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hypedough · 11-14-2008, 02:30 AM

None of them can trust one another, and from how it appears now the top agents aren't struggling.

Paul Markham · 11-14-2008, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

if were talking about a union I got some suggestions...

who the fuck tells these girls what their rates are? ive had girls come in and say well so and so paid me this so I want this ....

we need to band together and set some cheap prices.. and just stick to them... if were all paying cheap not to cheap but not LA rates.. then the girls have no choice to work more... see if a girl is getting 600 for a bj scene vs 300 thast half the work the whore will do.. half the dick she gotta suck... thats not right... you gotta remember these girls are very easily "molded" so when a director pays them 1500 for a normal b/g scene it fucks it for every other producer.. now I know you want to say well that just secures me to shoot her exclusive... fuck that... lets set rates here ill start

300 oral

500- b/g

800 - anal/ bg/ bbg/ gb/ dp/ you name it.... bottom line...

like journeyman in the union you top out at a certian scale well if we all have caps on our scales then everyone knows whats up...

id rather give 100 to the agent than the girl 100 more

Never heard so much rubbish in all my days. Companies pay what the work/model is worth x what they can afford. Your idea is doomed.

hypedough · 11-14-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aico

There's an 'only' missing from that sentence...

It may be missing an "only", but I went from the webmaster at a shitty video company to becoming the head director for one of the biggest gonzo companies in the video industry (from 18yo to 22yo; span of 4 years). 90% of the content you see on the sites under Diabolic's affiliate program was shot by me (photos + video). I don't ever mention that kind of shit, but if someone says something I have to speak up. No hard feelings just saying my

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Back to the topic

Peter Romero · 11-14-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hypedough

It may be missing an "only", but I went from the webmaster at a shitty video company to becoming the head director for one of the biggest gonzo companies in the video industry (from 18yo to 22yo; span of 4 years). 90% of the content you see on the sites under Diabolic's affiliate program was shot by me (photos + video). I don't ever mention that kind of shit, but if someone says something I have to speak up. No hard feelings just saying my

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Back to the topic

I've seen your work... it is top notch!

We had a falling out a while back but just had to say kudos on your content.

Paul Markham · 11-14-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

If you think you cant heard cats -- think again. Its the talent agents that actually do. How do you guys think talent gets to the set on time, with the right clothing and with their IDs ?? Its usually an agent calling and reminding her. Obviously there are a fair percentage of performers that are responsible and do not need the babysitting approach, but without agents, there would be a lot of wasted time and money.

Hate them, love them. It doesnt matter. They are upstream from all the producers. Without talent, nothing gets done in this industry.

Stick to the law because you obviously have no idea about how agents work. Girls not told they have a booking, not told the time, not told where to go, not told we need 2 IDs, not told what they will be doing, not told what they will be paid, not told to confirm the shoot, sending pictures that are 4 years out of date wrong hair color and not tattooed plus with a ton of make up on, taking money from the model and shooter, GETTING GIRLS TO RECRUIT FOR THEM WHILE THEY ARE ON OUR SHOOT OR CASTING and a ton of other things. We get a girl from an agant tand then we deal with her direct. That way we know she will turn up knowing what to do. Yes we still pay the agent.

The last one is my biggest bug with them and had it happen in London, CZ and the US. The girls are paid money to recruit other girls to the agency. So on a casting or shoot the fucking Filofaxes come out while they try to recruit girls to earn money. The problem is when they try to recruit a brand new girl we found and trying to keep exclusive for a while. Now we always tell an agent to send their girls at a set time and only that time. And we only shoot girls together from one agent. No mixing with the girls we find or other agents girls.

Peter Romero · 11-14-2008, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Stick to the law because you obviously have no idea about how agents work. Girls not told they have a booking, not told the time, not told where to go, not told we need 2 IDs, not told what they will be doing, not told what they will be paid, not told to confirm the shoot, sending pictures that are 4 years out of date wrong hair color and not tattooed plus with a ton of make up on, taking money from the model and shooter, GETTING GIRLS TO RECRUIT FOR THEM WHILE THEY ARE ON OUR SHOOT OR CASTING and a ton of other things. We get a girl from an agant tand then we deal with her direct. That way we know she will turn up knowing what to do. Yes we still pay the agent.

