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Sosa · 06-20-2007, 07:32 AM

I don't have a problem with the hospitals around here that I have went too. They clearly state if it is an emergency or a woman is giving birth to a child, the hospital must provide care for them even if they don't have insurance or not able to pay.

You should know to have some sort of insurance in place for your family.

KRosh · 06-20-2007, 07:35 AM

Let me tell you a story.

One of my best friends here in Los Angeles has been diagnosed with congestive heart failure. He was going in and out of a doctors office and paying for everything out of his own pocket because EVERY insurance company in the US that he tried to buy insurance from denied him for a preexisting condition.

He is a US citizen and has paid taxes in this country for many years but was born in England. He can not afford health care in the US any longer as he is disabled and can not work a steady job and they will not let him purchase insurance. He has been denied treatment 2 times when he was almost dead. He finally went back to England and from there he also went to France where he has been treated for his condition and kept alive. He goes back and forth every so often for testing and medication. The British and French government reimburse him for his flight. Now you tell me what is wrong with this picture?
If he had relied on the US for treatment he would be DEAD.

stickyfingerz · 06-20-2007, 07:38 AM

Dont know we have full insurance on our family. Didnt pay a dime when we just had our new baby. 3 and a half days in the hospital and was all covered by insurance.

06-20-2007, 07:41 AM

i am located in NY and i have a PPO but its a lil over $400 a month BUT i never get denied anything and i can see the best doctors. Any medicine i want costs me $10 or less....

06-20-2007, 07:46 AM

for all those who do not have health insurance here, if you are self employed, or LLC or S-corp you should look into joining an association in your area. Go in on their group policy and get better rates that way....something to look into

if you are located in NY or Long Island you can join http://longislandassociation.com/
rates from like $200 to $500 a month depening on what u go with...only $35 fee to join teh LIA

Fucksakes · 06-20-2007, 07:51 AM

my child had a high fever and I spent the day trying to get his fever down, and when I called a help line to see what else to do, they called ambulance for me, and when we got to the hospital we waited for 3 hours and his fever went back to normal.."i guess the trip outside in the cold" and we just left with permission from the nurse in waiting room.

emergency room is always packed and takes serveral hours to get in.

Canada

MattO · 06-20-2007, 07:54 AM

A couple of years ago my wife and I got new insurance, and we asked the agent specifically if it would cover her having another baby (we were very adamant in asking about pregnancy/labor coverage).

The agent told us 100% it would after we carried the insurance for a year.

Over a year later she gets pregnant and guess what, the insurance company tells us NOTHING is covered. Apparently they sent us an "update" to the contract which took out all pregnancy eligibility from the plan (which I had never seen or recieved).

So not only did we pay 900 a month into a plan we couldn't use, we had to go out-of-pocket for the birth, which ended up being a c-section and expensive.

We are trying to fight it but it's like battling a gigantic monster and we're fucking broke from paying the hospital bills.

Fuck those fuckers.

directfiesta · 06-20-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Dont know we have full insurance on our family. Didnt pay a dime when we just had our new baby. 3 and a half days in the hospital and was all covered by insurance.

That's because your wife has a great job with insurance plan ...

If you were single, you would be whoring for healthcare

Jman · 06-20-2007, 07:59 AM

People die in hospital parking lots in ever city. It happens here to man :-(

Fap · 06-20-2007, 07:59 AM

It's sad but it happens. Who will pay for their hospital bill? It aint cheap treating him

Fap · 06-20-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JMan

People die in hospital parking lots in ever city. It happens here to man :-(

Thats understandable:
"Location: Hell"

Phoenix · 06-20-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

wow....in the face of death of a young child..you can still manage to pull t his out

i must say im impressed...i thought i was a hard ass

Tom_PM · 06-20-2007, 08:25 AM

If they had said we have no insurance, their baby would still be alive.. very sad. I'm paying about $38k out of pocket right now. I make too much money to get any government (fed or state) assistance. I will look into some sort of self employed group insurance as I have ongoing issues/needs. But I'm not too hopefull of getting it to be honest.

SxDx · 06-20-2007, 08:37 AM

i like michael moore's documentaries because they make you think, but i also take them with a grain of salt because he has a strong bias towards the subject matters he covers and never presents the pros to his cons.

pocketkangaroo · 06-20-2007, 08:49 AM

I liked the movie because it went beyond just people not having insurance. Insurance companies fuck us all the time. They tell doctors what treatments they can do, they tell them what drugs are allowed, and they basically run the hospitals. I've had multiple friends have to leave the hospital early after surgery because the insurance company refused to pay for the days the doctor told them they should be staying.

