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BradShaw · 07-10-2003, 03:21 PM

Who has the balls to do a $75 per trial day tomorrow, just for the hell of it?

rocki · 07-10-2003, 03:21 PM

you'll be seeing payout changes with TCG as well soon

Mr.Fiction · 07-10-2003, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
Who has the balls to do a $75 per trial day tomorrow, just for the hell of it?

Pretty soon the big promotion will be:

$40 per no-trial signup, one day only!

a2000 · 07-10-2003, 03:36 PM

ok, per signup programs will be lower in next few weeks, cross sales will be removed and memberships lowered also within few weeks or this will wait util October ?

http · 07-10-2003, 03:40 PM

Nice... good news

Kappy · 07-10-2003, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a2000
ok, per signup programs will be lower in next few weeks, cross sales will be removed and memberships lowered also within few weeks or this will wait util October ?

very good question!

PowerCum · 07-10-2003, 03:53 PM

All this has got me a very good idea

Will wait untill MasterCard shows the new policy and some time to see how the things are going.
This sounds like a gold mine to me

Hope MasterCard will put some kind of policy similar to the Visa one.

It's not about the chargebacks and other stuff like free trials. In my opinion it's the entire business model itself.

Pornkings · 07-10-2003, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

changes need to be made to the chargeback process. the whole system just assfucks everybody in this industry. visa and mastercard aren't changing the real problem.

Most of the chargebacks come from fraudulant webmasters.
screwing programs.

the surfers know what to expect our chargebacks are way under 1% because we keep a close Eye on our fraudulant affiliates

Platinum Dave · 07-10-2003, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a2000
ok, per signup programs will be lower in next few weeks, cross sales will be removed and memberships lowered also within few weeks or this will wait util October ?

October is when all companies need to be in compliance with Visa 1% charge back rule.

These new payout changes will start taking affect across many companies starting tomorrow and over the next few weeks months.

Each company is different

a2000 · 07-10-2003, 04:15 PM

"Each company is different"

of course, but I'm asking companies that are announcing lower payouts within next few weeks ;)

TheGoldenChild · 07-10-2003, 04:19 PM

This definitely evens the playing field.

I smell opportunity for a lot of people.

"It ain't over til it's over."...

-Lenny Kravitz

Pornkings · 07-10-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
Who has the balls to do a $75 per trial day tomorrow, just for the hell of it?

shit if it gets everyone to try out our Porn4aBuck program I will.

This hasn't effected us much at all. other then removing our free trial programs which we just launced not to long ago. so they will probably be removed this week.

so heads up to all our webmasters switch your links to our Porn4aBuck,paid trial or SunnyMoney I will be sending out a news letter shortly before it happens

Now you see why we have a $1 trial for a month

djpsports · 07-10-2003, 04:24 PM

Did anybody here that there is a new form of billing out there recurring phone billing.....Charge backs are not regulated by visa or master card

Give me a call if you?re interested
954 263 4026 DJP

WiredGuy · 07-10-2003, 04:25 PM

I would like to commend Mike and Marc for standing up and telling webmasters about the changes that will be happening. We definitely appreciate the heads-up notice given the time constraints you guys have to become compliant.

Obviously these matters are to be taken quite seriously and everyone from the sponsors to webmasters will definitely feel the changes in the upcoming weeks.

I for one will be severly effected on the media buys we do with the search engines so I sincerely hope for the best with the changes to come to this industry.

WG

Sharky · 07-10-2003, 04:27 PM

LAMike - This took BALLS to come out and post first .

The same with Epoch. This has been a long time coming, and while it will effect many webmasters initial income, It will help us in the long run.

Rick 25% loss is a big one, especially for the amount of $$ you are referring to.

We will be seeing more Partnership progies come out, I'm sure. However, be cautious on who you use... If the paysite owner isn't on top of things.. their chargeback ratio could get out of hand, and take all your recurring with it.

BradShaw · 07-10-2003, 04:38 PM

I do not think partner programs are an answer for most webmasters. I could give a lenghty explanation but I have to head to dinner.

psyko514 · 07-10-2003, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

changes need to be made to the chargeback process. the whole system just assfucks everybody in this industry. visa and mastercard aren't changing the real problem.

can you suggest a cheap and effective method to prove that the guy who signed up for the website is the same guy who owns the credit card used?

psyko514 · 07-10-2003, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

And I'm sure the $39.99 rebill had no impact on the situation.

Weren't you a big advocate of free trials?

Mr.Fiction · 07-10-2003, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
I do not think partner programs are an answer for most webmasters. I could give a lenghty explanation but I have to head to dinner.

Post your opinion on why partnerships aren't going to take over after you're done eating.

johnny5 · 07-10-2003, 04:49 PM

maybe it would be a good idea for the sponsers to show in our stats when we get chargebacks and possibly the refffering url of the chargeback. then we could find out what exactly we are doing that is or is not causing them. in turn our payouts could go back up :x

Quentin · 07-10-2003, 05:08 PM

Mike, great job of stating the case for what has to happen in response to the new visa regs - hats off for stepping up and being the first to take the plunge.

TopBucks will also be reducing payouts, for all the same reasons already listed. We haven't decided on a precise time table yet, but we will be announcing the exact date and new payout rates in the very near future.

- Q.

Mr.Fiction · 07-10-2003, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnny5
maybe it would be a good idea for the sponsers to show in our stats when we get chargebacks and possibly the refffering url of the chargeback. then we could find out what exactly we are doing that is or is not causing them. in turn our payouts could go back up :x

This has been mentioned before and it is a great idea.

Many affiliates who have a lot of traffic get it from 1000 different places and knowing which places are causing problems could be an important tool in fighting chargebacks.

Some sponsors still don't even show signup referring URL's, though, so what are the odds they'll be able to get up to speed on something like this?

BlackCrayon · 07-10-2003, 05:17 PM

i can see sponsors cancelling accounts of those affilates who bring them chargebacks.

Undutchable · 07-10-2003, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Post your opinion on why partnerships aren't going to take over after you're done eating.

I agree, very curious

Dravyk · 07-10-2003, 05:25 PM

Just want to add my voice to the chorus:

Well done, Mike and Marc as being the first to say the difficult words and make the tough decisions!!

Should be a couple of very interesting months ahead.

Jman Sweet · 07-10-2003, 05:33 PM

Mike, you da man. I thaughtmy boss was the only one with Brass Balls buy suing the city of Vancouver but then again looks like you have as well... Cheers bro.

As per Everyone changing there business model well I beleive that a good pr\ortion will have to do but not all.

Brad come on and shove that lobster down I really want to ear what you gotta say about rev share as well.

We been doing rev share since 1997 and per sign up since January. Most of our bigger affiliates have been sending to rev share, some of them for over 5 years without even considering going on a Sign up deal, guess they must be real confortable with the money they are making ... Eh? ( that's my canadian accent )

Anna_O · 07-10-2003, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
I do not think partner programs are an answer for most webmasters. I could give a lenghty explanation but I have to head to dinner.

Pleasy hurry back and explain why you don't believe in partner programs...

smoo · 07-10-2003, 05:40 PM

With the Sweets - revshares where its at!"
-smoo gregpix.com.smootopia.com

John3 · 07-10-2003, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
This definitely evens the playing field.

I smell opportunity for a lot of people.

"It ain't over til it's over."...

-Lenny Kravitz

Exactly. I'm having second thoughts about my retirement

BlackCrayon · 07-10-2003, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anna_O

Pleasy hurry back and explain why you don't believe in partner programs...

i don't know fuck all compared to brad but one definate downside to partnerships now is that if they go over the CB rate too much and are shut down, there go all the rebills. its not fun to start all over. i haven't used partnership proggies in years but im gonna give some a try now, just gotta choose wisely i guess.

CoolE · 07-10-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wilbo
With payouts from PPS programs shrinking it makes more sense than ever to just use partnership programs with 3rd party billing.

Exactly. This is good for "indy" sites (aka one-site operations). I run one at (true) 50% partnership, and my affiliates make, on average, $27.50 per sign-up. Suddenly VERY competitive. And most of us indy sites have cb ratios well below 1% now so it business as usual.

I'm surprised frankly to hear that the big programs can't maintain $30 payouts AND a 1% cb. There's still all sorts of advantages that the big programs have over the indy sites that have no effect on cb ratios.

Maybe some of the big programs will opt for partnership over reducing pps payouts?

gothweb · 07-10-2003, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

i don't know fuck all compared to brad but one definate downside to partnerships now is that if they go over the CB rate too much and are shut down, there go all the rebills. its not fun to start all over. i haven't used partnership proggies in years but im gonna give some a try now, just gotta choose wisely i guess.

On the other hand, partnership programs don't use the same scam tactics to remain profitable, so the chances of a revshare program getting shut down is much smaller.

Jman Sweet · 07-10-2003, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

i don't know fuck all compared to brad but one definate downside to partnerships now is that if they go over the CB rate too much and are shut down, there go all the rebills. its not fun to start all over. i haven't used partnership proggies in years but im gonna give some a try now, just gotta choose wisely i guess.

Yup choose wisely by picking up someone that as been doing it for a long time without shutting down... EVER !!!

Anna_O · 07-10-2003, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

i don't know fuck all compared to brad but one definate downside to partnerships now is that if they go over the CB rate too much and are shut down, there go all the rebills. its not fun to start all over. i haven't used partnership proggies in years but im gonna give some a try now, just gotta choose wisely i guess.

Good point... But with these rules I bet we'll see a few PPS get shut down too.

Yo Adrian · 07-10-2003, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anna_O

Good point... But with these rules I bet we'll see a few PPS get shut down too.

Hey there Anna_O you sexy swede

I don't know about PPS getting shut down, there's alot of things even small site owners can do to lower cb%'s....honest advertising, good customer service and of course proactive fraud control all play a big role in reducing cb's.

docjohnson · 07-10-2003, 06:00 PM

Well there goes the PPC game. There's no way I can maintain a worthwhile ROI with payouts like that. I think we'll see this 1% chargeback issue effect mainstream programs like google adwords.

greentea · 07-10-2003, 06:02 PM

change is good

Rorschach · 07-10-2003, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by docjohnson
Well there goes the PPC game. There's no way I can maintain a worthwhile ROI with payouts like that. I think we'll see this 1% chargeback issue effect mainstream programs like google adwords.

I agree - although it's possible that some bidders will drop out and we'll see bids settle to a lower level. Maybe this will be the motivation to mine for those ultra-obscure keyphrases too.

thefreakybeaver · 07-10-2003, 06:18 PM

I never ran a paysite and don't know the "secrets" to making money off having one but I do have some questions. Now don't jump down my throat, I think they are very fair questions to ask.

If the webmasters are taking a $10 per sign up cut in their pay, are these paysite operators also getting that $10 (average) cut in each signup. What I mean is are they still getting richer by the day while us webmasters are taking a cut in our pay?

Also I can't swallow the idea that joe surfer looks at his credit card statement and sees $39.99/month and says "FUCK THIS I'M CHARGING BACK" But a charge of $29.99 is okay and he won't charge it back. If he got scammed into it, he'd charge back no matter what the amount was wouldn't he?

After reading the post about the $39.99/month PLUS the $30/month and $40/month cross sell "SCAM" which is what it is if the boxes are already checked. No wonder so many ppl charge back. Why would somone pay $110/month for porn which they were tricked into in the first place?

Someone commented that it's mostly fraudulent webmasters that cause the chargebacks, won't they still do it if it's only $29.99/month to join the site as opposed to $39.99? So the change in the pricing for the site in general makes no sense to me.

Now that some of the bigger programs announced their $10 less per signup, I think others will just go with this figure even if they could carry on their biz with only cutting $5 per signup but now they know they "CAN" cut $10 per signup because others are.

