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candyflip · 06-12-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
When you release source code to the public you only set yourself up for trouble unless you obfuscate your code.

Thank you for gracing this thread with your presence.

I like this point. But again...no chickens were harmed in the process of coding this program.

completetosser · 06-12-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

Neither are really "free". Choker takes 2% and we're taking 1%. But other than that...you're probably right on.

No he doesn't, he takes 1%

easyjesus · 06-12-2003, 06:41 PM

i like Choker and his programs are great. I am sticking with TTT, screw the imitations....

easyjesus · 06-12-2003, 06:43 PM

They copy his script, make it look identical and are now starting all this drama to better themselves... Get there name out there, people downloading and using the script and they get free traffic..

before long, there rich and ride off into the sunset with everything, because of all this bs....

candyflip · 06-12-2003, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by easyjesus
They copy his script, make it look identical and are now starting all this drama to better themselves... Get there name out there, people downloading and using the script and they get free traffic..

before long, there rich and ride off into the sunset with everything, because of all this bs....

Wow...you're a real genius there.

Again...the script is not a copy. In fact, it's a superior product. Choker slung the mud, tried to strong arm some of our users and also made a few threats.

GFY is just a fun place to point this all out.

SixNine · 06-12-2003, 07:27 PM

Who remembers how UCJ came about?

m4tt · 06-12-2003, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by SixNine
Who remembers how UCJ came about?

TheFLY · 06-12-2003, 07:42 PM

Could you give us a demo of this product live on GFY? What exactly does this thing do and why is it so great?

GeXus · 06-12-2003, 07:53 PM

Is that a hitbot in your folder there candyflip

Mojo Rizin · 06-12-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by SixNine
Who remembers how UCJ came about?

I dont...

Can you seriously give a cliff notes version?

Rich · 06-12-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by SixNine
Who remembers how UCJ came about?

ahhhh but it's long forgotten now that everyone uses it. good call

PornoDoggy · 06-12-2003, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by easyjesus
i like Choker and his programs are great. I am sticking with TTT, screw the imitations....

Same here.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-12-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
both scripts have a main folder + admin folder + toplist folder. coincidence?

main folder of both scripts. notice anything similar?

admin folder of both scripts. notice anything similar?

toplist folder of both scripts. notice anything similar?

the first template that comes with both scripts. notice anything similar?

not to mention the admin area is almost an exact copy.

Enough said. I'm out of this discussion. Choker will do whatever he needs to do.

remind me never to piss you off, k?

lil2rich4u2 · 06-12-2003, 08:30 PM

does your script offer any traffic back programs?

Listen, if you took the time to make sure your in the clear with copyrights, then id say you are ok.

I admit it looks alot like ttt, and the files are even layed out the same ... but how can you patent or copyright the way files are layed out in a directory? LOL!

bad publicity is good publicity ... your a marketting genious!

madps · 06-12-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

He can drink as much cola as he wants - he still won't be me!!!

PowerCum · 06-13-2003, 01:18 AM

Ok, here are the main differences between both scripts. You can look at the code and compare if you want.

1) Security. TTT has numerous security bugs, some of them leading to database shutdown or direct command execution on th server. If you want to test it, just create a form with the same variables that has the TTT admin login form, then fill between 512 KB and 8MB crap data in the password value and submit the form. The effects may vary depending on php config and mysql version used. On most default configs (with not the most new MySQL version) it will kill the database. There are also some other security bugs but this is one of the most funny. This bug has been reported twice to Choker. The first reply was "There is no bug". Second reply was "You are banned". CjOverkill fixes all these bugs and also logs them. I want to know who is brute forcing my admin area.
2) IP log OUT. This feature does not exist in TTT.
3) Enhanced in IP log. My script shows the entire proxy and IP path, and the clicks each IP has made.
4) Maximum proxy % anticheating. If a trade is sending me 75% proxy traffic I want to be able to autodisable it. TTT does not have this feature.
5) Maximum clicks anticheating. If a rtade sends me an user that makes 500 clicks I want to be able to autodisable it. Here you say "TTT has maximum prod feature". Ok, now imagina I get 500 proxies and start hitbot you, then go to your page and start clicking (about 500 clicks). It will not drop my trade because the hitbot in hits will lower the productivity. Cjverkill fixes that problem.
6) Minimum hits to start the cheat checks. TTT starts the cheat checks at 100 ins. In my script this value can be edited from the settings. If you want, you can make it start the cheating checks from the first hit your trades send you. I would not be happy if someone sent me 50 hits that made 5k clicks (TTT would not disable the trade), so this option disables his cheatings.
6) Traffic filter. When the HEAD attack hitbots appeared and fucked lots of sites around, we all know how much time did it took to release a patch (I submited the CjOverkill filter code to Choker's board because I had some trades with guys using TTT, some of them installed the filter and are still sing it). The filter allows you to block surfers per domain, ip block (China, rusia, etc...), user client navigator (Known leech bots and hitbots), and request method (A normal surfer does not need to make HEAD or PUT requests). Of course, you can edit this filter at any time in order to make it fit your needs.
7) Cookies work properly (or at least I think so). TTT sets an user cookie for 9999999 or something like and never clears it. This means that on a site with lots of trades (let's say 1000) it will overflow the maximum cookies lenght in the surfer's explorer (depending on what browser uses the surfer) and will crash it. There is no point to keep a cookie for more than 24 hours, so it is always cleaned.
8) Inmutable trades. If you want to feed some site with traffic you set it up as an inmutable trade and it will never be disabled even if it does send 0 (zero) hits to you.
9) trading algorythm. CjOverkill trading algorythm works in this way: uniques * clicks * ratio / outs. TTT has ripped Lane's CjUltra algorythm: 9999999-some_prod_formula_here. There is no point to use a fixed value (9999999) as a start to calculate priority. This causes that when the site reaches 10k to 35k visitors it will start fucking the trades (depending on the site productivity the peak may vary) and will start make calculations wrong or not correcly at all because the 9999 value is overflowed. Of course, on my script there is no such fixed value because there is no need of it.