Whatever happens with healthcare, one this needs to be changed immediately. INSURANCE COMPANIES SHOULD HAVE NO SAY IN YOUR MEDICAL TREATMENT. The doctor should do what they feel is best, and the insurance company should pay.

madawgz · 06-20-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Aga

Didn`t kill you but it certainly did some kind of brain damage!

wow, thats fucking funny

WiredGuy · 06-20-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

I tend to believe that a doctor's hippocratic oath would have not denied service to someone who needed it, private or public.
WG

NaughtyAmerica · 06-20-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LilBro

hey MikeVega,

comes out the 29th in USA....you can download it for FREE online...

Where can you find it?

madawgz · 06-20-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyAmerica

Where can you find it?

i got my copy from here:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3715383/..._Michael_Moore

its perfect dvd quality

SpacemanSpiff · 06-20-2007, 10:00 AM

A few years ago I went to the emergency room with severe pains in my lower abdomen, with no insurance. They assumed it was kidney stones since the symptoms were exactly the same. They gave me lots of drugs for the pain and kept me in the ER while trying to arrange transfer to a charity hospital. A few hours later I "crashed". Not sure what that means. I was out of it. It's just what they told me. Turns out my appendix had ruptured. They nixed the transfer and brought me straight to surgery. I spent about 10 days in an induced coma in intensive care, and had to have another surgery. Two months later I was released.

They never charged me a dime.

Just because you hear a few horror stories about bad medical care, that doesn't mean it's some kind of national policy. As someone stated above, if you're in immediate danger they are required to treat you.

notabook · 06-20-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SpacemanSpiff

Just because you hear a few horror stories about bad medical care, that doesn't mean it's some kind of national policy. As someone stated above, if you're in immediate danger they are required to treat you.

I bet this woman's husband wishes that was true.

And the same exact thing can be said in your situation: Just because you hear a few good stories about adequate medical care, that doesn't mean it's some kind of national normalcy.

JMM · 06-20-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

My point exactly.

I bet he knows now.

I wonder if he is going to return the money.

Yes, he knows.

No, he is not going to return the money.

And, when he found out it was Moore who sent the money, he was angry.

Ungrateful piece of shit.

Matt 26z · 06-20-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

what do illegals have to do with it?

15 million illegal Mexicans. None of them have a real doctor. They get a hangnail and go to the ER. Who do you think pays for that?

JMM · 06-20-2007, 10:13 AM

Woman dies in ER waiting room, 911 operators refuse to help her. Janitors clean up her vomit as she lay dying.

http://www.wnbc.com/health/13503186/detail.html

Disgusting. Someone should go to jail for this.

VForV · 06-20-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesonyou

sicko, and sad. Time to close the borders and keep illegals out of our hospitals.

Well, Americans:
What, nothin' better to do?
Why don't you kick yourself out?
You're an immigrant too.

Who's usin' who?
What should we do?
Well you can't be a pimp
And a prostitute too

darling2 · 06-20-2007, 10:26 AM

Whenever I travel to the USA I buy the most expensive medical insurance available, even if I go there just for a week. Before seeing this movie I had heard some horror stories, but not this bad.

This movie is a real jaw dropper. Its really terrible to have to worry about medical expenses, ever.

Free healthcare is a human right. Just like free education is a human right.

Is it a benefit to society if the next einstein dies at birth because of lack of medical care, or won't reach his full potential because he can't get education?

Too bad some corrupt politicians don't see it that way.

Cassie · 06-20-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

you can't be serious with this comment.

the child could have been admitted and the mother could have been billed (at triple the amount since her insurance didn't cover that hospital in their plan) for the emergency visit. hence, the child would have most likely lived.

hospitals bill those without insurance all the time for an emergency visit (and most don't pay because the bill is too high therefore sending the person into collections).

baycouples · 06-20-2007, 10:33 AM

This is capitalism. If you make good money - you should be able to buy better things than people who make less. Why is health any different?

Though the movie brings up a more disturbing question ( at least for me ) - that doctors give you medical advice not based on their medical expertise but based on what makes sense financially.

baycouples · 06-20-2007, 10:37 AM

BTW, you never get denied coverage when you're getting health insurance from your work. So, unless one doesn't have a decent job - you'll be covered. After the retirement age - there is state and federal insurance programs that'll cover almost 100%

baycouples · 06-20-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SxDx

i like michael moore's documentaries because they make you think, but i also take them with a grain of salt because he has a strong bias towards the subject matters he covers and never presents the pros to his cons.

