Gerco

Object Freaks Using stolden content. not only to promote their site but as PART of the the fucking tour!

Here is the email back and forth with them back in Feb...

Took a look and didn't see anything in there. Thanks for understanding and letting me look You can remove the pass now if you like.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kjetil Jensen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Unlicensed use of our images in your tour.


Hi Cory,

That sounds like a good idea. I've set you up with a temp user:

user: cory01
pass: extreme
login: www.unrealbank.com/members/

Let me know asap if you find any of your content and I'll get rid of it!

Regards,
Kjetil Jensen
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Kjetil Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Unlicensed use of our images in your tour.


I've seen other images used in adds and such. Possible to take a look at the members area so I can make sure none of our stuff is there? (People grap a lot of our old stuff off the newgroups which was posted by an old member, we have never posted to newsgroups ourselves.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Kjetil Jensen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Unlicensed use of our images in your tour.


Hi Cory,

Thanks for letting me know. I've contacted a design company to get them to fix that :/

Regards,
Kjetil Jensen
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Kjetil Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Unlicensed use of our images in your tour.


http://www.objectfreaks.com/

Part of the actual design.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kjetil Jensen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: Unlicensed use of our images in your tour.


Hi Cory,

Thanks for letting me know about any copyright infrigments. I bought a few of the sites with some content on them and have already had to remove a picture set. What URL have you found the pictures on? I have a lot of sites and I could find the texts used on the sites I checked.

Regards,
Kjetil Jensen
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:47 PM
Subject: Unlicensed use of our images in your tour.


Im sending this letter to inform you that you are using our pictures on your main tour without our permission. Please have them removed.

All 4 pictures along the top of the tour are copyrighted. labled "The most gigantic dildos deep in ass" "Extreme pussy and ass stretching" "Big bottles in tight and tiny holes" and Whole can deep in cunt"

These pictures are copyrighted to Extremehole.com, Gerco Inc. and can not be used without our written agreement.

I'm sending this to you first and awaiting a reply if none, I will have a C&D sent to webair.

Cory Gerrells
Gerco Inc
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As you can see in the tour, it has NOT been fixed or had my images removed. http://www.objectfreaks.com/

Here are a couple TGP pages of theirs using My content to promote their site...

http://www.femdompost.net/objects/ob...ertion-42.html
http://www.objectfreaks.com/tgp/30/index.php?id=1013897


I'm done fucking around with these guys. They have all been issued DCMA's for the offending content and failed to listen. Now I'm going to go after them for the thieft. I'm giving them the weekend to stop using my content to promote their crap or I bring in the lawyers and yes, I do have a firm on retainer. I have documented this infringment for awhile now, and have sent DMAC letters to hosts, domain owners etc. Including original watermarked images that have been edited by the offender to remove my watermark and use for their own means. Take this as the last warning.

I have 3 others on my shit list also so far... but I will be dealing with them 1 at a time...

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Gets Better... I signed up to unrealbanks affilaite program and guess what, they are using MY content in the hosted gallery system! So not only does that show direct thieft of my content, but also that means that they are not 2257 compliant either, since they have absolutly no documentation on any of these pictures....

Actual Links generated by Unrealbanks affliate program to an affilaite account I created for myself to check thier system..

Desc: Woman loves to fuck bottles
Num Pictures/Movies: 15
Link: Visit Gallery
No thumb available Date Added: 06/15/06
URL:
http://www.objectfreaks.com/tgp/23/index.php?id=1348953


Desc: Mature fucking huge objects
Num Pictures/Movies: 15
Link: Visit Gallery
No thumb available Date Added: 06/15/06
http://www.objectfreaks.com/tgp/25/index.php?id=1348953

Desc: She inserts metal ball in twat
Num Pictures/Movies: 15
Link: Visit Gallery
No thumb available Date Added: 06/15/06
http://www.objectfreaks.com/tgp/30/index.php?id=1348953

Desc: Mature fucking huge objects
Num Pictures/Movies: 15
Link: Visit Gallery
No thumb available Date Added: 06/15/06
http://www.ratherextreme.com/tgp/24/...php?id=1348953

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Violetta

Slow down a bit now! I have know Kjetil since forever, and I know that he would NEVER use content not beeing payed for, or having the right licences for! I have textmessaged him about this thread, but I doubt he is awake. It is in the middle of the night here in Skandinavia!

