Originally Posted by Darkland

All this talk that has been occupying the board lately about the economic crisis, nafta, or any other government conspiracy accomplishes nothing other than to occupy your time while things fall apart around you.

Now I am all for a good debate, but what is the point of debating and bickering and cringing behind your keyboards and waiting for the world to end?

If you see something wrong in the world around you, YOUR world, then I don't think sniveling on a board is going to change anything. It is almost as bad as ignoring the problems altogether. If you see something in the world around you and you don't lift a finger to actually try to change it, then what is the point of even complaining about it or worrying about it because as you point out, it is here and it is happening.

And I know some will say, but I AM doing something, I am spreading the word... Well, you're not. All you are doing is trying to get more people to see things the way you do, but fail to give them the tools required to do anything with that info other than to do what you just did. Paint more scary pictures to try and scare the shit out of people.

Fear mongering comes in many forms, but the dibilitating effects always amount to the same. And that is inaction or outright disbelief.

Everyone already knows the world is a scary place and if it is as bad as you think it is, and you only offer prognostic fear instead of real solutions for change you are simply rushing the process of decay.

The worst of these offenders is the "Conspiracy Theorist" who heaps up large doses of fear with no real solutions. In a thesis, I proposed that their efforts might actually be self defeating. Here is an excerpt:

"What if conspiracy theories are actually planted information, using the theorist as a tool for dissemination and disaccreditation? The conspiracy, while inherently true, is presented in such a manner as to allow the average citizen to dismiss it out of hand by the absurdity of its nature and the people who claim it to be true.

Most conspiracy theorists have only the short sighted focus of the problem at hand, or the end result of the conspiracy. Just as a doctor merely treats the symptom rather than the cause, a conspiracy theorist only draws a conclusion, never a solution...."

If you don't like the picture before you, don't bitch about, simply change it.

Originally Posted by iMind

I do think we have the right to discuss all this before taking action though, We are informing people, and eventually ( I hope not too late ) the people will come together and take back what is rightfully theirs.

Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

recent photo of gfy troops armed and ready for action

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I think a civil war is the wrong word. Revolution sounds better. But I don't think it would involve neighbor vs neighbor, state vs state, or Republican vs Democrat. I think it would be a revolt on those who have profited off the desctruction of our economy. The guys who ran these companies, took home hundreds of millions, and left us with the tab. Maybe storming a few of their mansions with pitchforks and mobs wouldn't be such a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Darkland

I never said that you didn't have that right and sorry if it came off that way. My point was talk without action is pointless.

I also disagree with your eagerness to jump straight to violence as the means to a solution. There are many avenues in which to begin and exhaust before that becomes a viable solution.

Start emailing your representatives and congresspersons in your area. Start demanding changes. Get everyone you know to do it and everyone THEY know to do it. Start an initiative, start demonstrating and protesting.

There are MANY things you can do right now and tomorrow.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I think a civil war is the wrong word. Revolution sounds better. But I don't think it would involve neighbor vs neighbor, state vs state, or Republican vs Democrat. I think it would be a revolt on those who have profited off the desctruction of our economy.

Originally Posted by iMind

I agree with what you are saying, however .. how are we gonna do something until we discuss things and establish whether there is a actually a real threat?

if we even discuss what's going on, if it doesn't represent the pretty pictures like Malicious biz was posting we're called crazy and told to shut up, ridiculed by those too lazy to have a look around before just believing everything is okay.

The people need to develop an anger, and say collectively ( or at least as somewhat of a group ) that we are going to take action..

Do you suggest that one of us storms the white house? I know how that will end

"A Conspiracy freak was shot while trying to storm Washington today, Story at 11"

And yeah, perhaps we need a few 1 man armies dying in order to show the people that their thoughts are NOT crazy, and the US is FUCKED , and that we can do something if we band together and take back the country.

trust me, I know what you're saying .. everyone that I've spoken to offline about such things already thinks I'm crazy ( which could ultimately lead to them thinking these things are my crazy imagination ) .. however they don't think I'm crazy about this at all.

You're gonna see some people start to take action as anger builds.. blood shed is going to happen, I think at this point it's inevitable.

I do think we have the right to discuss all this before taking action though, We are informing people, and eventually ( I hope not too late ) the people will come together and take back what is rightfully theirs.

The solution is an overthrowing of these theives in congress, and taking things back.
Re-establishing the US on the same principals it was developed on, the constitution.. do you suggest I head down there by myself and do this?

People are about to begin protesting in the streets, these actions by congress and the US gov WILL bring action, the question is when.