The last one is my biggest bug with them and had it happen in London, CZ and the US. The girls are paid money to recruit other girls to the agency. So on a casting or shoot the fucking Filofaxes come out while they try to recruit girls to earn money. The problem is when they try to recruit a brand new girl we found and trying to keep exclusive for a while. Now we always tell an agent to send their girls at a set time and only that time. And we only shoot girls together from one agent. No mixing with the girls we find or other agents girls.

No! You will not think for yourself, you will not scout your own talent, you will ask permission to have you content look diferent than everyone else!

The ALLIANCE has spoken!!!

DWB · 11-14-2008, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Adult industry and organization never go hand in hand and thus they're doomed to failure anyway.

+1

We are unable to gather and organize for anything other than shows, parties and free drinks.

Paul Markham · 11-14-2008, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Romero

No! You will not think for yourself, you will not scout your own talent, you will ask permission to have you content look diferent than everyone else!

The ALLIANCE has spoken!!!

Which is why I have always found my own girls.

Another thing agencies do. They tell the girls to say they have not done any work. Did a casting last week in Prague and a girl turned up and told me she was brand new. Eva had shot her last year. When I told her this she told me the agent told her to say it. OK she could of been lying but it's not the first time I had an agency girl tell me she was brand new only to find out she was shot to death.

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We are unable to gather and organize for anything other than shows, parties and free drinks.

What you will find is the people doing the organising are not pornographers. They are show organisers.

V_RocKs · 11-14-2008, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hypedough

LOL this guy gets deeper and deeper into the "business"! He's vying for that coveted '#1 creepy porno writer' versus Gene Ross.

Said the guy that joined last year.

Paul Markham · 11-14-2008, 05:32 AM

Over lunch, I had Aloo Gobi, it came to me why this scheme will not work. Should of thought about it before.

An agent earns money by getting a model saturated. It's not to the agents benefit to have her unsaturated unless producers will pay twice as much. This applies to the model as well who wants to earn money, as much as possible over the shortest period of time.

So what will the agent do with studios who do not bend to their wishes? Stop sending them girls is all they can do, which will hurt them more than the producers not with them and the models. The models will start looking for work without the agent and producers will start looking for models without the agents.

The agents are a convenience and as soon as they become a problem to producers or girls they will find they're the losers.

Could be the best thing to happen to the business in the Valley.

Grapesoda · 11-14-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Over lunch, I had Aloo Gobi, it came to me why this scheme will not work. Should of thought about it before.

An agent earns money by getting a model saturated. It's not to the agents benefit to have her unsaturated unless producers will pay twice as much. This applies to the model as well who wants to earn money, as much as possible over the shortest period of time.

So what will the agent do with studios who do not bend to their wishes? Stop sending them girls is all they can do, which will hurt them more than the producers not with them and the models. The models will start looking for work without the agent and producers will start looking for models without the agents.

The agents are a convenience and as soon as they become a problem to producers or girls they will find they're the losers.

Could be the best thing to happen to the business in the Valley.

it doesn't really work that way... the truth of the matter is these shooters are cock hounds and will pay out the ass to watch these models fuck right before their very eyes.

Peter Romero · 11-14-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

it doesn't really work that way... the truth of the matter is these shooters are cock hounds and will pay out the ass to watch these models fuck right before their very eyes.

Brian... you're funny today. Finally.

Grapesoda · 11-14-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Romero

Brian... you're funny today. Finally.

this thread delivers

vidvicious · 11-14-2008, 09:47 AM

Bottom line is .. agents need us more then we need them . but they're inflated egos don't let them see this .. regardless if they're in LA or Montreal .. an agent is the same ... they take advantage of the models pulling a persentage off them and off the client .. not doing what they should be, like looking after the models welfare, keeping them clean, making sure they shower, smell nice. Prepare them for they're shoot and make sure they are on time .. I gotta tell ya I've never seen an agent that covered all those points.

in all honesty they're bigger Scum bags then we are .. and We are called pornographers!

Get your girls in Check! . So many times has a model casually slipped me her number, or sent me a myspace/facebook message asking for work ..

