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ZatCHICKPIXXX · 04-18-2002, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

if thats her, i hope she paid u to take her pics

thats NOT her

ZatCHICKPIXXX · 04-18-2002, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Sexymail
lmao, dayum dude, that ho is nasty, Im kinda ashamed of you for taking the pics in the 1st place, you need better taste.
But in all honesty, there are 2 sides to the story, it all depends on your 'moral' really.
Is it worth the hassle, it appears to me that the ho prolly doesnt make you much money anyways judging by her homley appearence.

ya got the wrong girl pal lol

ZatCHICKPIXXX · 04-18-2002, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Tam
It would probably gain you more respect to take them down. Sometimes being the nice guy pays off in the end. But ask her to write a letter of her appreciation for your taking her pics down, and then post this on your site where her pics were. If you made some money off her pics then you still made money AND you get the respect of being "The Nice Guy"

This is just MY opinion though. I am not a content producer or anything like that. I just know when I was posting people's pics on my site and being able to make galleries of them, I'd be making a bit of money from the pics, BUT when they asked to have them taken down, I'd take them down. Had one girl who was about to lose her job because someone she worked with seen them and reported her. I took them down ASAP.

TAM,

we were thnking of just taking her down for a while.
my partner is "the nice guy", and "I'M the bitch",
he's taken girls down before, but i want her up there!
oh well, guess she's cumin' down...........

ZatCHICKPIXXX · 04-18-2002, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

If he did then I know a lot of people who will be leaving the family.

Seriously though....Lee said it best. My advice is to decide if you want to be a nice guy or not. If I were you I would offer her a buy out option. If you are not willing to take the pics down then call your attorney and run the situation and documents by them. Then call her bluff.

Peace

thanks and my partner is the nice guy...i'm the business WOMAN!

ZatCHICKPIXXX · 04-18-2002, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by =^..^=
That chick really is skanky man, but as a content provider myself I realise that there IS a market for pics of chicks like her
If she' ssigned a release - then depending on how the release is worded there is nothing she can do

but it may be less costly to you to take them down

Then again - if her BF doesn't want them on the net) (where shes gonna be seen by ppl on theother side of the world - how do you think he's gonna feel about it going thru court and everyone in her hometown will know about these pics????

If he's REALLY as concerned as he says he is then there's noway he's gonna take this to court

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sinmaster · 04-18-2002, 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by ZatCHICKPIXXX

TAM,

we were thnking of just taking her down for a while.
my partner is "the nice guy", and "I'M the bitch",
he's taken girls down before, but i want her up there!
oh well, guess she's cumin' down...........

Soooo how will this effect webmasters that have purchased and used the content???? if at all.

Snake Doctor · 04-18-2002, 07:29 PM

Are her tits real? If so I'll buy a copy of all those sets before you take them down

Mike D · 04-18-2002, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by heymatty
take em down, ask her to refund the fee

if she doesn't return the fee oh well, sometimes its good to give people a break.

Half the girls getting photographed are born into a shit life, give em a bit of rope. Not like she is gonna make you much anyways.

AMEN BROTHA i agree 100 %

Mike...........

HQ · 04-18-2002, 07:51 PM

i vote take them down

beemk · 04-18-2002, 08:10 PM

i say dont take them down unless she wants to refund you. you dont go and sell your car and say "hey, my boyfriend said he still wants the car so i'm going to need it back.... but i'm keeping your money" do you? its the same principal.

FreeNetPass Steve · 04-18-2002, 08:18 PM

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first tell her boyfriend "what about the hardcore gangbang set i havent put up yet?"

ROFL!

SleazyDream · 04-18-2002, 08:21 PM

demand the modeling fee back and your studio time back in cash and sell the pics and sole licence back to her. Not worth the hastle, but if she isn't willing to give you the money you paid her (plus your studio time - at a REALISTIC REASONABLE RATE) then goto court and sue the ugly hoe.

