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woj · 05-27-2007, 10:39 AM

50 best presidents

stickyfingerz · 05-27-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Not even referring to this thread. Anyway, I won't argue with you. Do your porn, smoke your pot and feel free to think that makes you tolerant.

Good deal. lol

vvq · 05-27-2007, 10:59 AM

clinton was the best no doubt

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

JFK- his dealing with the cuban missile crisis puts him very near the top

Ronald Reagan- cold war, the berlin wall comming down and when he did have a scandal he stood up and took his lumps like a man and didn't lie his way out of like slick willy.

Remember that when reagan took office we had high unemployement and high inflaction and he brought the country out of that mess.

ummmmm where do you get your stats. Reagan did a lot, but unemployment wasn't one of his strong suits. He also killed the traffic controllers union, and he took away railroad employees retirement that they had taken a paycut so they could get more retirement. This i know for a fact, as my father would have an extra $1000 a month now that he's retired. So thanks Mr. Reagan

theking · 05-27-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

ummmmm where do you get your stats. Reagan did a lot, but unemployment wasn't one of his strong suits. He also killed the traffic controllers union, and he took away railroad employees retirement that they had taken a paycut so they could get more retirement. This i know for a fact, as my father would have an extra $1000 a month now that he's retired. So thanks Mr. Reagan

President Reagan also left office with the national debt four times the amount as when he entered office.

LadyMischief · 05-27-2007, 12:49 PM

Clinton was a grass-roots kinda guy

JP513 · 05-27-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps

his poor choice in mistresses, leaves a sour taste in my mouth

LOL. Yeah man I wish he picked a hotter girl.

EBORG9 · 05-27-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JP513

LOL. Yeah man I wish he picked a hotter girl.

Paula Jones came out OK, after a few upgrades.

juz · 05-27-2007, 02:03 PM

Good lord the Clinton humpers on this board are as bad the Bush lovers, say something negative about bubba and the only reply is better then the current administration.... Well that really doesn't say a lot for Bill does it.

Bill wasn't all that bad but history wont put him anywhere near the the best, he was fortunate enough to get elected right as the tech boom was starting but the good times were not a result of anything he did. He boasted of a balanced budget, but if you go back and like through the GOA you'll see it was all smoke and mirrors.

And yes his foreign policy did help the rise to the current problem with Al Qaeda, bitch and moan all you want about Iraq/Bush and I'll agree with you but it is fact Clinton and his administration could have captured bin Laden on several occasions and passed because they didn't view him as a threat even though he was tied to the first World Trade Center bombing, Kenya and Nairobi embassy bombings and the USS Cole.

In his defense though, his administration did screw the pooch in 93 with the Mogadishu/Blackhawk down incident, which took all the wind out of any military sails of his presidency.

So in conclusion Bush sucks and Clinton was over rated and I pray to god Hilary is not elected, she is not what this country needs after the Bush fiasco, she will divide us even more.

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Good lord the Clinton humpers on this board are as bad the Bush lovers, say something negative about bubba and the only reply is better then the current administration.... Well that really doesn't say a lot for Bill does it.

Bill wasn't all that bad but history wont put him anywhere near the the best, he was fortunate enough to get elected right as the tech boom was starting but the good times were not a result of anything he did. He boasted of a balanced budget, but if you go back and like through the GOA you'll see it was all smoke and mirrors.

And yes his foreign policy did help the rise to the current problem with Al Qaeda, bitch and moan all you want about Iraq/Bush and I'll agree with you but it is fact Clinton and his administration could have captured bin Laden on several occasions and passed because they didn't view him as a threat even though he was tied to the first World Trade Center bombing, Kenya and Nairobi embassy bombings and the USS Cole.

In his defense though, his administration did screw the pooch in 93 with the Mogadishu/Blackhawk down incident, which took all the wind out of any military sails of his presidency.

So in conclusion Bush sucks and Clinton was over rated and I pray to god Hilary is not elected, she is not what this country needs after the Bush fiasco, she will divide us even more.

Truth be told it was Reagan and the first Bush who were giving money and training the taliban to fight the russians. So I think they should take the blame for the current world issues. Well them and big oil who has been fucking the middle east for centuries now.

Fap · 05-27-2007, 03:34 PM

He's got nothing on Nixon

hypnotizes · 05-27-2007, 03:46 PM

Clinton was the best PREZ.

The facts are there. The economy was booming, jobs were abundant, we were @ peace aside from a few military scraps, and the most anyone has to complain about is that he lied about getting his dick sucked.

On the other hand, you got Dubya who got us in a vietnam type war which is futile. The economy is down, he's an idiot (just look his greatest hits on you tube) and his administration is hit with scandal after scandal every week. He should be impeached but those wealthy powers that be would rather have a conservative in office to make the rich richer.

And for all you conservative fucks that wanna bring up "the war on terrorism", you can suck a fat one. I actually fought in OIF, two years a piece, torn away from my family and friends. Even though I didnt agree with the war, i did my duty and fought it in cuz i owed it to my friends next to me and its what i promised God I would do for my country when I rose my right hand.

Ive seen what goes on over there. For those of you that say the war is the right thing, how come 90% of you arent serving or have an excuse. Send your kids to fight and die and lets see if you support the war then.

teenmodelcumshots · 05-27-2007, 04:49 PM

Stephen Colbert would ask "Bill Clinton: One of the best presidents or the best president?"

He was certainly a friend to the adult industry. While he was in office, things were great. Porn and free speech laws were relaxed.

Then George Dumbass Bush got in and Seymour Butts and Rob Black were hit with lawsuits. Suddenly Bukkake and Double Fisting became illegal. And there was an attempt to kill off part of the industry with 2257 laws.

We need another Porn-Friendly President.

How can you possibly be an Adult Webmaster and a Conservative? How could the two possibly go together???

seven · 05-27-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by teenmodelcumshots

We need another Porn-Friendly President.

