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- Jesus Christ - · 11-26-2008, 01:08 AM

100 revolutionaries.

“Revolution is not a dinner party, not an essay, nor a painting, nor a piece of embroidery; it cannot be advanced softly, gradually, carefully, considerately, respectfully, politely, plainly and modestly.” -Mao Tse-Tung

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

*cough*

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

I suppose you have a point to make, but I am not sure what it is, as the Constitution and its three branches of government are still in place as are the checks and balances the three branches represent and has been since the beginning.

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- Jesus Christ - · 11-26-2008, 01:15 AM

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I suppose you have a point to make, but I am not sure what it is

Revolution is NEVER a constitutional debate. Go up 1 dir level.

If you still don't understand, its not my job to pry your head out of your ass.

2012 · 11-26-2008, 01:17 AM

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iMind · 11-26-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fartfly

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dude, we get that you don't care..
Why not stick your videos in another thread?

2012 · 11-26-2008, 01:22 AM

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2012 · 11-26-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by iMind

dude, we get that you don't care..
Why not stick your videos in another thread?

My bad. I thought I was in this one.

This thread is fucked

iMind · 11-26-2008, 01:23 AM

k thanks

fuck.. it's sad that you people don't give a shit.

Sexxxy Sites · 11-26-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

Revolution is NEVER a constitutional debate. Go up 1 dir level.

If you still don't understand, its not my job to pry your head out of your ass.

There is not a need for revoulution as we had a revolution and estabished our independence, a constitution, three braches of government with built in checks and balances, and we still have the same independence, constitution, and three branches of government with built in checks and balances that we have always had. The very same system of governance we have always had.

If you have a tought about how we can replace our system of governance with a better system of governance then you of course are entitled to have that thought.

2012 · 11-26-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by iMind

k thanks

fuck.. it's sad that you people don't give a shit.

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- Jesus Christ - · 11-26-2008, 01:39 AM

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There is not a need for revoulution as we had a revolution and estabished our independence, a constitution, three braches of government with built in checks and balances, and we still have the same independence, constitution, and three branches of government with built in checks and balances that we have always had. The very same system of governance we have always had.

If you have a thought about how we can replace our system of governance with a better system of governance then you of course are entitled to have that thought.

That is simply a recap of your views and unrelated to what I said about the context of the discussion.

You should be careful when you use the word "always".

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Originally Posted by iMind

k thanks

fuck.. it's sad that you people don't give a shit.

People must focus on in thier daily lives.

They do not have time to sit around wondeirng about the government. It is sad, but it is not that they don't give a shit.

There is no "YOU PEOPLE". There is only us.

iMind · 11-26-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

People must focus on in their daily lives.

They do not have time to sit around wondering about the government. It is sad, but it is not that they don't give a shit.

There is no "YOU PEOPLE". There is only us.

was referring to the people in this thread specifically that don't care .. but I get your point.

mikesinner · 11-26-2008, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by iMind

Which could lead to a revolt, no?

I thought there was a right to bare arms to protect the people from a tyranous goverment?

The right to bare arms was established so that the average citizen would be armed to help beat back the British invaders. That was the one and only reason it was put into the constitution. Without it we would still be subjects of the crown.

You can see what it has done to our society in modern times.

iMind · 11-26-2008, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner

The right to bare arms was established so that the average citizen would be armed to help beat back the British invaders. That was the one and only reason it was put into the constitution. Without it we would still be subjects of the crown.

You can see what it has done to our society in modern times.

"Codification of the right to keep and bare arms into the Bill of Rights was influenced by a fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia, since history had shown taking away the people's arms and making it an offense for people to keep them was the way tyrants eliminated resistance to suppression of political opponents."

iMind · 11-26-2008, 03:37 AM

The Constitution (The United States Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787 ) was written AFTER the Declaration of independance (IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776).
It had nothing to do with the British, the US was already free from British power.

jwerd · 11-26-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkland

All this talk that has been occupying the board lately about the economic crisis, nafta, or any other government conspiracy accomplishes nothing other than to occupy your time while things fall apart around you.

Now I am all for a good debate, but what is the point of debating and bickering and cringing behind your keyboards and waiting for the world to end?

If you see something wrong in the world around you, YOUR world, then I don't think sniveling on a board is going to change anything. It is almost as bad as ignoring the problems altogether. If you see something in the world around you and you don't lift a finger to actually try to change it, then what is the point of even complaining about it or worrying about it because as you point out, it is here and it is happening.

And I know some will say, but I AM doing something, I am spreading the word... Well, you're not. All you are doing is trying to get more people to see things the way you do, but fail to give them the tools required to do anything with that info other than to do what you just did. Paint more scary pictures to try and scare the shit out of people.

Fear mongering comes in many forms, but the dibilitating effects always amount to the same. And that is inaction or outright disbelief.

Everyone already knows the world is a scary place and if it is as bad as you think it is, and you only offer prognostic fear instead of real solutions for change you are simply rushing the process of decay.

The worst of these offenders is the "Conspiracy Theorist" who heaps up large doses of fear with no real solutions. In a thesis, I proposed that their efforts might actually be self defeating. Here is an excerpt:

"What if conspiracy theories are actually planted information, using the theorist as a tool for dissemination and disaccreditation? The conspiracy, while inherently true, is presented in such a manner as to allow the average citizen to dismiss it out of hand by the absurdity of its nature and the people who claim it to be true.

Most conspiracy theorists have only the short sighted focus of the problem at hand, or the end result of the conspiracy. Just as a doctor merely treats the symptom rather than the cause, a conspiracy theorist only draws a conclusion, never a solution...."

If you don't like the picture before you, don't bitch about, simply change it.

We are so desynthesized now. When we see a blast on TV, or we hear about more people having unfair trials it's just like water off our backs. People are starting to just accept that we are going to have a shitty economy, unemployment is going to continue to sky rocket, and if they hear any truth behind the Fed, they still want to bitch about what Bush did and not what Obama will continue to do. Bickering on a board isn't helpful at the least, but I did ask for solutions. I want to know what WE can do now. Not what we could do 100 years from now.

I think the peaceful way we are doing things now and waking more people up to this is working, but whether or not it is quick enough is another story. People are just happy that we've changed from one puppet to another, forgetting that this puppet also supports more of the same policies of Bush, and now with a house, congress and senate majority dems he's gonna get shit done Bush couldn't. I have no faith in our system anymore and I'm tired of everyone talking about our "personal savior".

We've been played yet again, but if we look around, we aren't just taking it while lying down anymore. We are making progress peacefully, but we are all sheep as well, waiting for a solution that we can all agree on. That's the problem I see today.

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Vendot · 11-26-2008, 12:46 PM

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