Young

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Logic will not be tolerated here sir. You must be a racist.




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Young

How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

That questions is just as irrelevant as the one you asked....when placed in context.

Why?

1) Obama leads McCain in every Michigan General Election Poll except for 1 (McCain leads by 0.6). And that's without a solution to the delegate problem.

2) Obama is redrawing the electoral map. He is putting Republican strongholds like Virginia, Mississippi and Georgia into play.

3) Take everything you've known about past Presidential races and throw it into the garbage. His organization and fund raising is nothing like anyone has ever seen before. New voters and those who are used to being disenfranchised by Republican cage tactics are being catered to.

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GatorB

BS. Maybe he gets Virginia if he puts Webb as his VP.

If he is so good at organizing how come he got smoked by 40 points in WV and 30 points in KY? He's not winning WV and hell, even frickin Dukakis won WV.

spanky part 2

I answered your question, you are just too fucking stupid to figure it out. You are so stuck in the past that you can't see the future that is staring you in the face. You will in Nov. when you get slapped across your racist face. History of past elections mean nothing this year. Just look at how Obama raised his money. It wasn't from big donors, it was from the little guys.

Red and Blue doesn't matter anymore.

wtfent

Dude thanks so much, I was looking for a list like this and had no luck. Found nothing even close. This is awesome. Wow its crazy that this is not talked about more. People joke about it like it some crazy conspiracy theory but this information is for real. I mean how many of you have had this many people your connected with die? Just crazy.

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Lets see here. New Mexico, Colorado, Mississippi, and Virginia to name a few.

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I have empathy for your ignorance and fear and this allows me to understand and just as I can't fault a man with cancer for falling victim to his plight...... I cannot blame you for your sickness either.


As far as asking him what state did whatever in history etc etc .... you do understand the dynamics of conventional wisdom that you are basing your opinion on right?... And if so you would be intelligent enough to understand that there is nothing conventional about this election cycle and thus we have zero precedence to base any logical general election prediction on

in other words baddog.... you cannot predict the outcome of this contest based on passed election cycles as our country has never experienced an election cycle with anything close to the major variables in involved this time around

or in even simpler terms for you my friend.... We do know what's gonna happen because nonething that has happened so far has ever happened before

rest easy my friend

GatorB

You do know that Kerry LOST NM and Arizona is right next doot to NM. Unless Obama has Richardson as VP he's not winning NM.

Also remember Kerry lost, Gore lost. Now even if you assume that Obama wins all the states that both Kerry and Gore won that's 248 electoral votes. Gore barely on won NM and Iowa while Kerry barely lost them. Kerry barely won NH which Gore barely lost. Even if Obama wins all 3( doubtful ) that leave him at 264 electoral votes. Or 5 shy of winning. So he needs at least one red state to win. And if he loses Mich or Penn he'll need 2 or 3 maybe more. Mich has 17 EVs and Penn 21. Virgina is the biggest of the group you name and it only has 13.

GatorB

Let's see Kerry didnt win any of these states but did win Mich and had 252 electoral votes. All those four = 33 EVs subtract Mich 17 EVs and you get a net gain of 16 EVs for a total of 268 EVs. 268 EVs = LOSE.

deanberkeley

Why is everyone hating on Baddog? He seems to be one of the few people here that takes shots at all three candidates.

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ThunderBalls

Are you trying to be funny? Not one big state there, Colorado is up in the air and New Mexico...no fucking way. Tell me again how Obama wins this election?

notoldschool

Obama cannot bring change to our Country if she is VP.

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Obama cannot do anything if he cannot get elected.

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spanky part 2

You are the same people that said he couldn't beat Hillary and look now. I just have to smile at all you fools who think that a 71 year grumpy senile old man is gonna beat the most inspiring candidate since Kennedy.

spanky part 2

One other thing for all you McCain supporters. How do you think that quote of "I don't know much about the economy, but I am reading Greenspan's book is gonna play in the general election, when gas is $5 and we are in a full blown recession. You think people are gonna like that he wants to keep us in a war? Explain that to me.

You all keep showing me old maps, lets see some real meat on why Mac should be president.