If her lawyer is worth anything he'll agree to that, it more than fair as you loose profit in not selling the pics but you shouldn't have to loose your initial capital to do the shoot if she wants to break a contract. To me that seems to be the least waste of your time in the matter.

theWatsonian · 04-18-2002, 08:24 PM

If you aren't going to fight for the rights to your own content why the fuck would you expect us to buy from you?

Kimmykim · 04-18-2002, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by theWatsonian
If you aren't going to fight for the rights to your own content why the fuck would you expect us to buy from you?

Touche.

SykkBoy · 04-18-2002, 09:18 PM

I'm not the nice guy type...I'd tell her to get fucked...
she had no problems coming to you when she needed cash and posed nude for you....now suddenly she has a boyfriend and wants them down....tough shit...I'm a prick, I'd charge her 10x what you paid....and then I'd remind her boyfriend that she is already on the internet and those pics just simply can't be "taken back"

this is why I hate dealing with "talent"......it's turned me from "the nice guy" to "the raging prick"....fucking flaky chicks who hardly ever show up on time and have issues when they do or the suitcase pimp/boyfriend bugging them.........

situations like this are why we offer a 2 hour cool down period for a model to back out and we explain that once she signs the release and takes the money, there is NO going back...we also warn of the obligatory mother, family, daddy, etc. bullshit that could follow......

I would contact an attorney and make sure your release is bulletproof....then tell her "tough shit".....look at the pics of celebrities that re-surface after all these years and there is nothing they can do about it..and they even have GOOD attorneys....

You have her on videotape agreeing, so she can't claim she was forced...this is why when my partner does the shoots, everything is videotaped (not in a content manner, but in a "documenting the shoot" and covering the proverbial ass manner)

hyper · 04-18-2002, 11:41 PM

when she signed the release and you paid her.. you own the rights to those images.

If she doesnt understand that, then she shouldnt have signed the release.

you can offer to sell her the rights of those images, but there might be a problem with the sets you already sold, since she now owns the rights to those set of images.. In other words she now owns the rights to those images and she might be able to sue the webmasters who bought them. There maybe some kind of loophole there.

Really consult a lawyer before any decision is made, and make sure all ramifications of selling those rights back to her are defined.

Also these are costs that you will have to get reimbursed on. So she will end up paying dearly for changing her mind

kush · 04-19-2002, 12:28 AM

Tracy looks like a Grade A bitch to me - and she needs a Grade A bitch slapping. Do what'll save you more money and time.

4Pics · 04-19-2002, 12:44 AM

I just received word that Boneprone did fuck her

LeeNoga · 04-19-2002, 06:51 AM

Not to sounds redundant, but I am assuming the language on the model release is clear. The most important statement in the world is really reduced to few words, and those words are the description of the rights you had permission for such as print and online [electronic], and in some case a timeline if any.

Its always wise to contact an attorney, but having been the most sued webmaster since 1993 with copyright and model release challenges, I can tell you, she has NO standing, and unless she has a potload of money, she cannot even challenge you. To challenge you with a frivolous lawsuit will cost her twice, her fees and having to pay yours.

She was compensated [assuming you paid her & you can prove payment], you have signed releases [contract].

Having been dealing in content since 1991, I lost count of how many times we were challenged with the model or family up in arms over the conduct of their loved ones posing nude or comitting a sexual act....even had some claim their loved one was a minor at the time the images were shot and they did turn me into the Child Porn divison in CA.

My paperwork never failed me, and NO district attorney is gonna take her case because she had a change of heart and has asked you to stop distributing images...

If you want the images, they are yours, have fun, if you want to make concessions and pull them, its your choice, but if you choose to its not because you legally had too.

Now, on the other hand models tend to like to report photogs to authorities telling them bad things go on in the studio's, and sometimes this leads to a sting and computers get hauled out until your case is sorted out.....she could really put you through some changes........some call local community folks and they want to investigate your activities....

If you think she is gonna be the bitch from hell, decide how bad you want those images and are you willing to go to war over them....