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Jace

um...this actually seems pretty cut and dry from where I sit...LOL

I would have done far more than a nice gfy post

Violetta

what would you do then... ?

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Dagwolf

It's not safe to sleep anymore.

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GonZo

Whats there to slow down about?
I know for a fact that content isnt for sale and it is copyrighted.

Hes 100% in the right by issuing a DCMA complaint and asking it to be removed.

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Violetta

Then I am sure this will be settled between him and Jensen. No need to take this to gfy. And what is the story after 22 feb? Just curious

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Gerco

Gonzo knows me personally, and knows that I would not start some fake drama.. In fact I have been MORE that patient in dealing with this. My content is VERY simple to point out, Samantha Luvcox is well enough known in the Large insertion fetish that member are constantly pointing out sites etc to me that are stealing my content. I'm not playing around anymore. Unrealbucks is making money off me and my content illegally. Plain and simple. In fact, I'm the guy IN the fucking picture... Let him try and show me where I signed anything to let him use MY image... hard to fucking argue with this.

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Violetta

haha... Ok, I dont know anything.

I've sent his this link. Dont know when he will be online though!

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Jace

bullshit

content theft needs to be exposed on a public level, ALWAYS

all these people that always say "no reason to bring it to the boards" when it is a illegal activity in question, make me wonder about how they run their business and what content they are stealing

Violetta

Well how do you know that it is an illegal activity? By blindly beliving what Gerco says? Not saying that I know, but how the fuck can you know? This is a matter between Jensen and Gerco untill it's proven that Jensen has been using this illegal or not.

Lets hear what Jensen has to say first! I cant judge just by hearing what Gerco says, even though he seems to be talking the truth.

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Gerco

Well, lets see here. I'm the guy IN the pictures... Samantha Luvcox is my EX WIFE. I Own Extremehole.com and Took the pictures personally. Except for the ones that I'm in in which I had a friend take for us. Great that your willing to stick up for a friend, but there is NO question here. Even in the email back from your friend he admits he and I quote "I bought a few of the sites with some content on them and have already had to remove a picture set." So, It's shows me that he doesn't even know where the content on his sites originate from. I would also like to ask him about the Payton content I see him also using, I know Payton. She has been retired from this industry for a couple years know and as far as I know the only people with any rights to any of her stuff is ME, Dennio, and I believe Abraxa shot with her. (Any of course Lisa Luv, who is also retired now and again the same story) These guys that think they can go out and strip content from around the internet to build a pay site without any regard for those of us that actually created and own that content do nothing more that piss me off and it's time to start calling them out. Like I said I have a small list growing of other sites doing the same and I'm going to publically out every fucking one of them. I'm actually being the nice guy here, I'm giving him the weekend to permently remove the content I own from his servers/sites My next step is his host and his billing company ccbill, who I also use. I have absolutely no problem posting ANY information showing my proof of ownership, including the ORIGINAL pictures, and signed releases for those pictures. In fact in the original email to him I sent along a copy of the original etc. There is only a couple sites on the net that have access to any of the content that I or my ex wife have done. Fistingsex.com has some sets they paid to use. Dennio.com has some of our VERY early stuff that I don't even use on extremehole, since I shot it for his exclusivity, and people that we shot with in group setting. (Porno Dan, Sammy4u, Brittney Andrews, Rhiannon to name a few) But the list is VERY short and well documented. Unrealbank IS NOT one of those on that list.

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Jace

gerco, where are you from? we have a lot of the same friends

Gerco

I'm over near Cincinnati. Oh. But on the Kentucky side.

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Violetta

I hear ya... It will be settled. Got a reply from Jensen. He'll be online tomorrow and deal with this! Good luck, and I hope everything will be alright!

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Gerco

Thats good. Thats all I have been asking for. But He might want to go though his content a little better and do a little research. He's not only going to hurt himself but he could potentionally hurt anyone pushing his sites (Affiliates) Since there is NO way he could be 2257 compliant.

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Jace

oh nice, convington?

I am from lexington, I will actually be up there next week for some family business

Gerco

Lexinton? NICE. I have friends there aslo and we have been talking about setting up a new studio there. You know Eric and Selena?

