CECash Settles With Acacia - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Brujah · 07-03-2003, 11:21 PM

Bling

Mr.Fiction · 07-03-2003, 11:22 PM

mpegposter · 07-03-2003, 11:23 PM

It's certainly nice to see that last year a few people I know made more money than Acacia.

I don't see too many VCs jumping on board even if their portfolio included Yahoo! with 10.8 million in outstanding settlements, $55 mil in hand and a 3000% drop in revenues in the course of a year.

But stranger things have happened. Funny that Acacia bought up the V-chip patents too, guess that wasn't the smartest investment.

What happened in April, the Forbes article said that was the first court deadline.

m0rph3us · 07-03-2003, 11:32 PM

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...threadid=93652

1 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01025 11/05/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. NEW FRONTIER MEDIA
2 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01040 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. NEW DESTINY INTERNET
3 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01041 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. GREYWOOD ENTERTAINME
4 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01042 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. GLOBAL REACH INC
5 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01043 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. LA TOURAINE INC
6 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01044 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. VIVID VIDEO INC
7 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01045 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. SN ENTERTAINMENT
8 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01047 11/08/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. LACE PRODUCTIONS
9 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01048 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. AUDIO COMMUNICATIONS
10 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01049 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. ELECTRA CONTENT
11 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01050 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. THE PEEPING MOEO
12 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01051 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WHITE SAND COMMUNICA
13 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01052 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. DOMAIN GIRLS
14 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01053 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WILD VENTURES LLC
15 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01054 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WICKED INTERACTIVE
16 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01055 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. HOLIO.NET LLC
17 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01056 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. SOFT FOCUS PRODUCT
18 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01057 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. PRECISE ENGINEERING
19 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01058 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. BABE NET
20 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01059 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. NATA INC
21 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01060 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. MATRIX CONTENT INC
22 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01061 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. BUTTERBALLS MCFADDEN
23 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01062 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. EXTREME PRODUCTIONS
24 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01063 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. VS MEDIA INS
25 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01064 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. STREAM FLEX INC
26 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01065 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WEB ZOTIC LLC
27 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 2:2002cv08633 11/12/2002 830
ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. ADEMIA MULTIMEDIA

Guide:

cacdc stands for the U.S. District Court for the CENTRAL District of CALIFORNIA.

The number after the cacdc: is the case number

The date of filings .

Kimmykim · 07-04-2003, 01:11 AM

Oh my goodness, the hypocrisy in this thread is just fucking amazing.

We've got those that are known to turn on everyone they touch talking shit about those that do as they please and don't bother apologizing for it.

Perhaps FM is living in a glass house but he's not the only one throwing stones.

funkmaster · 07-04-2003, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jojojo
So will CECash still allow affiliates that are violating patent infringements? Will they be obligated to hand over a list of their affiliates that are violating Acacia's patents?

... good point, the license says he MUST hand over their names to arcacia.

Kimmykim · 07-04-2003, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster

... good point, the license says he MUST hand over their names to arcacia.

How do you know he has that same license?

John3 · 07-04-2003, 01:32 AM

I think I am going to sue Acacia because the technology they patented is being used to illegally play my copyrighted videos

funkmaster · 07-04-2003, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

How do you know he has that same license?

... that´s right, like all others I do know fuck, maybe his license reads: I pay $10000 per year, but we won´t tell the public.

Kimmykim · 07-04-2003, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster

... that´s right, like all others I do know fuck, maybe his license reads: I pay $10000 per year, but we won´t tell the public.

They could be paying him for all we know lol...

Ron did what he felt to be best for his business, and it is his business.

Maybe it will work, maybe it won't... that's the thing about hindsight.

Brad Mitchell · 07-04-2003, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by John3
I think I am going to sue Acacia because the technology they patented is being used to illegally play my copyrighted videos

I think this is an interesting concept....

Brad

Chris E · 07-04-2003, 05:54 AM

Sorry, very interesting thread and I just wanted to be part of it! Good luck to all those fighting...

Ironhorse · 07-04-2003, 06:16 AM

Fucking Taxman just won't let you be..

Mutt · 07-04-2003, 06:31 AM

Can anybody please explain to me Far-L's point early in this thread?

