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baddog · 07-14-2005, 10:01 AM

woj must be asleep

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Originally Posted by Laurel

I agree!

Aly...please think of the girls in the industry before charging models. It's bad enough that Holly from NakedSword will be looking to score with every single girl in the industry, but now we're going to have to fight off the horny GFY male webmasters with sex toys just to keep them from getting in our pants! Our fronts (and backs) are now being attacked by two nympho forces! This means we are going to have to work mega OT (Obstructing Touch)!

It is my understanding that Holly is willing to share . .

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

If a sponsor pays 10K for a cabana and 10% - 20% of the drinks are going to girls it can be construed as part of their cost of doing business. If not, and 50 - 60% of the guys leave because there are no chicks/eyecandy what's the downside then?

Of course these are arbitrary numbers BUT I think letting girls in might be the lesser of 2 evils.

Its a simple fix

emagine guys who know girls in Miami and the door guys won't let them into the hotel If I was a webmaster and I saw that I would get upset.

I love you guys and I'm there to network all day but I'm not going back to my room alone and i certainly not going to rub lotion on your back unless your a really hot gay guy who has traffic

But in reality it happens already at the shows if its all guys people take off lets make this the best show ever and let all the girls in free

then those girls will tell there friends to come by because its fun and not a sausage fest and free drinks and food. now you really have a pool party

sherie · 07-14-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurel

I agree!

Aly...please think of the girls in the industry before charging models. It's bad enough that Holly from NakedSword will be looking to score with every single girl in the industry, but now we're going to have to fight off the horny GFY male webmasters with sex toys just to keep them from getting in our pants! Our fronts (and backs) are now being attacked by two nympho forces! This means we are going to have to work mega OT (Obstructing Touch)!

LMFAO you crack me up!

Not to mention that everything is a huge sausage fest as it is, now all we are going to see at the pool is cock...Fuck, my stomach is turning just thinking about it LOL j/k guys!

Holly Lez! · 07-14-2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurel

I agree!

Aly...please think of the girls in the industry before charging models. It's bad enough that Holly from NakedSword will be looking to score with every single girl in the industry, but now we're going to have to fight off the horny GFY male webmasters with sex toys just to keep them from getting in our pants! Our fronts (and backs) are now being attacked by two nympho forces! This means we are going to have to work mega OT (Obstructing Touch)!

Hey! I resemble that remark! oops I mean resent!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-14-2005, 10:04 AM

Prolly be a fucken mad ass hurricane during Florida Internext anyways.
Save yer cash

10K for a Cabana? The fuck is that?
LOL!

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurel

I agree!

Aly...please think of the girls in the industry before charging models. It's bad enough that Holly from NakedSword will be looking to score with every single girl in the industry, but now we're going to have to fight off the horny GFY male webmasters with sex toys just to keep them from getting in our pants! Our fronts (and backs) are now being attacked by two nympho forces! This means we are going to have to work mega OT (Obstructing Touch)!

LOL didn't I end up in your room at the last show in LA

Inside joke

you better watch that ass because I'm gonna smack it

baddog · 07-14-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I love you guys and I'm there to network all day but I'm not going back to my room alone and i certainly not going to rub lotion on your back unless your a really hot gay guy who has traffic

Just wondering, does Miami have one of those "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" policies?

MikeVega · 07-14-2005, 10:07 AM

I have to add that about 5 years ago ... we just had an adult search engine that was a side project. Email lists were selling like hot cakes and that was our main focus. we went down to the Miami show just to check it out. We didn't really know anyone and we were just trying to get a bigger picture of the biz. that show really got us interested in moving towards adult more and I can tell you that if it was a Big Meat party we would most likely have stayed home the following year. I'm sure there are a lot of first timers coming to the show and these people like myself at the time are future biz for all of us. If the show sucks I'm sure the #'s will drop. It's a shame .. i really like the show and the hotel ... but it maybe my last ... I can spend that 10k on 3 smaller shows and still see everyone i love to hang and do biz with ...

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Just wondering, does Miami have one of those "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" policies?

I don't think so..

If you get caught rubbing some lotion on some guys back it will be plastered all over the web

aimeesweet · 07-14-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurel

I agree!

