Originally Posted by bm bradley

what's the photo credit at atk for your stuff?

Originally Posted by Peace

We just solved the issue by paying half and will pay the balance soon.

Originally Posted by MoreMagic

Someone agreeing that this is a very bad sign?

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

This is really sad
Return the content that was shot to their specifications..... Exclusively....Total BS! They ordered the content, you produced it, and they should pay, no excuses!

Well, I hope you work it out, good luck

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

I know they have meantime worked it out, but I still want to comment what you say.
The fact is that content shooters are not all good at managing their business and often spend more money than they earn. In order to make more money, they sometimes shoot additional content with the thought that they are shooting exclusive/pre-approved for xyz program.
So the content is not "ordered" nor pre-approved by the site owner.
I am not saying it is the situation in this case, but it certainly could be.
If that is the case I doubt ATK will take any future shoots from these guys after having been forced to take content they never really ordered...

Originally Posted by BVF

AaronM came in here and said that he delivered a $5,100 package to them...What in the FUCK could possibly cost $5,100?....Seriously....They payin too much for shit over there....

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

I know they have meantime worked it out, but I still want to comment what you say.
The fact is that content shooters are not all good at managing their business and often spend more money than they earn. In order to make more money, they sometimes shoot additional content with the thought that they are shooting exclusive/pre-approved for xyz program.
So the content is not "ordered" nor pre-approved by the site owner.
I am not saying it is the situation in this case, but it certainly could be.
If that is the case I doubt ATK will take any future shoots from these guys after having been forced to take content they never really ordered...

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

I know they have meantime worked it out, but I still want to comment what you say.
The fact is that content shooters are not all good at managing their business and often spend more money than they earn. In order to make more money, they sometimes shoot additional content with the thought that they are shooting exclusive/pre-approved for xyz program.
So the content is not "ordered" nor pre-approved by the site owner.
I am not saying it is the situation in this case, but it certainly could be.
If that is the case I doubt ATK will take any future shoots from these guys after having been forced to take content they never really ordered...

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

...... I doubt ATK will take any future shoots from these guys after having been forced to take content they never really ordered...

Originally Posted by AlienQ

SO now you are trying to inject the suggestion that these content shooters did not deliver content or shot content anyways for ATK and expect to get paid for stuff ATK did not order?

I hardly think that is the case but I do not know the facts exactly.
But I seriously doubt that is what happened here with the thread starters issue.

THe other guys making claims to money owed I have no idea.

Originally Posted by Peace

Guys! I just spoke with Kim and he was very helpful. We just solved the issue by paying half and will pay the balance soon. So all good. The problems was part of my delivery where content was misplaced becuase i labled tapes in only numbers without model names . But now all have been found approved and meter solved. we both realized our errors in communication and will improve our customer service to our customers Kim and ATK his way me and ClassyContent our way. Thanks everyone for the support and help. Attention were needed to the meter and that board helped FOR REAL. So happy end. Hur ra!! Learning each ones lessons and life goes on. GUNNER was good and professional and cool. We spent on ICQ like 2 hours.. Was fun. Back to business. Peace to all GFY and FGY menagment for great FORUM...

Originally Posted by BVF

AaronM came in here and said that he delivered a $5,100 package to them...What in the FUCK could possibly cost $5,100?....Seriously....They payin too much for shit over there....

Originally Posted by BVF

I only care about someone not getting paid......And no...I'm not like you where I can show my face with a ladyboy's cock about to be shoved into my mouth and fondling a little asian boy's balls that have been shrunk from the hormones.

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

They have to pay their models with money, not crack.

Originally Posted by DAMNMAN

$14,000.00 is not that great of a number for a top sponsor's content needs, I've run tabs (that were paid thankfully) way higher than this. It's most likely a lot of work put in by this shooter and he needs his cash ASAP I'm sure.

Originally Posted by simonsyinister

TRUTH
everyone think these BIG BOY companies just have all this cash flowing out of their asses.. let me remind everyone and make it simple..THESE ARE BALLERS
AIG, GM, FORD,LEHMAN BROTHERS,CITIBANK, WACHOVIA...blah blah

These are BIG boys..they are BROKE..yes it can happen in PORN..wake the fuck up and let the the "bait and Switch ' begin..

here's another head's up.. DIVERSIFY ASAP
have money coming from as many different places ASAP

Porn boys have a habit of BAD cash flow and if they've been doing business the same way for the past 5-8 years and paying the same prices..they are dead and just don't know it.