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hit me on icq 4009474

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Jace

I actually don't know many people in the adult industry up there, most of my time was spent partying when I lived there, I didn't get into the adult game til after I left, I guess I was about 24 or so

I will hit you on icq when I get it reinstalled....Just had to format my laptop drive, getting shit set back up now

Gerco

Sounds good.

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dcortez

I would like to see how this turns out.

I don't know either of the parties and the claims made here seem pretty solid, but I find it inconsistent with the impression I got when I check out Unreal last winter - they seemed like a decent bunch.

It would be helpful to get their point of view on record here as well.

I don't mean to discredit the claims made here, but this infringement seems odd.

Jensen

I haven't recieved any emails from Gerco since February and assumed there was no further problem as the header was altered and we had a nice chat to work things over.

I have just written to him after Rockatansky alerted me and offered my apologies. The content was not supposed to be there and that is my responsibility. The galleries have of course be changed and I'm waiting for his feedback on the header/tour.

I have also offered him a fee for damages and would be happy to comply with whatever he thinks would be fair in this case. My apologies to Gerco once again...

GonZo

Hahaha the only blind I saw in this thread was some blind faith.

How do you argue with a man that you have the rights to his content when it is him in the picture as well? Yall crack me up.

Good thing is your friend seems to be a class act and handled it like a business man.

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Jensen, we have never met, but from having visited your site and getting a sense of how you seem to conduct yourself, I believe you are sincere and operate ethically.

When I saw this post, the claims did not balance with impression of your biz.

Gerco, as you raised this alarm (on a public forum), can you please explain the diff in communications? It sounds like Jensen understood the matter to be resolved. Did you send further communications which were left outstanding and unanswered?

While there is no excuse for content being published without permission, when purchasing and/or inheriting a web realm, there may be skeletons the new owner is unaware of.

Is this just a case of the communication trail broke and the complainer assumed the 'alleged offender' was no longer cooperating, while the 'alleged offender' assume the matter was resolved - aka unneccesary drama which could have been resolved with an escalated attempt at communication (ie written registered letter, phone call).

What am I missing here?

gooddomains

Still after 12 years every couple of months the same things happen....

Gerco

Thanks for the reply email. As to the header, I did mention it in the original email... (All 4 pictures along the top of the tour are copyrighted. labled "The most gigantic dildos deep in ass" "Extreme pussy and ass stretching" "Big bottles in tight and tiny holes" and Whole can deep in cunt")

Here is a picture with the offending pictures circled... taken today from site...



How would one even figure out a compensation... how about send the amount of traffic that the images help generate to my site? Basically, for me the big thing is to secure what is mine and I thank you for taking care of this.

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I know Jensen you fool. There aint no blind faith here. I understand that Gerco owns 100%. And right must be right. Jensen has to remove those pics, which he WILL do. But this is horrible communication. I mean no communication since february, and than 7 months later, a thread like this on a public board?



BTW, nice said dcortez

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Gerco

"Gerco, as you raised this alarm (on a public forum), can you please explain the diff in communications? It sounds like Jensen understood the matter to be resolved. Did you send further communications which were left outstanding and unanswered?"

Simple. This is how it's going to be from now on. you use my pictures or my video without my permission, you not only get the DMCA letter to you, your host and a extra to your billing company for good measure, but if it's not resolved on the FIRST attempt, I'm bringing it to the boards. I'm sick of all the places I see my stuff being used illegaly and I'm making an effort to put a stop to it in the most direct and public way possiable. There is NO excuse. How can anyone claim they have "rights" to any image without anything writen from the photographer, the models etc.

You people that are just pulling anything off the net that looks good to you to push your business are going to learn in a public way that this is incorect. I have tried to go the private email way, it does not work. It costs me time and money to issue DMCA letters. It takes time and money to try and track those that are stealing the content. This SHOULD be made public, not just in my case but in EVERYONES. There should be a site dedicated to outing people and companies that are doing this and if someone is busted using stolden content then there should be a place for those others to see that. It just so happens that there is not such site... but there is GFY. Notice how fast things can get taken care of right here. Companys don't want to have there names here in a bad light and will do anything to try and make themselves look better. Fine. At least it's getting the job done. Like I said before. I have others that I'm going to go after next.. a couple bigger TGP'S that like to use my pictures at the catagory holders for thier site... yet don't even have one link to me and have not become part of my affilate program. They will be shown here.. with screen capture proof of the thieft, AND the DCMA letters will go out to them and thier hosting companys. Enough is enough.