Aly...please think of the girls in the industry before charging models. It's bad enough that Holly from NakedSword will be looking to score with every single girl in the industry, but now we're going to have to fight off the horny GFY male webmasters with sex toys just to keep them from getting in our pants! Our fronts (and backs) are now being attacked by two nympho forces! This means we are going to have to work mega OT (Obstructing Touch)!

Laurel you are too funny!

xoxo

Holly Lez! · 07-14-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sherie

LMFAO you crack me up!

Not to mention that everything is a huge sausage fest as it is, now all we are going to see at the pool is cock...Fuck, my stomach is turning just thinking about it LOL j/k guys!

Yuck! Cock fest

My stomach is turning to!

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by aimeesweet

Laurel you are too funny!

xoxo

You girls know I got your backs and fronts, It's about having a great time and doing biz.

Laurel,Aimee,sherie love ya. which one of you is coming back to my room

and I can't wait to see you guys its been a while

Holly Lez! · 07-14-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

You girls know I got your backs and fronts, It's about having a great time and doing biz.

Laurel,Aimee,sherie love ya. which one of you is coming back to my room

and I can't wait to see you guys its been a while

You will have to come to my room to see them... LOL

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Direct Holly

You will have to come to my room to see them... LOL

You know it...

I just love woman can't help myself

Laurel · 07-14-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Direct Holly

You will have to come to my room to see them... LOL

Oh, and you say I'm demanding....
I see you've changed your ways! Love it!

Holly Lez! · 07-14-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

You know it...

I just love woman can't help myself

LOL me to!

Peaches · 07-14-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I will pay you to ensure you don't do such a thing. Last thing I need is to see is you in a thong! I get shivers just thinking about it.
WG

Back off, buster - HappyPeekers and I will double whatever you come up with so Roger WILL wear a thong.

RawAlex · 07-14-2005, 10:32 AM

I want to add something into the discussion here: The other side of the coin.

Let's start with some basic facts: Most other industries have trade shows that charge anywhere from $400 - $5000 for 2 or 3 days. Most trade shows operated by AVN in the past (and by other companies) that charge a fee have been subject to moochers.

Moochers?

Yup. Those are the people who come to an event city, stay at a nearby hotel, hang out in the show lobby, show bar, and show parties, but never once actually contribute to the show by buying a badge.

Want to see it in action? Do you remember Internext vegas 2005? You know, where it was almost impossible to get a badge? Well, that long hallway leading up to the show became moocher's land. You could stay there, see all the people you wanted to see, and not pay AVN a cent. Most of us, because of contacts, friends, whatever, could get into the cool parties and not have to worry too much about what all else was going on.

In theory, net $300 saved.

But moochers have a long term effect on shows and show floors. As less people buy badges, and as less people attend the official stuff (and instead just party with thier buds who happen to be in town for a show) the actually value of that show floor drops like a rock.

That in turn limits the value of the floor, which discourages companies from taking space the next time, which lowers the... anyway, you know how things can spiral down.

AVN is trying to take a stand against this in Florida... at least to the point where people will not be able to sit at the doors of the show, in the lobby, and at the bar, mooching off the show without ever being part of it. We get a whole hotel take over (which I assume means that "rules" will be more relaxed this year) and the only people who truly lose in the game are the moochers. Let me tell you too, some of the higher profile people in this industry have mooched both Vegas and Miami shows in the past. Some of them even using previous year's badged as cover for their mooching.

I love you all, but geez, come on. That's like plastic bling - it looks good until someone catches you with it.

AVN has basically expanded the show area to cover all the areas that use to be moocher havens, and now you have to pay to have access. If your a real player (or even a fake one) $300 ain't gonna kill ya.

I feel sorry for the people bringing girls to the show as decoration, but honestly, how do you draw the line? A amateur girl running her own site, hanging out at the LENZ.COM booth (trying not to use names) - is she a bunny or a webmaster? What if she wears a bikini in the booth? Bunny or webmaster? The extreme ends are easy to see, but the middle grey is very difficult indeed.

If it is a sausagefest, well, then that is what it is. It truly isn't hard to find entertainment in south florida.

seeric · 07-14-2005, 10:32 AM

roger likes wearing thongs. he just pretends here that he doesn't. you all didn't get to see the footage from the boat on 4th of july that he didn't PUBLICLY post?

wow! too hot for t.v.

Peaches · 07-14-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Is anyone else bringing Models and booths girls?