This is probably the most realistic assessment of this and other Michael Moore movies.

Jimmy Rock · 06-20-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Okay Dr Axeman. I had a 105 temp when I was a kid . . . why am I alive?

Because you are the Silver Surfer!!

latinasojourn · 06-20-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

Man, you think the hospital in US is bad!?!?!? haha, yeah ok!!

Try getting help in a third word country, they wont do shit until u pay!

true, today in the provinces of the philippines poor flips are dying from influenzna because they don't have 1000 pesos to see a doctor.

latinasojourn · 06-20-2007, 10:50 AM

1000 pesos = approx 22usd

darling2 · 06-20-2007, 10:53 AM

Most of the universal health care system iin Europe is like it is because of Christian values. Matthew 22:39 "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"

I wonder why the religious right in the US does not want to love their neighbor and offer them help and free health care in a time of need.

Maybe they are not that Christian after all?

CyberHustler · 06-20-2007, 11:01 AM

Comparing taking your kid to the nearest medical facility to going to Macy's when you only have K-mart money.... WOW

latinasojourn · 06-20-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by darling2

Free healthcare is a human right. Just like free education is a human right.

unfortunately that is not true, and has not been true for the last few million years.

and it will never be true in a philosophical sense. and does not work in a practical sense.

advances in civilization occur because SOME humans made an effort.

and in a perfect world, these SOME people should have some moral propensity toward those less fortunate, but the less fortunate have no "right" to the benefit.

because IF everyone has the same "right" to a cultural benefit it will take away the incentive for SOME humans to excel, and all of society will suffer.

(a basic flaw of communism)

humans are, by nature motivated by greed and self benefit, not altruism.

latinasojourn · 06-20-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by baycouples

BTW, you never get denied coverage when you're getting health insurance from your work. So, unless one doesn't have a decent job - you'll be covered. After the retirement age - there is state and federal insurance programs that'll cover almost 100%

private health insurance for the self-employed (like many of us here) is ridculously expensive in the states.

and it is partly so expensive because MANY people do get free or almost free medical care in the usa.

fact.

and i look for the day when we have national health insurance at affordable rates.

Axeman · 06-20-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn

private health insurance for the self-employed (like many of us here) is ridculously expensive in the states.

and it is partly so expensive because MANY people do get free or almost free medical care in the usa.

fact.

and i look for the day when we have national health insurance at affordable rates.

Thats the kicker and the fact most don't understand. If you setup a national health care system that is preventative and not at the emergency stage, the cost to the tax payers would actually be cheaper than it is now. The US government spends insane amounts of money proving health care currently because of poor people going to emergency rooms in dire need and illegals going to emergency for anything.

But its up to the people of the US to decide what they want, and if they like the way it is now, then so be it.

Axeman · 06-20-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by baycouples

BTW, you never get denied coverage when you're getting health insurance from your work. So, unless one doesn't have a decent job - you'll be covered. After the retirement age - there is state and federal insurance programs that'll cover almost 100%

You have actual data and sources to back up that claim that if your covered through work, you never get denied? I find that extremely hard to believe.

royaljelly2 · 06-20-2007, 11:18 AM

In canada we have free medical - ok well - we pay through our ass in taxes - but - we dont have to worry about money. Although - the wait times for medical treatment is terrible.

Tom_PM · 06-20-2007, 11:22 AM

The religious right doesnt care about the poor or sick lives. They care about stopping stem cell research claiming it takes a human life. Yet they allow fertility clinics to throw unused embryos in the trash can every day and are too afraid to speak out against that. They are for "life" when it's politically convenient and nothing more.

The unborn. Not the ones with diseases. Lets make that extra clear.

oh, plus they hate gays. Cant forget that since we're gearing up for a presidential election... lol

SmokeyTheBear · 06-20-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the parents for not taking the kid to the right hospital in the first place. Going to a private hospital when you don't have the money or insurance is YOUR fault, not the hospital's.

wow baddog you have been awfully jaded lately..

Doctors follow a code of ethics called the hypocratic oath.

This means they are not supposed to deny service to anyone based on their financial status or many other reasons.

ADL Colin · 06-20-2007, 11:28 AM

I heard Moore's next movie is going to be on movie piracy.

SmokeyTheBear · 06-20-2007, 11:30 AM

my take on the whole issue is.. if your dead your not paying taxes.. thus its gotta be better to keep people alive

Peaches · 06-20-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

wow baddog you have been awfully jaded lately..

Doctors follow a code of ethics called the hypocratic oath.

This means they are not supposed to deny service to anyone based on their financial status or many other reasons.

I haven't seen the movie, but like the case with the woman recently dying in the ER - the one with her boyfriend calling 911 - it's not usually a doctor working out front and making decisions.

Since I haven't seen the movie and it's already been brought up here, did he talk about all the free care the US gives illegals? Our little town hospital is seriously looking at closing down because they are going under w/ unpaid bills from illegals - whom they legally have to treat.

baddog · 06-20-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by darling2

Free healthcare is a human right. Just like free education is a human right.

Sure it is, if you want to use the herbs Mother Earth put out there for you.

SmokeyTheBear · 06-20-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

I haven't seen the movie, but like the case with the woman recently dying in the ER - the one with her boyfriend calling 911 - it's not usually a doctor working out front and making decisions.

i think the "ostrich" defense only applies in legal arguments not ethical ones..

and this would only lead to problems.. if one of my kids had a high fever and a nurse was ignoring my requests , i now would know to push her aside and find a doctor who HAS to address the situation.. and cant use the ostrich defense and claim its the nurse who hasnt taken the hypocratic oath that ignored her because she didnt know any better.

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Since I haven't seen the movie and it's already been brought up here, did he talk about all the free care the US gives illegals? Our little town hospital is seriously looking at closing down because they are going under w/ unpaid bills from illegals - whom they legally have to treat.

well to be real the problem isnt the illegals .. its the funding the hospital gets.. hospitals should get enough money to treat their caseload period. illegals or no illegals. the hypocratic oath certainly doesn't include a disclaimer for only u.s. citizens infact it goes one step further and includes illegals. , and besides that illegals are pumping money into the economy not distracting from it as far as i can see. If they are in the country they are likely working and likely paying taxes of some sort. the problem is census figures dont always work especially in areas with high influx in people.

Hospitals are like education.. there is no reason why not to completely fund it. it pays off in taxes, if we keep people alive they can pay more taxes , if we educate them , the smarter they get the more money in taxes they will pay.

Canada should simply train every child from 1st grade to be doctors , then become the worlds hospital..

wil_I_Am · 06-20-2007, 12:06 PM

wow. It's very obvious that many of you have never had something serious go wrong with a family member.

Insurance plans are GREAT... until something serious goes wrong, and then the HMO's start searching for ways not to pay.

Baddog, please don't respond to this thread until you've seen the movie. Your ignorance is driving us over the edge. The mother called 911, the AMBULANCE drove to the closest hospital. The daughter was treated, until they found out that something was seriously wrong, at which point her insurance denied her any more services unless they moved her to an "in-network" hospital. By the time she got there, the daughter was pretty much dead. Death could have been prevented.

baddog · 06-20-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i think the "ostrich" defense only applies in legal arguments not ethical ones..

and this would only lead to problems.. if one of my kids had a high fever and a nurse was ignoring my requests , i now would know to push her aside and find a doctor who HAS to address the situation.. and cant use the ostrich defense and claim its the nurse who hasnt taken the hypocratic oath that ignored her because she didnt know any better.

well to be real the problem isnt the illegals .. its the funding the hospital gets.. hospitals should get enough money to treat their caseload period. illegals or no illegals. the hypocratic oath certainly doesn't include a disclaimer for only u.s. citizens infact it goes one step further and includes illegals. , and besides that illegals are pumping money into the economy not distracting from it as far as i can see. If they are in the country they are likely working and likely paying taxes of some sort. the problem is census figures dont always work especially in areas with high influx in people.

Hospitals are like education.. there is no reason why not to completely fund it. it pays off in taxes, if we keep people alive they can pay more taxes , if we educate them , the smarter they get the more money in taxes they will pay.

Canada should simply train every child from 1st grade to be doctors , then become the worlds hospital..

We are not Socialists, and hopefully never will be.

Affordable health care (insurance) is one thing, but capitalism is why there are strides in medicine. Precisely why communism doesn't work. You don't give incentive to people to come up with better ideas.

Peaches · 06-20-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i think the "ostrich" defense only applies in legal arguments not ethical ones..

and this would only lead to problems.. if one of my kids had a high fever and a nurse was ignoring my requests , i now would know to push her aside and find a doctor who HAS to address the situation.. and cant use the ostrich defense and claim its the nurse who hasnt taken the hypocratic oath that ignored her because she didnt know any better.

I would too - did the parents do this?

Perhaps illegals SHOULDN'T be the problem, but at least in my town they are. I rather doubt the only major medical center in a 30 mile radius wants to shut down. Perhaps where you live the illegals pay taxes and such. Here they live 20 to a room, don't pay taxes and right now don't seem to be paying their medical bills.

06-20-2007, 07:35 AM	#52
KRosh So Fucking Outlawed Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,114	Let me tell you a story. One of my best friends here in Los Angeles has been diagnosed with congestive heart failure. He was going in and out of a doctors office and paying for everything out of his own pocket because EVERY insurance company in the US that he tried to buy insurance from denied him for a preexisting condition. He is a US citizen and has paid taxes in this country for many years but was born in England. He can not afford health care in the US any longer as he is disabled and can not work a steady job and they will not let him purchase insurance. He has been denied treatment 2 times when he was almost dead. He finally went back to England and from there he also went to France where he has been treated for his condition and kept alive. He goes back and forth every so often for testing and medication. The British and French government reimburse him for his flight. Now you tell me what is wrong with this picture? If he had relied on the US for treatment he would be DEAD. __________________ ICQ 115433750

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06-20-2007, 08:25 AM	#63
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06-20-2007, 08:37 AM	#64
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06-20-2007, 10:00 AM	#70
SpacemanSpiff Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 5th and main Posts: 230	A few years ago I went to the emergency room with severe pains in my lower abdomen, with no insurance. They assumed it was kidney stones since the symptoms were exactly the same. They gave me lots of drugs for the pain and kept me in the ER while trying to arrange transfer to a charity hospital. A few hours later I "crashed". Not sure what that means. I was out of it. It's just what they told me. Turns out my appendix had ruptured. They nixed the transfer and brought me straight to surgery. I spent about 10 days in an induced coma in intensive care, and had to have another surgery. Two months later I was released. They never charged me a dime. Just because you hear a few horror stories about bad medical care, that doesn't mean it's some kind of national policy. As someone stated above, if you're in immediate danger they are required to treat you. __________________ Freepicssex.com - Submit Your Free Sites

06-20-2007, 07:32 AM	#51
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	I don't have a problem with the hospitals around here that I have went too. They clearly state if it is an emergency or a woman is giving birth to a child, the hospital must provide care for them even if they don't have insurance or not able to pay. You should know to have some sort of insurance in place for your family.

06-20-2007, 07:38 AM	#53
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Dont know we have full insurance on our family. Didnt pay a dime when we just had our new baby. 3 and a half days in the hospital and was all covered by insurance.

06-20-2007, 07:41 AM	#54
LilBro Guest Posts: n/a	i am located in NY and i have a PPO but its a lil over $400 a month BUT i never get denied anything and i can see the best doctors. Any medicine i want costs me $10 or less....

06-20-2007, 07:46 AM	#55
LilBro Guest Posts: n/a	for all those who do not have health insurance here, if you are self employed, or LLC or S-corp you should look into joining an association in your area. Go in on their group policy and get better rates that way....something to look into if you are located in NY or Long Island you can join http://longislandassociation.com/ rates from like $200 to $500 a month depening on what u go with...only $35 fee to join teh LIA

06-20-2007, 07:51 AM	#56
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	my child had a high fever and I spent the day trying to get his fever down, and when I called a help line to see what else to do, they called ambulance for me, and when we got to the hospital we waited for 3 hours and his fever went back to normal.."i guess the trip outside in the cold" and we just left with permission from the nurse in waiting room. emergency room is always packed and takes serveral hours to get in. Canada

06-20-2007, 07:54 AM	#57
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	A couple of years ago my wife and I got new insurance, and we asked the agent specifically if it would cover her having another baby (we were very adamant in asking about pregnancy/labor coverage). The agent told us 100% it would after we carried the insurance for a year. Over a year later she gets pregnant and guess what, the insurance company tells us NOTHING is covered. Apparently they sent us an "update" to the contract which took out all pregnancy eligibility from the plan (which I had never seen or recieved). So not only did we pay 900 a month into a plan we couldn't use, we had to go out-of-pocket for the birth, which ended up being a c-section and expensive. We are trying to fight it but it's like battling a gigantic monster and we're fucking broke from paying the hospital bills. Fuck those fuckers.