My favorite such event was a few years back, when Lanny barbie signed with vivid . she called me in the night to tell me her news and asked me to book her before the news broke. I did just that and booked her for 2 solid weeks. In front of me she called her agent after I told her I need to figure out his cut.. To tell him to FUCK off, he will not see a red cent from the shoots with me, Cus when she asked him to book her, he told her there was nothing out there. Naturally he had just cashed in a nice commission check from Vivid for doing Natha

Don't get me started on Agents .. lol

JP-pornshooter · 11-14-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Yada Yad Yada Yada,,, 6 MONTHS FROMN NOW EVERYONE WILL GO... HUH

I hear and see every day these agents cut throating each other behind each others backs, not to mention who or which ones.. now they wanna start an Alliance. They cant even get wardrobe requirements correct for girl to bring to set half the time, once again no names...

Lisa Ann actually said to me and I quote " You actually expect me to get 3 porn girls to set on time" when i had a 3 girl shoot booked once and every one was an hour late.

and she wants to form an Alliance

Oh and what about the agents " FAVORITE HOES" who no matter what is always in the right no matter how bad she fucks up some producers day.

Oh and im sure they will regulate girls doing escort for 1 hour for $1500 rather than go to work and make $1200 for 5 hour shoot. *I cant tell you how many no shows, mom died, cat sick, car accident, etc ive hear mostly in last 3 months.

Good luck with you Alliance. You want my opinion>

GET YOUR GIRLS TO WORK ON TIME
GET YOUR GIRLS TO WORK WITH CORRECRT WARDROBE

Lets see you all do that for 6 months, then talk Alliance.

Having said all that, I wouldnt want any agents job for the life of me.

I agree with your 100%
and just for the records, one of the very first models i ever shot i booked through a fellow named Joe sumthing from NY.. might have been you

Paul Markham · 11-15-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

it doesn't really work that way... the truth of the matter is these shooters are cock hounds and will pay out the ass to watch these models fuck right before their very eyes.

Rubbish. At the end of the day you have to make a profit. Unless you think content is just a numbers game today.

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Bottom line is .. agents need us more then we need them . but they're inflated egos don't let them see this ..

Spot on. They will soon find they are a convenience we can do without.

If they put up their prices 20% and lose 25% of their business they lose.

bbm · 11-15-2008, 05:07 AM

very interesting

Porno Dan · 11-15-2008, 10:23 PM

I had lunch with one of the big 6 today.

Getting their side of it was interesting to say the least.

Peter Romero · 11-15-2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I had lunch with one of the big 6 today.

Getting their side of it was interesting to say the least.

Oh... do-tell... do-tell...

vidvicious · 11-16-2008, 04:54 PM

I got a shit load of info last night from a couple of my models that just got back from LA ..
seems that for the last few months Shay Love has been fishing in my pool with some help from a local Scumbag Agent that seems to be losing girls faster then he can change underwear.
My girls just got back from LA with a bad taste in they're mouths. First off Shay' images of grandeur is what got them to fork out the Ticket price. She also forces the girls to pay for they're own tests, and for the Id that she's able to get them (2257 requires US IDs), add to it 200$ for rent in a dirty discusting ol house, and 25% off they're Day rate. Oh and this is a good one, shay charges her girls 300$ for missed or canceled shoots.

Couldn't we Ask this of Agents. 25% of any contract we give them exclusively .. 300$ for Canceled or Boched shoots that the agent needs to pay, if they wnat the responsiblity of standardization then they should be prepared to pay for they're own downfalls .. like booking a model that can't be ontime or trusted .. booking a model that shows up dirty, un prepared ..etc ..

if there is no work in LA why is she telling girls that they can make 10 000 + a week ??
This shit is getting out of hand .. I've got yet another of my models (that hasn't even shot her first scene yet) promised dreams of $$$$ if she cums down to LA for miss love .. WTF .. I'll send the girls down myself and collect 25 points ! ..that's outrages for what they do ... 25 Points? and 300$ kill fee charged to the models ??

what can be done about this fishing ?

Grapesoda · 11-16-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vidvicious

I got a shit load of info last night from a couple of my models that just got back from LA ..
seems that for the last few months Shay Love has been fishing in my pool with some help from a local Scumbag Agent that seems to be losing girls faster then he can change underwear.
My girls just got back from LA with a bad taste in they're mouths. First off Shay' images of grandeur is what got them to fork out the Ticket price. She also forces the girls to pay for they're own tests, and for the Id that she's able to get them (2257 requires US IDs), add to it 200$ for rent in a dirty discusting ol house, and 25% off they're Day rate. Oh and this is a good one, shay charges her girls 300$ for missed or canceled shoots.