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see above post.

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dcortez

Ok. I think we all get the part that you have zero tolerance for your content being used without your license/permission - that's good and that's reasonable. I share that view as well.

What I don't understand is how did this content end up on sites it should not have been on? Was there ANY prior arrangement for the design and galleries in question which was later revoked?

If you're finding your content in unauthorised places today, should it never have been there or is this a deal which has changed hands/gone sour and now it's no longer cool with you?

As far as unauthorised content use, personally, I don't believe in Cease and Desists - that's for wimps and it lets cheaters off the hook (if they stop when they're busted). The damage is already done. Suggesting someone stop doing more damage (as it is being added to their bill) is a good idea, but many content thieves assume they will get away with copyright infringement if they stop when they get a C&D.

If they knew that they were violating copyright (ie. they did not have a license in hand at the time), they have incurred damages. A C&D does not absolve them of those damages, but it may help them not dig their hole deeper if they're smart.

This is all fine and good if it is a clear case. And that's what puzzles me here - is this a clear and simple case? The content was *never* allowed (even in any affiliate context)?

Gerco

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And I know Cory so what?
Why put up copyrighted material in the first place?

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Gerco, your claim IS serious. Noone said it wasn't.

But being a rude ass at anyone who asks you reasonable questions is not going to solve anything.

YOU brought this to the board. I'm really not sure of what you expected by the way you presented this.

In an case, good luck with your problem.

Gerco

Was not meant to be rude. but it is fustrating. If I was one of the larger sponsors here the sheep would be screaming bloody murder about the thief. Since I'm a smaller player they think it doesn't effect them. Well, as affilaites it DOES affect them, because if your found using any stolden content then your going to get knocked down for it. Here is a case where the affilaites are trusting the sponsor whoes even hosting the content and they could get in trouble also.

What do you think the responce would have been if Steve Lightspeed had found some of his content used in the exact same manner? Would this be a thread with 5 people comenting or 500?

At least the Galleries look to have been removed from the affilaite system at this point. the Header is still up and running and not changed yet...

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New definition of rude is when your buddy gets punked out for using stolen content.

7 months to comply is plenty of time!

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Gerco, if it is any concellation, I didn't think you came off rude at any point in this thread. In fact, you have stayed way cooler in the past when it comes to this shit

Gerco

Thanks Don't forget to hit me up on ICQ.

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OMG! Let me bump this old thread! My "friends at Object Freaks" are at it again and are AGAIN using my content without permission. DMCA already sent to them, webair and ccbill.

Fucking asshole.

st0ned

I didn't even realize I was reading an old thread until you posted that. What a bunch of dicks huh? I will add them to my "Do Not Promote" list.

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Gerco

Well, I just got off the phone with Ccbill Policy Review over this. and just finished sending them all the required documentation. I also made it a point to send the same documentation to Objectfreaks host Webair and directly to Unrealbanks admin (again) It will interesting to watch the outcome. Ccbill was VERY helpful over the phone and said they are going to get with "Jensen" on Monday and if it's not taken care of freeze his accounts.

Reak AGV

Good job, that they have deleted it now.

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Guess I finally got someone's attention eh? I wonder how long till it's back this time.

Gerco

Well, the issue just got bigger. After digging deeper I found that he has used the content in question on his FHG. The new DMCA which ccbill, webair and he just got is 47 pages long and affects Unrealbank.com. objectfreaks.com, ratherextreme.com, fistingking.com devilspen.com, shockingextreme.com and fistordie.com.

Ccbill downloaded it directly while I was talking to them and webair has escalated it to their management telling me I should here back from them in the next 4-5 hours.

Since he took down the very first little DMCA I know he's aware of it, I hit him up on ICQ no response, nor has he tried to contact me via email about the issue. So I was left with no choice.

Had he been a man, and lived up to what he said back in the beginning we would not be here today.

Deej

harsh!

Content theft is for pussies

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