Of course there are more changes, but these are the main ones. About these blaming about the layout, it also shows RAWs and forces per hour, also there is a separation between bookmarks and external links that send surfers to you.

For the next version (3 to 4 weeks from now) there will be a geotargeted traffic filter, no daily resets, detailed trade history, logs will be analyzed and diplayed in better way in order to show the cheater report origin, etc...

You can use it or not, that's not my problem, I coded it for me and my sites.

For all you who still think it's TTT looking only at the html...

<IMX> · 06-13-2003, 01:28 AM

hmmm....

How did UCJ and other trade scripts come about?

btw the original kick-ass one is in my sig I believe.

SpaceAce · 06-13-2003, 01:37 AM

The first one of you to add a complete and functional TGP management system to the script will own the market.

SpaceAce

SpaceAce · 06-13-2003, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by <IMX>
hmmm....

How did UCJ and other trade scripts come about?

btw the original kick-ass one is in my sig I believe.

Several years ago, UCJ was just a free(ish) PERL program. Through a friend I got very early copies and even modified it so people could use it without SSI. As I remember, the original author thought my solution was imperfect because it had to read a file every time a hit came in, but at least people without SSI could have a trading script

If I dig hard enough, it's possible that I still have some of the original PERL versions.

SpaceAce

Choker · 06-13-2003, 02:32 AM

When the time comes for me to lay the smack down, it will be in a thread I start, not Candyflips. Icefire has openly admitted several times that his script is a rewrite of TTT. In fact months ago I kicked him out of all my programs because he kept changing TTT and posting about it. Icefire is a punk ass kid who hosts his sites off his mommy's computer in her bedroom. So there is no host I can contact. this is why Icefire will be recieving a visit very soon. Think I'm bluffing? You will see. Anyone can look at these two scripts and tell what is what. Enjoy the downloads, don't forget to tell those tgps using your hacked script what will happen to them.

Candyflip, I just want to know what sites you own and/or run.

Anyone thinking of downloading this script you might want to think twice. I work very hard for what I have and I do not cheat or rip anyone off. And I will be damned if I let anyone rip me off. If you download and install this hacked script, your host, your trades, your sponsors will be notified that you are running a stolen script. So unless you are hosted on your home PC like Icefire is, you will be shut down. If you even suspect the script is stolen why would you use it?

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13

goBigtime · 06-13-2003, 03:18 AM

So why don't you just steal their rewrite?...

or incorporate their improvements into TTT?

Or are you just suggesting everyone run the same old TTT (who's problems have now been highlighted in this thread) or else you'll get your trades killed, servers hacked & knees broke...

I mean I know you're the traffic kingpin around here and all.. but that should be all the more reason to listen to your clients and have a todolist for the script/s that one of your guys works on. --Because it sounds like they were suggestive & skilled clients before they were thieving competitiors.

It sounds like those guys were giving you ideas, suggestions, bug reports, etc etc for a long ass time & you ignored them & finally banned them (for continually disecting your scripts and offering suggestions for improvment??).... --- err I've only followed this one-sided thread, I know shit else about this situation so maybe there is more to it.. but thasts what it sounds like.

So how about this, fix it, update it & improve it & maybe people will continute to use it

ONS · 06-13-2003, 03:19 AM

Hit his system using some korean proxys or begin sending spam from his domain that will do the job.

I am sure there are a few spammers around GFY who would be willing to use his domian do their opt-out links for a few bucks. This way you wont even have to get your hands dirty and there wont be a damn thing he can do about it.

Also i have never seen a trade script that was built from scratch and never had a beta. Not to mention 0 bugs related to the actual code have been reported in their forum.

So how do you build such a beast from scratch with perfection overnight?

I think anyone with even a few brain cells knows the answer.

TheViper · 06-13-2003, 03:19 AM

Yo Candyflip STFU and pay me for the logo instead of whining about somebody else.

Choker · 06-13-2003, 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
So why don't you just steal their rewrite?...

or incorporate their improvements into TTT?

Or are you just suggesting everyone run the same old TTT (who's problems have now been highlighted in this thread) or else you'll get your trades killed, servers hacked & knees broke...

I mean I know you're the traffic kingpin around here and all.. but that should be all the more reason to listen to your clients and have a todolist for the script/s that one of your guys works on. --Because it sounds like they were suggestive & skilled clients before they were thieving competitiors.

It sounds like those guys were giving you ideas, suggestions, bug reports, etc etc for a long ass time & you ignored them & finally banned them (for continually disecting your scripts and offering suggestions for improvment??)....

So how about this, fix it, update it & improve it & maybe people will continute to use it

First of all 99% of the shit he says that is wrong with TTT is total bullshit and TTT is upgraded every 2 months or so. The latest edition has many improvememnts in it. If you don't like windows XP do you have the right to "add improvements" to it and distribute it on the web to others?

