slapass

But if Tawnee is working 4 days a month and steve is working 20 should he make 5 times more? And what capital at risk. If they have to turn out the lights does Tawnee or Steve pay for the hosting, office and unemeployment until it is done?

I doubt Steve was making 10 times what Tawnee is on her site. So she was paid and paid well.

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I agree with your post, KRL, however I do understand Steve dilemma where she doesn't want to move to the next level. Assuming Steve has a shitload of updates already paid for and stockpiled, why would he continue to pay her $10k a month to continue to do the same type of content? If she were to go to the next level, yes, I agree, she should get a 1:5 or % of net profits over and above her 'salary'.

Steve 'made' her and she 'made' Lightspeed - they go hand in hand. Window of opportunity, cute girl, right timing - internet/marketing savvy brought it to the top. The 'Holier than thou' attitude must go though.

I personally don't think she can continue to pull in enough money to justify $10k salary with softcore nude with another company under another name. $2k is peanuts when you're used to $10k a month but if you refuse to do the bare minimum (reply to fan email, be courteous to the other girls that are up and coming....) then it's a choice you make. 18 only lasts one year, if you're making money after that, remember to continue to live frugally and invest it smartly - moreso if you're planning on keeping it 'softcore' and you know your days are numbered.

I personally think she needs a reality check. She may have been talking to a few fans or other companies that wanted to get in her pants and got the idea that she's indispensable. Having been branded as 'Tawnee Stone' it's going to be very hard to stay in the same industry and make it that big again under another name.

That's my

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the girl doesn't know what she has done.

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You realize that talk like this, collusion, may bring you some more problems once she reads about it.

Drake

Btw, what is she studying in college?

Tawnee is going to be a big time surgeon and have the last laugh on all of us

rebel23

KRL, ever heard the expression "thin end of a wedge" , i think thats what steve thought about her demands...

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wow this thread grew quick

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Zebra

$60k a month? I would like to know what you are smoking.

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crockett

I don't think so, think about it man. If Steve hadn't posted this himself, how much drama would there have been when the first webmaster got a e-mail? You know the answer to that.

Also I'm sure if she was asking for just a "little" more Steve would probably do it, just to keep her in his program only. Sounds to me like she got spoiled and wants to continue to ride the gravey train with out putting anything out.

If the girl wont talk to her fans or even do webcam chats, this means she is not doing her part to continue making the site a success. IMO even though she is Tawnee it's not worth it to keep her around if she won't work in her site. It's her job, and sounds like she doesn't want to do it, but still wants a paycheck.

Think of the position it would put LightSpeed in if they caved into her and gave her a bunch of money for nothing, the other girls would catch on quick. Then next thing you know it's Jordan doing it.

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maybe gross sales, before ccbill %

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Pleasurepays

why would you say that? how many models have you employed? i have employed well over 1000. i would say he is 100% correct. all girls think they are worth more than they are. they are biased. they see only thier contribution to the project/site. thats why i explain the business to everyone who works for us... it will eleminate a lot of problems with them down the road when they start thinking they should get 50% fo everything. and that moment will come with a model. it always does. usually after about 12 months is when you can expect to start to see some personality changes.

the simple fact is that "tawney stone" would be nothing more than "just some chick somewhere" had steve not made her what she is. a model is just content. content is just a commodity. its no more complicated than that. its up to the model to be the best she can be, smile, take good pics and be easy to work with. more money will not improve the attitude of someone who thinks "i am the star of the show". anyone who thinks it will, has never been in this position.

if she is unhappy with everything she has made and she wants to quit. let her do her own thing. if you think she is worth something to your business, then keep an open mind and let her know she can come back if she wants to. but more money is not going to improve attitudes and mend relationships. it never does.

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corvette

She made 130k last year, nobody mentioned that she worked a total of about 10 hours a month

he offered her what he felt was a fair exit deal because she dug her heels in and would not expand on the types of modeling/promotion/website support she would do

The reason for the thread? Steve is a nice guy, he feels bad that she seems slighted by the offer and he wanted to get the advice of his peers, and at the same time prepare people for emails she may send out to them

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Drake

I know. Gee, that's 120 hours in a whole year. That's 5 days of work. I'd like to be able to make $130k in 5 days.

Pimp Dough

$1,083.00 Per Day Worked - Not too shabby.