Rochard · 04-19-2002, 11:21 AM

I agree with Lee 100% - You own those photos, end of story.

We've had this problem a number of times. Normally we give them the phone number of our attorney and that's the end of it. These girls have problems keep their phone bill paid; I doubt any of them would go as far as to contact an attorney.

On the other hand, in a number of cases we've taken the photos down.

Once a model asked us not to post the pictures a day after the shoot. We weren't too happy with the photos, so she returned the money she paid to us and we destroyed the pictures.

In other case one of our more popular models had a problem with her photos being printed up and passed out at her old high school, church, and other places in her home town. We liked this model and took the pictures down for a while until things settled, then put them back up in our member's area.

It's all about how you want to deal with it.

Gramma · 04-19-2002, 11:30 AM

Watsonian - AMEN!!!

I've had people say , I saw my pictures on your site, I never posed for those nude photos.. TAKE THEM DOWN.
I said " I have a license, release, and photo id here .. if you never posed for them .. they can't be you and I'm not taking them down."

As Lee says .. the model release CLEARLY states they're mine to do with WHATEVER I PLEASE .. in any format.
If your model release doesn't say that - get a new model release.

What's she gonna sue for anyway? ? the dipshit
THe same woman that told me she hadn't posed for any nude pictures, also told me she contacted local police force, and the fbi.. yah right - and told them what?

Brad Mitchell · 04-19-2002, 11:34 AM

Boy she's really homely. I liked the suggestion of having her paid you three times what you paid her. It's not your fault she sold her soul

Brad

Nedder · 04-19-2002, 11:48 AM

Lee is exactly right, if you don't take his advice RIGHT NOW you will be sorry I bet.

If you take them down, I think you need a lawyer to draft something that absolves you from any further harassment by these people and have them sign it. They'll see her pics on the Net and still be crawling all over your ass for selling them in the first place.

Nz

SykkBoy · 04-19-2002, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Gramma
Watsonian - AMEN!!!

I've had people say , I saw my pictures on your site, I never posed for those nude photos.. TAKE THEM DOWN.
I said " I have a license, release, and photo id here .. if you never posed for them .. they can't be you and I'm not taking them down."

As Lee says .. the model release CLEARLY states they're mine to do with WHATEVER I PLEASE .. in any format.
If your model release doesn't say that - get a new model release.

What's she gonna sue for anyway? ? the dipshit
THe same woman that told me she hadn't posed for any nude pictures, also told me she contacted local police force, and the fbi.. yah right - and told them what?

yeah, Gramma....I think there may be some pictures of a strapping young lad "entertaining" some mature women on your site......he claims to be me, but that is impossible ;))))))))))))))

UnseenWorld · 04-19-2002, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
could they put some lil twist on it tho? like say it damaged her reputation and so and so.

could be a long shot

That's why you have them sign a release! The release says they don't mind where the photo or used or how. It holds you harmless for anything undesirable that happens as a consequence, etc. It usually also says that they've read the release through and are signing it after giving it due thought, that they weren't under duress, and so on. Releases can be set aside, but they require a better reason than that it hurt their reputation.

Why not offer to let the girl buy herself out. Estimate how much the pics would probably make you in the next five years and then set up a payment plan. Take them off the market immediately, but tell her they'll be back on the market if she misses a payment.

UnseenWorld · 04-19-2002, 01:45 PM

Refund just the fee? What about the VALUE of the photos over some set period of time, like five years? Minimally, the fee, any related costs, and like $100/hr for your time. TEACH her that agreements are not to be entered into lighty. She's an adult, treat her like one.

Paul Markham · 04-19-2002, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by klik
http://www.chickpixxx.com/NewChickPi...reeki-bt-1.jpg

eww im sorry

Do not know, why you took picture of her.

Did she fuck you?