Icefire was banned form another free trade script he tried to "improve" also. If you don't like a script, then don't use it. You do not have the right to change it. Trying to say it needs improvements is no excuse.

And I don't steal anyones rewrite.

Choker · 06-13-2003, 03:45 AM

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Originally posted by TheViper
Yo Candyflip STFU and pay me for the logo instead of whining about somebody else.

Do you have a list of sites Candyflip owns?

goBigtime · 06-13-2003, 03:58 AM

[inhale]
(Keep in mind I don't even use any of this trading stuff either way... I'm just arguing to argue at this point.... I mean a case can be made for both sides it sounds like... CLEARLY they stepped over the line, but it sounds like their initial warnings & suggestions were not being heard... sort of like bug reporting with Microsoft... alert them, warn them, warn them again, release the exploit - watch MSFT scramble. It's silly that they procrastinate like that)..... [/exahale]

If you don't like windows XP do you have the right to "add improvements" to it and distribute it on the web to others?

Yes. Fuck yes. They are the dominante force in the OS world - if they want to stay that way, they, in a timely fasion, should fix bugs (no matter how small or obscure) & incorporate useful and/or desired improvements suggested or requested by their users.

For example, remember windows skins & themes? You can bet that MSFT had the opportunity to make their own windows skinning feature (due to user requests/suggestions) loooooong before any of the aftermarket companies came out with them and well before they were natively supported in WindowsXP.

That's a costmetic example, but the point is still the same - if you, the ruler of large groups of people don't continually give the people what they want - eventually someone else will. Be it a simple cosmetic tweak or a major change in the core OS/engine/whatever - eventually someone else will do it for you.

Icefire was banned form another free trade script he tried to "improve" also. If you don't like a script, then don't use it. You do not have the right to change it. Trying to say it needs improvements is no excuse.

See my explanation above. You have a big responsibilty now Choker. Since your script is the most widely used (isn't it?) you need to be much more attentitive to the suggestions that your users give you -- even if they are punk kids on their mommies internet connection

And I don't steal anyones rewrite.

Too bad.. sounded like there were some good improvements. Not that I know shit about traffic trading... but I checked out that comparison chart.

Anyway.. bottom line is you've muscled your way to the top by providing what has been cutting edge scripts & services that met (and continute to meet) the needs of the times. But keep in mind, the times change - as do the players at the top unwilling to.

I'll say it a third time here... I don't use either/any of these traffic trading scripts, but I was sort of offended when you suggested that anyone that downloaded and/or used these scripts would expierience trade-deletion hell...

Why would anyone want to use their script over yours in the first place hmm?

Don't bully and threaten your clients for wanting to try something better.

I think the better response would have been something like....

"For those of you currently using TTT and considering downloading & using this obvious 'inspired' RIP-OFF, I kindly ask that you hold off for a week or so while we do some major improvements to the TTT script!

"

But it comes off more like... "Your ass will bleed rivers of blood if you even think about downloading this script! CHOKER HAS SPOKEN!"

For the record though - I don't have any beef with Choker personally. He's very innovative, has a lot of cool services going on. I just don't like the way he's handling this specific situation being in the position that hes in.

ServerGenius · 06-13-2003, 04:05 AM

This is really, really, really simple and I'll point it out just once!

Read the fucking license that TTT comes with. Did you understand
the license? If yes.....then why the fuck do you defend a guy who
CLEARLY violated the license?

All other discussion is utterly useless. The license has been
violated and that dismisses ALL OTHER ARGUMENTS AT ONCE!

As said before....don't agree with the license....don't use it.
Nobody forces you to use TTT.

Needless to say that if you use the script that evolved by a CLEAR
violation of the license......means that YOU will violate the license
aswell.

DynaMite

goBigtime · 06-13-2003, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
This is really, really, really simple and I'll point it out just once!

Read the fucking license that TTT comes with. Did you understand
the license? If yes.....then why the fuck do you defend a guy who
CLEARLY violated the license?

DynaMite

Aww cmon Dyna.... how many times have you blocked MSFT from pointlessly/needlessly (for us anyway) trying to phone-home with packets of ecrypted user gold?

I'm sure there is something in the MSFT EULA's that forbids us from hacking and tweaking MSFT apps , OS's, collected data, etc., -- yet many many people do it to varying degrees. Why?

I can SEE that these guys rewrote TTT... more than 'inspired' even & it doesn't help that they are being all

smart-assy about it either...

But that's not why I'm arguing here.

ServerGenius · 06-13-2003, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime

Aww cmon Dyna.... how many times have you blocked MSFT from pointlessly/needlessly (for us anyway) trying to phone-home with packets of ecrypted user gold?

I'm sure there is something in the MSFT EULA's that forbids us from hacking and tweaking MSFT apps & OS's... yet many many people do it to varying degrees. Why?

I can SEE that these guys rewrote TTT... more than inspired even & it doesn't help that they are being all smart-assy about it either...

But that's not why I'm arguing here.

Tweaking altering Microsoft is illegal aswell. That so many people
do it doesn't make it legal. If you violate the terms you can
expect to get slapped.....don't whine when it happens.

I'm not saying I'm an angel....but if I violate a license and I get
slapped for it.....then I have nothing to moan about.