I am bringing Cory and I think Zimm - do they count?

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

I want to add something into the discussion here: The other side of the coin.

Let's start with some basic facts: Most other industries have trade shows that charge anywhere from $400 - $5000 for 2 or 3 days. Most trade shows operated by AVN in the past (and by other companies) that charge a fee have been subject to moochers.

Moochers?

Yup. Those are the people who come to an event city, stay at a nearby hotel, hang out in the show lobby, show bar, and show parties, but never once actually contribute to the show by buying a badge.

Want to see it in action? Do you remember Internext vegas 2005? You know, where it was almost impossible to get a badge? Well, that long hallway leading up to the show became moocher's land. You could stay there, see all the people you wanted to see, and not pay AVN a cent. Most of us, because of contacts, friends, whatever, could get into the cool parties and not have to worry too much about what all else was going on.

In theory, net $300 saved.

But moochers have a long term effect on shows and show floors. As less people buy badges, and as less people attend the official stuff (and instead just party with thier buds who happen to be in town for a show) the actually value of that show floor drops like a rock.

That in turn limits the value of the floor, which discourages companies from taking space the next time, which lowers the... anyway, you know how things can spiral down.

AVN is trying to take a stand against this in Florida... at least to the point where people will not be able to sit at the doors of the show, in the lobby, and at the bar, mooching off the show without ever being part of it. We get a whole hotel take over (which I assume means that "rules" will be more relaxed this year) and the only people who truly lose in the game are the moochers. Let me tell you too, some of the higher profile people in this industry have mooched both Vegas and Miami shows in the past. Some of them even using previous year's badged as cover for their mooching.

I love you all, but geez, come on. That's like plastic bling - it looks good until someone catches you with it.

AVN has basically expanded the show area to cover all the areas that use to be moocher havens, and now you have to pay to have access. If your a real player (or even a fake one) $300 ain't gonna kill ya.

I feel sorry for the people bringing girls to the show as decoration, but honestly, how do you draw the line? A amateur girl running her own site, hanging out at the LENZ.COM booth (trying not to use names) - is she a bunny or a webmaster? What if she wears a bikini in the booth? Bunny or webmaster? The extreme ends are easy to see, but the middle grey is very difficult indeed.

If it is a sausagefest, well, then that is what it is. It truly isn't hard to find entertainment in south florida.

And the sponsors are benefiting from this how? AVN gets the money not them. so what a few more drinks for girls I've never heard anyone complain about buying girls drinks.

I can understand the mouchers they are mainly guys and they have to pay if they are doing well in the biz they can afford it.

And the point to this is so they don't go looking for entertainment in Miami.
I like it when its all at the hotel and fun

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

I am bringing Cory and I think Zimm - do they count?

Yep

make sure they wear there blue thongs though

baddog · 07-14-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I don't think so..

If you get caught rubbing some lotion on some guys back it will be plastered all over the web

I can see how that might present a problem

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RonC

Aly

I know you are just the messenger but as a Sponsor I have to speak out about this issues.

First of all you have moved this event to a pool side get together instead of a true tradeshow. Personally I think that was a great move, but now that you are going to charge girls $300.00 per to attend you will eliminate a large amount of the eye candy. That webmasters like Roger, LA Mike, JB, might have brought. So now you have a Pool Party
With no girls????????

Let?s think about this in night club terms. You have ladies nights where girls get in free and even drink for free so guys will come. NO GIRLS NO GUYS. AVN should take this same approach where ALL girls get a pink badge and are allowed in FREE. So you loose 30-40 registrations this year because you did not collect on a few girls like Naughty Ally or Vanilla. SO WHAT!!!!! This is going to be nothing compared to the hundreds next year of guy webmasters that don?t come because it was the FLORDIA SASUAGE FEST

MATH QUESTION
How long do you think 600 drunk guys are going to stay at an on site party with no girls before they break into small groups and start heading to South Beach. Now as a sponsor we have lost all that time to NETWORK (why you go to the show to start with)

ANSWER About 1 hr

RESULT: We down size our Staff orr not attend this event next year.

BAD MOVED, but in KB words nobody at AVN is listening to the people they are throwing the show for in the first place?????