Originally Posted by teg0

fail agian

Originally Posted by iMind

Okay, I think we're agreeing :D

IMO We're gonna see protesting and riots VERY soon, but the problem I'm having ( and it shows in this thread ) is that the vast majority of people either people don't care, or are too lazy to do anything .. or just don't see anything wrong ( gotta wonder how)

I've sat here arguing with everyone that something is indeed fucked up, but noone seems to see it,
They seem to think we're "Above" something like what I'm describing, and that the goverment is our best buddy.

People need to pull their heads out of their asses and look around before they can do anything.

I have been writing letters, and asking questions offline as well as my maniacle postings here.

My fear is that the amount of people doing so, is so miniscule that the gov is gonna steamroll right over us all.

Originally Posted by Darkland

My thoughts as well... and it would give the powers that be the perfect excuse to clamp down with Martial Law.

Originally Posted by spacedog

That simple act alone would be the spark that ignites the fire within the American people causing them to rise up and seek new leadership.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

"Re-establishing the US on the same principals it was developed on, the constitution."

What principles are different in your mind. We were establishded as a Republic with elected representatives. To this day every two years members of the house are voted in or out, every four years our President is voted in or out, every six years members of the Senate are voted in or out. The congress still must advise and consent over the selection of Federal Judges including the Supreme Court. Citizens still have the right to petition their Representatives, the right to assemble and hold a peaceful protest. Freedom of speech and press etc. Please specify what principals are different today then they have been since the constitution was established?

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.
The Patriot Act walks all over the constitution.
The Law Of the Sea Treaty would eliminate the constitution
The NAU would eliminate the constitution.

Just a few for you play with.

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.
The Patriot Act walks all over the constitution.
The Law Of the Sea Treaty would eliminate the constitution
The NAU would eliminate the constitution.

Just a few for you play with.

Originally Posted by iMind

Thanks, I'm working now, so ..I don't have time to spoon feed these guys all by myself.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Have you ever thought that since the majority of the people do not seem to share your views that it may mean your thinking may not be correct thinking and that you should revisit your thinking as being skewed.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Or they can also rise up and call for impeacment of all elected officials

Originally Posted by iMind

Yes, I have thought so..
Many many many many times..

I HOPE TO GOD MY VIEWS ARE SKEWED.

Now show me why they are, and how this is gonna turn out differently than I picture.
That's the idea of this thread, I'm not here to shove my views down throats.

I'm here to debate them, so maybe.. I can go to bed and think ..
"Wow, I'm wrong, and everythign WILL be okay."

And don't provide some answer like
" they wouldn't do that, cause we're such a peaceful planet and everything is love and roses, the government is our friends, why would they harm us! "

That's the typical answer, that " they just wouldn't do that " haha .. like the US government isn't killing people and starving them all over the globe. You know that since 911 .. the US is considered fair game as a " battle ground " ?

What I see around me, and what's going on isn't proving me wrong.

Originally Posted by spacedog

That simple act alone would be the spark that ignites the fire within the American people causing them to rise up and seek new leadership.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

What, specifically, do you think you see around you and what do you think is going on, that has not been going on, in one form or another, throughout our history?

Originally Posted by iMind

We only do that when a blowjob is part of the story.

Murder, theft, starvation, who cares

Originally Posted by iMind

When did I say that it hasn't been going on throughout history?

My whole point is that history repeats itself..
We are on the verge of the great depression 2 point 0 and noone even thinks it's possible.

"they won't let it go to depression" is the common response.. from ignorant people that don't realise the depression is the solution, so they are PUSHING IT FURTHER.

Just like if the " big 3 " go tits up, it gives them a chance to rewrite things...
Another great depression would eventually fix things ( years in the future )
The dollar needs to be deflated.

Originally Posted by iMind

Are you ready to take YOUR country back?

discuss

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Yes, it does seem that history does have a way of repeating itself, and even the ones in power that are attempting to prevent a depression fully admit that they do not know if what they are doing will prevent a depression. We are far from being in a depression (25 % unemployment compared to 7% or less at this point) but who knows, it is certainly possible that another depression may occur before all is said and done. We recovered from the previous depression and I suspect we will again, if one occurs.

Originally Posted by iMind

ooops .. I see you said " all elected " now ..

but still, my point is valid.

Clinton gets his dick sucked and it was ALL OVER media , day in and day out.

Bush pretty much drives the country into the ground and the only ones saying anything are the "nutcases" like me..

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

"Bush pretty much drives the country into the ground and the only ones saying anything are the "nutcases" like me."

I think the entire nation is saying something and has been saying something for quite a long time, as President Bush (if I am not mistaken) has the lowest percentage of approval that any President has ever had since they have been taking polls. In addition the Republican Party just had a pretty devastating defeat in the Executive as well as the Congressional branches of government. His administrations populartity, as well as congress has been in the news daily for the past few years and if anything is in the news even more so now, so I don't think you "nutcases" are they only ones saying anthing.

Originally Posted by iMind

People had actual assets back then man,
There were no credit cards, there weren't 2nd and third mortgages.
People didn't LIVE off their credit.
The dollar was actually worth something in gold.

This will be x2 easy.

Sure we recovered from the first, but how many millions died.. just so washington could sort out the money ..

I'm saying it's "around the corner"... it's not the great depression today.
but it's sure starting to look like the beginnings of one, no?

as for the feds fixing it .. You don't fix a bubble by printing more cash and inflating it more, You deflate the cash, increase interest rates and spend conservatively.

They are printing more money they don't have, inflating the dollar more, and spending more than ever.. please tell me how that fixes it.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

So maybe what is being done will not fix it. Economists debate this daily. I did not major in economics when I attended college so I do not have any expertise at all to offer about the economy, so I will let the economists and the pwoers that be debate it. What I do know is in my lifetime the economy has been in flux, sometimes it is better than at other times. I am not a happy camper because, currently I have lost more than 50% of my investments, but I also have been buying stock in which I have had the greatest losses because I think the economy will recover over a period of time and the market will go up to a point exceeding where it was, which was around 14,000.

Originally Posted by iMind

Okay, You're right ..
We've said a few things .. bitched about him.

He Lied about WMD to go to war, which is still going on.
Clinton lied about a BJ that lasted 5 minutes maybe..

You tell me which got more media coverage and caused more drama?

And don't say, well clinton was under oath.
As far as I'm concerned .. if you're standing in front of the people that elected you, during a national address.. to lie then is just the same.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

"As far as you are concerned" does not equal a violation of Criminal Law, and perjury does.

Originally Posted by iMind

Well hey, if you think it's all good to address the nation with lies, it goes to show why the country is fucked.

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Actually he did hold his hand on the bible and swear "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." The breaking of such an oath is considered an act of treason or high crime.

Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Mr. McVeigh, your bomb is ready.


Fear + Paranoia + Misinformation + Kooks Like This = Dangerous situation

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Could it be that niether of the powers think they have enough evidence with which they could prosecute an Impeachment or a Criminal case?

Originally Posted by iMind

could it be because they have seen many presidents and single one of them have lied about one thing or another including egaging our military, and since they suspected that every President since and including George Washinton has lied to the nation about one thing or another they kind of used to it. It seems to be a part of our system of governance

If ya get a blowjob tho.. watch out!

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

The members of the Supreme Court decide what is constitutional and what is not constitutional when they are petioned to do so. In the case of the Patriot Act, just as many other laws, when petitioned to do so they have knoced down different parts of the Patriot Act. We have a system with built in checks and balances and eventually will knock down what is determined to be unconstitutional.

The Federal Reserve will become unconstitutional when the Supreme Court rules that it is and not when some unauthorized entity says it is. The same applies to the others named.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

It was not a blowjob that was the problem, it was violating Criminal Law by perjuring himself in a Court of law, the Paula Jones civil law suit against President Clinton. The Republican controlled House had a clear cut case against him, provided free and clear by President Clinton, so they impeached him. The Senate did not convict him, but he was convicted in Court, had to pay a heavy fine and lost his license to practice law.

Originally Posted by iMind

I'm sorry .. if he lied about something IN RELATION TO THE FUCKING COUNTRY I'd care..
he got his dick sucked.

He lied about it, just like 90% of us would if our wife was in the room!

This can not be compared to bush no matter how many times you say purgery.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

The members of the Supreme Court decide what is constitutional and what is not constitutional when they are petioned to do so.

Originally Posted by iMind

To be clear, I don't think Clinton should've lied .. or was in the "right" to lie..

but I can't believe we moved to impeach a president over that, Compared to the things Bush's administration has done.

it just goes to show how stupid we all are.. We'll pay attention if the story includes a cock, otherwise, who gives a shit.

They are both crooked, and lots of dirty shit went on under Clintons admin aswell..

Originally Posted by Martin

The Militias in the US are having record counts of people wanting to join. Also gun sales are at a all time high too. I'm starting to think that something is in the pipe line.