Pimp Dough

Per hour rather... sry.

tony286

You are very wise. I also like how everyone accepts everything Steve says about her on here like its gospel. I think your right, trash her and look like I want advice. If the motivation was to let everyone know the girl was gone, a professional response would of been. Tawnee is gone , we saw things different ways I wish her all the best. I also love how people discredit the model for having anything to do with the success of a site. Thats a reflex to make themselves feel better. IF I understand correctly Tawnee put Lightspeed on the map, so it wasnt like they were hitting home runs before she came along.
A girl that has presence in front of the camera is a gift , I dont care if you are the greatest photog in the world , the girl doesnt have it ,she doesnt have it .JUst a Pretty face doesnt have staying power like tawnee has had.
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Drake

Thanks for your input. I will just address some things:

1) What you've been told about the revenue may be incorrect. I'm not saying it is but you prefaced by saying that your 'understanding' was that the site makes $60k per month. Most programs don't volunteer showing their figures and when they do, they often bolster them.

2) So the model's take would be $24 and that would leave $36k for the webmaster(s) cut, and to cover all other associated costs. That's very doable, but I wonder how realistic it is. It'd be curious to know how the site is able to generate enough traffic to be able to gross $60k without affiliates and what the costs of those promos is

3) Not every girl can be a superstar, but a girl with superstar quality can only become a superstar with the proper exposure. There are women walking the streets in every major city that could be super models but aren't. Imagine if they never decided to record Elvis. He would never have been a star even though he had raw talent. No man is an island, yet I would say that Elvis still had more to do with his success than somebody like Tawnee. Elvis performed, did interviews, made key appearances, sang, and wrote. Tawnee is fortunate to have a pretty face...she is told how to pose and who to pose with, how to dress, what makeup to wear, when to do it, what to say. I think that's the difference.

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I also agree with Shemp and my posts are tentative because we all know that we become biased in one way or another when issues like this crop up.

It was interesting though that Steve once said that it was a guy named Tanker that put Lightspeed on the map and didn't mention the names of any models. He stated that Lightspeed was a small struggling company. If Tawnee was part of Lightspeed at the time that they were struggling, it says something about the power of the marketing component compared to just having a great looking model. In other words, if Tanker didn't come along with his marketing abilities, Steve may have still had Tawnee, but Tawnee never would have achieved the success she has and nor would Lightspeed.

PerfectionGirls

I dont see what some of you guys arnt getting.

Lets assume Steve had only paid her 2k a month since the site went up 4 years ago. (of course that is not the case) Why would that be a bad thing? Is he not allowed to work the best deal possible for his company? Who cares if he made millions off her. If she agreed to the 2k a month then good for steve. She was happy and steve as happy also.

Shes a supplier... nothing more. A part in the chain to the finshed product. Theres nothing special about Tawnee at all. She hit at the right time and had some termendous marketing behind the site. It could have been any girl from anywhere. Over the course of her site I would guess she made a good 250k... if not a bit more based on the numbers Steve has put in this thread. Thats crazy money for sure doing softcore content. To top it all off she was only working 10 hours AT THE MOST a month. I am aware of several months that she did not work at all. Just do the math.... she worked about 480 total hours over the course of the 4 years... assuming she did show up every month. Divide that by a min. of 250k in earnings. Shes been offered a ton of money to do hardcore or even a simple POV. She refused. I just dont get it that some of you would actually support a greedy little bitch like this.

Steve has NOTHING to defend here. He has taken great care of this girl, proof being the 4 years she stayed... thats some sort of industry record for sure. Anyone that is seriously thinking she is due more money is clueless.

As I said before... Steve, let he go and dont pay her a dime if she refuses your offer. Be nice about it, but let her go. In a month, she will be back asking for her job back with your dick in her mouth (well maybe not that, but will be more then ready to do what she needs to to make a buck).

And Dax... as for that Christinamodel making 60k a month... lol yeah right buddy. Thats why that girl shops herself around every month nearly looking to make 5k. I know 5 or 6 webmasters that get emails from this girl looking for work. Me being one of them. She making about 4k... thats what she told me anyways. Maybe more when her site was new...but not now... not even 10% of what you stated. Some of you live in fairy tail land.

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Kimmykim

Fuck the bitch. She's been a thorn in your side for years now, and you've bent over backwards to try and accomodate her.