Not sure Hilary will like to be friends with porn-peddlers.. Rudy Giuliani could be a better choice.. he's pro many things so better chances..

tranza · 05-27-2007, 07:32 PM

He was better than GWB for sure...

juz · 05-27-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Truth be told it was Reagan and the first Bush who were giving money and training the taliban to fight the russians. So I think they should take the blame for the current world issues. Well them and big oil who has been fucking the middle east for centuries now.

Typical, cant accept blame for your poster boy, instead shift blame to the other party... YOU are whats wrong with American politics.

Oh by the way there was no Taliban fighting the Russians and big oil hasn't been in the middle east for centuries, please do some research before you post bullshit.

CDSmith · 05-27-2007, 07:52 PM

Every opinion on this is going to be too simplistic in some aspect. From the perspective of an outsider (non-US resident) looking in one could say Clinton removed the deficit that Bush Sr ran up and even created a bit of a surplus during his tenure. The US dollar's value certainly rose on the world market during his watch, and by his momentum continued to climb for a year or two after he was finished. Then Bush Jr did the war thing and a few other bold moves and poof, your dollar is in the crapper.

Simplistic, surface-view only though.

Others will argue the moral issue, him being a bad role model, philandering, cheating on his wife, etc. Still others will pull out the 25 year economics charts and graphs and attempt to illustrate why he was a bad president or a good one.

Personally I like Bill. I think that if Hillary is elected (and she could very well be) his influence as "first lady" would definitely be a factor. He's one of the best public speakers in the world, the leaders of many other nations all liked him and respected him greatly, that's a fact. Under his watch you didn't hear nearly as much negativity about the USA as you do today under the Bush regime.

And really, any president who plays the saxaphone is going to be well-liked, period. The man get's BJ's, cranks out good tunage, and is a consumate diplomate on the world's political stage, even those who hate him gotta love him a LITTLE. :D

Julianni may have to wait 4 to 8 more years before it's his time.

mikeyddddd · 05-27-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Typical, cant accept blame for your poster boy, instead shift blame to the other party...

An overused tactic of Dubya.

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Originally Posted by juz

YOU are whats wrong with American politics.

The correct pronoun would be "HE", as in "Dubya shifts blame to the other party all the time. HE is what's wrong with American politics".

Pleasurepays · 05-27-2007, 08:06 PM

the .com explosion happens and Clinton gets credit for a robust economy. there is a budget surplus as a result and clinton gets credit for being fiscally responsible... yet neither issues have anything at all to do with who is or isn't president.

Clinton was a good president by virtue of the fact that he fucked shit up less than some others.

Peace? Somalia? Kosovo? weighing plans to Bomb N Korea etc etc etc.

CDSmith · 05-27-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Peace? Somalia? Kosovo?

What was the problem with Kosovo? He had to go in there and kick some Serb ass and protect 300,000 refugees from being raped and fucking slaughtered.

I have no problem with how Kosovo was handled. In fact I applaud the guy.

DaddyHalbucks · 05-27-2007, 08:12 PM

Hillary is far more liberal than Bill. Hopefully the red states will block that nightmare.

CDSmith · 05-27-2007, 08:14 PM

I wonder what gee dubya would have done different during the Kosovo crisis.

:D

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Typical, cant accept blame for your poster boy, instead shift blame to the other party... YOU are whats wrong with American politics.

Oh by the way there was no Taliban fighting the Russians and big oil hasn't been in the middle east for centuries, please do some research before you post bullshit.

You would have been great in Nazi germany. The whole I didn't realize what was going on thing worked real well back then too. If it wasn't for liberals like me, you wouldn't have access to the internet without logging into some government oversight department, you would have big brother listening into your phone calls, and you wouldn't be posting on GFY cuz it would be banned.

As for the oil companies, if you didn't realise there was a typo and I meant to say decades, well then I apologise for that. As for the Taliban, if I remember the term that you republicans used back then, they were called "freedom fighters". Kinda like how we helped put Saddam in power, or should I say you republicans did.

You want to go back even further on how bad the republicans have fucked this counry. Look up Shah of Iran, and see where the Iran problems started.

The CIA calls it blowback, and you conservatives sure cause a lot of it.

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Hillary is far more liberal than Bill. Hopefully the red states will block that nightmare.

Yep cuz those red states gave us a real winner these last 7 plus years.

Pleasurepays · 05-27-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

What was the problem with Kosovo? He had to go in there and kick some Serb ass and protect 300,000 refugees from being raped and fucking slaughtered.

I have no problem with how Kosovo was handled. In fact I applaud the guy.

i wasn't attacking or defending anything. i was commenting on others general stance about his presidency and "peace" as if all problems can be solved with a hug and gift basket... and he was the man to do it. i dont think he was a bad president at all... then again, i've had 7 years of watching a bumbling baboon tell me how the world should be run, so its probably not a fair comparison.

CDSmith · 05-27-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i wasn't attacking or defending anything. i was commenting on others general stance about his presidency and "peace" as if all problems can be solved with a hug and gift basket... and he was the man to do it. i dont think he was a bad president at all... then again, i've had 7 years of watching a bumbling baboon tell me how the world should be run, so its probably not a fair comparison.

Ah, okay, I see where you were going with that thought now.

Yeah, I'm a little sensitive to critics of the Kosovo thing. Milosevic and his followers needed a good shit-kicking, and the coalition gave it to them in spades.

Ol Bill had teeth when he needed to have teeth, but I always saw him a as a damn fine diplomat too.

directfiesta · 05-27-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by seven

Rudy Giuliani could be a better choice..

How exterminated the porn shops of New York ( 38th ) and got Disney to take over ... ????

directfiesta · 05-27-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I wonder what gee dubya would have done different during the Kosovo crisis.

:D

Simple : he would have bombed ........... IRAQ !!!!!

juz · 05-27-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You would have been great in Nazi germany. The whole I didn't realize what was going on thing worked real well back then too. If it wasn't for liberals like me, you wouldn't have access to the internet without logging into some government oversight department, you would have big brother listening into your phone calls, and you wouldn't be posting on GFY cuz it would be banned.

As for the oil companies, if you didn't realise there was a typo and I meant to say decades, well then I apologise for that. As for the Taliban, if I remember the term that you republicans used back then, they were called "freedom fighters". Kinda like how we helped put Saddam in power, or should I say you republicans did.

You want to go back even further on how bad the republicans have fucked this counry. Look up Shah of Iran, and see where the Iran problems started.

The CIA calls it blowback, and you conservatives sure cause a lot of it.

You need to remove your tinfoil hat son, funny how if someone disagrees with you, they are a conservative. You couldn't be more WRONG AGAIN, how does it feel?
Yes typo from century and decade I can see how easily that happens..
What does internet access and GFY have to do with any of this? Oh NOTHING!

You keep calling me a republican .. WRONG AGAIN, I take it that is your debate style, no substance, no facts only talking points so you resort to calling names, grow up, do some research and come back after you know what you are talking about because right now all you are doing is making assumptions and we all know what that means.

CDSmith · 05-27-2007, 09:33 PM

I'm essentially conservative..... and I like Bill.

:D

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

You need to remove your tinfoil hat son, funny how if someone disagrees with you, they are a conservative. You couldn't be more WRONG AGAIN, how does it feel?
Yes typo from century and decade I can see how easily that happens..
What does internet access and GFY have to do with any of this? Oh NOTHING!

You keep calling me a republican .. WRONG AGAIN, I take it that is your debate style, no substance, no facts only talking points so you resort to calling names, grow up, do some research and come back after you know what you are talking about because right now all you are doing is making assumptions and we all know what that means.

Lets here some "facts" that aren't your opinion. Haven't seen any yet, just your drivel.

Mr. Blue · 05-27-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by seven

Not sure Hilary will like to be friends with porn-peddlers..

Considering she bitched, moaned, and had a fit over Grand Theft Auto and the locked porn scene in a MA rated game...yikes, anyone that thinks she'll be porn friendly is nuts. She's just another Tipper Gore waiting to happen (remember Tipper and her crusade against music).

Porn friendly candidate, I'd have to do a little more research, taking a guess I'd say Richardson or Edwards might be.

juz · 05-27-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Lets here some "facts" that aren't your opinion. Haven't seen any yet, just your drivel.

Ummm I'm not the one here making claims, that is you. Re read my post you know the one YOU quoted and replied with lies oops I mean typos.

You said

Reagan funded the Taliban wrong
Big oil has been in the ME for centuries wrong
Called me a Republican wrong

3 strikes??

You rambled something about internet, gfy, nazis and oversight which to be honest has no correlation to this conversation so I still have no idea the point you failed to make. Now why is it that when I state a fact that Clinton could have nabbed Bin Laden, your immediate reply was to bash Bush/Reagan/Republican?? The correct reply by someone who isn't blinded by partisan politics would have been "Yes he screwed that one up".

Find the book Jawbreaker by Gary Berntsen, read it

Matt 26z · 05-27-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

it is fact Clinton and his administration could have captured bin Laden on several occasions and passed because they didn't view him as a threat

They had ONE chance and took their best shot, but he was gone by the time they got the missiles launched. Every Republican in the US screamed WAG THE DOG when he tried to kill Bin-Laden.

The big conservative Republican website has since removed these messages out of disgrace, but here is what they were saying when it happened...

http://web.archive.org/web/200410111...um/a530320.htm

I think this Republican supporter's statement on that page sums it all up...

"The General just said that it should NOT be viewed simply as retaliation for recent events. It is an act of self defense. Yeah, the Clinton self defense...."

Republicans didn't support anti-terror efforts under Clinton, and they didn't support them under Bush until 9/11 actually happened.

juz · 05-27-2007, 10:44 PM

Actually there was more then one chance, read Jawbreaker by Gary Berntsen, after the embassy bombings in Africa he was made head of the CIA Bin laden team. He also lead the first CIA teams into Afghanistan in 2001 code named Jawbreaker.
And for you partisan homos out there he blast the hell out of the Bush admin for letting Bin Laden go at Tora Bora

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Actually there was more then one chance, read Jawbreaker by Gary Berntsen, after the embassy bombings in Africa he was made head of the CIA Bin laden team. He also lead the first CIA teams into Afghanistan in 2001 code named Jawbreaker.
And for you partisan homos out there he blast the hell out of the Bush admin for letting Bin Laden go at Tora Bora

Read Richard Clarks book, it's a much better read, and much more informative. He worked under the first Bush, Clinton, and the current dolt, plus Reagan. You also fail to understand that they didn't have armed drones during the Clinton admin.

Clinton gets blamed for 9-11 all the time, when Bush and co. had over 9 months before 9-11 and 5 years since. Maybe if they wouldn't have had their panties in a bunch over Iraq, he might just be dead by now.

CDSmith · 05-27-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

http://web.archive.org/web/200410111...um/a530320.htm

One has to wonder how many of those who posted on that page back then have since killed themselves over their utter stupidity.

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

One has to wonder how many of those who posted on that page back then have since killed themselves over their utter stupidity.

Or maybe just died because they forgot how to breath. That takes alot fo brain power and none of them had much to spare.

juz · 05-27-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Read Richard Clarks book, it's a much better read, and much more informative. He worked under the first Bush, Clinton, and the current dolt, plus Reagan. You also fail to understand that they didn't have armed drones during the Clinton admin.

Clinton gets blamed for 9-11 all the time, when Bush and co. had over 9 months before 9-11 and 5 years since. Maybe if they wouldn't have had their panties in a bunch over Iraq, he might just be dead by now.

I have read it and actually I've meet Richard Clark on several occasions.
Funny how you quip that his book is much better and informative inferring you've read both of them then you make the odd statement about drones. which tells me you didn't read Jawbreaker or you would have known we had people on the ground near Bin Laden. Do yourself a favor and stop with the lies, it only makes you look pathetic.

Now for the second time, why is it so hard for you to admit Clinton dropped the ball?

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

I have read it and actually I've meet Richard Clark on several occasions.
Funny how you quip that his book is much better and informative inferring you've read both of them then you make the odd statement about drones. which tells me you didn't read Jawbreaker or you would have known we had people on the ground near Bin Laden. Do yourself a favor and stop with the lies, it only makes you look pathetic.

Now for the second time, why is it so hard for you to admit Clinton dropped the ball?