Far-L seemed to be saying that people who stay on the sideline hoping somehow Acacia misses them for now are worse off then companies like Homegrown and Holio who are putting up a defense. Uh........ if Homegrown loses this case I don't see them being better off than those on the sideline, worse because God knows how much money their legal defense costs are going to be, six figures to start anyway

I don't see Acacia saying if they prevail 'You guys put up a good and noble fight, we're not going to go after you retroactively for the infringments but those guys who just sat on the sidelines, we're going after it all'.

Acacia had Levi by the short and curlies, I really don't think anybody except those companies like Homegrown who are fighting it have a right to criticize him. The old saying 'Until you've walked a mile in that man's shoes' applies.

And for all the people waiting for the ultimate showdown between
Microsoft vs Acacia - get a little legal education, these cases Acacia has against the adult companies will tell the tale. Microsoft and a team of million dollar a year attorneys will have to overturn
on appeal the cases decided between the porn companies and Acacia. Not easy to do, not likely. Acacia went after porners first for alot of reasons, smart ones. We're talking years here before this is over, if Acacia wins these initial cases, it will be game over for many porn companies, when they sue the rest of us to enforce their patent and collect their blood money - 'Uh - can I wait until u sue Microsoft or AOL to see how this all turns out?' ain't gonna cut it.

It seems incredible that these extortionists could be found to have valid patents but when you have companies like Virgin in mainstream and CE in porn deciding discretion is the better part of valor it is fucking scary because you know some very good lawyers have studied Acacia's case extensively and have given their clients advice to settle and pay the license.

who ever thought posting pics of nude chicks on the Internet was going to get this complicated?

thetrog · 07-04-2003, 07:27 AM

I can understand CE's decision. They're obviously hedging their bets.

But it does appear to give some credibility to Acacia's claims.

However, if you look at past precedent, Acacia also got some other licensing money from other patents like the V chip.

But, in the end, they lost most of those cases.

So the game's not over.

goBigtime · 07-04-2003, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thetrog
But, in the end, they lost most of those cases.

So the game's not over.

Then again, they weren't suing "Adult Entertainment" companies either (which Acacia specifically won the right to referr to these companies as during the suit). This lawsuit is going to be going in with a just a little negative publicity on the adult industries side.

All those millions of porn spams that get sent out to anyone and everyone every day, the bad operators that never cancel their members when they request.... could all catch up to the industry right here

I like the example of the guy mowing the other guys section of land in the other thread though... would be cool for the industry if it worked out something like that. ie.. Acacia and the previous patent owners made no claims, and no effort to let anyone know that they were infringing on their patents for ~13 years.. .even while this technology was HIGHLY PUBLICIZED as being in use.

Who knows how this shit will go.

thetrog · 07-04-2003, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

Then again, they weren't suing "Adult Entertainment" companies either (which Acacia specifically won the right to referr to these companies as during the suit). This lawsuit is going to be going in with a just a little negative publicity on the adult industries side.

All those millions of porn spams that get sent out to anyone and everyone every day, the bad operators that never cancel their members when they request.... could all catch up to the industry right here

On the other hand, this isn't like Epoch's MC lawsuit where those issues would be much more relevant to the case.

I don't see those issues coming into play as much with a patent lawsuit, but you never know.

pornJester · 07-04-2003, 07:58 AM

Props to FM for being a good business man. He's got alot more to lose than most of us if Acacia gets their way.

Also props to Homegrown for putting up the good fight.

And for everyone debating in this thread: Thanks it's been a good read.

Now get back to work!

Btw happy 4th fellow Americans

Loch · 07-04-2003, 08:20 AM

I can deffinently see why CE have done this however sad it might be

This might also be what we need to get more to join the fight against Acasia.
This WILL scare a few ppl out of their hole that used to think this was JUST going to blow over.

heads up ITS NOT so get your ass in geer and join the fight!
Dont just sit there and post bullshit about a company that HAD to settle...

Far-L · 07-04-2003, 09:06 AM

Mutt: That is my opinion and conjecture that companies that don't deal with the matter in some way will be worse than companies that do deal with it head on, whether that means challenging the validity or applicability or settling.

BTW, Radio Virgin makes negative cash flow. Their settlement is only indicative of their reluctance to spend money that they did not have.