DynaMite

Choker · 06-13-2003, 04:22 AM

Gobigtime, I got where I am by working my ass off. I do not steal or rip others off. Why do you think so many webmasters do business with me? It is because I am honest. PERIOD. The guys defending this thief can justify stealling all they want, hey nobody serving prison time is guilty, right? There will always be pissants like this Icefire that cannot make it on his own, so he steals from guys like me. Notice how these guys always eventually fade away? I have the right to protect my work, and I will excercise that right when I am ready. Anyone reading this thread that uses this hacked script will never make any money in this business anyway. If they use a stolen script what prevents them from stealing from their trades or sponsors? Nothing, their hands are already dirty. Argue this all you want to, I have to do what I have to do to protect my work.

As far as threatening, well I have offered all of this shitheads trades free traffic to delete thier trades with his shitty little TGP, and more than half killed the trades and refused the free traffic offer from me. These guys did what was right. Can you trust a thief?

goBigtime · 06-13-2003, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain

Tweaking altering Microsoft is illegal aswell. That so many people
do it doesn't make it legal. If you violate the terms you can
expect to get slapped.....don't whine when it happens.

I'm not saying I'm an angel....but if I violate a license and I get
slapped for it.....then I have nothing to moan about.

DynaMite

Yeah... I guess so.

But this sort of stuff happens all the time on big widely-used open source scripts.

HomeFree comes to mind. I think it was a 1 1/2 man coding team over the for a long time... and the guy was super slow to keep up with user requests. So the users would make their own fixes & publish them in the forums... and everyone was happy. (even though they were most likely in violation of the licensing terms)...

Eventually he would just take peoples hacks an icorporate them as base code, or give them the "seal of approval" or whatever...

Anyway I feel like I'm arguing about this a lot more than I need to now. I've made the points I wanted to make. It doesn't change the fact they used his stuff as a base to build on.

goBigtime · 06-13-2003, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by Choker

As far as threatening, well I have offered all of this shitheads trades free traffic to delete thier trades with his shitty little TGP, and more than half killed the trades and refused the free traffic offer from me. These guys did what was right. Can you trust a thief?

Nah I hear you completely & I hope you understand where I'm coming from in this....

This is something between you and them. And you guys are having this big public pissing match battle over whos is whos (I mean we all kind of know whats up after those screen shots)...

But like for a minute during the pissing... you turned to address the GFY'ers & TTT'ers & sprayed us all... I'd like to think it was unintentional

See.. the part that got me posting is when you directed it at US (GFY'ers, TTT'ers whoevers reading) that we will be blackballed by you if we use this script (that they hype to be better than TTT), making a negative statement to your clients and would-be clients rather than turning it around and making it positive for us.... like suggesting what we'll get if we DON'T use their clone (ie a coming soon TTT with new features or any number of your attention redirecting promotions

)

But I'm burnt out.. moving all day. I withdraw

Choker · 06-13-2003, 04:51 AM

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See.. the part that got me posting is when you directed it at US (GFY'ers, TTT'ers whoevers reading) that we will be blackballed by you if we use this script (that they hype to be better than TTT), making a negative statement to your clients and would-be clients rather than turning it around and making it positive for us.... like suggesting what we'll get if we DON'T use their clone (ie a coming soon TTT with new features or any number of your attention redirecting promotions

This was directed at anyone downloading and using this stolen script. TTT is better and is constantly upgraded. Negative comment??????????? so I should offer people something in return for NOT using a stolen script? Come on dude now you are being silly. I do not annouce every upgrade to every program I have. I do upgrade all my programs constantly. Some guys even complain that they can't keep up with all my upgrades.

I am not too worried about guys who will download and use this hacked script, we all know thieves never make it for very long in this business. I will be a "BULLY" and make sure of this. Just because other script writers do not have the motivation or resources to do something about hackers, does not mean I have to stick my ass up in the air and let a pissant who knows a little php to come along and fuck me in my ass. I have and will continue to blacklist sites who hack other guys scripts also. It is not just my shit I don't want stolen. I hate thieves and cheaters with a passion. Many people come to me when they get cheated or ripped off. I do what I can when I can for anyone that gets ripped off. This is not just about ripping me off. The fact that I have to justify myself in protecting my own work is really mind boggling. Only on GFY is this normal.

m4tt · 06-13-2003, 09:34 AM

Candyflip, why can't he just change the layout and rename some files? It will end the whole thing... I just don't understand.

I love how Choker thinks he has power.. you know industry does not revolve around GFY.

FillmoreSlim · 06-13-2003, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
When the time comes for me to lay the smack down, it will be in a thread I start, not Candyflips. Icefire has openly admitted several times that his script is a rewrite of TTT. In fact months ago I kicked him out of all my programs because he kept changing TTT and posting about it. Icefire is a punk ass kid who hosts his sites off his mommy's computer in her bedroom. So there is no host I can contact. this is why Icefire will be recieving a visit very soon. Think I'm bluffing? You will see. Anyone can look at these two scripts and tell what is what. Enjoy the downloads, don't forget to tell those tgps using your hacked script what will happen to them.

Candyflip, I just want to know what sites you own and/or run.

Anyone thinking of downloading this script you might want to think twice. I work very hard for what I have and I do not cheat or rip anyone off. And I will be damned if I let anyone rip me off. If you download and install this hacked script, your host, your trades, your sponsors will be notified that you are running a stolen script. So unless you are hosted on your home PC like Icefire is, you will be shut down. If you even suspect the script is stolen why would you use it?

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13

Hope you DO have a lawyer because your response is pretty lame.

Choker, you've basically insinuated that you ORGINATED the idea of traffic trading scripts and that you'll be "visiting" this guy implying some sort of threat of physical violence. Not to mention you are strongarming your customers by also threatening them with expulsion from your own program if they use a alternative script. Umm...just so you know that is an illegal practice. Microsoft anyone?

This is how business works. Someone makes a mousetrap, someone else makes a better mousetrap. I suspect you wont be in business for very much longer if you continue to insult and attack the users of your product, whose main goal is sell more fucking memberships NOT to form some allegiance to your script.

I think you need to get your head out of your ass and improve your script. You wouldn't have this problem if you put as much time into R & D as you did as childish response about someones server.

I could give a fuck if this script is served off a hacked gameboy running off a goats milk generator. If the script is better, people will and SHOULD use it.

m4tt · 06-13-2003, 09:50 AM

I just took a look at Chokers code and it's obvious now why he is so insecure.

FillmoreSlim · 06-13-2003, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
This is really, really, really simple and I'll point it out just once!

Read the fucking license that TTT comes with. Did you understand
the license? If yes.....then why the fuck do you defend a guy who
CLEARLY violated the license?

All other discussion is utterly useless. The license has been
violated and that dismisses ALL OTHER ARGUMENTS AT ONCE!

As said before....don't agree with the license....don't use it.
Nobody forces you to use TTT.

Needless to say that if you use the script that evolved by a CLEAR
violation of the license......means that YOU will violate the license
aswell.

DynaMite

How many licenses were violated in Chokers recreaton of a million trade scripts?

Choker is physically threatening the person who wrote this script.

Gothbox · 06-13-2003, 09:51 AM

Turbo Traffic Trader kicks ass

Thanks Choker for the kick ass programs you put out.
Cant wait for v3.0

FillmoreSlim · 06-13-2003, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

I hate thieves and cheaters with a passion. Many people come to me when they get cheated or ripped off. I do what I can when I can for anyone that gets ripped off. This is not just about ripping me off. The fact that I have to justify myself in protecting my own work is really mind boggling. Only on GFY is this normal.

You are acting like a child. Suck it up and improve your script. Your competitors have.

Instead of continuing to illegally threaten people with physical violence MAKE A BETTER SCRIPT.

Is this too difficult a concept for you to understand? This is how the software world has worked for 30 years Mr. Arrogant...or does King Choker think he is immune from competition?

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
does your script offer any traffic back programs?

Listen, if you took the time to make sure your in the clear with copyrights, then id say you are ok.

I admit it looks alot like ttt, and the files are even layed out the same ... but how can you patent or copyright the way files are layed out in a directory? LOL!

bad publicity is good publicity ... your a marketting genious!

You bet we do lil2rich...you and I talked about it in the past. We did some testing and hope to fully launch this month sometime.

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
When the time comes for me to lay the smack down, it will be in a thread I start, not Candyflips. Icefire has openly admitted several times that his script is a rewrite of TTT. In fact months ago I kicked him out of all my programs because he kept changing TTT and posting about it. Icefire is a punk ass kid who hosts his sites off his mommy's computer in her bedroom. So there is no host I can contact. this is why Icefire will be recieving a visit very soon. Think I'm bluffing? You will see. Anyone can look at these two scripts and tell what is what. Enjoy the downloads, don't forget to tell those tgps using your hacked script what will happen to them.

Candyflip, I just want to know what sites you own and/or run.

Anyone thinking of downloading this script you might want to think twice. I work very hard for what I have and I do not cheat or rip anyone off. And I will be damned if I let anyone rip me off. If you download and install this hacked script, your host, your trades, your sponsors will be notified that you are running a stolen script. So unless you are hosted on your home PC like Icefire is, you will be shut down. If you even suspect the script is stolen why would you use it?

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13

More threats. This time with physical violence. You're a big man Choker. Good luck doing what ever it is you feel you must do.

You're just a sore loser who doesn't like competition...though you've claimed a million times over that you welcome it.

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by ONS
Hit his system using some korean proxys or begin sending spam from his domain that will do the job.

I am sure there are a few spammers around GFY who would be willing to use his domian do their opt-out links for a few bucks. This way you wont even have to get your hands dirty and there wont be a damn thing he can do about it.

Also i have never seen a trade script that was built from scratch and never had a beta. Not to mention 0 bugs related to the actual code have been reported in their forum.

So how do you build such a beast from scratch with perfection overnight?

I think anyone with even a few brain cells knows the answer.

There have been quite a few bugs and they were brought to Kal's attention and he squashed them almost immediately.

When some similar ones were brought to Choker's attention nothing was done about it. Here's where it all went down:

http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=1490&t=1490

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by TheViper
Yo Candyflip STFU and pay me for the logo instead of whining about somebody else.

I already told you that you can GO FUCK YOURSELF. I never got the logo, and you won't be gettting any cash. Next time don't start a project until someone pays you...like I mentioned to you when you said you could do the logo.

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

First of all 99% of the shit he says that is wrong with TTT is total bullshit and TTT is upgraded every 2 months or so. The latest edition has many improvememnts in it. If you don't like windows XP do you have the right to "add improvements" to it and distribute it on the web to others?

Icefire was banned form another free trade script he tried to "improve" also. If you don't like a script, then don't use it. You do not have the right to change it. Trying to say it needs improvements is no excuse.

And I don't steal anyones rewrite.

He didn't change it. He rewrote it...from the ground up. You shit script and holier than thou attitude are what prompted him to do just that. Guess what Choker...there's nothing you can do about it.

Have a nice day and again, GO FUCK YOURSELF.