You met Richard Clark not once but on several occasions, and I am dating the Bush twins. You are the one who is pathetic. You obviously subscribe to the adage that you can be anyone you want on the "internets".

spanky part 2 · 05-27-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Now for the second time, why is it so hard for you to admit Clinton dropped the ball?

Why is it so hard for you to admit that 9-11 was Bushy boys fault. If memory serves he was the president at the time, and was warned 9 months earlier but refused to listen to anyone. Just like Iraq now. Everyone on the planet knows it's a lost cause, except him and his yes men. That includes the shemale Condi too.

DaddyHalbucks · 05-28-2007, 12:00 AM

CLINTON
SCANDAL STATS
COMPILED BY THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW

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Originally published October 1998. Partially updated 9/21/00
Please send corrections and additions to THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW

THE REVIEW HOME PAGE

NOTES

Some of the data has not been updated recently and thus understates conditions. In certain areas, such as anomalous deaths, we have used an extremely conservative count. It is important in considering these fatal incidents to bear in mind the following:

(1) The fact that anomalies need to be investigated further carries no presumption of how a death actually occurred, only that there remain serious questions that require answers.

(2) The possibility of foul play must be taken seriously in a major criminal conspiracy in which over two score individuals and firms have been convicted and over 100 witnesses have pled the Fifth Amendment or fled the country.

(3) If foul play did occur in any of these cases, that fact by itself does not carry the presumption that the White House was involved. Given the footprints of organized crime, drug trade, foreign espionage, and intelligence agencies on the trail of the Clinton story, such a assumption would not be warranted.

ADMINISTRATION RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates **
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

** According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House. Using a far looser standard that included resignations, David R. Simon and D. Stanley Eitzen in Elite Deviance, say that 138 appointees of the Reagan administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or were criminally indicted. Curiously Haynes Johnson uses the same figure but with a different standard in "Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years: "By the end of his term, 138 administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

HISTORICAL CONTEXT
- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months.
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million
- Number of Clinton cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of imprisonments: 14
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 124

CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION
- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. [These figures are included in the larger figures elsewhere].
-James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

STARR INVESTIGATION

- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
- Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million
- Reasons individuals other than Espy were convicted or pled guilty: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff sentenced to prison in this case)

CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery(4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts(1), illegal campaign contributions(5), money laundering (6)

POSSIBLE CRIMES AND SUSPICIOUS MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS, CONGRESS,
AND/OR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, illegal acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, illegal futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, as well as providing access to the White House to drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime.
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DaddyHalbucks · 05-28-2007, 12:01 AM

Continued....

UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA
- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of persons involved with Clinton who have been beaten up: 2
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen): 5
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10

ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME
- Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9
- Number known to have been murdered: 12
- Number who died in plane crashes: 6
- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3
- Number killed during Waco massacre: 4
- Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of medications being taken by Jim McDougal at the time he was placed in solitary confinement shortly before his death: 12
- Number of unexplained deaths: 4
- Total suspicious deaths: 46
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156

ARKANSAS ALZHEIMER'S
- Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50
- Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42
- Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271
- Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125
- Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235

ARKANSAS MONEY MANAGEMENT
- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million
- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000
- Number of commercial banks: 570
- Number of bank regulators: 1
- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-80s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.
- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3
- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15%
- Percent of Worthen bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then governor, Bill Clinton: 40%.
- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: over 50%

THE MEDIA
- Number of journalists covering Whitewater who have been fired, transferred off the beat, resigned or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals (Doug Frantz, Jim Wooten, Richard Behar, Christopher Ruddy, Michael Isikoff, David Eisenstadt, Yinh Chan, Jonathan Broder, James R. Norman, Zoh Hieronimus): 10

FRIENDS OF BILL
- Number of times John Huang took the 5th Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000
- Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie. 160
- Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577
- Number of members of Thomas Boggs's law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration. 18
- Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37
- Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261
- Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500

POLITICAL FALL-OUT
- According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of November 2000 that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats controlled only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans.

Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the Democrats. Not only was this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).

Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton:

- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/wwstats.htm

spanky part 2 · 05-28-2007, 12:08 AM

Bush record.
Hanging chads to get into office
Can't speaka the engrish
9-11
Katrina
Warrantless wiretaps
2 attorney general scandals
closed door energy policy taken to supreme court to keep it secret
record gasoline prices
runaway deficit
Iraq

Talk about a real winner there.

CWeb · 05-28-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

CLINTON
SCANDAL STATS
COMPILED BY THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW

Jeez.. ever heard of a link??? But if you insist in plastering the content of other websites which may or may not be accurate ...

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This list is from 2005 - needs updating.

Congress:

Former Congressman Bill Janklow(R-SD) Convicted and jailed for killing a man with his car after blowing through a stopsign at a high rate of speed.

Governors:

John Rowland(R-CT)Convicted and jailed for graft, had work done on his house and some other bribe related charges.

George Ryan(R-IL) Under indictment for hiring practices.(I notice you had Blagojevich--this one must have slipped your mind)

Jim McGreevy(D-NJ) Resigned under fire sexual relationship with a male staffmember.

Executive:

Lewis Libby(R)-Assistant to the Vice President, 5 count indictment, perjury, false statements.

Karl Rove(R)-Assistant to the President, currently under investigation.

Larry Franklin(R)-DOD employee, pleaded guilty in espionage case.

Leandro Aragoncillo-46, was a U.S. Marine most recently assigned to the staff of Vice President Dick Cheney, arrested for spying in the Whitehouse.

Kenneth Tomlinson(R)-Former Head of CPB, under investigation.

Armstrong Williams(R)-Investigation revealed that payments to him for propaganda efforts were illegal.

Etcetera:

New Hampshire-4 Republican operatives arrested for election 2002 phone jamming scandal. # have pleaded guilty, one is due for trial soon.

and

Pennsylvania Republican Congressman Don Sherwood had a visit from the Washington police after a 29-year old woman who was not the 64-year old congressman's wife called 911 and complained that Sherwood had choked her. Sherwood said he had merely been giving the woman a back rub. He is one of those holier-than-thou family values conservatives.

and

Senate President Ben Stevens (R-AK)
Probed for accepting consulting fees from oil services firm Veco. Subject to a recall petition. Son of US Senate Pro Tem President Ted Stevens.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA)
Ethics probe for accepting salary from two men?s fitness magazines while governor, possible kickback from American Media publisher to Schwarzenegger charity and silence money to a woman who had an extramarital affair with Schwarzenegger. This probe may go criminal.

Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA)
Probed for bribery regarding financial ties with and favors for defense firm MZM. Pleaded guilty to tax evasion, conspiracy, Nov. 28, 2005.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)
Tied to Abramoff scandal on loan papers. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff.

Gov. John Rowland (R-CT)
Convicted, imprisoned 2004 for accepting free renovations to his vacation cottage as well as charter flights and vacations from a state contractor, and defrauding the Internal Revenue Service by not paying taxes on the free services.

Attorney General Jane Brady (R-DE)
Accused of helping MBNA Bank of Wilmington skirt campaign finance laws.

Rep. Katherine Harris (R-FL)
Probed for campaign donations from MZM, Inc. in relation to Duke Cunningham probe. Currently a US Senate candidate.

Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)
Recipient of contributions from Abramoff. Probed for corporate ties to Yang Enterprises, involved in over billing state of Florida. Feeney was Jeb Bush?s 1994 running mate for Lt. Gov.

Ralph Reed, candidate for Lt. Gov. (R-GA)
Probed for involvement in Abramoff, Kidan, DeLay Indian casino money laundering.

Gov. Felix Camacho (R-Guam)
Probed for ties to Abramoff and demoting Acting US Attorney for Guam Frederick Black.

New Hawaii PAC and House GOP PAC (R-HI)
Campaign violations filed against a number of GOP candidates for the state legislature and US House for skirting spending limits.

Dalton Tanonaka, former Lt. gubernatorial and congressional candidate (R-HI)
Under FEC investigation for disguising and failing to report campaign loans. Also investigated for possible illegal foreign funding from Hong Kong and Japan.

State Rep. and House Minority Leader Galen Fox (R-HI)
Convicted on federal charges of fondling a woman on a Honolulu to Los Angeles commercial flight.

Rep. Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House (R-IL)
Probed for accepting money from Turkey.

Rep. Jerry Weller (R-IL)
Recipient of contributions from Abramoff. (Weller is also married to the daughter of Guatemalan dictator and mass murderer [300,0000 Guatemalans] Efrain Rios Montt.)

Bob Kjellander, Republican National Treasurer (R-IL)
Under Federal probe for steering investment contracts to Illinois Teachers Retirement Fund.

State Rep. Lee Daniels (Elmhurst), Former House Leader (R-IL)
Under Federal investigation for misuse of state employees for political activity and state contract kickbacks.

Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-IN)
Under investigation for soliciting campaign donations in return for INDOT (Indiana Dept. of Transportation) contracts.

Thomas Sharp, INDOT Commissioner (R-IN)
Under investigation for soliciting campaign donations in return for INDOT (Indiana Dept. of Transportation) contracts.

Jim Kittle, GOP state chairman (R-IN)
Under investigation for soliciting campaign donations in return for INDOT (Indiana Dept. of Transportation) contracts.

Rep. Chris Chocola (R-IN)
Received DeLay ARMPAC money. FEC investigating.

Adam Taff, 2004 congressional candidate, KS-3 (R-KS)
Indicted for campaign violations and wire fraud.

Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R-KY)
Criminal probe in a state employees? merit system scandal. Received contributions from DeLay?s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff.

Dan Druen, Transportation Commissioner (R-KY)
Merit system scandal, witness tampering. Indicted.

Bob Wilson, Deputy Personnel Secretary (R-KY)
Merit system scandal. Indicted

Darrell Brock, Chairman of Kentucky GOP (R-KY)
Merit system scandal. Indicted.

Basil Turbyfill, Personnel Adviser to KY Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R-KY)
Merit system scandal. Indicted.

Bill Nighbert, Transportation Secretary (R-KY)
Merit system scandal. Indicted.

Dick Murgatroyd, Deputy Chief of Staff to KY Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R-KY)
Merit system scandal. Indicted.

Jim Adams, Deputy Transportation Secretary (R-KY)
Merit system scandal. Indicted.

Cory Meadows, Executive Director, Transportation Dept. (R-KY)
Merit system scandal. Indicted.

Lloyd Cress, Environmental Protection Commissioner (R-KY)
Probed in merit system scandal.

Dave Disponett (R-KY)
Indicted for violation of Kentucky civil service law.

Sen. David Vitter (R-LA)
Linked to Abramoff in a case involving a Louisiana Indian tribe.

Joseph Steffen, aide to Gov. Bob Ehrlich (R-MD)

Resigned for starting a rumor campaign against Baltimore Mayor Martin O?Malley.

Massachusetts Executive Office of Environmental Affairs - controlled by Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA)
Under ethics cloud for awarding a $10,000 contract to conservative Boston Herald columnist to write columns supportive of Romney?s policies.

Lawrence Novak, Vice Chair, state GOP (R-MA)
Arrested by FBI for drug money laundering.

Mike Cox, Attorney General (R-MI)
Failed to pursue felony pollution charges against Graceland Fruit after a major Department of Environmental Quality investigation.

Rep. Candice Miller (R-MI)
Investigated by House Erthics Committee for accepting campaign contributions in return for her yes vote on the 2004 Medicare bill.

Rep. Roy Blunt, House Majority Leader (R-MO)
Investigated for trading illegal PAC money with DeLay through Blunt's Rely on Your Beliefs Fund. Received Indian casino money from tribes represented by Abramoff.

Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Probed for links to Abramoff.

Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-NE)
Received tainted money from DeLay. Refused to return it.

Rep. Jon Porter (R-NV)
Received $25,000 from DeLay's ARMPAC.

Sen. John Sununu (R-NH)
Probed for receipt of money from DeLay tainted PAC.

Rep. Jeb Bradley (R-NH)
Probed for receipt of money from DeLay tainted PAC.

Gene Chandler, State House Speaker (R-NH)
Campaign contributions violations.

James Tobin, Northeast political director National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee (R-NH)
Indicted, conspiracy, GOTV phone line jamming, Sununu 2002 campaign.

Chuck McGee, former Exec. Dir. New Hampshire Republican Party (R-NH)
Pleaded guilty, conspiracy, GOTV phone line jamming, Sununu 2002 campaign.

Allen Raymond, GOP Marketplace President (R-NH)
Pleaded guilty, conspiracy, GOTV phone line jamming, Sununu 2002 campaign.

Tom Wilson, GOP State Chairman (R-NJ)
Probed for his firm receiving $2.7 million from the Burlington County Bridge Commission.

Jeanine Pirro, Westchester County District Attorney and US Senate candidate (R-NY)
Probed for campaign donations from mobsters. Her husband served a year in prison for tax evasion.

Gov. Froilan Tenorio (R-Northern Marianas Islands)
Grand Jury probe, ties to Abramoff.

Rep. Charles Taylor (R-NC)
Probed for ownership of shady Russian bank whose other major investor is a former KGB general. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff.

Hayes Martin, Treasurer of Charles Taylor's congressional campaign (R-NC)
Indicted, fraud and money laundering.

Gov. Bob Taft (R-OH)
Misuse of state funds/ethics violations. Convicted, four first degree misdemeanors, pleaded no contest (admission of guilt). $4000 fine and public apology.Two Federal Grand Juries, one state Grand Jury still investigating Taft.

Thomas Noe, Bush-Cheney 04 campaign chair, NW Ohio; Turnpike Commissioner; University Regent (R-OH)
Misuse of state funds for rare coin fund. Indicted by Federal grand jury, arrested in Florida.

CWeb · 05-28-2007, 12:25 AM

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Bernadette Noe, Thomas Noe?s wife, Chairman of Lucas County GOP; Chairman of Lucas Co. Board of Elections (R-OH)
Misuse of state funds.

Brian Hicks, Chief of Staff to Gov. Bob Taft, member Ohio University Board of Trustees (R-OH)
Convicted for an ethics violation dealing with his stay at Tom Noe's home in Florida.

Cherie Carroll, Chief of Staff Executive Secretary to Gov. Bob Taft (R-OH)
Convicted for accepting the payment of meals at "fine dining establishments" valued at over $500 from Tom Noe while he was doing business with Ohio.

Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH)
Being probed for involvement with Abramoff, Kidan, and DeLay, Indian casino money laundering. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff and Kidan. Indictment may be imminent.

Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH)
Probe of financial ties to Games, Inc., and proposal to put Ohio State Lottery on the Internet. Received contributions from DeLay?s ARMPAC, linked to Abramoff.

Douglas Moormann, Gov. Taft's Executive Assistant for Business and Industry (R-OH)
Under criminal investigation for accepting loan from Noe.

State Rep. Dan Doyle (R-OR)
Convicted for misuse of campaign funds.

Rep. Don Sherwood (R-PA)
Investigated by DC police for assaulting and choking a 29-year old Maryland woman. Sherwood, who is married and campaigned for office on "family values", also has been sued by the woman, who claims he attacked and choked her in their ?love nest.? Sherwood defended himself by stating that he wasn't trying to choke her - he was just trying to give her a ?back rub?.

Mike Battles, House candidate in 2002 (R-RI)
Firm, Custer Battles, disbarred from Iraq contracts following allegations of overcharging and money laundering.

Vincent Cianci, Mayor of Providence (R-RI)
Convicted in 2002 and sentenced to 5 years in prison for conspiracy related to Federal charges of racketeering, extortion, witness tampering, and mail fraud. Also resigned from office in 1984 after being convicted of assaulting a man with a lit cigarette, an ashtray and a fireplace log.

Rep. Bill Janklow (R-SD)
Convicted of second degree manslaughter and imprisoned for running a stop sign at a rural intersection near Trent, SD and hitting motorcyclist Randolph E. Scott, killing him. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff.

Sen. Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader (R-TN)
Under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) for insider trading on his Hospital Corporation of America (HCA) stock

Rep. Tom DeLay, House Majority Leader (R-TX)
Probed for campaign finance fraud, ties to Abramoff/Kidan, Saipan sweat shops. Grand Jury, Travis County prosecutor, and House Ethics Committee probing DeLay. Indicted by Travis County District Attorney for 1 count of criminal conspiracy and 2 counts of money laundering. Arrested and booked at Harris County jail October 20, 2005. Recipient of contributions from Abramoff.

Jim Ellis, Director Americans for a Republican Majority (ARMPAC) PAC (R-TX)
Tied to DeLay and Abramoff, indicted.

John Colyandro, Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), DeLay associate (R-TX)
Indicted.

Warren RoBold, Lobbyist and DeLay associate (R-TX)
Indicted.

State House Speaker Tom Craddick (R-TX)
Probed for campaign violations involving TRMPAC and DeLay.

State Rep. Todd Baxter (R-TX)
Investigated for receiving ARMPAC and TRMPAC money from Republican National Committee. To resign from office.

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX)
Recipient of $10,000 from ARMPAC in 2003. Arrested for DWI in South Dakota.

Spokane Mayor Jim West (R-WA)
Under Federal and state investigation for abusing his office to obtain sexual favors and soliciting sex over the Internet from underage males.

OTHER REPUBLICANS ACCUSED OF RECENT WRONGDOING (mostly in Washington, DC area):

Jack Abramoff, GOP lobbyist Adam Kidan, DC Dial-a-Mattress franchise in DC and Abramoff associate
Indicted for wire fraud, conspiracy Indicted, wire fraud, conspiracy.

Michael Scanlon, former chief of staff to Tom DeLay
Being probed for involvement in Indian casino scandal with Abramoff, Kidan, and DeLay. Indicted Nov. 18, 2005 for conspiracy to defraud Indian tribes. Pleaded guilty Nov. 21.

Steve Rosen, American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
Indicted for criminal conspiracy involving classified national security information.

Keith Weismann, AIPAC
Indicted for criminal conspiracy involving classified national security information.

Larry Franklin, Colonel, USAF Reserves, Dept. of Defense
Indicted for criminal conspiracy involving classified national security information.

Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.
Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer.

CWeb · 05-28-2007, 12:27 AM

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Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Can't be bothered with the rest - this is boring. Anyways - everyone is totally innocent of all and any alleged offenses

Blum · 05-28-2007, 12:44 AM

Speaking from a non-US point of view (I'm a Brit), I felt far safer while Clinton was in power than with most of the other modern presidents. He seemed like a calm, thoughtful and deliberate president.

And he could pronounce 'nuclear'.

Bonus!
Blum

JP513 · 05-28-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

JFK- his dealing with the cuban missile crisis puts him very near the top

Ronald Reagan- cold war, the berlin wall comming down and when he did have a scandal he stood up and took his lumps like a man and didn't lie his way out of like slick willy.

Remember that when reagan took office we had high unemployement and high inflaction and he brought the country out of that mess.

No historian calls any president great for presiding over the natural evolution of an economic cycle in a wealthy country. Neither Clinton or Reagan.

JFK gets high marks for Cuban Missle, but is not regarded by professional historians as top 10. Middle of the pack actually, as much as I liked him.

JP513 · 05-28-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I completely agree that no modern president has even come close to greatness. When you think of people like Lincoln, Washington, FDR, TR, etc, they can't even come close.

The reason I've always ranked Teddy high is because I actually admire him as a person, tremendous intellect, but at the same time a tough guy that's not like the whiny ass little bitches we have now in politics.

It's amazing we've gone so long without great leaders...a few adequate leaders, sure, but great...not even close.

Good reply. Good to hold Teddy in high esteem, too. He deserves it. Love Teddy and call him the 5th greatest. Few historians would put up much of a fight cause they love Teddy too.

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05-27-2007, 03:46 PM	#62
hypnotizes Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 140	Clinton was the best PREZ. The facts are there. The economy was booming, jobs were abundant, we were @ peace aside from a few military scraps, and the most anyone has to complain about is that he lied about getting his dick sucked. On the other hand, you got Dubya who got us in a vietnam type war which is futile. The economy is down, he's an idiot (just look his greatest hits on you tube) and his administration is hit with scandal after scandal every week. He should be impeached but those wealthy powers that be would rather have a conservative in office to make the rich richer. And for all you conservative fucks that wanna bring up "the war on terrorism", you can suck a fat one. I actually fought in OIF, two years a piece, torn away from my family and friends. Even though I didnt agree with the war, i did my duty and fought it in cuz i owed it to my friends next to me and its what i promised God I would do for my country when I rose my right hand. Ive seen what goes on over there. For those of you that say the war is the right thing, how come 90% of you arent serving or have an excuse. Send your kids to fight and die and lets see if you support the war then. __________________ ICQ: 459933951 Last edited by hypnotizes; 05-27-2007 at 03:47 PM..

05-27-2007, 04:49 PM	#63
teenmodelcumshots Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 55	Stephen Colbert would ask "Bill Clinton: One of the best presidents or the best president?" He was certainly a friend to the adult industry. While he was in office, things were great. Porn and free speech laws were relaxed. Then George Dumbass Bush got in and Seymour Butts and Rob Black were hit with lawsuits. Suddenly Bukkake and Double Fisting became illegal. And there was an attempt to kill off part of the industry with 2257 laws. We need another Porn-Friendly President. How can you possibly be an Adult Webmaster and a Conservative? How could the two possibly go together??? __________________ Best Converting Adult Site Ads: Fling.com Adult Personals Great Hardcore Teen Model Sponsor Last edited by teenmodelcumshots; 05-27-2007 at 04:50 PM..

05-27-2007, 02:03 PM	#59
juz Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 307	Good lord the Clinton humpers on this board are as bad the Bush lovers, say something negative about bubba and the only reply is better then the current administration.... Well that really doesn't say a lot for Bill does it. Bill wasn't all that bad but history wont put him anywhere near the the best, he was fortunate enough to get elected right as the tech boom was starting but the good times were not a result of anything he did. He boasted of a balanced budget, but if you go back and like through the GOA you'll see it was all smoke and mirrors. And yes his foreign policy did help the rise to the current problem with Al Qaeda, bitch and moan all you want about Iraq/Bush and I'll agree with you but it is fact Clinton and his administration could have captured bin Laden on several occasions and passed because they didn't view him as a threat even though he was tied to the first World Trade Center bombing, Kenya and Nairobi embassy bombings and the USS Cole. In his defense though, his administration did screw the pooch in 93 with the Mogadishu/Blackhawk down incident, which took all the wind out of any military sails of his presidency. So in conclusion Bush sucks and Clinton was over rated and I pray to god Hilary is not elected, she is not what this country needs after the Bush fiasco, she will divide us even more.

05-27-2007, 03:34 PM	#61
Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	He's got nothing on Nixon

05-27-2007, 07:32 PM	#65
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	He was better than GWB for sure... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

05-27-2007, 07:52 PM	#67
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Every opinion on this is going to be too simplistic in some aspect. From the perspective of an outsider (non-US resident) looking in one could say Clinton removed the deficit that Bush Sr ran up and even created a bit of a surplus during his tenure. The US dollar's value certainly rose on the world market during his watch, and by his momentum continued to climb for a year or two after he was finished. Then Bush Jr did the war thing and a few other bold moves and poof, your dollar is in the crapper. Simplistic, surface-view only though. Others will argue the moral issue, him being a bad role model, philandering, cheating on his wife, etc. Still others will pull out the 25 year economics charts and graphs and attempt to illustrate why he was a bad president or a good one. Personally I like Bill. I think that if Hillary is elected (and she could very well be) his influence as "first lady" would definitely be a factor. He's one of the best public speakers in the world, the leaders of many other nations all liked him and respected him greatly, that's a fact. Under his watch you didn't hear nearly as much negativity about the USA as you do today under the Bush regime. And really, any president who plays the saxaphone is going to be well-liked, period. The man get's BJ's, cranks out good tunage, and is a consumate diplomate on the world's political stage, even those who hate him gotta love him a LITTLE. :D Julianni may have to wait 4 to 8 more years before it's his time. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

05-27-2007, 08:06 PM	#69
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	the .com explosion happens and Clinton gets credit for a robust economy. there is a budget surplus as a result and clinton gets credit for being fiscally responsible... yet neither issues have anything at all to do with who is or isn't president. Clinton was a good president by virtue of the fact that he fucked shit up less than some others. Peace? Somalia? Kosovo? weighing plans to Bomb N Korea etc etc etc.

05-27-2007, 08:12 PM	#71
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Hillary is far more liberal than Bill. Hopefully the red states will block that nightmare. __________________ Boner Money

05-27-2007, 08:14 PM	#72
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I wonder what gee dubya would have done different during the Kosovo crisis. :D __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

05-27-2007, 09:33 PM	#80
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I'm essentially conservative..... and I like Bill. :D __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

05-27-2007, 10:44 PM	#85
juz Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Van down by the river Posts: 307	Actually there was more then one chance, read Jawbreaker by Gary Berntsen, after the embassy bombings in Africa he was made head of the CIA Bin laden team. He also lead the first CIA teams into Afghanistan in 2001 code named Jawbreaker. And for you partisan homos out there he blast the hell out of the Bush admin for letting Bin Laden go at Tora Bora

05-28-2007, 12:00 AM	#92
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	CLINTON SCANDAL STATS COMPILED BY THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally published October 1998. Partially updated 9/21/00 Please send corrections and additions to THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW THE REVIEW HOME PAGE NOTES Some of the data has not been updated recently and thus understates conditions. In certain areas, such as anomalous deaths, we have used an extremely conservative count. It is important in considering these fatal incidents to bear in mind the following: (1) The fact that anomalies need to be investigated further carries no presumption of how a death actually occurred, only that there remain serious questions that require answers. (2) The possibility of foul play must be taken seriously in a major criminal conspiracy in which over two score individuals and firms have been convicted and over 100 witnesses have pled the Fifth Amendment or fled the country. (3) If foul play did occur in any of these cases, that fact by itself does not carry the presumption that the White House was involved. Given the footprints of organized crime, drug trade, foreign espionage, and intelligence agencies on the trail of the Clinton story, such a assumption would not be warranted. ADMINISTRATION RECORDS SET - The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly - First president sued for sexual harassment. - First president accused of rape. - First first lady to come under criminal investigation - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case - First president to establish a legal defense fund. - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House. Using a far looser standard that included resignations, David R. Simon and D. Stanley Eitzen in Elite Deviance, say that 138 appointees of the Reagan administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or were criminally indicted. Curiously Haynes Johnson uses the same figure but with a different standard in "Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years: "By the end of his term, 138 administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever." HISTORICAL CONTEXT - Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19 - Number that have produced indictments: 7 - Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1 - Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months - Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months. - Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15 - Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00 - Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million - Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million - Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million - Number of Clinton cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5 - Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4 - Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3 CRIME STATS - Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47 - Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33 - Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61 - Number of imprisonments: 14 - Number of congressional witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 124 CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION - As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals. - According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. [These figures are included in the larger figures elsewhere]. -James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws. STARR INVESTIGATION - Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15 - Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5 - Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4 - Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3 SMALTZ INVESTIGATION - Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15 - Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6 - Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million - Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99 - Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million - Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million - Reasons individuals other than Espy were convicted or pled guilty: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff sentenced to prison in this case) CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery(4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts(1), illegal campaign contributions(5), money laundering (6) POSSIBLE CRIMES AND SUSPICIOUS MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS, CONGRESS, AND/OR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, illegal acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, illegal futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, as well as providing access to the White House to drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime. ... __________________ Boner Money

05-28-2007, 12:01 AM	#93
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Continued.... UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA - FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900 - Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000 - Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5 - Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40 - Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45 - Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000 - Number of persons involved with Clinton who have been beaten up: 2 - Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen): 5 - Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10 ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME - Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9 - Number known to have been murdered: 12 - Number who died in plane crashes: 6 - Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3 - Number killed during Waco massacre: 4 - Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1 - Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1 - Number of medications being taken by Jim McDougal at the time he was placed in solitary confinement shortly before his death: 12 - Number of unexplained deaths: 4 - Total suspicious deaths: 46 - Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30 - Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156 ARKANSAS ALZHEIMER'S - Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50 - Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42 - Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271 - Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125 - Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235 ARKANSAS MONEY MANAGEMENT - Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million - Grand Cayman's population: 18,000 - Number of commercial banks: 570 - Number of bank regulators: 1 - Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-80s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank. - Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3 - Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15% - Percent of Worthen bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then governor, Bill Clinton: 40%. - Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: over 50% THE MEDIA - Number of journalists covering Whitewater who have been fired, transferred off the beat, resigned or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals (Doug Frantz, Jim Wooten, Richard Behar, Christopher Ruddy, Michael Isikoff, David Eisenstadt, Yinh Chan, Jonathan Broder, James R. Norman, Zoh Hieronimus): 10 FRIENDS OF BILL - Number of times John Huang took the 5th Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000 - Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie. 160 - Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577 - Number of members of Thomas Boggs's law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration. 18 - Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37 - Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261 - Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500 POLITICAL FALL-OUT - According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of November 2000 that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats controlled only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans. Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the Democrats. Not only was this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968). Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton: - GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48 - GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8 - GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11 - GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254 as of 1998 - State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9 - Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became president: 439 as of 1998 - Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3 http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/wwstats.htm __________________ Boner Money

05-28-2007, 12:08 AM	#94
spanky part 2 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,981	Bush record. Hanging chads to get into office Can't speaka the engrish 9-11 Katrina Warrantless wiretaps 2 attorney general scandals closed door energy policy taken to supreme court to keep it secret record gasoline prices runaway deficit Iraq Talk about a real winner there.

05-28-2007, 12:44 AM	#98
Blum Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 31	Speaking from a non-US point of view (I'm a Brit), I felt far safer while Clinton was in power than with most of the other modern presidents. He seemed like a calm, thoughtful and deliberate president. And he could pronounce 'nuclear'. Bonus! *Blum* __________________