72 if he wins when he gets the job. lmao

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broke

Do you really have that much trouble remembering three years ago? Seven? Before that, there were Carter and Nixon.

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ThunderBalls

I never said McCain should be president nor do I support him. But the fact is Obama has not won one big state besides his home state of IL, and most of those he lost before Wrightgate, and there are plenty of Hillary supporters that will not vote for him.

_Richard_

you have some good thoughts

Captain Kawaii

cut to the chase - no matter who wins - just learn spanglish...
life in the declining years will be easier....

politicans are just tools of who ever is running this ship at the moment....

spanky part 2

So you think Obama won't win NY, NJ, Mass, or California?

ThunderBalls

So you think he'll win FL, MI, OH, PA and TX?

spanky part 2

Actually yes, TX and Ohio will be close, but all the rest yes.

Alky

The Cubans think he is a joke for wanting to sit down with Raul Castro. Good luck in FL.

GatorB

Most Cubans in Miami don't care about Cuba anymore. You've had 2 generations of American born Cubans and they wouldn't go back is both Castros died today and communism was banned. The only Cubans that care are the older ones and a lot of them have died and the rest that are still around have been in the US longer than they ever were in Cuba and they won't go back either. In case you didn't notice when Castro ceded power to his brother ther weren't any big celebrations in Miami. If that happened even 15 years ago there would have been HUGE crowds in the streets partying their asses off.

spanky part 2

Quoted for truth. Also cubans are in the miami area for the most part. That's a big fucking state if you hadn't noticed. Not too many cubans in Tampa, Orlando, Tallahasee.

Tempest

Pennsylvania - Has been D the last 4 elections but a swing state the last 2. Given Obama's showing, strong chance he'll lose it... 21EVs

Georgia - Was a swing state in 92 and 96, solid R since. Clinton won it in '92. Obama "could" win it. 15 EVs

Virginia - has been R the last 4 elections, was a swing state 92 and 96 but strong R since. Given even Clinton couldn't push it D, chance for Obama is slim. 13 EVs

Mississippi - Last D win was 76. Since 60 it's been D once and independent 2x.. In other words, this is an R state and hasn't been in play for the last 20 years. Doubtful Obama would win it.. 7 EVs

So winning Georgia won't make up for losing Pennsylvania...

However, Louisiana (9EVs) and Missouri (11EVs) could be in play for Obama. Both were D during Clinton and R since, both being in play last election. Given his showing, Missouri could be tight but I don't see why he couldn't take Louisiana.

The D party is really STUPID using Caucus's since you don't get a sense of how the real voters in those states are feeling.. Any "wins" there indicate squat about how the general election could go.. Iowa (7EVs) is an important one. Was D for 3 terms and was a swing state last time but went R.. Getting that back would be important. Even though Obama won the caucas, I have a feeling he wouldn't win in Nov given he's not getting the white collar vote.

Here's some other ones.
Ohio - D during Clinton, R during Bush with it being in play every term except Clinton's second term. Hillary beat Obama solidly so has a better chance at taking it away from McCain.. 20EVs.

Tennessee - D during Clinton, R during Bush with it being in play every term except the last one. Hillary beat Obama solidly so it could be in play and winnable.. 11EVs.

Arkansas - D during Clinton, R during Bush with it being in play last election. Hillary beat Obama solidly so it could be a win for her.. 6EVs.

Arizona - Clinton won it once but it's been in play the last 2 elections. Hillary beat Obama so it could be in play for her.. 10EVs.

At the end of the day, I see more upside for Clinton as opposed to Obama.. It's hard to tell for some important states though because of those stupid caucus's.

Tempest

Bush... Twice... MI has been D for the last 4 terms.

Socks

So quite seriously, the past 8 years hasn't made many republicans change who they vote for this election?

I find that hard to believe, especially with the economy the way it's going right now. Seems to me if people were riding the fence, they'd be hopping over to the democrats, at least for this election?

gadabout

Keith Oberman is great along with Lou Dobbs. Those are the only two people worth listening to on the news anymore.