Ron Cadwell
CEO
___________________________
CCBill.com
Cavecreek.com
DRMnetworks.com

this makes sense

MikeHawk · 07-14-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

I just hope AVN changes this rule about talent, content, models etc. in the pool area and hotel etc. are free and not $300

Ron had many valid points and recomendations

Just thought of this watering the lawn yesterday, with out the models and talent, there would be NO SHOW................also i love you seeing you guys, but please please MORE GIRLS AT SHOWS.....Something that has always been needed, come on AVN realize that.

Bugbee · 07-14-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kBizzle

In case you are wondering why AVN's owners don't post here-
maybe this can clarify where their priorities are at-

From Lukeisback.com

AVN Publisher Paul Fishbein Wins ESPN Monday Night Football Package
Source says: I was listening to ESPN Radio this morning. They are doing a charity auction all day to benefit cancer research, They were letting a few of the winners on the air for a minute. The first one I heard was Paul Fishbein from Chatsworth, Calif. He won an ESPN Monday Night Football package... airfare and tickets to the MNF game of his choice. His winning bid was $9500.

He is too busy winning football packages to post on GFY I guess.
LOL

31.6 of you lucky fuckers just paid for a Monday Night Football party, CONGRATS!!!!

Aly · 07-14-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Alky

whats the point of sending two tickets to the smoke and mirrors event when you buy one pass if I am not going to be able to get anyone in the hotel that doesn't have a pass?

Free guest passes are available in the evenings.

Nathan · 07-14-2005, 10:51 AM

Roger, what exactly do you think would make sense to do? Basically charge girls only $50 instead of $300 for example?

I understand everyone's points here, the problem just is in my oppinion, like RawAlex said, its hard to draw the line. Who is content and who is not content? And even if you would find a clear guideline to this, how do you actually determine this at the show?! How does each one prove what they are?

I think this is more a logistical nightmare and will just result in even longer lines forming than at Vegas 2005.

How would you handle it if you were AVN?

Of course, like someone else said earlier, they can not really go and say "ok, all girls are now only $50" ... this industry has a huge gay part to it too, what about their content?

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverCash Thurbs

side note .. just got off the phone with AVN, not sure how easy it will be to get them in (i see myself outside telling security ppl everygirl is with SilverCash), but all the girls in our bikini contest are going to be getting in

Can't wait for the bikini contest

baddog · 07-14-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

... this industry has a huge gay part to it too, what about their content?

good point

Aly · 07-14-2005, 10:58 AM

Scuse the cut 'n' paste from a different thread...

I just want to let you know I read you loud and clear! Thank you for your feedback, this IS being addressed.

This is far more complicated than it may appear so I'm not just going to throw out an- 'oh right, sorry, yes, we'll change that' to you.

The folks at Internext are very much aware of the appeal of pretty women (and pretty men for some) We've already implemented a solution to bring guests into the facilities in the evening as a response to this issue. With regards to day-time attractions, bring me a busload of 30 stunning women and we'll definitely talk... otherwise, we're still chewing on this but it is unlikely to be changed for this year; there'll definitely be something worked out for next year but with a few weeks to go before the show now it would be wholly unfair to start charging less for some when others have paid full-price. I, personally, will NOT support Internext doing that.

I do want to point out, also, that I (also personally) think you're blowing this out of proportion... there WILL be women at the event. Sponsors always receive free badges that many allocate to models... And hey, there are actually a few good looking women in the industry you know.

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Free guest passes are available in the evenings.

Aly your telling me Paul is not seeing the big picture yet?
whats the number there. why are they being stubborn?

This can only be good for them. or it will be a hotel filled with guys

pxxx · 07-14-2005, 11:05 AM

just watch and see what hapens.

dready · 07-14-2005, 11:07 AM

There has to be a simple creative solution. Like have female guest passes for $100 that have to be bought by someone with a $300 pass. Or $50 model passes for sponsors with booths.

Aly · 07-14-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Aly your telling me Paul is not seeing the big picture yet?
whats the number there. why are they being stubborn?

This can only be good for them. or it will be a hotel filled with guys

Read my previous post, thanks.

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Aly_AVN

Scuse the cut 'n' paste from a different thread...

I just want to let you know I read you loud and clear! Thank you for your feedback, this IS being addressed.

This is far more complicated than it may appear so I'm not just going to throw out an- 'oh right, sorry, yes, we'll change that' to you.

The folks at Internext are very much aware of the appeal of pretty women (and pretty men for some) We've already implemented a solution to bring guests into the facilities in the evening as a response to this issue. With regards to day-time attractions, bring me a busload of 30 stunning women and we'll definitely talk... otherwise, we're still chewing on this but it is unlikely to be changed for this year; there'll definitely be something worked out for next year but with a few weeks to go before the show now it would be wholly unfair to start charging less for some when others have paid full-price. I, personally, will NOT support Internext doing that.

I do want to point out, also, that I (also personally) think you're blowing this out of proportion... there WILL be women at the event. Sponsors always receive free badges that many allocate to models... And hey, there are actually a few good looking women in the industry you know.

Like I said I will be bringing 4 ladies but I would have had more come who live in Miami. probably not a bus full but more girls will just mean more fun and a show to remember.

You are probably the only female I have not hit on so watch your back.

and it really is an easy fix but I understand how some have already paid and that would cause problems.

sherie · 07-14-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

You girls know I got your backs and fronts, It's about having a great time and doing biz.

Laurel,Aimee,sherie love ya. which one of you is coming back to my room

and I can't wait to see you guys its been a while

LOL you're a nutbar. I will be in Laurel's bed...errr....room as usual ;))) LOL

Oh and let's do some bizz Rog, we both have new programs on the rise :P

ronaldo · 07-14-2005, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dready

There has to be a simple creative solution. Like have female guest passes for $100 that have to be bought by someone with a $300 pass. Or $50 model passes for sponsors with booths.

I do agree with this, but Aly does make a good point in that it's ONLY 3 weeks till the show.

Unless AVN is prepared to start doling out thousands of dollars in refunds for already purchased passes, it would be REALLY tough to implement at this point.

Perhaps they made a mistake and misjudged some things. Time will tell.

Besides, if every event was planned to perfection, we wouldn't have threads like this to entertain the masses.

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sherie

LOL you're a nutbar. I will be in Laurel's bed...errr....room as usual ;))) LOL

Oh and let's do some bizz Rog, we both have new programs on the rise :P

Sounds great see you in room 69.

You know i love to hang with the girls

NaughtyAlysha · 07-14-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

You are probably the only female I have not hit on so watch your back.

Have you hit on me yet?

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

I do agree with this, but Aly does make a good point in that it's ONLY 3 weeks till the show.

Unless AVN is prepared to start doling out thousands of dollars in refunds for already purchased passes, it would be REALLY tough to implement at this point.

Perhaps they made a mistake and misjudged some things. Time will tell.

Besides, if every event was planned to perfection, we wouldn't have threads like this to entertain the masses.

Are you bringing Eye candy or models to the show?

JJ Gold · 07-14-2005, 11:18 AM

and it just produced these photos of the 2005 AVN party at Internext

ronaldo · 07-14-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Are you bringing Eye candy or models to the show?

If you can call my wife eye candy, I was gonna, but it didn't work out this time.

I've taken her to the last two Vegas shows and she had a blast, so I was really looking forward to bringing her to Florida.

She'd have a great time and I have a lot more fun when she's there.

Hopefully next year.

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Roger, what exactly do you think would make sense to do? Basically charge girls only $50 instead of $300 for example?

I understand everyone's points here, the problem just is in my oppinion, like RawAlex said, its hard to draw the line. Who is content and who is not content? And even if you would find a clear guideline to this, how do you actually determine this at the show?! How does each one prove what they are?

I think this is more a logistical nightmare and will just result in even longer lines forming than at Vegas 2005.

How would you handle it if you were AVN?

Of course, like someone else said earlier, they can not really go and say "ok, all girls are now only $50" ... this industry has a huge gay part to it too, what about their content?

You will see thats all I have to say. How many of these shows have you been to? when your the only guy by the pool trying to sell nats

If you don't get it after 8 pages you never will. If you are going to attend the floor and panels then you pay.

why should I have to pay for girls or models to hang out my the pool and hotel which I already paid for with rooms?

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

If you can call my wife eye candy, I was gonna, but it didn't work out this time.

I've taken her to the last two Vegas shows and she had a blast, so I was really looking forward to bringing her to Florida.

She'd have a great time and I have a lot more fun when she's there.

Hopefully next year.

