2257, if I comply online do I still need an address? - GoFuckYourself.com

sinnistar · 08-31-2005, 02:15 PM

May be a stupid question but, If I, completely, comply with the new 2257, as far as, listing all my models online, do I still need to keep the records at my place of business and list the keeper of records?

BoyAlley · 08-31-2005, 02:16 PM

uhm. get an attorney, you sound like you could use one....

(to answer your question, there is no way to "comply online", so yes, you need your address posted)

iBanker · 08-31-2005, 02:23 PM

Yes, you would, although I don't know how you plan to "comply" online.

assmunk · 08-31-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

May be a stupid question but, If I, completely, comply with the new 2257, as far as, listing all my models online, do I still need to keep the records at my place of business and list the keeper of records?

what do you mean list all your models online? with a third party record keeping company?

Tat2Jr · 08-31-2005, 02:37 PM

IF you live in the USA - Put down the porn and proceed to the nearest 1st ammendment lawyer. Or just wing it.... I hear federal prison is pretty in the winter time.

billywatson · 08-31-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

May be a stupid question but, If I, completely, comply with the new 2257, as far as, listing all my models online, do I still need to keep the records at my place of business and list the keeper of records?

Part of compliance IS the address where your records are being kept, and who the keeper is...so, hate to break the news to you - you're not compliant.

Oh, and PO Boxes aren't compliant...nor are those addies you rent, like at a Mail Boxes Etc and that sort.

sinnistar · 08-31-2005, 03:14 PM

Yes, I am compliant. Thanks for your concern, LOL.
My understanding is that the new laws state that the records must be kept online. Is this not the case? If it is the case, if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

sinnistar · 08-31-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

uhm. get an attorney, you sound like you could use one....

(to answer your question, there is no way to "comply online", so yes, you need your address posted)

Yes, I am compliant. Thanks for your concern, LOL.
My understanding is that the new laws state that the records must be kept online. Is this not the case? If it is the case, if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

sinnistar · 08-31-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iBanker

Yes, you would, although I don't know how you plan to "comply" online.

Yes, I am compliant.
My understanding is that the new laws state that the records must be kept online. Is this not the case? If it is the case, if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

Michaelious · 08-31-2005, 03:43 PM

well at leat the lawyers are getting work

sicone · 08-31-2005, 03:45 PM

so let me get this straight.

you are to cheap/broke to consult a lawyer, so instead you go to those who have paid for a lawyers service hping we will shell out the advice we paid for, for free?

do I have this right?

bigdog · 08-31-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by billywatson

Part of compliance IS the address where your records are being kept, and who the keeper is...so, hate to break the news to you - you're not compliant.

Oh, and PO Boxes aren't compliant...nor are those addies you rent, like at a Mail Boxes Etc and that sort.

i wonder how many people will get caught using some mailboxes etc type service, the feds will show up and be pissed

bdld · 08-31-2005, 04:22 PM

list your address or start deleting the porn.

billywatson · 08-31-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

i wonder how many people will get caught using some mailboxes etc type service, the feds will show up and be pissed

Be "pissed"?

Maybe.

Arrest you for violating 2257.

Yep.

MikeSmoke · 08-31-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

Yes, I am compliant.

If you're going to insist that you're compliant when:
a. you clearly aren't....
b. you clearly don't understand the new 2257 regs...
and
c. you clearly aren't going to talk to a first amendment lawyer to find out where you're in trouble....
then why don't you just go have dinner or something, secure in the knowledge that "Yes, I am compliant" ???

Pleasurepays · 08-31-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

Yes, I am compliant. Thanks for your concern, LOL.
My understanding is that the new laws state that the records must be kept online. Is this not the case? If it is the case, if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

how can you be compliant and not even remotely understand the law at the same time?

hahaha.

Kyo · 08-31-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

Yes, I am compliant.

My advice to you is to start listening to the people on this board who know WTF they're talking about and quit insisting you're compliant.

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

Maybe because the law requires them to be kept in a designated office? The law and regulations are fairly specific about that.

sinnistar · 09-01-2005, 11:32 AM

I keep all records of all models in my place of business. I list the address, etc. etc. I am 100 percent compliant.
This is the worst, fucking, board, I've ever seen. Just a bunch of assholes and idiots, and most are both.
I asked a simple question. If you don't know the answer, don't respond! I dealt with an attorney when I started my venture and I will, again, some time, this month.
I read through some of the new stuff, for 2257 and it states that all records must be kept on your server in a format that is viewable online. If this is the case then it seems redundant to, also, have to keep the records in your office. I asked that simple questions and what I get is a bunch of asshole remarks. Yeah, I'll quit wasting my time on this fucked up board and stick with my attorney. And he isn't an asshole! Imagine that!

