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Linkster · 03-15-2007, 04:15 AM

The easiest way is to go to the companies, which I will try today as I still have some old friends there from the old days, and see what it would take

gimilin · 03-15-2007, 04:19 AM

what????????//

DamageX · 03-15-2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by gimilin

what????????//

Try reading.

smutx · 03-15-2007, 05:56 AM

back to the top

Taass · 03-15-2007, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Cool, let's go back to the McD/BK analogy I used earlier. You're hungry and on your way to enter BK, when someone from McD stands in front of you as you're about to walk through the door, with a huge sign advertising McD. Think that would fly?

Actualy, with overwriting of affiliate cookies, it would be more like.. You'd get your burger from BK, but when you where about to pay for it a guy from McD jumps in front of the BK guy to collect the payment

Ben_MN · 03-15-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sosa

porno jew is pry someone doing this fucking codec installing...

sperm I totaly agree with you. It is going to take us standing up as an industry to get some of this shit stopped.

I dont fancy our chances of educating the dusty fuddy duddies in congress about zango - "tinternet what?". It took months of threads on here before the majority of webmaster world got it so what are your chances with those cronies?

There are other options.

Sponsors

Implement tools in their back ends to alert to CPV marketing/zango in their own back yards - freeze everyone one they find and don't pay them out.

If a sponsor uses external processing/tracking then sponsors should push for them to implement a solution. Is NATS, for example "zango aware"? Any programmer worth their salt can set up an alert easily.

Sponsors can also set up an off network zango machine and monitor their sites for zango pops from competitors

Or use a service like AffiliateFairPlay to keep an eye on the situation.

Then politely ask the competitor to remove offending webmaster - with a video capture if necessary. Worked well for me. If that doesn't work then call them the fuck out.

Webmasters

Don't promote zango accepting/using programs

They'll soon find their lifeblood is drained away. Zango is parasitic in nature, eventually it will bleed the program dry as it depends on genuine traffic to survive.

DamageX · 03-15-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben_MN

I dont fancy our chances of educating the dusty fuddy duddies in congress about zango - "tinternet what?". It took months of threads on here before the majority of webmaster world got it so what are your chances with those cronies?

There are other options.

Sponsors

Implement tools in their back ends to alert to CPV marketing/zango in their own back yards - freeze everyone one they find and don't pay them out.

If a sponsor uses external processing/tracking then sponsors should push for them to implement a solution. Is NATS, for example "zango aware"? Any programmer worth their salt can set up an alert easily.

Sponsors can also set up an off network zango machine and monitor their sites for zango pops from competitors

Or use a service like AffiliateFairPlay to keep an eye on the situation.

Then politely ask the competitor to remove offending webmaster - with a video capture if necessary. Worked well for me. If that doesn't work then call them the fuck out.

Webmasters

Don't promote zango accepting/using programs

They'll soon find their lifeblood is drained away. Zango is parasitic in nature, eventually it will bleed the program dry as it depends on genuine traffic to survive.

Without lawsuits, I don't see any of the above happening soon.

Ben_MN · 03-15-2007, 07:58 AM

It already is...

We are doing all the sponsor side of things i mentioned, and it works for us

And peeps in this thread are doing the webmaster side.....

But one doesnt work without the other..

DamageX · 03-15-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben_MN

It already is...

We are doing all the sponsor side of things i mentioned, and it works for us

And peeps in this thread are doing the webmaster side.....

But one doesnt work without the other..

Exactly and with the track record of this industry you can rest assured that there will always be a crooked sponsor ready for blood money, or a crooked affiliate ready to make that sponsor money. It will take forever before any major changes occur.

RawAlex · 03-15-2007, 08:28 AM

I will say this, the people of GFY are voting with their posts. The AFF contest thread keep dropping off of page 1 like a rock. What would have been a suckup festival has turned very quiet indeed.

Ben, without someone coming down the pipeline and putting money behind lawyers and auditors to go through and do a form of forensic accounting to see where all the clicks, all the sales, and all the payouts go, you won't see any programs take action.

Remember the most important part: This isn't costing the programs anything, because they still get the sales. In reality, if they are paying Zango low enough amounts, it is actually saving them money (for now) on every sale.

In the long run, as people pull their traffic, the costs of getting traffic will go up and then using Zango will be a total waste.

MrPinks · 03-15-2007, 09:04 AM

My sales dropped signifcantly with one sponosr, NSCash, which has me worried. The whole situation is really pissing me off.

DamageX · 03-15-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Remember the most important part: This isn't costing the programs anything, because they still get the sales.

Actually, if the visitor gets pops for other sites upon entry to their sites, it might end up costing them. Also, if the visitor doesn't come in via an affiliate link and Zango inserts a refcode, they'll end up paying a commission for traffic that should've been pure profit.

Linkster · 03-15-2007, 10:41 AM

Well - checked with my contacts and both Norton and Mcaffee do detect both zango and funwebproducts(worm) and do have removal tools

germ · 03-15-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Well - checked with my contacts and both Norton and Mcaffee do detect both zango and funwebproducts(worm) and do have removal tools

wow...then why is zango still such a big problem? i would think that would take care of a lot of the people that would be prone to installing something like that.

Lanceman · 03-15-2007, 06:22 PM

Bump for Russian Redirects.............

themonk · 03-15-2007, 06:42 PM

good subject to talk about ..

Lanceman · 03-15-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by themonk

good subject to talk about ..

Bump for rip off artists!

JD · 03-15-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanceman

Bump for rip off artists!

that's just bumptastic!

Lanceman · 03-16-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

that's just bumptastic!

Bump for this thread and all like it!

Axzar · 03-16-2007, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben_MN

"tinternet what?"

It's Tubes!

Wilbo · 03-16-2007, 05:00 AM

Is there a list of sponsors who use Zango?

Lanceman · 03-16-2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilbo

Is there a list of sponsors who use Zango?

Unfortunatley no......

No sponsor out there will admit to anything like this!

I am working on a new E-book that will explain the whole thing.

scottybuzz · 03-16-2007, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanceman

Unfortunatley no......

No sponsor out there will admit to anything like this!

I am working on a new E-book that will explain the whole thing.

well yes thre is a partial list of major comapnies., but i have forgotten the website name.

DamageX · 03-16-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

well yes thre is a partial list of major comapnies., but i have forgotten the website name.

http://www.zangoblacklist.com/

Lanceman · 03-16-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

http://www.zangoblacklist.com/

Thanks man for that.........

Im sure it will be of use to me in this report!

jayeff · 03-16-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanceman

Im sure it will be of use to me in this report!

Be a little careful with it. I might be wrong, but I think it was put up around last November in a rush of enthusiasm and I get the impression it hasn't been upated since.

Lanceman · 03-16-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Be a little careful with it. I might be wrong, but I think it was put up around last November in a rush of enthusiasm and I get the impression it hasn't been upated since.

Dont worry I base alot of what is going on from the boards!

Many people are involved with this whole BIG PICTURE!

DamageX · 03-16-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanceman

Dont worry I base alot of what is going on from the boards!

OK, then be VERY careful.

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