Cassie · 07-04-2003, 09:19 AM

maybe i missed this skimming thru the thread but how would Acacia know how long you have had streaming video on a membership site/content site/etc?

they are stating that they will go as far back as six years but what is to say a webmaster doesnt fight back stating he/she only put up streaming video a week ago?

how can they prove that?

Far-L · 07-04-2003, 09:42 AM

Cassie: There are many ways. Alexa Way Back Machine comes to mind, but more importantly, you cannot lie. PERIOD.

Cassie · 07-04-2003, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L
Cassie: There are many ways. Alexa Way Back Machine comes to mind, but more importantly, you cannot lie. PERIOD.

I would think the only legal way would be to supeona the hosting companies that webmasters work with both now and in the past. Otherwise everything else is "hear say" for a lack of better wording.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Microsoft the first to come out with streaming technology; ie, netmeeting?

edit: the first comsumer usable technology.

goBigtime · 07-04-2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassie

they are stating that they will go as far back as six years but what is to say a webmaster doesnt fight back stating he/she only put up streaming video a week ago?

how can they prove that?

I'm not sure how it works... but maybe the burden of proof is on the patent infringer?

Either way... what about them getting X% of GROSS....

Like someone said long ago, I'd like to see them try to get X% of Microsoft's gross revenues.

FATPad · 07-04-2003, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassie
maybe i missed this skimming thru the thread but how would Acacia know how long you have had streaming video on a membership site/content site/etc?

they are stating that they will go as far back as six years but what is to say a webmaster doesnt fight back stating he/she only put up streaming video a week ago?

how can they prove that?

Who knows? But if they do prove it and someone committed perjury, it probably won't go well for them.

Cassie · 07-04-2003, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

Like someone said long ago, I'd like to see them try to get X% of Microsoft's gross revenues.

that would be interesting to see how they would approach a company that large!

Raven · 07-04-2003, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L
Support is needed.

As soon as you get a site up, support will be given by us, that's for sure.

Sly_RJ · 07-04-2003, 10:03 AM

Law suit happy Americans that are too fucking stupid and lazy to make their own honest living. Fuck me.

malakajoe · 07-04-2003, 10:35 AM

Did I read somewhere that these guys are sueing Hustler, also?

If Larry Flynt still is the same way he was in the 70's, I think this could be there biggest mistake. I really hope Hustler, along with the rest, fight this one to the fullest.

Or will we see a movie about Far-L and Spike from HomeGrown 10 years from now?

malakajoe · 07-04-2003, 10:43 AM

I think bigger companies and entities like Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo!, Major League Baseball, etc... that all have streaming video or do business with streaming video need to be approached in a way about this that shows down the road, they could be hit hard by this.

Lets say that these malakas win against the adult industry. Now they have a leg to stand on against non-adult companies making money with streaming video. They are playing it smart. Go against the industry that some in America look down on. They win against us, now they have a case to reference against anyone else using streaming video. I wouldn't doubt this is there thought process.

Major League Baseball has a huge campaign going to buy streaming videos of games across the internet. I would think they need to realize they could get hit in the future.

How about the music industry with streaming music videos? Music industry loves lawsuits. They need to be involved to fight this, too.

The sad thing is they probably won't help out because they don't want to be involved with the adult industry. But this could bite them in the ass later, I think.

SleazyDream · 07-04-2003, 10:56 AM

I would like to know if Fantasyman or some holding company of his got stock in Acacia..........

BradShaw · 07-04-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
I would like to know if Fantasyman or some holding company of his got stock in Acacia..........

If I was a betting man, I would say yes. But of course you will never get a straight answer out of Ron Levi.

SleazyDream · 07-04-2003, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw

If I was a betting man, I would say yes. But of course you will never get a straight answer out of Ron Levi.

I don't believe ron would skirt the issue. he has too good a rep to skirt the issue.

so lets ask him and see, it would really clear the air on this issue.

Ron - many people in the industry would like to know. Did you or any of your companies recently accquire any stock in acacia?

Matt 26z · 07-04-2003, 11:37 AM

So basically their entire business depends on suing peole....

Revenues (Units in Thousands of U.S. Dollars $)
Quarter 2002 2003
Q1 0 6
Q2 0 --
Q3 0 --
Q4 43 --

Total 43 6

Cassie · 07-04-2003, 11:47 AM

is this what this country has resorted to....legalized extortion?

honestly, what makes acacia any different then the guy who took down this board (and dont say lawyers cause most of them are more illegal in their ways then a death row inmate at rahway state pen)?