Snake Doctor · 04-19-2002, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

That's why you have them sign a release! The release says they don't mind where the photo or used or how. It holds you harmless for anything undesirable that happens as a consequence, etc. It usually also says that they've read the release through and are signing it after giving it due thought, that they weren't under duress, and so on. Releases can be set aside, but they require a better reason than that it hurt their reputation.

Why not offer to let the girl buy herself out. Estimate how much the pics would probably make you in the next five years and then set up a payment plan. Take them off the market immediately, but tell her they'll be back on the market if she misses a payment.

Ok Unseen, but what about the webmasters that have already bought a licensce to use the images? What sort of stipulation in this deal is there for them?
You guys deal a lot in repeat business, and if I buy a set today, and then I am told months from now that I have to remove the pictures or be subject to litigation by the model who bought her pics back, that's one provider I'll never do business with again. (and imagine the nightmare involved for webmasters who used the images for banner and tour designs)

And still no one has answered the most important question of this thread. Are her tits real? LOL

lawpal · 04-19-2002, 04:12 PM

I am a lawyer, and I am telling you GO TALK TO YOUR LAWYER. If you do not have one, get one now. It is better to spend a few bucks now than to get sued and possibly lose tens of thousands of dollars.

http://www.lawyers.com

or

A lot of lawyers shy away from adult work, but just explain that you have an intellectual property issue that you want to prevent from blowing up into litigation. They should be glad to give you an initial consult for nothing, and remember, always, that fees are negotiable, just don't be cheap because you get what you pay for.

You can ICQ me later if you want, but I am going out to see the Scorpion King, so I will be away for a few hours.

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jimmyf · 04-19-2002, 04:25 PM

For a price you can give her the old man's ICQ,

I'll eat her pussy to get you out of a Jam (for a price) and she'll shine her boy friend...

It sounds to me like you want to take some more pics of this skank. I'll get her to do another shoot at half price....

Some of the best pussy I've ever had, from skanks.

This deal is good for 3 hours...

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04-18-2002, 09:18 PM	#65
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	I'm not the nice guy type...I'd tell her to get fucked... she had no problems coming to you when she needed cash and posed nude for you....now suddenly she has a boyfriend and wants them down....tough shit...I'm a prick, I'd charge her 10x what you paid....and then I'd remind her boyfriend that she is already on the internet and those pics just simply can't be "taken back" this is why I hate dealing with "talent"......it's turned me from "the nice guy" to "the raging prick"....fucking flaky chicks who hardly ever show up on time and have issues when they do or the suitcase pimp/boyfriend bugging them......... situations like this are why we offer a 2 hour cool down period for a model to back out and we explain that once she signs the release and takes the money, there is NO going back...we also warn of the obligatory mother, family, daddy, etc. bullshit that could follow...... I would contact an attorney and make sure your release is bulletproof....then tell her "tough shit".....look at the pics of celebrities that re-surface after all these years and there is nothing they can do about it..and they even have GOOD attorneys.... You have her on videotape agreeing, so she can't claim she was forced...this is why when my partner does the shoots, everything is videotaped (not in a content manner, but in a "documenting the shoot" and covering the proverbial ass manner) __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

04-18-2002, 07:51 PM	#59
HQ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,539	i vote take them down

04-18-2002, 11:41 PM	#66
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	when she signed the release and you paid her.. you own the rights to those images. If she doesnt understand that, then she shouldnt have signed the release. you can offer to sell her the rights of those images, but there might be a problem with the sets you already sold, since she now owns the rights to those set of images.. In other words she now owns the rights to those images and she might be able to sue the webmasters who bought them. There maybe some kind of loophole there. Really consult a lawyer before any decision is made, and make sure all ramifications of selling those rights back to her are defined. Also these are costs that you will have to get reimbursed on. So she will end up paying dearly for changing her mind __________________

04-19-2002, 12:28 AM	#67
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	Tracy looks like a Grade A bitch to me - and she needs a Grade A bitch slapping. Do what'll save you more money and time.

