I have been in this business for ten years and I still don't understand... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

onlymovies · 02-19-2005, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $tandaman

KRL beat me to it.

If you build it.. they will come.. it's true if you have a QUALITY PRODUCT.

Here are my thoughts Marty:

If you are pitching Quality, people will consider it a great opportunity.
But if you are trying to sell shit.. everyone will consider it SPAM.

well said

oh, and 50 spamming products

Prof.Dr. Den · 02-19-2005, 05:32 AM

more , gimme more
i like drama :D

mardigras · 02-19-2005, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike33

Does this happen to you often? I mean phone call rather then email for starters?

Shoot, I get so many unsolicited phone calls from whois spammers it's not even funny. The last domain I registered I had someone leave a message on my machine in reference to it a day and a half later.

shann · 02-19-2005, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

why the ass kissing protocol? are some ranked above others, that they don't have to hear those beneath them in the pecking order? i think alot fo this ego shit in this biz is retarded and keeps people from working together. i would suggest everyone drop their fucking egos and get on with the important shit.

your bank accounts will thank you. gees sometimes its like high school in this business.

Well said.

Michael O · 02-19-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyVP

how you are suppose to market your product without being flamed.

I understand you can purchase advertising and buy sigs and purchase opt-in newsletters etc..

but what i don't get is how do companies hire salesmen to sell for them without getting flamed. What tactics do salesmen use without being called "SPAMMERS"?

What is the right way to approach anyone about a product or service as a salesmen in this industry?

It seems as if anytime someone from our company hits anyone up on ICQ or emails them about a product or offer, its called SPAM.

Please, someone, anyone, tell me how any salesmen is suppose to market a product or service in this faceless industry of ours without being flamed.

Show me the steps, iI have no ego problems, I am willing to learn.

Marty

If its an expensive product like I guess the program in your sig is there are a limited number of buyers and you treat like any other business call them and set up an appointment, then either meeting them in person or talking to them on the phone.

If its for videopasscash I agree with TeenGoodFather have a person surf some sites take notes and mail the site owners with a personal mail, do a little checking so you don´t mail the webmaster that owns 20 sites 20 times.
Other things buy advertising on gallery submitters, on big tgp/mgps on the confirmation page after the submission goes thru. I always see the ad on Shemp.com for example.
Hire some board whores so everytime someone ask about a program with epassporte payout your link is spammed, or for hosted movie galleries and other topics where your program might fit in but make sure its someone who actually knows what they are doing and can speak/write english. Have some small contests on boards don´t have to be much just enough to get the attention of people and a couple of Ipods seems to do the trick these days make sure they are signed up to VPC before they are eligible to win. There are many small things you can do to brand your program and even with a limited advertisement budget results can be great.
Don´t know if it was for VPC you wanted info so I´ll stop here instead of going on for hours

Rui · 02-19-2005, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyVP

Oh boy, here we go again with verbal Judo.

haha thats a new one

/me takes note

-

As for the topic, its a bit hard to answer...I mean if there is something most (normal) webmasters are sick of is getting spammed

Johny Traffic · 02-19-2005, 09:26 AM

Spamming is very bad and anoying especially when its completely un related to what you want, asked for or need. Im very much against it

SEE MY SIG PLEASE EVERYONE

Der Schleicher · 02-19-2005, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

verbal judo, haha i like that

why not verbal aikido instead?.

Johny Traffic · 02-19-2005, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Schleicher

why not verbal aikido instead?.

More like verbal origami with the nerds round here

martyVP · 02-19-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFPdude

Welcome to what I discussed with you on the phone a few weeks back. Maybe some of what I said makes sense now?

There is professional sales people on here that know how to sell without being accused of spamming or soliciting the wrong people. Knowing who they are is a different story.

Where have you been?

JFPdude · 02-19-2005, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyVP

Where have you been?

Been here everyday posting. Ask the crowd they are asking to have me banned already LOL

martyVP · 02-19-2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFPdude

Been here everyday posting. Ask the crowd they are asking to have me banned already LOL

We are still on about what we talked about right?

We are very close.

TDF · 02-19-2005, 11:54 AM

Theres A Diference Between Selling And Spamming..and Most Of The Time The Difference Is Good Ole Cut And Paste And Plain Simple Market Reputation

Alex · 02-19-2005, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VideoJ

Marketing a $40k VOD system to this audience is like marketing new Mercedes at the welfare office. You aren't going to find too many interested buyers

God, you couldnt be more incorrect.

And marty cut with the bs. You know damn well how to market sites/products. You've been doind a good job @ it the past two months.

With threads such as
" How do you think i sould market VOD"
In which you find it necessary to include a full detailed description of your product when no one asks.

Or

"How much should we sell Prodnix for"
You are really going to take advice from someone who posts on GFY? No you knew wht it cost to create it and you know how much you are selling for. Its Creative Spam.

"Affiliate Programs and Movie Sites with WMV Content...Did you know that you could"
Use Prodnix.... Blah Blah

"I offer the biggest webmaster pay-per-sale pay-out ever seen in the industry"
Just sell my 25k product Prodnix

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=429148
My Fave:What is the best way to market a new technology product to webmasters in your opinion

Are you going to create a similar thread every week?

Its all very very cleaver, but stop acting an idiot.

martyVP · 02-19-2005, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaliboy2g

God, you couldnt be more incorrect.

And marty cut with the bs. You know damn well how to market sites/products. You've been doind a good job @ it the past two months.

With threads such as
" How do you think i sould market VOD"
In which you find it necessary to include a full detailed description of your product when no one asks.

Or

"How much should we sell Prodnix for"
You are really going to take advice from someone who posts on GFY? No you knew wht it cost to create it and you know how much you are selling for. Its Creative Spam.

"Affiliate Programs and Movie Sites with WMV Content...Did you know that you could"
Use Prodnix.... Blah Blah

"I offer the biggest webmaster pay-per-sale pay-out ever seen in the industry"
Just sell my 25k product Prodnix

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=429148
My Fave:What is the best way to market a new technology product to webmasters in your opinion

Are you going to create a similar thread every week?

Its all very very cleaver, but stop acting an idiot.

What are you my fucking stalker?

Entropy · 02-19-2005, 12:25 PM

I think this thread answered your question...you're covertly marketing your program right now and not getting flamed...

martyVP · 02-19-2005, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entropy

I think this thread answered your question...you're covertly marketing your program right now and not getting flamed...

HMMMMM....I think i see it now.

martyVP · 02-19-2005, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B40

I think Marty is asking about emailing/ICQing people..."It seems as if anytime someone from our company hits anyone up on ICQ or emails them about a product or offer, its called SPAM."

Very diff from posting threads on here. Like I said in an earlier post, announcement threads are fine, as long as it doesn't get out of hand like the same announcement every day.

got your email

Xplicit · 02-19-2005, 03:40 PM

Stop being a fucking low-budget cheapskate and do some contests and giveaways.

Prof.Dr. Den · 02-19-2005, 03:43 PM

indeed its a good idea

Rick Latona · 02-19-2005, 03:49 PM

You can spam me whenever you want, Marty.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-19-2005, 03:53 PM

I do consulting on such things.
I've said it before, I like yu Marty your a good guy.

Selling to webmasters on Public boards comes LAST.
I do think it is like selling a Mercedes in the welfare office when resorting to sell to board audiences.

Ya put news in AVN? XBIZ? KLIXXX? Or other offline mediums yet?
Ya talk with other affiliates programs or companies that have a bank of webmaster's to place an add within cmmunicated emails?
Score out some SE traffic and direct traffic for business to the site that introduces your software to potential buyers?
You selling this prduct will most likely be to new peeps in this business or video companies in the Valley, reach out to them guys, the video companies in SFV alone can yield grips of sales if done right.