You've got girls like Taylor who think the world of you, Shannon and the rest of your staff, and then you've got drama queens like Tawnee.

She's old enough and educated enough to understand that she's not going to just fall into a 6 figure a year job where she works a couple hours a month, unless she is standing in front of a camera naked.

Let her get a dose of reality. And then when she comes crawling back for the 2000 a month, I'd probably still give it to her if it meant she was going to lose the house otherwise.

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TheLegacy

IM sure you have alot of support and wisdom being shared here Steve that one more is likely too much - you do have a kind heart. My guess is that she has a boyfriend and that spells ruin to any porn star. If she stayed single, then you and I know that she would be all over any new venture.

you are not responsible for any models private life, only to honor whatever contract and arrangement between the two of you. Simple as that. Its a business. I would find it hard to see anyone wanting to pick her up knowing shes branded to lightspeed - that takes away from any persons company.

Since she got house and refuses to do any content beyond what is required by lightspeed, I think you have offered her more than what she deserves. You've given her a future income either doing what she was before, in addition a severance package that no company offers today. She wants to make more, then get a job at denny's and mcdonalds like other girls in her position to see what the real world of holding down several jobs to keep your house.

you owe her nothing - you honored the agreement between the two of you. You went beyond it and gave her more and even a future. she snubbed it.

Lightspeed can find and get any hot girl they want now.. spend your money taking the company to the next level where people will easily forget tawnee

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What you dont get tony is that that model given even the slightest chance would and will discredit Steve or anyone else. I also dont see one time that Steve has discredited Tawnee. He posted the facts and thats it. Girls will say ANYTHING to gain sympathy. She, without question will do anything and say anything to make Steve look back in order the win the favor of another company. I can name several girls right now that are playing the same BS. Trust me, models know what they think that have.. haha Problem is... there are a ton of you "Caption Save A Hoes" out there that make them beleive they are gods gift.. telling them that they are worth WAY more then what they are. Guys will say anything for some pussy.... well not all guys (Steve, me and a few others that hav a clue), but most all of you anyways. hehe

As for Tawnee putting lightspeed on the map... thats bullshit. Who took the risk... tawnee or steve? Please. He owes the girl NOTHING except what he agreed to pay her and she accepted... not a dime more. She has accepted and cashed her checks every month. She has been paid and paid to well in my opinion. The fact that Steve has offered her 2k a month for the next 12 months to sit home, never show up for a shoot again is well beyond the call of duty. "Here Tawnee... her's 24,000... take the next 12 months off." Yeah... thats a terrible offer. hahaha! If she rejects the offer then thats on her.

Again, she is unmarketable as anything else but Tawnee Stone. That name can not be used for her anymore other then the site that steve owns. She has ZERO value for anyone. She could go shoot some hardcore (she says she would never) but thats it. If some fool actaully picks her up and offers her a deal they most certainly loss money on it.

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She could easily make 5k with another program. Not huge money. But 60k a year isn't bad for an aging model. She still has a big following and surfers aren't as dumb as webmasters think. They would find her new site real quick.

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I think $2k a month for doing nothing is a pretty sweet deal. Her glory days have passed but she's still trying to milk to cow. Tawnee and MC Hammer should be roomates.

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tony286

First I have worked with models, strippers, escorts, prodommes for over 19 yrs. Secondly how do we know what Steve is posting is facts ? Also I question when someone paints a picture everything I did was right and everything they did was wrong. I think he knows she is still a money generator with or without the name because if she was so done . He wouldnt of posted this thread it wouldnt of mattered. I was taught by my first boss in adult when I was 19 yrs old , these girls do the hardest work in the world they expose themselves to the world and give us the ability to make our living. We always treat them with the greatest respect because without them we have nothing.

Drake

Exposing yourself to the world is your choice. Most cute girls never do it. A handful do. It's not hard work. 10 hours a month in front of a camera is not hard work.

I treat people with respect whether they're content or not. It's not required though to make money from them in this industry. This industry has prospered for centuries while treating its models like dirt. There will always be porn models whether they're treated with respect or not. I don't agree with that but is is what it is.

tony286

22 is not fucking old lol

TheDoc

All you haters, piss off..

He paid her, period.. For the amount of work she did he paid her WAY WAY WAY to much money. You can't find another model that did mostly softcore porn that makes as much as she did and he rewarded her with much more than a yearly salery too.