Now imagine you having to pay for her if she didn't attend the convention floor.

I'm done with this Like I said if its all guys I will hang out for a bit then bolt to Miami beach with the girls webmasters welcome to join.

I'm a very reasonable person but i know what happens when there is a sausage fest lets just hope it doesn't turn out that way

ronaldo · 07-14-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Now imagine you having to pay for her if she didn't attend the convention floor.

I'm done with this Like I said if its all guys I will hang out for a bit then bolt to Miami beach with the girls webmasters welcome to join.

I'm a very reasonable person but i know what happens when there is a sausage fest lets just hope it doesn't turn out that way

That may be true, but she likes to wander around the floor and check things out, so I have no problem paying for it.

If she WASN'T going to walk the floor, I wouldn't have a problem either quite frankly, BUT it IS only for one person.

For those paying for a number of models to come to the show, I believe I stated above that a lower fee would be a good idea....but it's probably not feasible at this late a date.

SeanE · 07-14-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

Excellent point! Though, you could always send the sales guys in little matching CCBill thong speedos... CCBill Cabana Boys?

You would just love that wouldn't you big boy? ;-) HAHA

RogerV · 07-14-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanE

You would just love that wouldn't you big boy? ;-) HAHA

I guess we will just have to have our private parties again LOL

I look forward to seeing everyone there

I'm always going to make the best out of a situation.

newbreed · 07-14-2005, 11:48 AM

Roger, you're at about a 10% "Mad View" ratio, time for another new thread I think. 8 pages is Mad Big Bro!

sherie · 07-14-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold

and it just produced these photos of the 2005 AVN party at Internext

LMFAO not one chick to be seen there. UGH, what a nightmare this is going to be.

So there is going to be a bikini contest this year? Is SilverCash sponsoring again? And did LAMike have to anti up $300 a pop for the contestants? I do have to agree with some of what RonC said with regards to a poolside party and only men. It will take, easy an hour for people to start busting out and heading to South Beach and it sucks that the sponsors lose that valuable networking time. It also sucks that the people that are paying the $300 to go and network will miss out because a ton of people are going to be at strip clubs etc. Ever try to do business in a strip club while some girl is sitting on someone's lap? Not saying that it can't be done, but why do I have to go and chase people around at clubts to do business? Makes no sense.

Roger, yes, I know you love the ladies...you better, after all it sounds like you are going to be stuck with us LOL :P

07-14-2005, 10:04 AM	#355
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Prolly be a fucken mad ass hurricane during Florida Internext anyways. Save yer cash 10K for a Cabana? The fuck is that? LOL! __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 07-14-2005 at 10:06 AM..

07-14-2005, 10:07 AM	#358
MikeVega Porntrepreneur Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York Posts: 12,788	I have to add that about 5 years ago ... we just had an adult search engine that was a side project. Email lists were selling like hot cakes and that was our main focus. we went down to the Miami show just to check it out. We didn't really know anyone and we were just trying to get a bigger picture of the biz. that show really got us interested in moving towards adult more and I can tell you that if it was a Big Meat party we would most likely have stayed home the following year. I'm sure there are a lot of first timers coming to the show and these people like myself at the time are future biz for all of us. If the show sucks I'm sure the #'s will drop. It's a shame .. i really like the show and the hotel ... but it maybe my last ... I can spend that 10k on 3 smaller shows and still see everyone i love to hang and do biz with ... __________________ Mike Vega-ICQ:253868499-AIM:mikeydicevega

07-14-2005, 10:51 AM	#378
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Roger, what exactly do you think would make sense to do? Basically charge girls only $50 instead of $300 for example? I understand everyone's points here, the problem just is in my oppinion, like RawAlex said, its hard to draw the line. Who is content and who is not content? And even if you would find a clear guideline to this, how do you actually determine this at the show?! How does each one prove what they are? I think this is more a logistical nightmare and will just result in even longer lines forming than at Vegas 2005. How would you handle it if you were AVN? Of course, like someone else said earlier, they can not really go and say "ok, all girls are now only $50" ... this industry has a huge gay part to it too, what about their content? __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