Couldn't we Ask this of Agents. 25% of any contract we give them exclusively .. 300$ for Canceled or Boched shoots that the agent needs to pay, if they wnat the responsiblity of standardization then they should be prepared to pay for they're own downfalls .. like booking a model that can't be ontime or trusted .. booking a model that shows up dirty, un prepared ..etc ..

if there is no work in LA why is she telling girls that they can make 10 000 + a week ??
This shit is getting out of hand .. I've got yet another of my models (that hasn't even shot her first scene yet) promised dreams of $$$$ if she cums down to LA for miss love .. WTF .. I'll send the girls down myself and collect 25 points ! ..that's outrages for what they do ... 25 Points? and 300$ kill fee charged to the models ??

what can be done about this fishing ?

not sure about your shooting environment, here with a crew of 4 and locations it cost me a heck of a lot more than $300 when a model t-bones a shoot on me $.02

Porno Dan · 11-16-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

not sure about your shooting environment, here with a crew of 4 and locations it cost me a heck of a lot more than $300 when a model t-bones a shoot on me $.02

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Originally Posted by vidvicious

I got a shit load of info last night from a couple of my models that just got back from LA ..
seems that for the last few months Shay Love has been fishing in my pool with some help from a local Scumbag Agent that seems to be losing girls faster then he can change underwear.
My girls just got back from LA with a bad taste in they're mouths. First off Shay' images of grandeur is what got them to fork out the Ticket price. She also forces the girls to pay for they're own tests, and for the Id that she's able to get them (2257 requires US IDs), add to it 200$ for rent in a dirty discusting ol house, and 25% off they're Day rate. Oh and this is a good one, shay charges her girls 300$ for missed or canceled shoots.

Couldn't we Ask this of Agents. 25% of any contract we give them exclusively .. 300$ for Canceled or Boched shoots that the agent needs to pay, if they wnat the responsiblity of standardization then they should be prepared to pay for they're own downfalls .. like booking a model that can't be ontime or trusted .. booking a model that shows up dirty, un prepared ..etc ..

if there is no work in LA why is she telling girls that they can make 10 000 + a week ??
This shit is getting out of hand .. I've got yet another of my models (that hasn't even shot her first scene yet) promised dreams of $$$$ if she cums down to LA for miss love .. WTF .. I'll send the girls down myself and collect 25 points ! ..that's outrages for what they do ... 25 Points? and 300$ kill fee charged to the models ??

what can be done about this fishing ?

Shy isn't behind this, but she is one the 8 agents involved.

Two of the unlicensed agencies are going to the next meeting

It appears that as of now they are coming together as group, we will see how long it lasts.

Grapesoda · 11-16-2008, 08:14 PM

should be interesting

MrBro · 11-16-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vidvicious

I got a shit load of info last night from a couple of my models that just got back from LA ..
seems that for the last few months Shay Love has been fishing in my pool with some help from a local Scumbag Agent that seems to be losing girls faster then he can change underwear.
My girls just got back from LA with a bad taste in they're mouths. First off Shay' images of grandeur is what got them to fork out the Ticket price. She also forces the girls to pay for they're own tests, and for the Id that she's able to get them (2257 requires US IDs), add to it 200$ for rent in a dirty discusting ol house, and 25% off they're Day rate. Oh and this is a good one, shay charges her girls 300$ for missed or canceled shoots.

Couldn't we Ask this of Agents. 25% of any contract we give them exclusively .. 300$ for Canceled or Boched shoots that the agent needs to pay, if they wnat the responsiblity of standardization then they should be prepared to pay for they're own downfalls .. like booking a model that can't be ontime or trusted .. booking a model that shows up dirty, un prepared ..etc ..

if there is no work in LA why is she telling girls that they can make 10 000 + a week ??
This shit is getting out of hand .. I've got yet another of my models (that hasn't even shot her first scene yet) promised dreams of $$$$ if she cums down to LA for miss love .. WTF .. I'll send the girls down myself and collect 25 points ! ..that's outrages for what they do ... 25 Points? and 300$ kill fee charged to the models ??

what can be done about this fishing ?

i will go on the record here and tell you that hardly no one is shooting. with a very few exceptions, the shooting environment is near dead in porn valley. word on the street is one of these companies barely has 6 shoots a day. that's probably what is driving them to get drastic. their money is drying up.