04-19-2002, 12:44 AM	#68
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	I just received word that Boneprone did fuck her

04-19-2002, 06:51 AM	#69
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	Not to sounds redundant, but I am assuming the language on the model release is clear. The most important statement in the world is really reduced to few words, and those words are the description of the rights you had permission for such as print and online [electronic], and in some case a timeline if any. Its always wise to contact an attorney, but having been the most sued webmaster since 1993 with copyright and model release challenges, I can tell you, she has NO standing, and unless she has a potload of money, she cannot even challenge you. To challenge you with a frivolous lawsuit will cost her twice, her fees and having to pay yours. She was compensated [assuming you paid her & you can prove payment], you have signed releases [contract]. Having been dealing in content since 1991, I lost count of how many times we were challenged with the model or family up in arms over the conduct of their loved ones posing nude or comitting a sexual act....even had some claim their loved one was a minor at the time the images were shot and they did turn me into the Child Porn divison in CA. My paperwork never failed me, and NO district attorney is gonna take her case because she had a change of heart and has asked you to stop distributing images... If you want the images, they are yours, have fun, if you want to make concessions and pull them, its your choice, but if you choose to its not because you legally had too. Now, on the other hand models tend to like to report photogs to authorities telling them bad things go on in the studio's, and sometimes this leads to a sting and computers get hauled out until your case is sorted out.....she could really put you through some changes........some call local community folks and they want to investigate your activities.... If you think she is gonna be the bitch from hell, decide how bad you want those images and are you willing to go to war over them....

04-19-2002, 11:21 AM	#70
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04-19-2002, 11:30 AM	#71
Gramma Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 402	Watsonian - AMEN!!! I've had people say , I saw my pictures on your site, I never posed for those nude photos.. TAKE THEM DOWN. I said " I have a license, release, and photo id here .. if you never posed for them .. they can't be you and I'm not taking them down." As Lee says .. the model release CLEARLY states they're mine to do with WHATEVER I PLEASE .. in any format. If your model release doesn't say that - get a new model release. What's she gonna sue for anyway? ? the dipshit THe same woman that told me she hadn't posed for any nude pictures, also told me she contacted local police force, and the fbi.. yah right - and told them what? __________________ gramma at ix.netcom.com

04-19-2002, 11:34 AM	#72
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04-19-2002, 11:48 AM	#73
Nedder Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 555	Lee is exactly right, if you don't take his advice RIGHT NOW you will be sorry I bet. If you take them down, I think you need a lawyer to draft something that absolves you from any further harassment by these people and have them sign it. They'll see her pics on the Net and still be crawling all over your ass for selling them in the first place. Nz

04-19-2002, 01:45 PM	#76
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Refund just the fee? What about the VALUE of the photos over some set period of time, like five years? Minimally, the fee, any related costs, and like $100/hr for your time. TEACH her that agreements are not to be entered into lighty. She's an adult, treat her like one. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by UnseenWorld; 04-19-2002 at 01:51 PM..

04-19-2002, 04:12 PM	#79
lawpal Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Miami Posts: 824	I am a lawyer, and I am telling you GO TALK TO YOUR LAWYER. If you do not have one, get one now. It is better to spend a few bucks now than to get sued and possibly lose tens of thousands of dollars. http://www.lawyers.com or A lot of lawyers shy away from adult work, but just explain that you have an intellectual property issue that you want to prevent from blowing up into litigation. They should be glad to give you an initial consult for nothing, and remember, always, that fees are negotiable, just don't be cheap because you get what you pay for. You can ICQ me later if you want, but I am going out to see the Scorpion King, so I will be away for a few hours. ICQ = 381427

04-19-2002, 04:25 PM	#80
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	For a price you can give her the old man's ICQ, I'll eat her pussy to get you out of a Jam (for a price) and she'll shine her boy friend... It sounds to me like you want to take some more pics of this skank. I'll get her to do another shoot at half price.... Some of the best pussy I've ever had, from skanks. This deal is good for 3 hours... __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting