So Will, do you have 2257 docs on hand for every ClickCash ho? - GoFuckYourself.com

jimthefiend · 12-13-2006, 06:32 PM

Just wondering...

jimthefiend · 12-13-2006, 06:39 PM

Bump.

sicone · 12-13-2006, 06:42 PM

how does a webcam company comply with 2257 anyways. Arent these girls everywhere around the world?

Also, whats to stop them from say sending in a copy of a ID for a girl that isnt them and then performing anyways?

jimthefiend · 12-13-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sicone

how does a webcam company comply with 2257 anyways. Arent these girls everywhere around the world?

Also, whats to stop them from say sending in a copy of a ID for a girl that isnt them and then performing anyways?

Alot of them don't even really try, yes they are, nothing and nothing.

Thats why I'm so fucking livid at Will trying to act all mary ellen and shit on a fucking compliance issue. That's a fucking JOKE.

jimthefiend · 12-13-2006, 07:07 PM

Bump.

Time to go sit through World Trade Center. I'm told it sucks, but whatever.

Brujah · 12-13-2006, 07:14 PM

Will may not, but all AFF affiliates do right?

greygoose · 12-13-2006, 07:14 PM

you guys beef a lot.

StuartD · 12-13-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Time to go sit through World Trade Center. I'm told it sucks, but whatever.

I have that sitting on the coffee table, will get to it tomorrow. Lemme know what you think.

After Shock Media · 12-13-2006, 07:17 PM

In regards to the clickcash performers (thoughts on will aside).
They need to sign some paper work, provide Government issued ID's and a secondary ID. (faxed or mailed in).
They then need to get on camera and validate themselves. This involves them taking a close up face picture with ID next to face. Full body shot. An identifying mark if they have them like tats, piercings etc. There is like six or so required pictures.

Then the staff checks the mailed or faxed in documents, and also checks each and every webcam picture taken. They often reject many and you end up doing it a few times. Then you need to redo this process every year.

That said, they also have some gizmo that they think makes them and all their performers compliant. It is an electronic gadget that can scan pictures etc and get info and crap. Reality is that they really mislead the performers into a false sense of security with compliance laws. Remember clickcash's sites are the secondary producers and the performers are the primaries. Now think about that for a moment, then remember they are encouraged to self promote, build mini sites, members sites, fan clubs etc.

nastynun · 12-13-2006, 07:21 PM

Looks like their gizmo is pretty big.
http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=PhotoTour
http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=retrieve
http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=MyFileCabinet

After Shock Media · 12-13-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nastynun

Looks like their gizmo is pretty big.
http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=PhotoTour
http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=retrieve
http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=MyFileCabinet

I love their looks to young standard. Wish someone would sue their ass.

llporter · 12-13-2006, 08:33 PM

owned../

will76 · 12-13-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Alot of them don't even really try, yes they are, nothing and nothing.

Thats why I'm so fucking livid at Will trying to act all mary ellen and shit on a fucking compliance issue. That's a fucking JOKE.

Damn I was hoping Jimmie would run his mouth a little more so his ownage would be more severe.

Do I have 2257 for every ClickCash ho?

I stopped using nude images from ifriends well over a year ago when the new 2257 changes were being talked about. Even though ifriends has some system in place, that they said would cover me, I choose not to use nude images of girls that I do not have 2257 documents on.

I know ifriends has one of the most vigorous age documentation setups. Having had girls work for me in the past on ifriends, I personally helped them create their account and go through the documentation process. If one little thing is wrong, if the picture is too blurry, anything is out of line, they kick it back to you. I feel confident that ifriend's content is all legal. HOWEVER I still do not use any of their nude content. You can ask any ifriends chathost, they will tell you how involvoing their chathost signup process is, hell ask Trey! lol.

Even when I was using nude content from them in the past I never used any girls that looked young. Infact, about 4 years ago they questioned one of the girls on my site ( i thought she looked no younger then 20) and they asked me to provide proof how old she was. Well it was easy enough since it was one of their chathost so I showed them exact page where I got the picture from.

Ifriends takes this very seriously. I actually thank them for making me realize how important these issues are, they took them seriously so I was forced to take it seriously as well. For example they don't want you to use the word "teen" unless it is associated with the numbers "18" or "19". So I got use to saying 18teen etc. Ifriends is also a non nude site. You wont see any nudity on their site until you signup. none. They run a tight ship and I am thankful that I hooked up with them early on and learned from them.

When I need to use nude content I purchase it and get the documentation for it. I've spent 5K in content (from someone off of GFY) in just the past couple months for promos etc.

For TeamClickCash, I also removed all nude content from the site. All the promos that I made for others to use are non nude. I also advise everyone I help to not use any nude content unless they buy it and get docs on it.

Thanks for bringing this up Jimmie and giving me an opertunity to not only make you look stupid YET again but to let everyone know how wonder ifriends is

P.S. Jimmie in the future use my name " Will76 " in your title. I hate to miss one of your threads and miss the oppertunity to own you some more. Oh, if i upset you just correct a few of my grammar errors here and call me a moron and you will make yourself feel better

will76 · 12-13-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I love their looks to young standard. Wish someone would sue their ass.

WHY ? they are being cautious and proactive. Damn, you think someone would commend them for that and you say " I wish someone would sue their ass" ? wtf ?

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Originally Posted by ifriends

The "Looks Too Young" Standard
To ensure we err on the side of caution, iFriends' compliance personnel routinely invoke the company's unusual "Looks too Young" standard. Under this standard, even if a model produces all necessary documentation and proves to iFriends' satisfaction that he or she is well over the age of 18, if any member of iFriends' compliance or legal staff holds the opinion that the model nevertheless has an extremely youthful appearance (for example, a mature 20-year-old woman with an underdeveloped body), iFriends will not permit the model to appear on iFriends until such time as her physical appearance matures to the point that she appears to the casual observer to be clearly beyond 18 years of age. The above model is 20 years of age. Her application for an iFriends 18+ ID Card was rejected under the "Looks Too Young" standard.

I wish more companies acted this way. Instead people do the opposite they take girls who just made 18 and make them look 14.

and then wonder why they get complaints and heat from the govt.

will76 · 12-13-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

That said, they also have some gizmo that they think makes them and all their performers compliant. It is an electronic gadget that can scan pictures etc and get info and crap. Reality is that they really mislead the performers into a false sense of security with compliance laws. Remember clickcash's sites are the secondary producers and the performers are the primaries. Now think about that for a moment, then remember they are encouraged to self promote, build mini sites, members sites, fan clubs etc.

And this is different then all other webcam companies... how ?

will76 · 12-14-2006, 12:31 AM

Yo Jimmie, movie has to be over by now. Please come back and post.

BTW, why don't you explain to us why you don't promote your own program more in your sig ? I don't understand it, you only give your program one line of text but yet you sell the banner space and other text to other companies, and you promote them. If you believed in your program why wouldn't you make a small banner per GFY's rules and give more infomation about your program, maybe list the different niches you offer etc... It says a lot that you sell out your sig space to other companies and don't even promote your own program, tends to make one thing which makes you more money... sig whoring or "your" program.

It is hard to read at that, that red is hard on the eyes, it is small text, what does it say? LavenderCash ?

martinsc · 12-14-2006, 12:34 AM

damn, what a job...
http://images.ifriends.net/iFriends/vch-review.jpg

will76 · 12-14-2006, 02:32 AM

Jimmie, long movie ?

Martin · 12-14-2006, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by martinsc

damn, what a job...
http://images.ifriends.net/iFriends/vch-review.jpg

Yeah I thought that was crazy too.

will76 · 12-14-2006, 09:02 AM

Jimmie, still watching the movie ????

will76 · 12-14-2006, 10:25 AM

Jimmie you have been posting here all morning. Why don't you come back and comment more on what I do with clickcash hoes, you seem to know so much, please share more of your wisdom.

will76 · 12-14-2006, 11:26 AM

Jimme ? did I answer your questions to your satisfaction ?

Juilan · 12-14-2006, 11:34 AM

"The looks to young standard" WTF that would ruin the fashion industry if they self policed themselves or had to comply with something like that.

will76 · 12-14-2006, 02:56 PM

that must be one loooooooong ass movie, Jimmie where are you ?

After Shock Media · 12-14-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

WHY ? they are being cautious and proactive. Damn, you think someone would commend them for that and you say " I wish someone would sue their ass" ? wtf ?

I wish more companies acted this way. Instead people do the opposite they take girls who just made 18 and make them look 14.

and then wonder why they get complaints and heat from the govt.

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Originally Posted by will76

And this is different then all other webcam companies... how ?

I know they are cautious as hell when it comes to protecting their own ass.
Though I refuse to commend any company that feels it is being "proactive" by discrimination. The girls would be of legal age to work, yet are being prevented from working because their body does not look mature enough. This of course is in addition to their strong rules that prevent performers from acting young, using the word teen without 18 or 19 attached, and so forth. Punishment purely on the shape of a girls body. So yes they should be sued.

I do not care how ifriends is different that other webcam companies. For some time ifriends had some sort of electronic device that law enforcement officials was supposed to request from ifriends. This device would allow law enforcement to check each photo etc. This was to go into effect with the updated 2257 laws. No idea if they kept this.

Regardless they encourage the performers to make as much content as possible. Often their cameras took pictures automatically via grabs on ifriends end (this may have been disabled now). They also encourage them to make personal sites, fan clubs, promotional material, promotional sites, and of course they automatically become clickcash affiliates. Yet they keep most performers in the dark about 2257 laws and just saw "we take care of it". Despite the fact that the performers are primary producers as well as secondary producers (sometimes).

will76 · 12-14-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I know they are cautious as hell when it comes to protecting their own ass.
Though I refuse to commend any company that feels it is being "proactive" by discrimination. The girls would be of legal age to work, yet are being prevented from working because their body does not look mature enough. This of course is in addition to their strong rules that prevent performers from acting young, using the word teen without 18 or 19 attached, and so forth. Punishment purely on the shape of a girls body. So yes they should be sued.

they are not preventing the girl from working. She can go work for cams.com or any other cam site or she can go work at mcdonalds.

They also do not allow affiliates to use the word "teen" without 18 or 19 attached, all the same rules apply for us as well. I think this is great. Nice to see a company set a HIGH standard instead of trying to make an 18 year old girl look like a 12 year old like most companies do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I do not care how ifriends is different that other webcam companies. For some time ifriends had some sort of electronic device that law enforcement officials was supposed to request from ifriends. This device would allow law enforcement to check each photo etc. This was to go into effect with the updated 2257 laws. No idea if they kept this..

right you don't know. so what if they have this device or not. It is more then what other cam sites have regardless if it is the end all soultion or not. ALL CAM SITES have the same problems of 2257 that you mention. It's not just ifriends.

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Regardless they encourage the performers to make as much content as possible. Often their cameras took pictures automatically via grabs on ifriends end (this may have been disabled now). They also encourage them to make personal sites, fan clubs, promotional material, promotional sites, and of course they automatically become clickcash affiliates. Yet they keep most performers in the dark about 2257 laws and just saw "we take care of it". Despite the fact that the performers are primary producers as well as secondary producers (sometimes).

WOW they encourage their cam host to make webpages and to advertise themselves. I have never seen that before from another cam company. I know you don't like them but I don't understand why you are just pointing them out. Everything you mentioned (except for the too young rule) is something that applies to all cam companies.

12-13-2006, 06:32 PM	#1
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	So Will, do you have 2257 docs on hand for every ClickCash ho? Just wondering...

12-13-2006, 06:42 PM	#3
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	how does a webcam company comply with 2257 anyways. Arent these girls everywhere around the world? Also, whats to stop them from say sending in a copy of a ID for a girl that isnt them and then performing anyways? __________________

12-13-2006, 07:14 PM	#6
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Will may not, but all AFF affiliates do right? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

12-13-2006, 07:17 PM	#9
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	In regards to the clickcash performers (thoughts on will aside). They need to sign some paper work, provide Government issued ID's and a secondary ID. (faxed or mailed in). They then need to get on camera and validate themselves. This involves them taking a close up face picture with ID next to face. Full body shot. An identifying mark if they have them like tats, piercings etc. There is like six or so required pictures. Then the staff checks the mailed or faxed in documents, and also checks each and every webcam picture taken. They often reject many and you end up doing it a few times. Then you need to redo this process every year. That said, they also have some gizmo that they think makes them and all their performers compliant. It is an electronic gadget that can scan pictures etc and get info and crap. Reality is that they really mislead the performers into a false sense of security with compliance laws. Remember clickcash's sites are the secondary producers and the performers are the primaries. Now think about that for a moment, then remember they are encouraged to self promote, build mini sites, members sites, fan clubs etc. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

12-13-2006, 07:21 PM	#10
nastynun Mandy Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: in a house Posts: 424	Looks like their gizmo is pretty big. http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=PhotoTour http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=retrieve http://ifriends.18-2257.com/page.cgi?t=MyFileCabinet __________________ Just a 41 year old original cam model from way back, fetish princess, pantyhose and Gothic craft maker. Graphics designer when need be. Just an all around "Web Mistress".

12-13-2006, 06:39 PM	#2
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	Bump.

12-13-2006, 07:07 PM	#5
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	Bump. Time to go sit through World Trade Center. I'm told it sucks, but whatever.

12-13-2006, 07:14 PM	#7
greygoose Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancity All Stars Posts: 367	you guys beef a lot.

12-13-2006, 08:33 PM	#12
llporter Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 3,221	owned../

12-14-2006, 12:31 AM	#16
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Yo Jimmie, movie has to be over by now. Please come back and post. BTW, why don't you explain to us why you don't promote your own program more in your sig ? I don't understand it, you only give your program one line of text but yet you sell the banner space and other text to other companies, and you promote them. If you believed in your program why wouldn't you make a small banner per GFY's rules and give more infomation about your program, maybe list the different niches you offer etc... It says a lot that you sell out your sig space to other companies and don't even promote your own program, tends to make one thing which makes you more money... sig whoring or "your" program. It is hard to read at that, that red is hard on the eyes, it is small text, what does it say? LavenderCash ? __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue Last edited by will76; 12-14-2006 at 12:32 AM..

12-14-2006, 12:34 AM	#17
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12-14-2006, 02:32 AM	#18
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Jimmie, long movie ? __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-14-2006, 09:02 AM	#20
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Jimmie, still watching the movie ???? __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-14-2006, 10:25 AM	#21
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Jimmie you have been posting here all morning. Why don't you come back and comment more on what I do with clickcash hoes, you seem to know so much, please share more of your wisdom. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-14-2006, 11:26 AM	#22
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12-14-2006, 11:34 AM	#23
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	"The looks to young standard" WTF that would ruin the fashion industry if they self policed themselves or had to comply with something like that. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

12-14-2006, 02:56 PM	#24
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	that must be one loooooooong ass movie, Jimmie where are you ? __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue