Who Started Paying Models These Ridiculous Rates?! - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Robbie · 12-05-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

funny that you complain and in the same post have the solution (myspace girls).. must not work well, otherwise you weren't crying over it. Pay them their rates after all you shoot and expose them, so they want a certain amount.. it's simple.

Speaking of models...do you still need me to do the camera work next week when you get in front of the camera to shoot that hardcore scene with those two trannies?

AaliyahLove · 12-05-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

So you are trying to say standing there naked is ALOT more work than what photographers and webmasters do? Thats so moronic, it really doesnt warrant a reply. get a fucking clue and go learn what WORK is.

u r mean Mr E!

AmeliaG · 12-05-2008, 03:07 AM

I think I need to know what you were really shooting them for and what caliber of model before I can assess your situation.

It might be that, if you are keeping the real usage of the work a secret, the models sense something shady and are jacking up the rates.

It might be that you are calling them "dumb whores" and getting a rude guy surcharge.

Or it might be that you are aiming to high for casting the type of project you are working on.

I assumed when you said percentage that you meant Zivity, but the G/G and B/G implies something else.

bloggingseo · 12-05-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I tell you what you should do then and see if you like it. Put a video of you being fucked by some moron, or just you masturbating on the free Tubes and every where else. Put it up so all the members of your family can see you. Then you can tell us if you think giving up your privacy is worth $800 a day or only the $300 a day you can afford.

You simply do not get it do you. It's worth it to other shooters or companies. These girls are getting paid this amount. They did not dream up the rates. Stop whining because you can't afford what others can. Stick to shooting the girls you can afford or step up to the plate and invest in your product.

You're coming across as someone who can't afford to pay rather than someone who does not want to.

Normally I don't agree with your posts, but I have to say you're right on!

bloggingseo · 12-05-2008, 04:00 AM

I do have another question. Why is it asking too much to pay the models 1K for a scene that will make you tens of thousands of dollars ?!?! I mean, I really think that is a very fair rate considering she is the one in the content and doing the main "selling" if you wil

Kudles · 12-05-2008, 12:08 PM

Not me.... hehe

JP-pornshooter · 12-05-2008, 12:17 PM

i used to argue to the models that it would be better for them to make 500 than to make nothing but i have learned to understand how they work..
if they dont need the money immediately, most of the models would rather lay in bed all day than make less than their "rate".
i am a little the same way, if i cant make decent money on a shoot, i'd rather go golfing that day and wait for a better opportunity to come along.

i do think the agents largely are to blame for the possible exuberant rates paid to "talent" in southern california. but it all comes down to supply and demand.

Trixie · 12-05-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands

funny that you complain and in the same post have the solution (myspace girls).. must not work well, otherwise you weren't crying over it. Pay them their rates after all you shoot and expose them, so they want a certain amount.. it's simple.

He's probably a shitty photographer, otherwise he could find lots of decent, semi-experienced and serious models who would DO tfp and he doesn't want to admit that he needs pros to make his crap pics look halfway marketable. Nervous newbies rarely know how to pose, look natural, seductive, etc. especially if the cameraman is a talentless asshole who can't shoot or direct or appreciate what good models have to offer.

Porno Dan · 12-06-2008, 02:10 AM

I had a model turn down $1,200 same day cash for a boy girl scene for one of shoots yesterday.

Major (Tom) · 12-06-2008, 03:12 AM

Well as we say out here... "there are two rules about shooting in jersey & new york. 1. this aint LA. & 2. This aint LA."

And you can tell by my sites we dont have any problems getting girls. 5 years of pimpin it core.
Duke

Sam Granger · 12-06-2008, 05:33 AM

Ok, so you want to pay girls peanuts and make thousands from it? Does it seem correct? They are the ones being "used"/have to deal with the reputation. It's a tougher life than you think and they deserve every penny they ask. If it's too much for you, don't whine, find someone who is willing to do something for the price you want. I respect the girls in this industry for what they are doing and they are definitely not overpaid...

Sam Granger · 12-06-2008, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

So you are trying to say standing there naked is ALOT more work than what photographers and webmasters do? Thats so moronic, it really doesnt warrant a reply. get a fucking clue and go learn what WORK is.

Sounds that you don't really respect the women you work with in this industry, so why the fuck are you doing it? You know how hard it is to tell your parents and friends what you do for a living? And what they treat you like after that? People recognizing you on the street? Think about it. Without them we wouldn't even have a product.

LadyMischief · 12-06-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Trixie

He's probably a shitty photographer, otherwise he could find lots of decent, semi-experienced and serious models who would DO tfp and he doesn't want to admit that he needs pros to make his crap pics look halfway marketable. Nervous newbies rarely know how to pose, look natural, seductive, etc. especially if the cameraman is a talentless asshole who can't shoot or direct or appreciate what good models have to offer.

If girls are creeped out by the photographer they will quote much higher rates too. I saw this all the time when we were shooting content, and most of the time because I was a female photog and made the girls comfortable, they would do more for less and be happy with it because they were treated respectfully and well.

gooddomains · 12-06-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Luv

Unless you are playboy or penthouse you should not be paying models that much money. $150.00 for a b/g or g/g is pretty standard.

I am paying more for a hooker these days

Dirty D · 12-06-2008, 10:04 AM

It all depends on how strong your pimp hand is...

DeanCapture · 12-06-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Granger

Ok, so you want to pay girls peanuts and make thousands from it? Does it seem correct? They are the ones being "used"/have to deal with the reputation. It's a tougher life than you think and they deserve every penny they ask. If it's too much for you, don't whine, find someone who is willing to do something for the price you want. I respect the girls in this industry for what they are doing and they are definitely not overpaid...

I totally agree here!

Just about every producer I know is money hungry and stingy. Instead of making a "decent" wage and paying their models a decent wage, they want to keep all of the money to themselves by cutting corners and paying the talent peanuts.

I had a producer friend of mine call me a while back bragging about how much he got paid for a shoot and how many corners he had cut and how much money he was going to profit from the shoot because of it. It's totally ridiculous to have this mind set. Incidentally, the client thought the content was crap and never hired the guy again. Had he been not so stingy, cut less corners and taken a decent profit instead of trying to take it all....he could have had a long term relationship with the client that produced lots of business.

I have lots of respect for girls who work in this industry. They are not all perfect but I think they deserve good pay for what they do especially if the producer is making bank off of them.

beemk · 12-06-2008, 10:21 AM

supply and demand

pornlaw · 12-06-2008, 10:45 AM

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The market does NOT dictate the prices, the producers and companies paying talent do. If everyone said, ya know what, we are gonna pay $200 for solo, $400 for toys etc...what do you think the talent would do? They obviously cant strike, there is no union.

No union no strike....but thats called collusion and it is illegal and actionable. The producers cannot get together and set talent rates. There are also Sherman and Clayton Anti-Trust Acts implications to even making that statement on a public message board.

Iron Fist · 12-06-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

No union no strike....but thats called collusion and it is illegal and actionable. The producers cannot get together and set talent rates. There are also Sherman and Clayton Anti-Trust Acts implications to even making that statement on a public message board.

ZING! POW!

Major (Tom) · 12-06-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

It all depends on how strong your pimp hand is...

+1
Duke

NemesisEnforcer · 12-06-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I had a model turn down $1,200 same day cash for a boy girl scene for one of shoots yesterday.

This usually happens when she has a private and it pays way more than the shoot.

DirtyDanza · 12-06-2008, 06:48 PM

filming the content is the easy part... girls are way over paid in LA.. I am yet to fuck a girl thats worth a grand.. and ive fucked tons of girls...

selling the product is harder than filming it...

if they don't want what we offer for a scene then wendys is always hiring.. they can find their own cab ride home.. I just throw em out.. the min they start with the whole.. well im worth this blah bullshit... maybe if you other producers grew some fucking balls and just told the bitch no.. what it comes down to is most of you are still doing this to get laid most of all... so you want pussy you pay for it... it's sad really cause these girls are already mentally unstable as it is so when you feed their heads that they are worth 4 figures they think they are worth 4 figures... they are not..

NemesisEnforcer · 12-06-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

This is ridiculous and something I have been hearing producers complain about since precious few even knew what an "internet" was. Pay the models what you want to pay them and stop blaming others for paying more. This is still America and freedom to run your business the way you want is a sacred right of living in a capitalist society.

Here is

so you can pay your models more.

Bingo! I don?t ask for rates, I contact the girl and tell her what it pays. I?ve never been turned down for a shoot. We work out a convenient schedule and make the shoot happen.

I had one girl whose boy/girl rate was $7,000.00. Rather than turning down the shoot, she told me that she would do the scene for free if her boyfriend could be the male talent. Her rationale was that she did not want anyone to know that she worked for less than her rate. She did sign a model release showing compensation of $7,000.00.

Given the current state of the economy, rates have fallen considerably in porn valley.

12-06-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

Let me start out by saying I do alot more print work then web work. Models are lucky to get paid for alot of print work but do it for tearsheets and exposure.. The website I shoot for, the model is paid on a percentage basis. Was looking into getting some rather well known models for Playboy styled solo work and the prices they wanted were insane, near $1k for 3-4 sets and vids that would take no more than an hour to shoot. Then other girls I know wanting $1k for g/g and $1500 for b/g scenes....give me a fucking break.

In case these dumb whores havent noticed, we are in a recession right now. They should be more than thankful for $300 an hour while the average American makes $9 an hour doing actual WORK. But these girls scoff at anything under $600. I think its about time those of you who pay that kind of money say enough! Take $300, get naked or get the fuck out and I will find another hot college girl in need of money who will. I have a feeling the prices would start coming way down if people started doing that. There is FAR more supply than demand and it will only get worse.

Your posting says it all. You were wanting to shoot with well known models. They worked hard to get their images and name out there. They earned the right to charge more money than a model that is fairly unknown. In any profession you get paid well when you have a good resume. The same thing goes for modeling. If you do not like the rates, then you just hire another model.

I have seen photographers who charge a a lot of money as well. Look at Dean Capture. I bet he is not cheap, but his images are well worth the money. You know when you hire him you are getting a pro. The same goes for models. You can hire a pro that can deliver, or you can hire a cheaper model that may suck. You get what you pay for. Plus calling models dumb whores is pretty stupid on your part. Those dumb whores are what people pay to see.

BSleazy · 12-06-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

Let me start out by saying I do alot more print work then web work. Models are lucky to get paid for alot of print work but do it for tearsheets and exposure.. The website I shoot for, the model is paid on a percentage basis. Was looking into getting some rather well known models for Playboy styled solo work and the prices they wanted were insane, near $1k for 3-4 sets and vids that would take no more than an hour to shoot. Then other girls I know wanting $1k for g/g and $1500 for b/g scenes....give me a fucking break.

In case these dumb whores havent noticed, we are in a recession right now. They should be more than thankful for $300 an hour while the average American makes $9 an hour doing actual WORK. But these girls scoff at anything under $600. I think its about time those of you who pay that kind of money say enough! Take $300, get naked or get the fuck out and I will find another hot college girl in need of money who will. I have a feeling the prices would start coming way down if people started doing that. There is FAR more supply than demand and it will only get worse.

I didn't read any replies to this thread but you sound stupid. These girls don't have work lined up 40 fucking hours a week at any rate like the $9 an hour regular job shit your talking about.

Also, the average college girl wouldn't even think about doing any porn type anything unless you're talking about paying them ridiculous amounts of money. Like 10k-100k+ and then 99% of them still wouldn't do it because of moral values.

Major (Tom) · 12-06-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

This usually happens when she has a private and it pays way more than the shoot.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
duke

DAMNMAN · 12-06-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i agree to most of that, just one problem: my clients (usually) do not pay more per scene when a girl is really excellent. on rare occasions i can demand something extra when a girl is really expensive, but otherwise i get a fixed amount per scene no matter how much i pay to the girl. thats why we offer all girls the same money and they either work for that money or not. otherwise i would have to pay it out of my pocket - which i will not.

and we had it a lot of times that girls demanded insane amounts of money so that we had to refuse them. a few months later when they ran out of jobs they came back and worked for the standard rate

100% on the money!!!
Even the most smokin' hotties will usually be in my studio fuckin' for rates she refused to work for 2 months earlier.

There is only so much work for a girl and once they've shot for everyone around here they usually drop their rates.

That said:

Agents have changed this on us here in florida recently by sending the girls to LA once they are done here.
Once they've been to LA they will not shoot for Florida rates 'cause they are spoiled by LA rates and want more$$$ (can't shoot 'em I'm on a budget too) or the girls come back from LA all fucked up, with the clap and they've been so abused you couldn't pay them $10,000.00 for fuck on film. Their pussy/anus is broken and they are outta the biz forever!!!!! Either way I lost the shoot.

DAMNMAN · 12-06-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BCyber

I didn't read any replies to this thread but you sound stupid. These girls don't have work lined up 40 fucking hours a week at any rate like the $9 an hour regular job shit your talking about.

Also, the average college girl wouldn't even think about doing any porn type anything unless you're talking about paying them ridiculous amounts of money. Like 10k-100k+ and then 99% of them still wouldn't do it because of moral values.

I shoot many girls who have college degrees, hell I shot 3 ministers daughters in one week. (awesome freaky little sluts to the last!!!!) I shoot average girls every day and they suck dick with above average skills usually just for the camera.

I shoot some housewives that are filthy stinking rich and they drive up in $100,000.00 cars with gold and diamonds dripping off of them, and sometimes their rich ass husbands like to watch them getting fucked in the ass buy my big cock male talent.

And as far as moral values goes does doing it in private and not on film, actually change the entire morality of an immorral act? Because it's not published.

I'm just sayin'!!!

gideongallery · 12-14-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

Bingo! I don?t ask for rates, I contact the girl and tell her what it pays. I?ve never been turned down for a shoot. We work out a convenient schedule and make the shoot happen.

I had one girl whose boy/girl rate was $7,000.00. Rather than turning down the shoot, she told me that she would do the scene for free if her boyfriend could be the male talent. Her rationale was that she did not want anyone to know that she worked for less than her rate. She did sign a model release showing compensation of $7,000.00.

Given the current state of the economy, rates have fallen considerably in porn valley.

wtf so she paid taxes on a 7k pay day and didn't get the money for the deal. She lost money to fuck her boyfriend.

i am sorry but that is just stupid.

Zester · 12-17-2008, 08:55 AM

my post was left unanswered and assumed dead

commonsense · 12-17-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

filming the content is the easy part... girls are way over paid in LA.. I am yet to fuck a girl thats worth a grand.. and ive fucked tons of girls...

selling the product is harder than filming it...

if they don't want what we offer for a scene then wendys is always hiring.. they can find their own cab ride home.. I just throw em out.. the min they start with the whole.. well im worth this blah bullshit... maybe if you other producers grew some fucking balls and just told the bitch no.. what it comes down to is most of you are still doing this to get laid most of all... so you want pussy you pay for it... it's sad really cause these girls are already mentally unstable as it is so when you feed their heads that they are worth 4 figures they think they are worth 4 figures... they are not..

Mr Romance

Juicy D. Links · 12-17-2008, 12:37 PM

i charge $500 for a girl to touch my penis

SeanHart · 12-17-2008, 12:55 PM

Regardless of all your points you have no content without the models. If you don't want to pay what they want then that's that. No need to bitch about it.

Undisputed1 · 12-17-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

While I agree with you about the content being very important, it is amazing that the same girls are used in so many sites with soooo many stories... Yet the NEW girls on the scene Sell just as well and they get paid a lot less. The regular porn girls are the ones demanding that much.

This is the point Mr. E was trying to make. He just worded it terribly.

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