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I highly doubt that ATK (or any other program for that matter) would be forced to pay for content that they never ordered or didn't want...based on a post here at GFY. I don't think Kim would have any issues telling someone he's not paying for something that he didn't order or does not want.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Exactly.

I doubt many will be shooting for ATK for "payment on delivery" in the future. Those who do are welcome. Of course ATK should not be commissioning so much either. Let's cut the BS and talk straight, clearly ATK cannot afford to pay and have been avoiding paying some. Even when pushed they can only do a payment plan.

Whose fault is it they ordered content they could not afford, the buyer or seller?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That post says more about BVF than he realises. $14,000 is nothing to a big sponsor. To a little guy it sounds a lot.

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

They have to pay their models with money, not crack.

Originally Posted by Due

Another version of the story COULD also be that ATK is working on some big projects (mentioned earlier in the thread), the content was misplaced (mentioned earlier in the thread) so the invoices was disregarded (problem with communication, mentioned earlier in this thread), for whatever reason it may be ATK might not have the time to review all the content right away (I'm guessing it is not a small order) so they agree to pay ½ "upfront" rigth away and the rest once they reviewed and approved the content.

We are getting close to year-end, especially bigger companies needs to handle their tax-writeoffs, employees go on vacation, likely there is more than just 1-2 companies that need to revise their structures etc etc etc

Whatever the reason is congrats to the winners and good to see things are being worked out

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i would say stop speculating

this business usually works very easily: shooter sends models, client approves, client says what he wants, shooter shoots and pays model, props, location, makeup etc.
then shooter sends content, client checks, client pays. done.

end of discussion

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i would say stop speculating

this business usually works very easily: shooter sends models, client approves, client says what he wants, shooter shoots and pays model, props, location, makeup etc.
then shooter sends content, client checks, client pays. done.

there are NO reasons not to pay immediately as long as content was shot according to the specifications. because the shooter has already paid everything he needed to pay in advance and needs the money back. plus he needs money to live and to be able to do the next shoots.

end of discussion

Originally Posted by bm bradley

business model for 2008: shooter sends models, client approves, shooter sends invoice, client send funds, shooter produces content, shooter delivers content, done.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i would say stop speculating

this business usually works very easily: shooter sends models, client approves, client says what he wants, shooter shoots and pays model, props, location, makeup etc.
then shooter sends content, client checks, client pays. done.

there are NO reasons not to pay immediately as long as content was shot according to the specifications. because the shooter has already paid everything he needed to pay in advance and needs the money back. plus he needs money to live and to be able to do the next shoots.

end of discussion

Originally Posted by Due

Another version of the story COULD also be that ATK is working on some big projects (mentioned earlier in the thread), the content was misplaced (mentioned earlier in the thread) so the invoices was disregarded (problem with communication, mentioned earlier in this thread), for whatever reason it may be ATK might not have the time to review all the content right away (I'm guessing it is not a small order) so they agree to pay ½ "upfront" rigth away and the rest once they reviewed and approved the content.

We are getting close to year-end, especially bigger companies needs to handle their tax-writeoffs, employees go on vacation, likely there is more than just 1-2 companies that need to revise their structures etc etc etc

Whatever the reason is congrats to the winners and good to see things are being worked out

Originally Posted by BVF

Get off of my nuts...I have no reason to pay 14,000 for content period because I shoot my own....And when it comes to the web, you're even more "little" than me.....

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The last place you will find me is on your nuts. The thought has made me queasy!! .

As for you being bigger than me on the Net, I saw you at a show once and I would say you are bigger than most on the Net.

The Internet is just part of my business.

You leave me alone and I will leave you alone. Deal?

Originally Posted by lens looker

Resolution has tentatively been reached.

I've been speaking with Kim and we have agreed on a payment plan - based on his word, which I'm sure he will keep after having dealt with this public posting, board situation.

I will not get into the details of the agreement as it is a private matter between the two of us. However, I sincerely hope that something can be worked out with all other photographers who have yet to be paid.

As I said to Kim, as well as to some others along the way, this was not a personal attack on him as an individual, by me, but simply a matter of BUSINESS.

I appreciate all the suport I received from GFY members throughout this thread and truly hope that the original posting helps to resolve the situation with the others affected, now that it has been brought to light.

All the best,
Russ T.