Oh and find some sales guy to tend the boards while you wrk every possible deal to the bone without being distracted

Fuck the people here, Most of em I do not give a mother fuck about anyways and attempting to get there love and any respect is VERY Pointless. Why do you think I enjoy lighting em up once in a while?

pornstar2pac · 02-19-2005, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyVP

Oh boy, here we go again with verbal Judo.

verbal Judo.

that's a new phase I will be posting all the time now

polish_aristocrat · 02-19-2005, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornstar2pac

verbal Judo.

that's a new phase I will be posting all the time now

no pun intended

Marcus Aurelius · 02-19-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyVP

Oh boy, here we go again with verbal Judo.

Careful some of the keyboard warriors here practice 24/7

Persius · 02-19-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

Spamming is very bad and anoying especially when its completely un related to what you want, asked for or need. Im very much against it

SEE MY SIG PLEASE EVERYONE

RogerV · 02-19-2005, 04:42 PM

Marty the best way to spam without getting flamed is to do a contest pay a few bucks so the newbie's can buy there beer.

Don't worry about the flamers either. it's the lurkers your trying to reach.

One last thing what works best for me was picking up the phone. Which i know you do...

Change up your approach to appeal to different people.

Your a good guy I don't get it either sometimes. don't sweat the small things.

martyVP · 02-19-2005, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Latona

You can spam me whenever you want, Marty.

Now thats a true friend

tony286 · 02-19-2005, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Other Steve

Perhaps you need to look at how salesmen in off line industries approach potential clients. Maybe your sales people need to set up an 'appointment' to talk to the webmasters.

Perhaps you need to offer a few beads and mirrors like pharmaceutical companies do to doctors - few people read what they think are spam emails and people don't like being bugged on ICQ so think outside this industry's box and see how sales people in other industries work their market.

The online adult world is not the real world , when I worked for a mainstream dotcom I increased sales dramatically because the guys before just emailed companies .I found phone numbers and made calls, most in adult online are afraid of the phone and they consider trying to reach them online spam so its kinda fucked. Your not dealing with real business people for the most part lol.

martyVP · 02-20-2005, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

Marty the best way to spam without getting flamed is to do a contest pay a few bucks so the newbie's can buy there beer.

Don't worry about the flamers either. it's the lurkers your trying to reach.

One last thing what works best for me was picking up the phone. Which i know you do...

Change up your approach to appeal to different people.

Your a good guy I don't get it either sometimes. don't sweat the small things.

Thanks Roger...I wish you the best in all you do.

Mr. Jim · 02-20-2005, 04:16 AM

Marty...

I think several will be humbled when they discover what you have accomplished in this industry.

I would like to talk to you about doing something and i know last week we were suppose to discuss some things and you have my apology for not getting back to you it is a pretty hectic time right now.....

I have some ideas....may work....may not

martyVP · 02-20-2005, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimholio

Marty...

I think several will be humbled when they discover what you have accomplished in this industry.

I would like to talk to you about doing something and i know last week we were suppose to discuss some things and you have my apology for not getting back to you it is a pretty hectic time right now.....

I have some ideas....may work....may not

lETS TALK BRO...HIT ME UP

wimpy · 02-20-2005, 12:38 PM

The difference between spam and a sales pitch is how quickly you can convince the listener that you have something he wants.

In my experience, you have about 5 seconds to accomplish that.

That's via phone. If it's e, you won't get past the spam filter unless you can fit his full name, domain name, and a concise sales pitch into the subject. THEN the body of the e must quickly expound on the sales pitch.

With e, I'll guess that IF you convince him to open your e with a great subject, you then have about 5 seconds to convince him to continue reading. With luck, you'll get about a 3% response rate, and that's with every e being custom crafted.

I don't bother with e anymore, I phone.

Biggy2 · 02-20-2005, 12:49 PM

If your product is good, it will market itself (for the most part).

martyVP · 02-20-2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy2

If your product is good, it will market itself (for the most part).

Ya, once it has momentum that is.

02-19-2005, 09:26 AM	#57
Johny Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,461	Spamming is very bad and anoying especially when its completely un related to what you want, asked for or need. Im very much against it SEE MY SIG PLEASE EVERYONE __________________ hosted flv's, hosted galleries, morphing rss feeds, free content, free sites, hosted blog

02-19-2005, 11:54 AM	#63
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	Theres A Diference Between Selling And Spamming..and Most Of The Time The Difference Is Good Ole Cut And Paste And Plain Simple Market Reputation __________________ Sig heil

02-19-2005, 12:25 PM	#66
Entropy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 4,128	I think this thread answered your question...you're covertly marketing your program right now and not getting flamed... __________________ The Gay Market Is Where The Money's At! AlleyBucks Is The Queer Eye For Straight Webmaster Guys CCBill Based Affiliate Program With Hosted Galleries ICQ: 226-359-635

02-19-2005, 03:49 PM	#71
Rick Latona The Best Ideas Start Here Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,037	You can spam me whenever you want, Marty. __________________ Regards, Rick Latona http://latonas.com Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

02-19-2005, 03:53 PM	#72
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I do consulting on such things. I've said it before, I like yu Marty your a good guy. Selling to webmasters on Public boards comes LAST. I do think it is like selling a Mercedes in the welfare office when resorting to sell to board audiences. Ya put news in AVN? XBIZ? KLIXXX? Or other offline mediums yet? Ya talk with other affiliates programs or companies that have a bank of webmaster's to place an add within cmmunicated emails? Score out some SE traffic and direct traffic for business to the site that introduces your software to potential buyers? You selling this prduct will most likely be to new peeps in this business or video companies in the Valley, reach out to them guys, the video companies in SFV alone can yield grips of sales if done right. Oh and find some sales guy to tend the boards while you wrk every possible deal to the bone without being distracted Fuck the people here, Most of em I do not give a mother fuck about anyways and attempting to get there love and any respect is VERY Pointless. Why do you think I enjoy lighting em up once in a while? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-19-2005, 05:32 AM	#52
Prof.Dr. Den Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .de Posts: 442	more , gimme more i like drama :D

02-19-2005, 03:40 PM	#69
Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	Stop being a fucking low-budget cheapskate and do some contests and giveaways.

02-19-2005, 03:43 PM	#70
Prof.Dr. Den Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .de Posts: 442	indeed its a good idea

02-19-2005, 04:42 PM	#77
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Marty the best way to spam without getting flamed is to do a contest pay a few bucks so the newbie's can buy there beer. Don't worry about the flamers either. it's the lurkers your trying to reach. One last thing what works best for me was picking up the phone. Which i know you do... Change up your approach to appeal to different people. Your a good guy I don't get it either sometimes. don't sweat the small things. Last edited by RogerV; 02-19-2005 at 04:45 PM..

02-20-2005, 04:16 AM	#81
Mr. Jim Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,372	Marty... I think several will be humbled when they discover what you have accomplished in this industry. I would like to talk to you about doing something and i know last week we were suppose to discuss some things and you have my apology for not getting back to you it is a pretty hectic time right now..... I have some ideas....may work....may not

02-20-2005, 12:38 PM	#83
wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	The difference between spam and a sales pitch is how quickly you can convince the listener that you have something he wants. In my experience, you have about 5 seconds to accomplish that. That's via phone. If it's e, you won't get past the spam filter unless you can fit his full name, domain name, and a concise sales pitch into the subject. THEN the body of the e must quickly expound on the sales pitch. With e, I'll guess that IF you convince him to open your e with a great subject, you then have about 5 seconds to convince him to continue reading. With luck, you'll get about a 3% response rate, and that's with every e being custom crafted. I don't bother with e anymore, I phone. __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657 Last edited by wimpy; 02-20-2005 at 12:40 PM..

02-20-2005, 12:49 PM	#84
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	If your product is good, it will market itself (for the most part). Last edited by Biggy2; 02-20-2005 at 12:50 PM..