Peter Romero · 11-16-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBro

i will go on the record here and tell you that hardly no one is shooting. with a very few exceptions, the shooting environment is near dead in porn valley. word on the street is one of these companies barely has 6 shoots a day. that's probably what is driving them to get drastic. their money is drying up.

Then they should stop biting the hand that feeds them. I shoot, edit, or promote every single day. They should stop talking and start working. Stop demanding higher wages, and going on strike until we break open the non-exsisting banks. what do they think got us to this point? Every day agents turn down work for girls that can't even afford to get a $120 AIM test. Stand on your laurels long enough... maybe they'll fucking starve.

Get off the cross - we need the wood.

Diversify, Inovate, fuck it, this is porn... PROCREATE!!!

davidd · 11-17-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

300 oral

500- b/g

800 - anal/ bg/ bbg/ gb/ dp/ you name it.... bottom line...

like journeyman in the union you top out at a certian scale well if we all have caps on our scales then everyone knows whats up...

id rather give 100 to the agent than the girl 100 more

Knock $200 off on those prices and then we are talking... and it really depends on the chick to lock in the price... some would be lower.

$100 oral
$300 b/g
$600 anal, etc.

If I am paying for the hair and makeup... that comes off her money.

Either she takes it or she doesn't... there's another one just coming in from Kansas who is younger, tighter, and motivated.

We are entering very tough economic times so the above prices are valid for this month. They might change to an exchange of food stuffs at some point.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by davidd

Knock $200 off on those prices and then we are talking... and it really depends on the chick to lock in the price... some would be lower.

$100 oral
$300 b/g
$600 anal, etc.

If I am paying for the hair and makeup... that comes off her money.

Either she takes it or she doesn't... there's another one just coming in from Kansas who is younger, tighter, and motivated.

We are entering very tough economic times so the above prices are valid for this month. They might change to an exchange of food stuffs at some point.

Had a meeting with a top CZ agent last week and she more or less asked me what I would pay the girls. I'm telling them that unless they are very special and I can get magazine sales out of her the pay rates are similar yours. Except anal is that a day, if she does not like anal she should not do it. In fact if she does not like doing any of the work she best not turn up.

There's another plus from the slowdown. I also told her that no one is buying the fake moaning and groaning these girls are doing. So they put in a real and full blooded performance or they don't stay, in fact they don't need to turn up. She agreed that many people prefer the real amateur stuff to what we were producing and we made sense to stipulate good performances.

And this is what will bring down these agents plans. The guy with the money is in charge, the guy with the girls is not. Unless the girl is so special she's the 1 in 100. And then Wicked or someone like them will sign her.

amacontent · 11-17-2008, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by davidd

Knock $200 off on those prices and then we are talking... and it really depends on the chick to lock in the price... some would be lower.

$100 oral
$300 b/g
$600 anal, etc.

If I am paying for the hair and makeup... that comes off her money.

Either she takes it or she doesn't... there's another one just coming in from Kansas who is younger, tighter, and motivated.

We are entering very tough economic times so the above prices are valid for this month. They might change to an exchange of food stuffs at some point.

There also comes the pont of being a cheap fuck also. Those prices will work for crack whores but not for the girls who are booked 4 - 5 days a week. But then again some of us must settle for the 4 cylinder compact car.

davidd · 11-17-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Had a meeting with a top CZ agent last week and she more or less asked me what I would pay the girls. I'm telling them that unless they are very special and I can get magazine sales out of her the pay rates are similar yours. Except anal is that a day, if she does not like anal she should not do it. In fact if she does not like doing any of the work she best not turn up.

There's another plus from the slowdown. I also told her that no one is buying the fake moaning and groaning these girls are doing. So they put in a real and full blooded performance or they don't stay, in fact they don't need to turn up. She agreed that many people prefer the real amateur stuff to what we were producing and we made sense to stipulate good performances.

And this is what will bring down these agents plans. The guy with the money is in charge, the guy with the girls is not. Unless the girl is so special she's the 1 in 100. And then Wicked or someone like them will sign her.