Alky

I've heard the opposite that the younger generations want to be able to go back to cuba and visit.

theking

A recession is defined by two consecutive quarters of negative growth. We have not had a single quarter of negative growth. No need to thank me for educating you.

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Take the oil companies out of the equation and what do you get? We all know they are making record profits, but that is about all that is.

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GatorB

Al Gore could even win his home state. Obam won't win TN. I live here I know. Hell where I live which is one of the most democratic counties in the whole state Edwards got more votes than Obama in the primary and he dropped out a week before. Both each got about 15&#37;. I wonder why? Oh yeah mostly white and these rednest don't like blackies. Harold Ford who is whiter than Obama lost a Senate race here again a white guy who everyone knew was corrupt. Obama may have a shot because we have a democrat for gov who also has pretty good rating right now. So who knows.

If the GOP can succesfully convicne these rednecks that Obama will take away their guns like they did with Gore and Kerry Obama has no chance.

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[QUOTE=GatorB;14232931If he is so good at organizing how come he got smoked by 40 points in WV and 30 points in KY? He's not winning WV and hell, even frickin Dukakis won WV.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, are you feigning ignorance on this one? You have no idea why he lost big appalachian states? Really?

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I take it back. You know why they didn't vote for him.

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Mistah Charlie

The only way she gets the nomination is for Obama to get shot. History, as Chris points out in the video, this really could happen. We all KNOW that.

There are so many reasons it was dumb for her to point this out. She will certainly not benefit.

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spanky part 2

You are so smart, that you know more than all the economists. You are such a fucking fag when it comes to protecting the worst president this country will ever see. You and Bush are the only ones who don't think we are in a recession. You can quote all the stats you want on what a recession is, but when inflation is going thru the roof and people are getting laid of in the tens of thousands, call it whatever you want, but we are in a world of shit thanks to your butt buddy Bush.

Let me educate you

Fed sees economy getting worse
http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/21/news...utes/index.htm

Goldman Sachs: Brace For Recession In 2008
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3692917.shtml

Recession 2008: How bad it can get
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/23/news..._bad/index.htm

notoldschool

We have another winner for most ignorant and self important statement of the weekend. U KNOW SHIT.

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theking

A recession is defined by two consecutive quarters of negative growth...and until that happens it is immaterial who says we are in a recession...now isn't it?

BTW...I am not a fan of President Bush and never have been. I did not vote for him either time that he ran for the Presidency.

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GatorB

But he's such a great organaizer. That the excuses his supporter uses to say he can win red states. The same reason why he lost KY and WV is the same reason why he'll lose NC, SC, GA, TN, AL, MS, AR, ID, MT, NE, ND, SD, UT etc etc

GatorB

Tell the vast majority of American who find it ahrder and harder to do even simple thing like buy FOOD and GAS for thier car and pay utility bills that there is nothing wrong with the economy. I can 100% guarantee you if McCain uses your reasoning in his campaign he will lose. Trying to teach a Econ 101 lesson to the voters will backfire. Voters are not in the mood to hear how "techically by definition" there's nothing wrong with the economy.

ever hear of the phrase "preception is reality"?

spanky part 2

Gator, you and I are on the same page here. I always love republicans stating technical reasons why the economy is not in a recession. Mortgage crisis, gas at $4 and climbing, wages declining, an unending war, but things are ok

The king is a fucking tool and a waste of carbon.

Where is that picture of baghdad bob when I need it.

DaddyHalbucks

Many states are in mini-recessions, that is for sure. One of the hardest hit is Rhode Island where the Democrats looted the state.. big time.

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spanky part 2

Once again protect the fucks that did this to the country. All you fucking neocons can die a slow fucking death. Hopefully a painful one too.

I am waiting to hear how the economy in the shitter is Bill Clintons fault. Be a fucking man and admit that you and the rest of us have been fucked by Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Wolfson

theking

Please point to where I said that there is nothing wrong with the economy. The economy is in a positive growth slump but it is not yet into negative growth...and until it is there is not a recession...but it definitely is headed in that direction. The economy has been up and it has been down since the end of the Second World War...and the same cycle will take place over the next 63 years. In a capitalistic society this is inevitable.

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