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

May be a stupid question but, If I, completely, comply with the new 2257, as far as, listing all my models online, do I still need to keep the records at my place of business and list the keeper of records?

For the love of Allah.....Somebody please tell me that I am not reading this correctly.

Pleasurepays · 09-01-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

I keep all records of all models in my place of business. I list the address, etc. etc. I am 100 percent compliant.
This is the worst, fucking, board, I've ever seen. Just a bunch of assholes and idiots, and most are both.
I asked a simple question. If you don't know the answer, don't respond! I dealt with an attorney when I started my venture and I will, again, some time, this month.
I read through some of the new stuff, for 2257 and it states that all records must be kept on your server in a format that is viewable online. If this is the case then it seems redundant to, also, have to keep the records in your office. I asked that simple questions and what I get is a bunch of asshole remarks. Yeah, I'll quit wasting my time on this fucked up board and stick with my attorney. And he isn't an asshole! Imagine that!

dipshit... if you dont understand that you need to keep the records at your place of business, then you dont understand the law... hence, the people making fun of your stupidity in claiming that you are fully compliant.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

I read through some of the new stuff, for 2257 and it states that all records must be kept on your server in a format that is viewable online.

LOL...Yeah. OK

And you call others idiots?

NOWHERE in the regs does it say anything even remotely close to that.

You don't need an attorney, you need a robe and a high tree so you can hang yourself now.

assmunk · 09-01-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

I keep all records of all models in my place of business. I list the address, etc. etc. I am 100 percent compliant.
This is the worst, fucking, board, I've ever seen. Just a bunch of assholes and idiots, and most are both.
I asked a simple question. If you don't know the answer, don't respond! I dealt with an attorney when I started my venture and I will, again, some time, this month.
I read through some of the new stuff, for 2257 and it states that all records must be kept on your server in a format that is viewable online. If this is the case then it seems redundant to, also, have to keep the records in your office. I asked that simple questions and what I get is a bunch of asshole remarks. Yeah, I'll quit wasting my time on this fucked up board and stick with my attorney. And he isn't an asshole! Imagine that!

Dude, people won't offend you(or at least not this much) if you don't offend them WITHOUT knowing your shit...how the hell do you plan to keep models' private info 'VIEWABLE ONLINE'???

maybe instead of the new 2257 regs., you picked up this in an eBook format?

PLEASE familiarize yourself with 2257, because believe it or not...i saw some fucking buttwad webmaster post the infamous 'face and id' picture, that was probably included when he bought the content, on his tgp in a gallery.....FUCKING LAME! Take this shit seriously!Maybe he doesn't care, but the model sure as hell would....

sicone · 09-01-2005, 11:52 AM

you're right, I have no clue what I'm talking about, yet for some reason I was hired by adult.com to oversee the 2257 compliance. Hmmm, go figure.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

You don't need an attorney, you need a robe and a high tree so you can hang yourself now.

BTW, robe = rope. Since you are night bright enough to read properly when words are spelled correctly I figured having words misspelled might make things even tougher on you.

Sorry about that.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sicone

you're right, I have no clue what I'm talking about, yet for some reason I was hired by adult.com to oversee the 2257 compliance. Hmmm, go figure.

Hey now....Since you don't know shit about 2257 either, maybe you can get sinnistar hired on as your assistant?

sicone · 09-01-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Hey now....Since you don't know shit about 2257 either, maybe you can get sinnistar hired on as your assistant?

If Sinnistar has a offer, I can be mailed at the address located on the 2257 compliance page of each and everyone of my sites

assmunk · 09-01-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sicone

you're right, I have no clue what I'm talking about, yet for some reason I was hired by adult.com to oversee the 2257 compliance. Hmmm, go figure.

whhhaaaaaaaa? i was talking to sinnistar...

sicone · 09-01-2005, 12:12 PM

whaaaaaa yourself... I was talking to sinnistar too

assmunk · 09-01-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sicone

whaaaaaa yourself... I was talking to sinnistar too

ok then....:D

mikeyddddd · 09-01-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

Yes, I am compliant.
My understanding is that the new laws state that the records must be kept online. Is this not the case? If it is the case, if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

The problem may be your use of the term "accessable online" when you mean a digital copy.

From the regs:

"(e) Records required to be maintained under this part shall be
segregated from all other records, shall not contain any other records,
and shall not be contained within any other records.

(f) Records required to be maintained under this part may be kept
either in hard copy or in digital form, provided that they include
scanned copies of forms of identification and that there is a custodian
of the records who can authenticate each digital record.

Sec. 75.4 Location of records.

Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make
such records available at the producer's place of business."

So if you have digital copies of the required information segregated from other records at your place of business then you are compliant.