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by m4tt
Candyflip, why can't he just change the layout and rename some files? It will end the whole thing... I just don't understand.

I love how Choker thinks he has power.. you know industry does not revolve around GFY.

Because it causes Choker's panties to go twisted.

FillmoreSlim · 06-13-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

There have been quite a few bugs and they were brought to Kal's attention and he squashed them almost immediately.

When some similar ones were brought to Choker's attention nothing was done about it. Here's where it all went down:

http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=1490&t=1490

I hope this can be settled professionally.

Why not a collaboration? Why dont you guys squash your beef and collaborate to create a truly outstanding script?

The copyright claims need to be settled...why hasnt anyone published snapshots of the actual code in the script? I'm not really sure how directory layouts constitute intellectual property...

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by DynaSpain
This is really, really, really simple and I'll point it out just once!

Read the fucking license that TTT comes with. Did you understand
the license? If yes.....then why the fuck do you defend a guy who
CLEARLY violated the license?

All other discussion is utterly useless. The license has been
violated and that dismisses ALL OTHER ARGUMENTS AT ONCE!

As said before....don't agree with the license....don't use it.
Nobody forces you to use TTT.

Needless to say that if you use the script that evolved by a CLEAR
violation of the license......means that YOU will violate the license
aswell.

DynaMite

The license was not violated in any way whatsoever. This is new code, and everything has been looked over and ok'd by not one lawyer, but two...so your arguement is null and void.

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by FillmoreSlim

I hope this can be settled professionally.

Why not a collaboration? Why dont you guys squash your beef and collaborate to create a truly outstanding script?

The copyright claims need to be settled...why hasnt anyone published snapshots of the actual code in the script? I'm not really sure how directory layouts constitute intellectual property...

Choker has claimed in the past that he's not afraid of competition, in fact...he's said that he welcomes it. If that's the case, why is he getting so bent out of shape about a script that just looks like his.

We have a gallery program similar to his, with some of the same features and some new ones as well. This is just part of the puzzle.

The code is not the same as TTT. Choker calling us theives is like the pot calling the kettle black. (TTT ripped CJUltra's trade algorithm, as mentioned above)

FillmoreSlim · 06-13-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by candyflip

Choker has claimed in the past that he's not afraid of competition, in fact...he's said that he welcomes it. If that's the case, why is he getting so bent out of shape about a script that just looks like his.

We have a gallery program similar to his, with some of the same features and some new ones as well. This is just part of the puzzle.

The code is not the same as TTT. Choker calling us theives is like the pot calling the kettle black. (TTT ripped CJUltra's trade algorithm, as mentioned above)

Still, dont you think introducing a new script/service would be a lot more productive if you didnt start the whole thread with "Choker, Go Fuck Yourself"...maybe his response wasnt that dignified but you started off your new script launch with something surely meant to instigate.

If your script is that good, it should sell itself...without the bullshit.

candyflip · 06-13-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by FillmoreSlim

Still, dont you think introducing a new script/service would be a lot more productive if you didnt start the whole thread with "Choker, Go Fuck Yourself"...maybe his response wasnt that dignified but you started off your new script launch with something surely meant to instigate.

If your script is that good, it should sell itself...without the bullshit.

People have been downloading and using the script for a month or so now. New folks each and every day. Do a search you'll see

This was just a response to Choker's threats that he made in a previous thread. I just wanted to shed some light on more childish behavior from Choker.

We've had a TON of downloads since this thread kicked off...mission accomplished.

06-12-2003, 06:41 PM	#53
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06-12-2003, 06:43 PM	#54
easyjesus Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ft Worth TX Posts: 291	They copy his script, make it look identical and are now starting all this drama to better themselves... Get there name out there, people downloading and using the script and they get free traffic.. before long, there rich and ride off into the sunset with everything, because of all this bs.... __________________ Loved By Some, Hated By Most.... <a href="http://www.unclejimsporn.com">http://www.unclejimsporn.com</a> <a href="http://www.cousindirty.com">http://www.cousindirty.com</a> <a href="http://www.drunkspringbreakchics.com">http://www.drunkspringbreakchics.com</a>

06-12-2003, 07:53 PM	#59
GeXus Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Yo Mommas Pussy Posts: 3,320	Is that a hitbot in your folder there candyflip __________________

06-12-2003, 08:30 PM	#64
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	does your script offer any traffic back programs? Listen, if you took the time to make sure your in the clear with copyrights, then id say you are ok. I admit it looks alot like ttt, and the files are even layed out the same ... but how can you patent or copyright the way files are layed out in a directory? LOL! bad publicity is good publicity ... your a marketting genious! __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

06-13-2003, 01:18 AM	#66
PowerCum CjOverkill Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woldwide Posts: 1,328	Ok, here are the main differences between both scripts. You can look at the code and compare if you want. 1) Security. TTT has numerous security bugs, some of them leading to database shutdown or direct command execution on th server. If you want to test it, just create a form with the same variables that has the TTT admin login form, then fill between 512 KB and 8MB crap data in the password value and submit the form. The effects may vary depending on php config and mysql version used. On most default configs (with not the most new MySQL version) it will kill the database. There are also some other security bugs but this is one of the most funny. This bug has been reported twice to Choker. The first reply was "There is no bug". Second reply was "You are banned". CjOverkill fixes all these bugs and also logs them. I want to know who is brute forcing my admin area. 2) IP log OUT. This feature does not exist in TTT. 3) Enhanced in IP log. My script shows the entire proxy and IP path, and the clicks each IP has made. 4) Maximum proxy % anticheating. If a trade is sending me 75% proxy traffic I want to be able to autodisable it. TTT does not have this feature. 5) Maximum clicks anticheating. If a rtade sends me an user that makes 500 clicks I want to be able to autodisable it. Here you say "TTT has maximum prod feature". Ok, now imagina I get 500 proxies and start hitbot you, then go to your page and start clicking (about 500 clicks). It will not drop my trade because the hitbot in hits will lower the productivity. Cjverkill fixes that problem. 6) Minimum hits to start the cheat checks. TTT starts the cheat checks at 100 ins. In my script this value can be edited from the settings. If you want, you can make it start the cheating checks from the first hit your trades send you. I would not be happy if someone sent me 50 hits that made 5k clicks (TTT would not disable the trade), so this option disables his cheatings. 6) Traffic filter. When the HEAD attack hitbots appeared and fucked lots of sites around, we all know how much time did it took to release a patch (I submited the CjOverkill filter code to Choker's board because I had some trades with guys using TTT, some of them installed the filter and are still sing it). The filter allows you to block surfers per domain, ip block (China, rusia, etc...), user client navigator (Known leech bots and hitbots), and request method (A normal surfer does not need to make HEAD or PUT requests). Of course, you can edit this filter at any time in order to make it fit your needs. 7) Cookies work properly (or at least I think so). TTT sets an user cookie for 9999999 or something like and never clears it. This means that on a site with lots of trades (let's say 1000) it will overflow the maximum cookies lenght in the surfer's explorer (depending on what browser uses the surfer) and will crash it. There is no point to keep a cookie for more than 24 hours, so it is always cleaned. 8) Inmutable trades. If you want to feed some site with traffic you set it up as an inmutable trade and it will never be disabled even if it does send 0 (zero) hits to you. 9) trading algorythm. CjOverkill trading algorythm works in this way: uniques * clicks * ratio / outs. TTT has ripped Lane's CjUltra algorythm: 9999999-some_prod_formula_here. There is no point to use a fixed value (9999999) as a start to calculate priority. This causes that when the site reaches 10k to 35k visitors it will start fucking the trades (depending on the site productivity the peak may vary) and will start make calculations wrong or not correcly at all because the 9999 value is overflowed. Of course, on my script there is no such fixed value because there is no need of it. Of course there are more changes, but these are the main ones. About these blaming about the layout, it also shows RAWs and forces per hour, also there is a separation between bookmarks and external links that send surfers to you. For the next version (3 to 4 weeks from now) there will be a geotargeted traffic filter, no daily resets, detailed trade history, logs will be analyzed and diplayed in better way in order to show the cheater report origin, etc... You can use it or not, that's not my problem, I coded it for me and my sites. For all you who still think it's TTT looking only at the html... __________________ CjOverkill Traffic Trading Script Free, secure and fast traffic trading script. Get your copy now

06-12-2003, 07:27 PM	#56
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	Who remembers how UCJ came about?

06-12-2003, 07:42 PM	#58
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Could you give us a demo of this product live on GFY? What exactly does this thing do and why is it so great?

06-13-2003, 01:28 AM	#67
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	hmmm.... How did UCJ and other trade scripts come about? btw the original kick-ass one is in my sig I believe. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

06-13-2003, 01:37 AM	#68
SpaceAce Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Magrathea Posts: 6,493	The first one of you to add a complete and functional TGP management system to the script will own the market. SpaceAce

06-13-2003, 02:32 AM	#70
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	When the time comes for me to lay the smack down, it will be in a thread I start, not Candyflips. Icefire has openly admitted several times that his script is a rewrite of TTT. In fact months ago I kicked him out of all my programs because he kept changing TTT and posting about it. Icefire is a punk ass kid who hosts his sites off his mommy's computer in her bedroom. So there is no host I can contact. this is why Icefire will be recieving a visit very soon. Think I'm bluffing? You will see. Anyone can look at these two scripts and tell what is what. Enjoy the downloads, don't forget to tell those tgps using your hacked script what will happen to them. Candyflip, I just want to know what sites you own and/or run. Anyone thinking of downloading this script you might want to think twice. I work very hard for what I have and I do not cheat or rip anyone off. And I will be damned if I let anyone rip me off. If you download and install this hacked script, your host, your trades, your sponsors will be notified that you are running a stolen script. So unless you are hosted on your home PC like Icefire is, you will be shut down. If you even suspect the script is stolen why would you use it? http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13 __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

06-13-2003, 03:18 AM	#71
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	So why don't you just steal their rewrite?... or incorporate their improvements into TTT? Or are you just suggesting everyone run the same old TTT (who's problems have now been highlighted in this thread) or else you'll get your trades killed, servers hacked & knees broke... I mean I know you're the traffic kingpin around here and all.. but that should be all the more reason to listen to your clients and have a todolist for the script/s that one of your guys works on. --Because it sounds like they were suggestive & skilled clients before they were thieving competitiors. It sounds like those guys were giving you ideas, suggestions, bug reports, etc etc for a long ass time & you ignored them & finally banned them (for continually disecting your scripts and offering suggestions for improvment??).... --- err I've only followed this one-sided thread, I know shit else about this situation so maybe there is more to it.. but thasts what it sounds like. So how about this, fix it, update it & improve it & maybe people will continute to use it Last edited by goBigtime; 06-13-2003 at 03:29 AM..

06-13-2003, 03:19 AM	#72
ONS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sparta Posts: 204	Hit his system using some korean proxys or begin sending spam from his domain that will do the job. I am sure there are a few spammers around GFY who would be willing to use his domian do their opt-out links for a few bucks. This way you wont even have to get your hands dirty and there wont be a damn thing he can do about it. Also i have never seen a trade script that was built from scratch and never had a beta. Not to mention 0 bugs related to the actual code have been reported in their forum. So how do you build such a beast from scratch with perfection overnight? I think anyone with even a few brain cells knows the answer.

06-13-2003, 03:19 AM	#73
TheViper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the streets. Posts: 2,560	Yo Candyflip STFU and pay me for the logo instead of whining about somebody else.

06-13-2003, 03:58 AM	#76
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	[inhale] (Keep in mind I don't even use any of this trading stuff either way... I'm just arguing to argue at this point.... I mean a case can be made for both sides it sounds like... CLEARLY they stepped over the line, but it sounds like their initial warnings & suggestions were not being heard... sort of like bug reporting with Microsoft... alert them, warn them, warn them again, release the exploit - watch MSFT scramble. It's silly that they procrastinate like that)..... [/exahale] If you don't like windows XP do you have the right to "add improvements" to it and distribute it on the web to others? Yes. Fuck yes. They are the dominante force in the OS world - if they want to stay that way, they, in a timely fasion, should fix bugs (no matter how small or obscure) & incorporate useful and/or desired improvements suggested or requested by their users. For example, remember windows skins & themes? You can bet that MSFT had the opportunity to make their own windows skinning feature (due to user requests/suggestions) loooooong before any of the aftermarket companies came out with them and well before they were natively supported in WindowsXP. That's a costmetic example, but the point is still the same - if you, the ruler of large groups of people don't continually give the people what they want - eventually someone else will. Be it a simple cosmetic tweak or a major change in the core OS/engine/whatever - eventually someone else will do it for you. Icefire was banned form another free trade script he tried to "improve" also. If you don't like a script, then don't use it. You do not have the right to change it. Trying to say it needs improvements is no excuse. See my explanation above. You have a big responsibilty now Choker. Since your script is the most widely used (isn't it?) you need to be much more attentitive to the suggestions that your users give you -- even if they are punk kids on their mommies internet connection And I don't steal anyones rewrite. Too bad.. sounded like there were some good improvements. Not that I know shit about traffic trading... but I checked out that comparison chart. Anyway.. bottom line is you've muscled your way to the top by providing what has been cutting edge scripts & services that met (and continute to meet) the needs of the times. But keep in mind, the times change - as do the players at the top unwilling to. I'll say it a third time here... I don't use either/any of these traffic trading scripts, but I was sort of offended when you suggested that anyone that downloaded and/or used these scripts would expierience trade-deletion hell... Why would anyone want to use their script over yours in the first place hmm? Don't bully and threaten your clients for wanting to try something better. I think the better response would have been something like.... "For those of you currently using TTT and considering downloading & using this obvious 'inspired' RIP-OFF, I kindly ask that you hold off for a week or so while we do some major improvements to the TTT script! " But it comes off more like... "Your ass will bleed rivers of blood if you even think about downloading this script! CHOKER HAS SPOKEN!" For the record though - I don't have any beef with Choker personally. He's very innovative, has a lot of cool services going on. I just don't like the way he's handling this specific situation being in the position that hes in. Last edited by goBigtime; 06-13-2003 at 04:17 AM..

06-13-2003, 04:05 AM	#77
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	This is really, really, really simple and I'll point it out just once! Read the fucking license that TTT comes with. Did you understand the license? If yes.....then why the fuck do you defend a guy who CLEARLY violated the license? All other discussion is utterly useless. The license has been violated and that dismisses ALL OTHER ARGUMENTS AT ONCE! As said before....don't agree with the license....don't use it. Nobody forces you to use TTT. Needless to say that if you use the script that evolved by a CLEAR violation of the license......means that YOU will violate the license aswell. DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

06-13-2003, 04:22 AM	#80
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Gobigtime, I got where I am by working my ass off. I do not steal or rip others off. Why do you think so many webmasters do business with me? It is because I am honest. PERIOD. The guys defending this thief can justify stealling all they want, hey nobody serving prison time is guilty, right? There will always be pissants like this Icefire that cannot make it on his own, so he steals from guys like me. Notice how these guys always eventually fade away? I have the right to protect my work, and I will excercise that right when I am ready. Anyone reading this thread that uses this hacked script will never make any money in this business anyway. If they use a stolen script what prevents them from stealing from their trades or sponsors? Nothing, their hands are already dirty. Argue this all you want to, I have to do what I have to do to protect my work. As far as threatening, well I have offered all of this shitheads trades free traffic to delete thier trades with his shitty little TGP, and more than half killed the trades and refused the free traffic offer from me. These guys did what was right. Can you trust a thief? __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

06-13-2003, 09:34 AM	#84
m4tt So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Diaygo, CA Posts: 384	Candyflip, why can't he just change the layout and rename some files? It will end the whole thing... I just don't understand. I love how Choker thinks he has power.. you know industry does not revolve around GFY.

06-13-2003, 09:50 AM	#86
m4tt So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Diaygo, CA Posts: 384	I just took a look at Chokers code and it's obvious now why he is so insecure.

06-13-2003, 09:51 AM	#88
Gothbox Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 140	Turbo Traffic Trader kicks ass Thanks Choker for the kick ass programs you put out. Cant wait for v3.0