SleazyDream · 07-04-2003, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassie
is this what this country has resorted to....legalized extortion?

honestly, what makes acacia any different then the guy who took down this board (and dont say lawyers cause most of them are more illegal in their ways then a death row inmate at rahway state pen)?

the alternative is letting anyone steal your intellicutial property or not haveing the ability to sell your intellicutial property to anyone.......

as far as I see it (and I fully admit I'm an idiot) the problem with acacia is that there is a lot of rhumors about technology that preceeded it invaladuating their claim. as long as that can be substaintatiated they will loose. if that can't be proven, we're ALL fucked.

Cassie · 07-04-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

as long as that can be substaintatiated they will loose.

the internet has basically been around for 30 or so years (going on 20 for consumers). im an just as clueless as you, but wouldnt it be safe to say that even before multimedia corps and microsoft, et al, that nasa and the governement had some sort of streaming media?

if any of that is correct, then how does a company, such as this one, go after our govt? could they invoke their patents (of what they think to be their patents) on our govt, millitary, space program.....etc?

i cant even believe the courts are hearing these cases or reading the documents to consideer hearing these cases! what a total waste of tax payers money.

i'm going to patent the technique of breathing so everyone from the time they were born will have to pay me for every time they took a breath

SleazyDream · 07-04-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cassie

the internet has basically been around for 30 or so years (going on 20 for consumers). im an just as clueless as you, but wouldnt it be safe to say that even before multimedia corps and microsoft, et al, that nasa and the governement had some sort of streaming media?

if any of that is correct, then how does a company, such as this one, go after our govt? could they invoke their patents (of what they think to be their patents) on our govt, millitary, space program.....etc?

i cant even believe the courts are hearing these cases or reading the documents to consideer hearing these cases! what a total waste of tax payers money.

i'm going to patent the technique of breathing so everyone from the time they were born will have to pay me for every time they took a breath

it's not a matter of SOME sort of streamig media. it's a specific question of the technology behind mpeg video.

fantasyman · 07-04-2003, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I don't believe ron would skirt the issue. he has too good a rep to skirt the issue.

so lets ask him and see, it would really clear the air on this issue.

Ron - many people in the industry would like to know. Did you or any of your companies recently accquire any stock in acacia?

No stock was acquired by anyone or any company with this license.

CECash did not have to identify any vendors or affiliates. CECash will never identify anyone or any company to any company.

This will not effect any payouts or affiliates.

This was done to stop any 'patent infringement' liability going back 6 years which could have been in the low 8 figures. It's an insurance policy for CE.

Acacia has no intention of going after Microsoft as they do not generate revenue with streaming. They're only interested in folks who generate income from streaming.

It's funny how Acacia disclosed CE's license, but didn't disclose the other adult parties who have licensed, read between the lines.

CECash will continue to support the litigation against Acacia and hope those efforts are successful.

SleazyDream · 07-04-2003, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantasyman

No stock was acquired by anyone or any company with this license.

CECash did not have to identify any vendors or affiliates. CECash will never identify anyone or any company to any company.

This will not effect any payouts or affiliates.

This was done to stop any 'patent infringement' liability going back 6 years which could have been in the low 8 figures. It's an insurance policy for CE.

Acacia has no intention of going after Microsoft as they do not generate revenue with streaming. They're only interested in folks who generate income from streaming.

It's funny how Acacia disclosed CE's license, but didn't disclose the other adult parties who have licensed, read between the lines.

CECash will continue to support the litigation against Acacia and hope those efforts are successful.

that statement makes me feel a little better about this.....

Muffy · 07-04-2003, 12:46 PM

Far-L: I would be very interested in asking you some questions about this issue for an article I am going to write for Webmaster Vault. If you are interested please email me at [email protected]. Thanks in advance,

Muffy

John3 · 07-04-2003, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire

I think this is an interesting concept....

Brad

that's not the exact way we 're phrasing it, but we're working on it . . .

JBeagel · 07-04-2003, 02:12 PM

People are forgetting some basics about the way internet porn works...about how internet porn is produced.

Certainly Acacia can shake down the "easy" targets of "institutional" porn. And they (institutional porn) may occasionally settle to protect past profits. But, institutional porn is somewhat bloated with declining profit margins. Institutional porn has a fairly low profit margin compared to "noninstitutional" porn. Penthouse magazine will probably be gone inside of a year.

Internet porn is a very fluid medium, With very easy access to anyone with imagination, and a very level playing field.

UNTIL Acacia can force the issue on Microsoft, and web hosts and e-commerce companies, the internic, and Sony, any college kid with a $500 DV camera and a girlfriend that will suck him off can create the newest POV site, and take in $. And this is currently happening thousands of times every single day.

And surfers do respond to this personal approach. So Acacia shakes down the big guys, but they will be forever playing "whackamole" with the little guys who will continue to rake in fairly big numbers collectively, simply because they CAN produce good quality porn cheaply, get it online cheaply, and collect the money...and this is a kind of porn that surfers DO buy memberships to, and with fairly high conversion ratios---in fact, probably higher conversion ratios than less personal institutional porn can deliver.

In the end the surfers will level the playing field. Acacia will have to tackle Microsoft and wmv. and Sony. And, EVEN if they do, there will be only so much $ they can siphon off, because in the END it is the PURCHASERS of porn who will determine how much total $ there is to siphon off. You have to follow the $ trail.

As they say, the genie is already out of the bottle. IMO Acacia is about 10 years too late coming to the table.

CE might have stepped on their dick settling with Acacia. Because their vast affiliate bunch probably WILL not settle with Acacia. And because their affiliates will not settle with Acacia, they risk losing their affiliate base, or absorbing fees their affiliates would have paid. Most affiliates are not big players with long-term contracts. Most are not "married" to CE Cash. All it takes is the money dynamic to change a little bit, and they abandon ship.

Watch it happen if they are squeezed.

Mutt · 07-04-2003, 02:42 PM

blah blah blah ........... drivel. u just make up this term 'institutional porn'?

Go look at the lawsuits, they weren't all the size of Cybererotica, they went after small fries too.

You seem to be under the impression that if Acacia prevails there is nothing they can do against the masses of smaller webmasters with video on their websites.

They will happily play whackamole all day long with small webmasters should their patents be upheld.

quiet · 07-04-2003, 03:32 PM

Far-L:

please set up a paypal donation link soon. i'd like to help out.

Hooper · 07-04-2003, 04:07 PM

Interesting.

Now i'm certainly inquiring about things that are none of my business.

Quote:

No stock was acquired by anyone or any company with this license.

That sentence seems carefully worded.

What about one of your other companies that did not sign a license? Or you personally?

If you're not comfortable answering i'd certainly understand.

TheFLY · 07-04-2003, 04:34 PM

I figured this would happen --

BUT

Brad Shaw is probably right... Like these lawyers have a fucking clue about the technology. I was downloading video before these guys ever knew what a computer was. If anyone would have first use or patents it would be IBM.

Mark my words -- these lawyers have no clue about first use -- there will be no way to delineate first use. To define video you really have to look at resolution, frame rate, etc... You could go all the way back to Pong with this if you wanted to

. Way before anyone was downloading video by BBS, the academics and research labs were doing video over internal internets, etc. This whole thing is silly. You watch and see this Acacia stuff is all smoke and mirrors.

TheFLY · 07-04-2003, 04:42 PM

I don't know the specifs of Acacia's claims on the technology, but you can't fuck with nerds... This has happened time and time again -- some guy claims that he patented the hyperlink... You know what happened with that one.

This is like one of those urban legends "oh my god the government is going to tax email!"

TheFLY · 07-04-2003, 04:47 PM

Who cares about stock -- even if there was a secret handshake on this deal -- do you really think you would find out about it?

Don't be stupid. Acacia is on the phone with me right now -- they're sending over hookers to keep me quiet!

blackmonsters · 07-04-2003, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John3
I think I am going to sue Acacia because the technology they patented is being used to illegally play my copyrighted videos

That might work. If they claim to own this technology then the porn industry can treat them like napster. Napster merely provided the technology to the copyright violators; Napster
never copied the music themselves.

GO FOR IT!!!!

Remember when the music industry sued to prevent the sale of digital tape machines know as DAT recorders.
It definately has a chance. If they make you pay then sue them so they can't use the technology to violate your copyright.

Their patent seems like bullshit anyway. It's just a sequence of events. If their patent holds up then I will copyright the sequence of events to walk or ride a bike.

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07-03-2003, 11:32 PM	#104
m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...threadid=93652 1 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01025 11/05/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. NEW FRONTIER MEDIA 2 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01040 11/08/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. NEW DESTINY INTERNET 3 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01041 11/08/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. GREYWOOD ENTERTAINME 4 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01042 11/08/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. GLOBAL REACH INC 5 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01043 11/08/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. LA TOURAINE INC 6 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01044 11/08/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. VIVID VIDEO INC 7 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01045 11/08/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. SN ENTERTAINMENT 8 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01047 11/08/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. LACE PRODUCTIONS 9 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01048 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. AUDIO COMMUNICATIONS 10 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01049 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. ELECTRA CONTENT 11 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01050 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH CO vs. THE PEEPING MOEO 12 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01051 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WHITE SAND COMMUNICA 13 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01052 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. DOMAIN GIRLS 14 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01053 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WILD VENTURES LLC 15 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01054 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WICKED INTERACTIVE 16 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01055 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. HOLIO.NET LLC 17 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01056 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. SOFT FOCUS PRODUCT 18 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01057 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. PRECISE ENGINEERING 19 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01058 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. BABE NET 20 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01059 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. NATA INC 21 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01060 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. MATRIX CONTENT INC 22 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01061 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. BUTTERBALLS MCFADDEN 23 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01062 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. EXTREME PRODUCTIONS 24 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01063 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. VS MEDIA INS 25 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01064 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. STREAM FLEX INC 26 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 8:2002cv01065 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. WEB ZOTIC LLC 27 ACACIA MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES CORPORATION cacdc 2:2002cv08633 11/12/2002 830 ACACIA MEDIA TECH vs. ADEMIA MULTIMEDIA Guide: cacdc stands for the U.S. District Court for the CENTRAL District of CALIFORNIA. The number after the cacdc: is the case number The date of filings .

07-04-2003, 01:11 AM	#105
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Oh my goodness, the hypocrisy in this thread is just fucking amazing. We've got those that are known to turn on everyone they touch talking shit about those that do as they please and don't bother apologizing for it. Perhaps FM is living in a glass house but he's not the only one throwing stones.

07-04-2003, 05:54 AM	#112
Chris E Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,895	Sorry, very interesting thread and I just wanted to be part of it! Good luck to all those fighting...

07-04-2003, 06:31 AM	#114
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Can anybody please explain to me Far-L's point early in this thread? Far-L seemed to be saying that people who stay on the sideline hoping somehow Acacia misses them for now are worse off then companies like Homegrown and Holio who are putting up a defense. Uh........ if Homegrown loses this case I don't see them being better off than those on the sideline, worse because God knows how much money their legal defense costs are going to be, six figures to start anyway I don't see Acacia saying if they prevail 'You guys put up a good and noble fight, we're not going to go after you retroactively for the infringments but those guys who just sat on the sidelines, we're going after it all'. Acacia had Levi by the short and curlies, I really don't think anybody except those companies like Homegrown who are fighting it have a right to criticize him. The old saying 'Until you've walked a mile in that man's shoes' applies. And for all the people waiting for the ultimate showdown between Microsoft vs Acacia - get a little legal education, these cases Acacia has against the adult companies will tell the tale. Microsoft and a team of million dollar a year attorneys will have to overturn on appeal the cases decided between the porn companies and Acacia. Not easy to do, not likely. Acacia went after porners first for alot of reasons, smart ones. We're talking years here before this is over, if Acacia wins these initial cases, it will be game over for many porn companies, when they sue the rest of us to enforce their patent and collect their blood money - 'Uh - can I wait until u sue Microsoft or AOL to see how this all turns out?' ain't gonna cut it. It seems incredible that these extortionists could be found to have valid patents but when you have companies like Virgin in mainstream and CE in porn deciding discretion is the better part of valor it is fucking scary because you know some very good lawyers have studied Acacia's case extensively and have given their clients advice to settle and pay the license. who ever thought posting pics of nude chicks on the Internet was going to get this complicated? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-04-2003, 07:27 AM	#115
thetrog Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 157	I can understand CE's decision. They're obviously hedging their bets. But it does appear to give some credibility to Acacia's claims. However, if you look at past precedent, Acacia also got some other licensing money from other patents like the V chip. But, in the end, they lost most of those cases. So the game's not over. Last edited by thetrog; 07-04-2003 at 07:34 AM..