And no, Steve isn't lying or posting extra Drama. She caused issues, many of us have seen it first hand.

The point is she was paid to do a job like any other employee, she quit doing her job and she was fired.

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Theo

no doubt thedoc

bigdog

thats impressive i wonder where he gets a lot of his traffic from

tony286

isnt posting extra drama your fucking kidding right the thread is called I predict all hell breaking loose SOON . Give me a fucking break lol

whatif_3

Tony, i normally dont post on threads such as these, but i spent the past hour reading it and your liberal posts always catch my eye.

tawnee is a model for a site. in a perfect world, she would make a ton of money off of the sucess of her site, so would the person that designs her site, so would the person that updates her site, so would the programmers that create the backend for her site/program, so would the processing and hostng companies that support her site, the affilites that heavily promoted her site in the beginning and those that still do, etc

she is NOT getting shafted, she is a cog in a wheel, albeit a pain in the ass, recognizable one

if you feel sorry for her, paypal her some money, she is not going to get any sympathy from me

for every tawnee stone, steve sunk hundreds of thousands of dollars into models whose sites DONT sell, who flake out, etc...similar to record companies that invest money into 50 bands, knowing they are going to lose money on most of them, hopeing that one of those bands will put them in the black for the whole

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Anything Steve posts turns into some kind of Drama post, not because of his posts but because of guys like yourself who think everything should be Drama filled.

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If you want to use the music industry bands get paid forever as long as their music is bought. Lets see he spent millions on her site and lost hundreds of thousands on failures. If he has all this money to go around ,why doesnt he pay her 50 k to go away and end a profitable arangement on good terms?

tony286

Oh stop pleeeeease lol

PerfectionGirls

How do I know what Steve is posting is fact? Shear reputation. Ive worked with Steve for three plus years now. Never once was I mislead and not given the facts. And please, dont paint me as some Steve lover because that is not the case. I repsect him, but we have had our differences over the years for sure. I have also meet Tawnee and seen her in action at shoots. Shes a bitch... without question. I have also heard from people that shoot her for Steve saying the same exact thing. Her repuation as being a nasty little bitch and trouble maker is well documented.

Im sure she is still a money generator for Steve also. What does that have to do with anything? She has been offered a contract extention if she will do more hardcore style of work. She refused. When she refused, out of the kindness of his heart he offered her $24,000 to do nothing. Please explain how in the world Steve is taking advantage at all?

This girl, tammy or whatever her name may be is FAR from a money generator at this point. Shes done, finished... end of story outside the name of Tawnee Stone. Please explain how she could be marketed as anything else and it be a profitable situation for her and the company she went to work for. Outside a flash in the pan hardcore set or two, she has ZERO value. I had a girl do the same exact thing.... Cris Taliana She wanted more money and thought she could make it as a hardcore star... she did, for about 3 months... now she does pissing sites letting guys piss in her mouth for a few bucks.

I never once said you should not pay these girls well (fair market value) and not treat them with the utmost respect. That goes without saying. Tawnee has been with Steve for 4 years which goes to prove the level of respect and care that has been taken to keep this girl happy. Four years in unheard of in the solo site niche... do you know any that are even close that shoot for a program other then there own?

Your comment that "without them we have nothing" is false. Models are a dime a dozon. That does not mean you should treat them bad or be disrespectful, but the resources for models are endless. They can be replaced at the drop of a hat... even girls as popular as Tawnee (again, her looks are nothing special at all... it was all in the marketing and timing). The only thing of real value on this industry is traffic.... the model is secondary as long as the traffic fits the model.

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scoreman

The contract model deals we have done over the years have had many of them end with the same theme: The model wanted to do less and get paid more. From some of the posts here I see we are not alone with this.

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SteveLightspeed

Tony, as usual, you talk a lot about something you don't know shit about. Give me a fucking break man. Where exactly have I "trashed" Tawnee in this post? I think after 6 years in this biz I have proven who I am and what I'm about. I don't think ANYONE can say I have fucked them over.

I posted this thread not to hurt Tawnee, but to hear opinions from people with experience. I've done my best to be fair to Tawnee. I've bent over backwards to keep her happy. She is unwilling to accept that her site is down over 45% from its peak, and without more effort from her, its not likely to turn around.

Steve Lightspeed

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Give her $3k a month, she'll do nothing but get fat and another year older. Then she'll be washed up and there will be no competition.

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