2257-Ben · 09-01-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

Yes, I am compliant. Thanks for your concern, LOL.
My understanding is that the new laws state that the records must be kept online. Is this not the case? If it is the case, if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

No, the new regs do NOT say they must be kept online. They state they MAY be kept electronically, which is not the same as being 'online'. They state that they must be indexed in various ways to facilitate inspections, but that doesn't necessarily mean they must be kept electronically. My recommendation to you would be to consult an attorney... and if you want to keep your records electronically, that you click on my signature in order to obtain the information you need to purchase 2257 MAVIS software, the only completely 2257 compliant solution that has been certified compliant by an adult industry attorney.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

the only completely 2257 compliant solution that has been certified compliant by an adult industry attorney.

Now where did I put my BULLSHIT meter?

You may have a good product but that claim is an outright lie.

2257-Ben · 09-01-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Now where did I put my BULLSHIT meter?

You may have a good product but that claim is an outright lie.

Hi Aaron,

Not a lie at all... and I have the PDF of the letter from the attorney to show. I've not seen any other software that is compliant either, so as far as I know it's the only one that has proven to be compliant and hopefully, soon, it will be the only one certified to be compliant by the DOJ.

nexcom28 · 09-01-2005, 12:55 PM

I have a question, If I didn't read forums, generally kept my head buried in the sand and continued to work hard building my non 2257 compliant sites how would I know about the 2257 rule?
I have never recieved anything in the way of email or letter so say I need to provide records.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Hi Aaron,

Not a lie at all... and I have the PDF of the letter from the attorney to show. I've not seen any other software that is compliant either, so as far as I know it's the only one that has proven to be compliant and hopefully, soon, it will be the only one certified to be compliant by the DOJ.

So I suppose the product that has been created in part by a very well known Adult industry attorney is not compliant?

Your claim is horseshit.

Not only that but at this time with the 2257 stuff all up in the air, there is no way to possibly state that ANY product is 100% compliant.

2257-Ben · 09-01-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nexcom28

I have a question, If I didn't read forums, generally kept my head buried in the sand and continued to work hard building my non 2257 compliant sites how would I know about the 2257 rule?
I have never recieved anything in the way of email or letter so say I need to provide records.

Your attorney would tell you that ignorance of the law is no excuse.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nexcom28

I have a question, If I didn't read forums, generally kept my head buried in the sand and continued to work hard building my non 2257 compliant sites how would I know about the 2257 rule?
I have never recieved anything in the way of email or letter so say I need to provide records.

Perhaps your attorney would inform you?

2257-Ben · 09-01-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

So I suppose the product that has been created in part by a very well known Adult industry attorney is not compliant?

Your claim is horseshit.

Not only that but at this time with the 2257 stuff all up in the air, there is no way to possibly state that ANY product is 100% compliant.

Aaron,

Just yesterday I got a telephone call from Samuel Kaplan, the DOJ attorney who is heading up the case between the FSC and the DOJ. I was on the telephone with him for more than an hour, explaining to him exactly how our software works and how it addresses specifics of the 2257 regulations. I'm sure, based upon his remarks, that I will be contacted again in the future and I welcome his calls. I know things regarding the 2257 case that he stated to me, that currently, very few, if any other people, know. Things are moving. BTW, Today is the legal deadline for them to start doing inpections if they want since the hearing was held on Aug 2 and it's been 30 days since the hearing and Judge Miller hasn't made his ruling. I would advise anyone that is not in compliance to get there ASAP as there has already been an application of 2257 charges in another case due to plain view evidence rules. Unless Judge Miller specifically states inspections cannot take place, they will be starting to implement them soon.

You can hit me up on ICQ and I'll be glad to send you a copy of the PDF letter from the attorney that has reviewed 2257 MAVIS.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Aaron,

Just yesterday I got a telephone call from Samuel Kaplan, the DOJ attorney who is heading up the case between the FSC and the DOJ. I was on the telephone with him for more than an hour, explaining to him exactly how our software works and how it addresses specifics of the 2257 regulations. I'm sure, based upon his remarks, that I will be contacted again in the future and I welcome his calls. I know things regarding the 2257 case that he stated to me, that currently, very few, if any other people, know. Things are moving. BTW, Today is the legal deadline for them to start doing inpections if they want since the hearing was held on Aug 2 and it's been 30 days since the hearing and Judge Miller hasn't made his ruling. I would advise anyone that is not in compliance to get there ASAP as there has already been an application of 2257 charges in another case due to plain view evidence rules. Unless Judge Miller specifically states inspections cannot take place, they will be starting to implement them soon.

You can hit me up on ICQ and I'll be glad to send you a copy of the PDF letter from the attorney that has reviewed 2257 MAVIS.

What does any of that have to do with your false claim of having the only product that is "certified compliant by an adult industry attorney."?

While you are at it, could you tell us the current market price for tea in China?