Exactly... If the chick is special she can command better money. 3 holes and pulse does not mean you should be paid top dollar. You have a mouth, this man over here a penis, and I have $100... The problem is that the huge economic bubble, that is now imploding, shot prices so high that people actually think $100 for a blow job is being a "cheap fuck". Fuck that...

The fake moaning and theatrics is never tolerated. I will throw the bitch out of the room for stunts like that. I love the ones that moan on insertion. Come on.

As to the 1 in 1000... They are gobbled up by SugarDaddy's long before Wicked ;) You are correct on the 1 in 100. This whole topic goes to new levels in your part of the world... Great genes.

davidd · 11-17-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

There also comes the pont of being a cheap fuck also. Those prices will work for crack whores but not for the girls who are booked 4 - 5 days a week. But then again some of us must settle for the 4 cylinder compact car.

...and some of us own exotics that are parked in the garages of our mansion.

You need to adjust your thinking to 2008 and the market conditions. We are in a deflationary spiral... that is taking all asset prices to 1997 levels. Wages will be there too.

Those girls being booked 4 to 5 times a week fall under the "special" category referred to by Paul above.... but even they can not survive when the macro picture is falling apart. For example, a local tile guy was laying marble at $15 sq ft + materials during the housing boom. He will now lay it for $5 sq ft... as the market conditions have changed, he needs to eat, and I may or may not want to lay the marble. The ying and yang of economic cycles...

If you are still paying what you paid in 2004-2006 for talent in 2008 you need to examine the situation more closely.

Paul Markham · 11-17-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

There also comes the pont of being a cheap fuck also. Those prices will work for crack whores but not for the girls who are booked 4 - 5 days a week. But then again some of us must settle for the 4 cylinder compact car.

The list of girls working 4-5 days a week now is very short. And as you point out we're not always on their list.

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Exactly... If the chick is special she can command better money.

Exactly. A magazine shoot day is still worth $6,000 to $10,000 for the day and no worries paying out for those girls. In fact you have to pay out for them before anyone else does.

She needs to be an 8 to 10, out of 1 to 10. Brand new and for us teen looking. Not seen one for a long time. Girls are getting very wary of men holding camera these days. Or done a ton of work in the first fortnight.

Peter Romero · 11-17-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

There also comes the pont of being a cheap fuck also. Those prices will work for crack whores but not for the girls who are booked 4 - 5 days a week. But then again some of us must settle for the 4 cylinder compact car.

Who is working 4-5 days a week? I need names please. His prices are pretty close... some a little low, some a little high. See any crack whore looking girls on www.POVPorn.com ??? I won't even meet a girl lest she's special. I have enough content for a year, I'd rather just plant another Avacado tree.

Grapesoda · 11-17-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Romero

Who is working 4-5 days a week? I need names please. His prices are pretty close... some a little low, some a little high. See any crack whore looking girls on www.POVPorn.com ??? I won't even meet a girl lest she's special. I have enough content for a year, I'd rather just plant another Avacado tree.

I tried to hire a model from goldstar the other day for a solo. no way... she works everyday and gets $1500 per scene

cherrylula · 11-17-2008, 09:23 AM

what an interesting thread.

times changing that is for sure.

vidvicious · 11-17-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by davidd

Knock $200 off on those prices and then we are talking... and it really depends on the chick to lock in the price... some would be lower.

$100 oral
$300 b/g
$600 anal, etc.

If I am paying for the hair and makeup... that comes off her money.

Either she takes it or she doesn't... there's another one just coming in from Kansas who is younger, tighter, and motivated.

We are entering very tough economic times so the above prices are valid for this month. They might change to an exchange of food stuffs at some point.

Damn that's a four year old price list !

Would be nice to get girls fo rthat price, But I work on repeat bussiness from my girls. they stick to me because I pay fair.

As for all the crap in LA .. if there is such a shortage of work why are they recruiting girls out of country as I wrote earlier .. all it does is leave the girls with a bad taste from an expensive trip .. and in the end I'm the one that pays when the girls are turned off of shooting ... I have lost Gems in the past due to asshole producers that lyed and cheated the girls to doing cheap scenes (Get the girlto fly out to them on they;re own dime, then change all the bookings to reflect cheapper shoots, not giving the girls a chance to cancel if she wnats to get her money back form forkingout all the dough for the trip)

Grapesoda · 11-17-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by vidvicious

Damn that's a four year old price list !

Would be nice to get girls fo rthat price, But I work on repeat bussiness from my girls. they stick to me because I pay fair.

As for all the crap in LA .. if there is such a shortage of work why are they recruiting girls out of country as I wrote earlier .. all it does is leave the girls with a bad taste from an expensive trip .. and in the end I'm the one that pays when the girls are turned off of shooting ... I have lost Gems in the past due to asshole producers that lyed and cheated the girls to doing cheap scenes (Get the girlto fly out to them on they;re own dime, then change all the bookings to reflect cheapper shoots, not giving the girls a chance to cancel if she wnats to get her money back form forkingout all the dough for the trip)

don't you know? as a reputable shooters we pick up the crap from all the bullshit in the industry. $02

Jimmy Lifestyles · 11-17-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I had lunch with one of the big 6 today.

Getting their side of it was interesting to say the least.

I spoke at length with one of the "Big 3" last night. According to them, they and another one of the top agents want nothing to do with this whole thing. That the agent that pulled this meeting together is in panic mode and they went along to appease and to just see what was up. But according to them, they are out for themselves, this is why they all have seperate agencies in the first place, for their own independence and idealistic gain. So basically they could care less and have more of a "oh, your drowning? sorry, sucks for you" attitude towards the agent that wants this organization, and any other agency out there.

Now i don't know if that was the same attitude that your source gave you, but common sense, an understanding what is the ultimate goal of this biz, this discussion, and greed and self gain, says that this coalition will never come together. If it does, it will either won't last or be taken seriously. Its simple, there will always be agents who will want our money.

Example, if Jimmy Lifestyles was caught "breaking the rules" by Alisttalent, and they reported it to the coalition, does anyone really think the other agencies would call and cancel their bookings with me that they had set? That i, or any other producer, would be completely blacklisted by all other agencies cuz of incidents with others? That type9 would call me and say, "Hey Jimmy, i know we have 10 plus bookings with you this month, at least 3-4 a week, but you booked Brianna Beach (whom you've known long before she was with AList), around their back, so we are gonna have to go ahead and cancel all our bookings with you from now on because of the "coalition" we have made with the other agencies", lol. Come on, not gonna happen. So really, no worries, business as usual.

Peter Romero · 11-17-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

I tried to hire a model from goldstar the other day for a solo. no way... she works everyday and gets $1500 per scene

LOL!!! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Every day... gawd... why do we even have these business discussions about not shooting. I guess we are out of the loop... hangers on, don't know the industry... wait... WE ARE THE INDUSTRY!!! I call bullshit on her agent, or she is the ONLY ONE working that much cause she's so fuckin hot she'll sell porn like no other.

F-U-Jimmy · 11-17-2008, 10:03 PM

If a model is booked every day for $1500.00 i say good luck to her. Im getting agencies send out e-mails with model at discounted rates which shows enterprise in these tough times. Better to work for a lower rate than not to work at all ?

Mutt · 11-17-2008, 10:47 PM

shooters owe agents/pimps nothing - almost all the girls have myspace pages, the go on sexyjobs - book them directly at a negotiated price between producer and talent.

none of these agents are true agents - they're pimps. a judge will laugh them out of court if they try to sue a girl for breaking whatever contract they have these girls sign.

amacontent · 11-18-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Lifestyles

I spoke at length with one of the "Big 3" last night. According to them, they and another one of the top agents want nothing to do with this whole thing. That the agent that pulled this meeting together is in panic mode and they went along to appease and to just see what was up. But according to them, they are out for themselves, this is why they all have seperate agencies in the first place, for their own independence and idealistic gain. So basically they could care less and have more of a "oh, your drowning? sorry, sucks for you" attitude towards the agent that wants this organization, and any other agency out there.

Now i don't know if that was the same attitude that your source gave you, but common sense, an understanding what is the ultimate goal of this biz, this discussion, and greed and self gain, says that this coalition will never come together. If it does, it will either won't last or be taken seriously. Its simple, there will always be agents who will want our money.

Example, if Jimmy Lifestyles was caught "breaking the rules" by Alisttalent, and they reported it to the coalition, does anyone really think the other agencies would call and cancel their bookings with me that they had set? That i, or any other producer, would be completely blacklisted by all other agencies cuz of incidents with others? That type9 would call me and say, "Hey Jimmy, i know we have 10 plus bookings with you this month, at least 3-4 a week, but you booked Brianna Beach (whom you've known long before she was with AList), around their back, so we are gonna have to go ahead and cancel all our bookings with you from now on because of the "coalition" we have made with the other agencies", lol. Come on, not gonna happen. So really, no worries, business as usual.

Well said jimbo.

sexandcash · 11-18-2008, 01:27 AM

wow... wild stuff

11-14-2008, 02:30 AM	#101
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11-14-2008, 05:32 AM	#110
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Over lunch, I had Aloo Gobi, it came to me why this scheme will not work. Should of thought about it before. An agent earns money by getting a model saturated. It's not to the agents benefit to have her unsaturated unless producers will pay twice as much. This applies to the model as well who wants to earn money, as much as possible over the shortest period of time. So what will the agent do with studios who do not bend to their wishes? Stop sending them girls is all they can do, which will hurt them more than the producers not with them and the models. The models will start looking for work without the agent and producers will start looking for models without the agents. The agents are a convenience and as soon as they become a problem to producers or girls they will find they're the losers. Could be the best thing to happen to the business in the Valley. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-14-2008, 09:47 AM	#114
vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	Bottom line is .. agents need us more then we need them . but they're inflated egos don't let them see this .. regardless if they're in LA or Montreal .. an agent is the same ... they take advantage of the models pulling a persentage off them and off the client .. not doing what they should be, like looking after the models welfare, keeping them clean, making sure they shower, smell nice. Prepare them for they're shoot and make sure they are on time .. I gotta tell ya I've never seen an agent that covered all those points. in all honesty they're bigger Scum bags then we are .. and We are called pornographers! Get your girls in Check! . So many times has a model casually slipped me her number, or sent me a myspace/facebook message asking for work .. My favorite such event was a few years back, when Lanny barbie signed with vivid . she called me in the night to tell me her news and asked me to book her before the news broke. I did just that and booked her for 2 solid weeks. In front of me she called her agent after I told her I need to figure out his cut.. To tell him to FUCK off, he will not see a red cent from the shoots with me, Cus when she asked him to book her, he told her there was nothing out there. Naturally he had just cashed in a nice commission check from Vivid for doing Natha Don't get me started on Agents .. lol __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist."

11-15-2008, 10:23 PM	#118
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11-16-2008, 04:54 PM	#120
vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	I got a shit load of info last night from a couple of my models that just got back from LA .. seems that for the last few months Shay Love has been fishing in my pool with some help from a local Scumbag Agent that seems to be losing girls faster then he can change underwear. My girls just got back from LA with a bad taste in they're mouths. First off Shay' images of grandeur is what got them to fork out the Ticket price. She also forces the girls to pay for they're own tests, and for the Id that she's able to get them (2257 requires US IDs), add to it 200$ for rent in a dirty discusting ol house, and 25% off they're Day rate. Oh and this is a good one, shay charges her girls 300$ for missed or canceled shoots. Couldn't we Ask this of Agents. 25% of any contract we give them exclusively .. 300$ for Canceled or Boched shoots that the agent needs to pay, if they wnat the responsiblity of standardization then they should be prepared to pay for they're own downfalls .. like booking a model that can't be ontime or trusted .. booking a model that shows up dirty, un prepared ..etc .. if there is no work in LA why is she telling girls that they can make 10 000 + a week ?? This shit is getting out of hand .. I've got yet another of my models (that hasn't even shot her first scene yet) promised dreams of $$$$ if she cums down to LA for miss love .. WTF .. I'll send the girls down myself and collect 25 points ! ..that's outrages for what they do ... 25 Points? and 300$ kill fee charged to the models ?? what can be done about this fishing ? __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist."

11-15-2008, 05:07 AM	#117
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11-16-2008, 08:14 PM	#123
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11-17-2008, 09:23 AM	#134
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	what an interesting thread. times changing that is for sure.

11-17-2008, 10:03 PM	#139
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11-17-2008, 10:47 PM	#140
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	shooters owe agents/pimps nothing - almost all the girls have myspace pages, the go on sexyjobs - book them directly at a negotiated price between producer and talent. none of these agents are true agents - they're pimps. a judge will laugh them out of court if they try to sue a girl for breaking whatever contract they have these girls sign. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-18-2008, 01:27 AM	#142
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