07-04-2003, 07:58 AM	#118
pornJester Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 6,138	Props to FM for being a good business man. He's got alot more to lose than most of us if Acacia gets their way. Also props to Homegrown for putting up the good fight. And for everyone debating in this thread: Thanks it's been a good read. Now get back to work! Btw happy 4th fellow Americans __________________ FreshBucks \| Webmaster Vault \| GayAW Trusted Names in Adult. ICQ 9157.3698

07-04-2003, 08:20 AM	#119
Loch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,674	I can deffinently see why CE have done this however sad it might be This might also be what we need to get more to join the fight against Acasia. This WILL scare a few ppl out of their hole that used to think this was JUST going to blow over. heads up ITS NOT so get your ass in geer and join the fight! Dont just sit there and post bullshit about a company that HAD to settle... __________________ Contact us for Beta store access (4000 HD/SD productions) - Editing - Encoding/Post production ICQ - 277 862 930 E-mail casper /@/ cool-content.com

07-04-2003, 09:06 AM	#120
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Mutt: That is my opinion and conjecture that companies that don't deal with the matter in some way will be worse than companies that do deal with it head on, whether that means challenging the validity or applicability or settling. BTW, Radio Virgin makes negative cash flow. Their settlement is only indicative of their reluctance to spend money that they did not have. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

07-04-2003, 09:19 AM	#121
Cassie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 3,139	maybe i missed this skimming thru the thread but how would Acacia know how long you have had streaming video on a membership site/content site/etc? they are stating that they will go as far back as six years but what is to say a webmaster doesnt fight back stating he/she only put up streaming video a week ago? how can they prove that? __________________ ICQ: 309756847 ]

07-04-2003, 09:42 AM	#122
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Cassie: There are many ways. Alexa Way Back Machine comes to mind, but more importantly, you cannot lie. PERIOD. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

07-04-2003, 10:03 AM	#128
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Law suit happy Americans that are too fucking stupid and lazy to make their own honest living. Fuck me. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

07-04-2003, 10:35 AM	#129
malakajoe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,751	Did I read somewhere that these guys are sueing Hustler, also? If Larry Flynt still is the same way he was in the 70's, I think this could be there biggest mistake. I really hope Hustler, along with the rest, fight this one to the fullest. Or will we see a movie about Far-L and Spike from HomeGrown 10 years from now? __________________ Selfpleasure.com for sale on auction. Closes on Tuesday March 11th at 9pm PST!!!! Dirty enough to be good, but clean enough for everyone! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Moral Police - First graduating class coming soon! - Forcing our values across the internet

07-04-2003, 10:43 AM	#130
malakajoe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,751	I think bigger companies and entities like Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo!, Major League Baseball, etc... that all have streaming video or do business with streaming video need to be approached in a way about this that shows down the road, they could be hit hard by this. Lets say that these malakas win against the adult industry. Now they have a leg to stand on against non-adult companies making money with streaming video. They are playing it smart. Go against the industry that some in America look down on. They win against us, now they have a case to reference against anyone else using streaming video. I wouldn't doubt this is there thought process. Major League Baseball has a huge campaign going to buy streaming videos of games across the internet. I would think they need to realize they could get hit in the future. How about the music industry with streaming music videos? Music industry loves lawsuits. They need to be involved to fight this, too. The sad thing is they probably won't help out because they don't want to be involved with the adult industry. But this could bite them in the ass later, I think. __________________ Selfpleasure.com for sale on auction. Closes on Tuesday March 11th at 9pm PST!!!! Dirty enough to be good, but clean enough for everyone! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Moral Police - First graduating class coming soon! - Forcing our values across the internet

07-04-2003, 10:56 AM	#131
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	I would like to know if Fantasyman or some holding company of his got stock in Acacia.......... __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

07-04-2003, 11:37 AM	#134
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	So basically their entire business depends on suing peole.... Revenues (Units in Thousands of U.S. Dollars $) Quarter 2002 2003 Q1 0 6 Q2 0 -- Q3 0 -- Q4 43 -- Total 43 6

07-04-2003, 11:47 AM	#135
Cassie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 3,139	is this what this country has resorted to....legalized extortion? honestly, what makes acacia any different then the guy who took down this board (and dont say lawyers cause most of them are more illegal in their ways then a death row inmate at rahway state pen)? __________________ ICQ: 309756847 ]

07-04-2003, 12:46 PM	#141
Muffy Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto and Italy Posts: 494	Far-L: I would be very interested in asking you some questions about this issue for an article I am going to write for Webmaster Vault. If you are interested please email me at [email protected]. Thanks in advance, Muffy __________________ How Do I Measure Up? Need Something Written? I do press Releases, Articles, Websites, Marketing Materials, adult stories and more! Email [email protected] for more information

07-04-2003, 02:12 PM	#143
JBeagel Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1	People are forgetting some basics about the way internet porn works...about how internet porn is produced. Certainly Acacia can shake down the "easy" targets of "institutional" porn. And they (institutional porn) may occasionally settle to protect past profits. But, institutional porn is somewhat bloated with declining profit margins. Institutional porn has a fairly low profit margin compared to "noninstitutional" porn. Penthouse magazine will probably be gone inside of a year. Internet porn is a very fluid medium, With very easy access to anyone with imagination, and a very level playing field. UNTIL Acacia can force the issue on Microsoft, and web hosts and e-commerce companies, the internic, and Sony, any college kid with a $500 DV camera and a girlfriend that will suck him off can create the newest POV site, and take in $. And this is currently happening thousands of times every single day. And surfers do respond to this personal approach. So Acacia shakes down the big guys, but they will be forever playing "whackamole" with the little guys who will continue to rake in fairly big numbers collectively, simply because they CAN produce good quality porn cheaply, get it online cheaply, and collect the money...and this is a kind of porn that surfers DO buy memberships to, and with fairly high conversion ratios---in fact, probably higher conversion ratios than less personal institutional porn can deliver. In the end the surfers will level the playing field. Acacia will have to tackle Microsoft and wmv. and Sony. And, EVEN if they do, there will be only so much $ they can siphon off, because in the END it is the PURCHASERS of porn who will determine how much total $ there is to siphon off. You have to follow the $ trail. As they say, the genie is already out of the bottle. IMO Acacia is about 10 years too late coming to the table. CE might have stepped on their dick settling with Acacia. Because their vast affiliate bunch probably WILL not settle with Acacia. And because their affiliates will not settle with Acacia, they risk losing their affiliate base, or absorbing fees their affiliates would have paid. Most affiliates are not big players with long-term contracts. Most are not "married" to CE Cash. All it takes is the money dynamic to change a little bit, and they abandon ship. Watch it happen if they are squeezed.

07-04-2003, 02:42 PM	#144
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	blah blah blah ........... drivel. u just make up this term 'institutional porn'? Go look at the lawsuits, they weren't all the size of Cybererotica, they went after small fries too. You seem to be under the impression that if Acacia prevails there is nothing they can do against the masses of smaller webmasters with video on their websites. They will happily play whackamole all day long with small webmasters should their patents be upheld. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-04-2003, 03:32 PM	#145
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	Far-L: please set up a paypal donation link soon. i'd like to help out.

07-04-2003, 04:34 PM	#147
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I figured this would happen -- BUT Brad Shaw is probably right... Like these lawyers have a fucking clue about the technology. I was downloading video before these guys ever knew what a computer was. If anyone would have first use or patents it would be IBM. Mark my words -- these lawyers have no clue about first use -- there will be no way to delineate first use. To define video you really have to look at resolution, frame rate, etc... You could go all the way back to Pong with this if you wanted to . Way before anyone was downloading video by BBS, the academics and research labs were doing video over internal internets, etc. This whole thing is silly. You watch and see this Acacia stuff is all smoke and mirrors.

07-04-2003, 04:42 PM	#148
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I don't know the specifs of Acacia's claims on the technology, but you can't fuck with nerds... This has happened time and time again -- some guy claims that he patented the hyperlink... You know what happened with that one. This is like one of those urban legends "oh my god the government is going to tax email!"

07-04-2003, 04:47 PM	#149
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Who cares about stock -- even if there was a secret handshake on this deal -- do you really think you would find out about it? Don't be stupid. Acacia is on the phone with me right now -- they're sending over hookers to keep me quiet!