2257-Ben · 09-01-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

What does any of that have to do with your false claim of having the only product that is "certified compliant by an adult industry attorney."?

While you are at it, could you tell us the current market price for tea in China?

Aaron,
As far as I know, our software is the only one that has been certifed by an adult industry attorney to be completely compliant with the 2257 regulations that have been implemented as of June 23, 2005. If there is another software solution that is completely compliant, I have not heard of it. Perhaps you should enlighten all of us as to what this other supposedly compliant software is?

As for your assertions that the 2257 law is 'up in the air', this is not the case. There are regulations on the books that have gone into effect. The deadline for the stipulation agreement between the DOJ and the FSC has expired and if the DOJ was so inclined, inpections can start as of today, pursuant to the regulations that are in effect today.

AaronM · 09-01-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

Aaron,
As far as I know, our software is the only one that has been certifed by an adult industry attorney to be completely compliant with the 2257 regulations that have been implemented as of June 23, 2005. If there is another software solution that is completely compliant, I have not heard of it. Perhaps you should enlighten all of us as to what this other supposedly compliant software is?

As for your assertions that the 2257 law is 'up in the air', this is not the case. There are regulations on the books that have gone into effect. The deadline for the stipulation agreement between the DOJ and the FSC has expired and if the DOJ was so inclined, inpections can start as of today, pursuant to the regulations that are in effect today.

*yawn*

Use the search feature. It's not up to me to keep you up to date on your competition.

2257-Ben · 09-01-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

*yawn*

Use the search feature. It's not up to me to keep you up to date on your competition.

See, I knew you couldn't.

Heywood Jablome · 09-01-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

See, I knew you couldn't.

But I can!
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...&highlight=fsc

2257-Ben · 09-01-2005, 01:38 PM

Yes, I knew about this already. It was the name of the other software that I was asking Aaron for.

Heywood Jablome · 09-01-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2257-Ben

As for your assertions that the 2257 law is 'up in the air', this is not the case. There are regulations on the books that have gone into effect. The deadline for the stipulation agreement between the DOJ and the FSC has expired and if the DOJ was so inclined, inpections can start as of today, pursuant to the regulations that are in effect today.

MikeSmoke · 09-01-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

I read through some of the new stuff, for 2257 and it states that all records must be kept on your server in a format that is viewable online.

maybe you should spend less time on 2257 and more on your "english as a second language" classes?

Kassidy · 09-01-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sinnistar

I keep all records of all models in my place of business. I list the address, etc. etc. I am 100 percent compliant.
This is the worst, fucking, board, I've ever seen. Just a bunch of assholes and idiots, and most are both.
I asked a simple question. If you don't know the answer, don't respond! I dealt with an attorney when I started my venture and I will, again, some time, this month.
I read through some of the new stuff, for 2257 and it states that all records must be kept on your server in a format that is viewable online. If this is the case then it seems redundant to, also, have to keep the records in your office. I asked that simple questions and what I get is a bunch of asshole remarks. Yeah, I'll quit wasting my time on this fucked up board and stick with my attorney. And he isn't an asshole! Imagine that!

First of all, after spending just 2 minutes on this board you should have expected asshole answers. If you didn't want to hear it then you shouldn't have asked here.

Secondly, if you have consulted an attorney and have read the regulations, why are you asking shit here? You smuggly state that you're compliant but then ask for advice. Then you shoot down the advice offered. I don't get it.

08-31-2005, 02:15 PM	#1
sinnistar So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	2257, if I comply online do I still need an address? May be a stupid question but, If I, completely, comply with the new 2257, as far as, listing all my models online, do I still need to keep the records at my place of business and list the keeper of records?

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sinnistar So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	wow, is it me? Yes, I am compliant. Thanks for your concern, LOL. My understanding is that the new laws state that the records must be kept online. Is this not the case? If it is the case, if all records are required to be accessable online, then why would you, also, need them in a, designated, office?

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sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	so let me get this straight. you are to cheap/broke to consult a lawyer, so instead you go to those who have paid for a lawyers service hping we will shell out the advice we paid for, for free? do I have this right? __________________

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sinnistar So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 47	damn, what a bunch of fools I keep all records of all models in my place of business. I list the address, etc. etc. I am 100 percent compliant. This is the worst, fucking, board, I've ever seen. Just a bunch of assholes and idiots, and most are both. I asked a simple question. If you don't know the answer, don't respond! I dealt with an attorney when I started my venture and I will, again, some time, this month. I read through some of the new stuff, for 2257 and it states that all records must be kept on your server in a format that is viewable online. If this is the case then it seems redundant to, also, have to keep the records in your office. I asked that simple questions and what I get is a bunch of asshole remarks. Yeah, I'll quit wasting my time on this fucked up board and stick with my attorney. And he isn't an asshole! Imagine that!

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