Just some questions I've been thinking about again, do NOT jump down my throat, I'm just looking for a discussion on this to enlighten me as well as others that probably don't get "the paysite game"

Anyone have any comments on what kind of traffic usually causes the most chargebacks? Is tgp traffic worse for chargebacks than avs sites etc?

bigdog · 07-10-2003, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by docjohnson
Well there goes the PPC game. There's no way I can maintain a worthwhile ROI with payouts like that. I think we'll see this 1% chargeback issue effect mainstream programs like google adwords.

not really just bids are going to have to be lower, and engines that have min bids are going to have lower then

docjohnson · 07-10-2003, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog

not really just bids are going to have to be lower, and engines that have min bids are going to have lower then

Yea I'm sure google or overture will lower bids because a few porn sites are lowering their webmaster payouts...Cum'on Think Mc'Fly.

ThePornGuy · 07-10-2003, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thefreakybeaver
I never ran a paysite and don't know the "secrets" to making money off having one but I do have some questions. Now don't jump down my throat, I think they are very fair questions to ask.

If the webmasters are taking a $10 per sign up cut in their pay, are these paysite operators also getting that $10 (average) cut in each signup. What I mean is are they still getting richer by the day while us webmasters are taking a cut in our pay?

Also I can't swallow the idea that joe surfer looks at his credit card statement and sees $39.99/month and says "FUCK THIS I'M CHARGING BACK" But a charge of $29.99 is okay and he won't charge it back. If he got scammed into it, he'd charge back no matter what the amount was wouldn't he?

After reading the post about the $39.99/month PLUS the $30/month and $40/month cross sell "SCAM" which is what it is if the boxes are already checked. No wonder so many ppl charge back. Why would somone pay $110/month for porn which they were tricked into in the first place?

Someone commented that it's mostly fraudulent webmasters that cause the chargebacks, won't they still do it if it's only $29.99/month to join the site as opposed to $39.99? So the change in the pricing for the site in general makes no sense to me.

Now that some of the bigger programs announced their $10 less per signup, I think others will just go with this figure even if they could carry on their biz with only cutting $5 per signup but now they know they "CAN" cut $10 per signup because others are.

Just some questions I've been thinking about again, do NOT jump down my throat, I'm just looking for a discussion on this to enlighten me as well as others that probably don't get "the paysite game"

Anyone have any comments on what kind of traffic usually causes the most chargebacks? Is tgp traffic worse for chargebacks than avs sites etc?

Good questions

ThePornGuy · 07-10-2003, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThePornGuy

Good questions

And why are you changing next week if the visa change is effective october 1st?

GTS Mark · 07-10-2003, 06:57 PM

Boy oh boy, this will be an interesting fall.

DH

quiet · 07-10-2003, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThePornGuy

And why are you changing next week if the visa change is effective october 1st?

because cb's do not show up for months after the initial charge.

lawked · 07-10-2003, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
the sky is falling

http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers/index.html

Do you always troll?

Someone posts valued info and you post a smart ass reply.

Way to go sport, you're doing your job

modF · 07-10-2003, 07:19 PM

CPC is coming back baby.

Hooper · 07-10-2003, 07:47 PM

Instead of repeating what has already been said. I'll be quick & concise.

Ditto. It's time that payouts went down.

Shap · 07-10-2003, 07:50 PM

It's about damn time. You guys have been scamming surfers for years. It's time for it to end. Every big company treats the surfer like the enemy. "Fuck them get their money." What type of way is that to treat your clients? Had you treated your clients with respect and honestly we'd all be making lots more for many years to come. Instead those few pricks are cashing out and leaving us to deal with their mess. Thanks!

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a2000 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 62	ok, per signup programs will be lower in next few weeks, cross sales will be removed and memberships lowered also within few weeks or this will wait util October ?

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http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	Nice... good news

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a2000 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 62	"Each company is different" of course, but I'm asking companies that are announcing lower payouts within next few weeks ;)

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,452	I would like to commend Mike and Marc for standing up and telling webmasters about the changes that will be happening. We definitely appreciate the heads-up notice given the time constraints you guys have to become compliant. Obviously these matters are to be taken quite seriously and everyone from the sponsors to webmasters will definitely feel the changes in the upcoming weeks. I for one will be severly effected on the media buys we do with the search engines so I sincerely hope for the best with the changes to come to this industry. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	LAMike - This took BALLS to come out and post first . The same with Epoch. This has been a long time coming, and while it will effect many webmasters initial income, It will help us in the long run. Rick 25% loss is a big one, especially for the amount of $$ you are referring to. We will be seeing more Partnership progies come out, I'm sure. However, be cautious on who you use... If the paysite owner isn't on top of things.. their chargeback ratio could get out of hand, and take all your recurring with it. __________________ Sharky

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BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I do not think partner programs are an answer for most webmasters. I could give a lenghty explanation but I have to head to dinner. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

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johnny5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: i.e. - biatches Posts: 291	maybe it would be a good idea for the sponsers to show in our stats when we get chargebacks and possibly the refffering url of the chargeback. then we could find out what exactly we are doing that is or is not causing them. in turn our payouts could go back up :x __________________ sincerely, me

07-10-2003, 05:08 PM	#72
Quentin Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,280	Mike, great job of stating the case for what has to happen in response to the new visa regs - hats off for stepping up and being the first to take the plunge. TopBucks will also be reducing payouts, for all the same reasons already listed. We haven't decided on a precise time table yet, but we will be announcing the exact date and new payout rates in the very near future. - Q. __________________ Q. Boyer

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	i can see sponsors cancelling accounts of those affilates who bring them chargebacks.

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Jman Sweet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 162	Mike, you da man. I thaughtmy boss was the only one with Brass Balls buy suing the city of Vancouver but then again looks like you have as well... Cheers bro. As per Everyone changing there business model well I beleive that a good pr\ortion will have to do but not all. Brad come on and shove that lobster down I really want to ear what you gotta say about rev share as well. We been doing rev share since 1997 and per sign up since January. Most of our bigger affiliates have been sending to rev share, some of them for over 5 years without even considering going on a Sign up deal, guess they must be real confortable with the money they are making ... Eh? ( that's my canadian accent ) __________________ My ICQ 124588247 BP4L... and if you don't... GFY

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thefreakybeaver Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 296	I never ran a paysite and don't know the "secrets" to making money off having one but I do have some questions. Now don't jump down my throat, I think they are very fair questions to ask. If the webmasters are taking a $10 per sign up cut in their pay, are these paysite operators also getting that $10 (average) cut in each signup. What I mean is are they still getting richer by the day while us webmasters are taking a cut in our pay? Also I can't swallow the idea that joe surfer looks at his credit card statement and sees $39.99/month and says "FUCK THIS I'M CHARGING BACK" But a charge of $29.99 is okay and he won't charge it back. If he got scammed into it, he'd charge back no matter what the amount was wouldn't he? After reading the post about the $39.99/month PLUS the $30/month and $40/month cross sell "SCAM" which is what it is if the boxes are already checked. No wonder so many ppl charge back. Why would somone pay $110/month for porn which they were tricked into in the first place? Someone commented that it's mostly fraudulent webmasters that cause the chargebacks, won't they still do it if it's only $29.99/month to join the site as opposed to $39.99? So the change in the pricing for the site in general makes no sense to me. Now that some of the bigger programs announced their $10 less per signup, I think others will just go with this figure even if they could carry on their biz with only cutting $5 per signup but now they know they "CAN" cut $10 per signup because others are. Just some questions I've been thinking about again, do NOT jump down my throat, I'm just looking for a discussion on this to enlighten me as well as others that probably don't get "the paysite game" Anyone have any comments on what kind of traffic usually causes the most chargebacks? Is tgp traffic worse for chargebacks than avs sites etc?

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Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	It's about damn time. You guys have been scamming surfers for years. It's time for it to end. Every big company treats the surfer like the enemy. "Fuck them get their money." What type of way is that to treat your clients? Had you treated your clients with respect and honestly we'd all be making lots more for many years to come. Instead those few pricks are cashing out and leaving us to deal with their mess. Thanks! Last edited by Shap; 07-10-2003 at 08:01 PM..