07-14-2005, 10:58 AM	#381
Aly President, ePufferProfits Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,881	Scuse the cut 'n' paste from a different thread... I just want to let you know I read you loud and clear! Thank you for your feedback, this IS being addressed. This is far more complicated than it may appear so I'm not just going to throw out an- 'oh right, sorry, yes, we'll change that' to you. The folks at Internext are very much aware of the appeal of pretty women (and pretty men for some) We've already implemented a solution to bring guests into the facilities in the evening as a response to this issue. With regards to day-time attractions, bring me a busload of 30 stunning women and we'll definitely talk... otherwise, we're still chewing on this but it is unlikely to be changed for this year; there'll definitely be something worked out for next year but with a few weeks to go before the show now it would be wholly unfair to start charging less for some when others have paid full-price. I, personally, will NOT support Internext doing that. I do want to point out, also, that I (also personally) think you're blowing this out of proportion... there WILL be women at the event. Sponsors always receive free badges that many allocate to models... And hey, there are actually a few good looking women in the industry you know. __________________ . . Aly's ICQ: 51504163 . Aly's Email: [email protected]

07-14-2005, 11:07 AM	#384
dready Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 5,247	There has to be a simple creative solution. Like have female guest passes for $100 that have to be bought by someone with a $300 pass. Or $50 model passes for sponsors with booths. __________________ ICQ: 91139591

07-14-2005, 10:32 AM	#368
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I want to add something into the discussion here: The other side of the coin. Let's start with some basic facts: Most other industries have trade shows that charge anywhere from $400 - $5000 for 2 or 3 days. Most trade shows operated by AVN in the past (and by other companies) that charge a fee have been subject to moochers. Moochers? Yup. Those are the people who come to an event city, stay at a nearby hotel, hang out in the show lobby, show bar, and show parties, but never once actually contribute to the show by buying a badge. Want to see it in action? Do you remember Internext vegas 2005? You know, where it was almost impossible to get a badge? Well, that long hallway leading up to the show became moocher's land. You could stay there, see all the people you wanted to see, and not pay AVN a cent. Most of us, because of contacts, friends, whatever, could get into the cool parties and not have to worry too much about what all else was going on. In theory, net $300 saved. But moochers have a long term effect on shows and show floors. As less people buy badges, and as less people attend the official stuff (and instead just party with thier buds who happen to be in town for a show) the actually value of that show floor drops like a rock. That in turn limits the value of the floor, which discourages companies from taking space the next time, which lowers the... anyway, you know how things can spiral down. AVN is trying to take a stand against this in Florida... at least to the point where people will not be able to sit at the doors of the show, in the lobby, and at the bar, mooching off the show without ever being part of it. We get a whole hotel take over (which I assume means that "rules" will be more relaxed this year) and the only people who truly lose in the game are the moochers. Let me tell you too, some of the higher profile people in this industry have mooched both Vegas and Miami shows in the past. Some of them even using previous year's badged as cover for their mooching. I love you all, but geez, come on. That's like plastic bling - it looks good until someone catches you with it. AVN has basically expanded the show area to cover all the areas that use to be moocher havens, and now you have to pay to have access. If your a real player (or even a fake one) $300 ain't gonna kill ya. I feel sorry for the people bringing girls to the show as decoration, but honestly, how do you draw the line? A amateur girl running her own site, hanging out at the LENZ.COM booth (trying not to use names) - is she a bunny or a webmaster? What if she wears a bikini in the booth? Bunny or webmaster? The extreme ends are easy to see, but the middle grey is very difficult indeed. If it is a sausagefest, well, then that is what it is. It truly isn't hard to find entertainment in south florida.

07-14-2005, 10:32 AM	#369
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	roger likes wearing thongs. he just pretends here that he doesn't. you all didn't get to see the footage from the boat on 4th of july that he didn't PUBLICLY post? wow! too hot for t.v.

07-14-2005, 11:05 AM	#383
pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	just watch and see what hapens.

07-14-2005, 11:18 AM	#392
JJ Gold Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,969	I have a camera that takes pictures of the future and it just produced these photos of the 2005 AVN party at Internext

07-14-2005, 11:48 AM	#399
newbreed Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ThatOneProgram.com Posts: 9,898	Roger, you're at about a 10% "Mad View" ratio, time for another new thread I think. 8 pages is Mad Big Bro! __________________ Want to promote SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! \| Want to buy SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! Yeah, yeah, you know, That One Program! \| Want to trade links with StompBunny.com? Loryn ‎(3:16 PM): I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before