06-20-2007, 07:59 AM	#60
Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	It's sad but it happens. Who will pay for their hospital bill? It aint cheap treating him

06-20-2007, 08:49 AM	#65
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I liked the movie because it went beyond just people not having insurance. Insurance companies fuck us all the time. They tell doctors what treatments they can do, they tell them what drugs are allowed, and they basically run the hospitals. I've had multiple friends have to leave the hospital early after surgery because the insurance company refused to pay for the days the doctor told them they should be staying. Whatever happens with healthcare, one this needs to be changed immediately. INSURANCE COMPANIES SHOULD HAVE NO SAY IN YOUR MEDICAL TREATMENT. The doctor should do what they feel is best, and the insurance company should pay.

06-20-2007, 10:13 AM	#74
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	Woman dies in ER waiting room, 911 operators refuse to help her. Janitors clean up her vomit as she lay dying. http://www.wnbc.com/health/13503186/detail.html Disgusting. Someone should go to jail for this.

06-20-2007, 10:26 AM	#76
darling2 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 345	Whenever I travel to the USA I buy the most expensive medical insurance available, even if I go there just for a week. Before seeing this movie I had heard some horror stories, but not this bad. This movie is a real jaw dropper. Its really terrible to have to worry about medical expenses, ever. Free healthcare is a human right. Just like free education is a human right. Is it a benefit to society if the next einstein dies at birth because of lack of medical care, or won't reach his full potential because he can't get education? Too bad some corrupt politicians don't see it that way.

06-20-2007, 10:33 AM	#78
baycouples Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,341	This is capitalism. If you make good money - you should be able to buy better things than people who make less. Why is health any different? Though the movie brings up a more disturbing question ( at least for me ) - that doctors give you medical advice not based on their medical expertise but based on what makes sense financially.

06-20-2007, 10:37 AM	#79
baycouples Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,341	BTW, you never get denied coverage when you're getting health insurance from your work. So, unless one doesn't have a decent job - you'll be covered. After the retirement age - there is state and federal insurance programs that'll cover almost 100%

06-20-2007, 10:50 AM	#83
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	1000 pesos = approx 22usd

06-20-2007, 10:53 AM	#84
darling2 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 345	Most of the universal health care system iin Europe is like it is because of Christian values. Matthew 22:39 "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" I wonder why the religious right in the US does not want to love their neighbor and offer them help and free health care in a time of need. Maybe they are not that Christian after all?

06-20-2007, 11:01 AM	#85
CyberHustler Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,290	Comparing taking your kid to the nearest medical facility to going to Macy's when you only have K-mart money.... WOW

06-20-2007, 11:18 AM	#90
royaljelly2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,034	In canada we have free medical - ok well - we pay through our ass in taxes - but - we dont have to worry about money. Although - the wait times for medical treatment is terrible.

06-20-2007, 11:22 AM	#91
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	The religious right doesnt care about the poor or sick lives. They care about stopping stem cell research claiming it takes a human life. Yet they allow fertility clinics to throw unused embryos in the trash can every day and are too afraid to speak out against that. They are for "life" when it's politically convenient and nothing more. The unborn. Not the ones with diseases. Lets make that extra clear. oh, plus they hate gays. Cant forget that since we're gearing up for a presidential election... lol __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

06-20-2007, 11:28 AM	#93
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I heard Moore's next movie is going to be on movie piracy. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

06-20-2007, 11:30 AM	#94
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	my take on the whole issue is.. if your dead your not paying taxes.. thus its gotta be better to keep people alive __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

06-20-2007, 12:06 PM	#98
wil_I_Am Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 695	wow. It's very obvious that many of you have never had something serious go wrong with a family member. Insurance plans are GREAT... until something serious goes wrong, and then the HMO's start searching for ways not to pay. Baddog, please don't respond to this thread until you've seen the movie. Your ignorance is driving us over the edge. The mother called 911, the AMBULANCE drove to the closest hospital. The daughter was treated, until they found out that something was seriously wrong, at which point her insurance denied her any more services unless they moved her to an "in-network" hospital. By the time she got there, the daughter was pretty much dead. Death could have been prevented. __________________ ForbiddenGold.com - Weekly Payouts! - $35 PPS - Contact Me For Any Special Requests! wil {at} forbiddengold.com ICQ: 287-370-139