me the GFY "visionaries" (the leeches) from 2017/2018 "predicting" an apocalypse of porn production caused by OF models replacing us... well, it's almost 2024 and guess what? DID-NOT-HAPPEN.

Now the same "visionaries" claim that AI is going to replace not only producers, which were originally supposed to be finished in a year or two due to OF models, but also those OF models...

The rest of your post is just bullshit I don't care about.

Tasty1 · 12-08-2023, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM

No they aren't. Porn producers can themselves be the creators. A producer is someone that produces content, it could be the solo model that films herself, it can be an independent content shooter hiring models for his own films, or the person that just manages the whole filming process according to his requirements.

You clearly don't see the logic of why people pay for porn. It doesn't surprise me as you are just the untalented leech I was referring to. It's not just paying for "porn", it's paying for the added value that makes the particular content different to what other creators make. If people wanted to buy cars just for transportation, they wouldn't be buying Ferrari or Maserati.

I will produce anything I want no matter what - how can you (or anyone else) stop me?

I have my own style, my own ideas and nobody can replace me, cause that's my hobby, my talent, my works, my art.

AI generated shit is fake, can't be copyrighted and will be regulated. AI has no talent and can't make art, since art is the result of human talent and skills.

Your babbling at the end of 2023 about OF models replacing porn producers reminds me the GFY "visionaries" (the leeches) from 2017/2018 "predicting" an apocalypse of porn production cause OF models will replace us... well, it's almost 2024 and guess what? DID-NOT-HAPPEN.

The rest of your post is just bullshit I don't care about.

I know a lot of people that use community sites, dating sites, use webcam/chat sites.
Don't know anyone that paid for a subscription for a video site nowadays.
When you could download videos and the tubes wheren't there it was different.

I make more money promoting sites like sdc .com, sexshops, cams and AFF kind of sites than video sites.
The group that want to pay for a video is much smaller. But everyone want real sex and/or a date and chat/ flirt with others.
Pormoting VR sites though get some sales. But not as much as community sites. Beer money in my case.
I know people from my sites that met each other on my sites and got married. I am not aiming at people that jerk for a movie screen.

Look, i can discuss without saying dumbass, leech, etcetra!

ZTT · 12-09-2023, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM

If people wanted to buy cars just for transportation, they wouldn't be buying Ferrari or Maserati.

If people could make their own Ferrari or Maserati with an AI how many would be still buying Ferraris and Maseratis?

Quote:

I will produce anything I want no matter what - how could you (or anyone else) stop me?

The point about AI is that nobody will even care what you produce because they'll be too busy spanking it over what they produced themselves, for themselves.

Quote:

AI has no talent and can't make art, since art is the result of human talent and skills.

The isn't about art, it's about porn. Stuff you look at for ten minutes before throwing another soggy tube sock into a crusty pile.

The question isn't even will people recognize something is AI generated, because we all know nobody will care. Something is either hot or it's not; that's all that matters.

There is simply no way you can produce content that is more tailored to someone's interests than what they can make for themselves with AIs.

INever · 12-09-2023, 03:40 PM

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So what is the best vpn to promote?

pornmasta · 12-10-2023, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INever

Blah blah law this law that.

So what is the best vpn to promote?

Try North Korea VPN

pornmasta · 12-10-2023, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM

it would drastically improve the law enforcement and clean up the internet from kids, criminals, terrorists and idiots like you.

But also of idiots like you

pornmasta · 12-10-2023, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM

I don't see any mention about the EU Digital ID being mandatory for everyone

It is not mandatory to have a bank account or a valid ID card.
Despite that i feel i don't really have a choice...

12-04-2023, 11:22 PM	#9
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12-04-2023, 11:32 PM	#11
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12-04-2023, 11:38 PM	#12
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	i suspect other countries will copy this, and it will be the end of porn by 2025. So onlyfans models and webcam models will be stuffed. It is probably going to kill off most affiliates, as they will probably have to age verify for such as blogs. It was fun while it lasted. __________________ The Affiliate Program

12-05-2023, 12:14 AM	#13
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	If your a slimy turd, then set up an age verification business. Then spam the forums telling us how wonderful your service is. No doubt you will find some slimy porn site that you can sponsor and in turn for getting money from you they will post that age verification is a great thing. It will be amusing to see what slime will use this as an opportunity to make money by stabbing everyone in porn in the back whore pretending they are helping us. If any site advertises any age verification firm, then shame on them. __________________ The Affiliate Program

12-05-2023, 01:42 AM	#14
Tasty1 Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 9,244	Europe is working on a digital ID. In The Netherlands some parties want to get rid of privacy. Everyone should only be able to login on the internet or social media when they are identified. D66 and VVD are two parties who supported that. And altough a majority didn't want it in The Netherlands, the Eurofile parties D66 and VVD and some left parties agreed anyway. So now they can fingerpoint to the EU when your privacy is gone and the EU will take "care" of your privacy.. ---- D66 and VVD form one party with some other center left EU parties, RenewEurope. Once you have the Digital Identity, it is simple to forbid anonymous internet. And make it easy to check the age of people that are allowed to see pornsites. At this moment the Dutch government didn't have their own plans for age verification., they pushed it to an EU solution. Mostly left parties and center left (VVD / D66) are for an digital online ID. And they stilll have a majority now. PVV was against this. But it is too late. February 2023: "The House of Representatives did not want it, but the Cabinet agreed to it anyway and as it now appears, there is no way back: the European digital ID will be introduced and the House of Representatives no longer has the means to approve or reject the end result.." ---- Cabinet refuses to implement motion on European digital identity Monday, December 5, 2022, 4:23 PM by Editors The cabinet refuses to implement a motion on the European digital identity that was adopted by a majority in the House of Representatives. The motion requested the government not to agree to the Council conclusion on the European digital identity, because previous concerns of the House of Representatives, such as about the storage of data and reliable technologies, have not been sufficiently addressed. State Secretary Van Huffelen of Digital Affairs does not believe it is necessary to respond to the motion, because the Netherlands would then be sidelined in the remainder of the negotiations, she claims. During the negotiations, the Netherlands was unable to settle a number of matters regarding the European digital identity that the government indicated it wanted to do. This concerns matters such as the mandatory use of open source for wallet apps and an explicit ban on trading users' data. Last year, the European Commission presented plans for the introduction of a digital identity with which citizens can identify themselves throughout the European Union. Citizens must be able to identify themselves and share electronic documents from a special wallet app for smartphones. Major platforms will be required to accept the new European digital identity. __________________ everything is fake

12-05-2023, 03:06 AM	#15
cordoba Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,173	Amazing this generation that is the most ethical and progressive in history and that has embraced LBGTQ+ rights, climate change activism, BLM, fat acceptance etc etc, are also the generation that has supposedly been completely warped by exposure to porn tubes. I know this is being done under a Conservative party in the UK, but they are 'progressive' almost as much as the opposition these days, and this legislation is backed by all parties in equal measure.

12-05-2023, 03:26 AM	#17
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Many countries including the USA in some states seem to be moving to age verification. The public are unlikely to bother, and so sales will drop. I suspect this is the end for porn online. What we will see presumably is people pirating porn on such as memory cards and so on. Traffic to pay porn sites will decrease a lot as blogs and tubes will probably close as they will not have age verification on them. Criminals will make a fortune by setting up fake age verification sites and getting peoples bank details. __________________ The Affiliate Program

12-05-2023, 03:28 AM	#18
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	I would suggest that dvd sales of porn may be the way to go, but I wonder if many have dvd players these days. __________________ The Affiliate Program

12-07-2023, 07:57 PM	#25
ruff I have a plan B Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle - Miami - St Kitts Posts: 5,501	There is no way this kind of thing can be enforced, so fuck them. It's the parent's job to raise their kids, not the government. This kind of shit pops up every few years. In the US, it's shut down by the 1st amendment of our constitution. __________________ CryptoFeeds

12-07-2023, 09:02 PM	#27
Tasty1 Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 9,244	Just move away from the EU and put your servers somewhere else. Will cost them another 10 years to tackle that. By than everybody pays with coins. Could work out wel the age system, or work against (some of) us. We will know in a few years. __________________ everything is fake

12-08-2023, 05:05 AM	#29
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12-08-2023, 01:19 PM	#37
Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,402	Yawn. Every single year we hear about this. Never happens.

12-08-2023, 06:01 PM	#43
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,490	Political parties, big corporations, they ALL want control, money, power....doesn't mean they can always get it, or easily. Anything 'digital' can be hacked. Remember that. So ultimately useless PR CYA bullshit. Cheers. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

12-09-2023, 03:40 PM	#47
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,484	Blah blah law this law that. So what is the best vpn to promote? __________________ I love Camdough