WWC

I gotta say Kayne West doesnt really know how to sing or has a nice enough voice IMAO to be considered in the music business.....is it because of that new voice technology he uses that made him so big?

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Some people call it the "T-Pain" voice effect but its really just a program called Auto Tune, which has gotten really popular in the past few years.

WWC

Ya huh....a bunch of echoes

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Paul Markham

IMHO music started to take a dive when the video became more important then the music, the image became more important than the content and the money men decided to take control of the industry and the music away from the musicians.

I'm sure there are musicians with the potential of Hendrix, Dylan, Lennon, Townsend, Clapton, Waters, Page and so many many more waiting to be discovered. And sadly never will be.

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music took a dive when the whole "gangsta" culture took over the entire youth and schools of the nation, and music choices were made to look cool and as a safety cred thing, kind of like "don't fuck me around because I am gangsta, listening to my gangsta rap and all"

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Blingbaby

Maybe you need to branch out?

Garfield

the only gangsta music I could even consider to listen would be Body Count, today rap is pure shit

TTiger

peter frampton use to do it the 70's :p

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dont bangwagon all todey music..
because their is a lots of great artiste and musician today!
RAp and hip hop is pure shita.. but in the rock/metal/prog/trance/hose techno etc.. their is lots a really good artists

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that's why i stick with pacha ibiza music..

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sex on fire. kings of leon.

waiting for this moment. silver sun pickups.

is it any wonder? . keane


are we human or are we dancers? the killers


thank god for music!

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I often ask myself this question

Violetta

I dont listen to that!

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Kanya is garbage.

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Well I don't want to offend Kanye cause he has the best name in the pop history ever and apart from a couple brief encounters with his fur filled music videos I haven't really heard anything from him.

But here's the recipe I've observed:

1) get a mammal that's about the size of the biggest monkies and likes money
2) dress it in a fur
3) decorate it with gold
4) put it into a Hummer
5) get something to transform its roaring to more polished sound
6) come up with a very mediocre sampler beat
7) record a cool music video without a story
8) put it up to MTV and other "music" channels
9) play it at least 10 times a day
10) get articles into all the popular magazines
11) supply the tabloids and newspapers with a balanced portion of scandals regularly
12) once the mammal starts getting high too much and bitch too much - get rid of it
13) repeat the procedure

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thinkhype

to not be considered?

thats a bit harsh, you gotta give the guy some credit for at least having released 3 albums, soon 4

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donkevlar

Kanye got big from producing hit singles for Puff Daddy way back in the day, and then started RAPPING (google it) which doesn't require a nice voice.

Now that he's a super famous personality he can do whatever he wants.

By the way, you sound like my grandfather bitching about that "racket" i was listening to back in the early 90s. And his father bitching about elvis. And so on.

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BlackCrayon

Thats just a cop out. Personally i listen to lots of rap and metal, rock and all sorts of stuff but most popular music these days is made purely upon marketing.

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Bama

I'm just another nigga' with a microphone
Can't carry a tune, I have to talk my song...

Wearing hand-me-downs and the cloths don't fit
Look like a fool but I think I'm hip...

Tough ghetto rapper that thinks I'm fly
But punch me in the face and see how fast I cry..

I got crap hanging round my neck so I must be cool
Stupid fucking wiggers actually think I rule...

Dumb ass crackers soaks up my rap
Don't have the common sense to see that it's all just CRAP!

There's my rap for the day!

bronco67

Kanye was on SNL last night, and it was the worst pile of crap. He's been overrated ever since he came out. I just don't get it. Stupid lyrics, bad composition, horrible execution live....what a scam.

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donkevlar

When hasn't it been?

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its because of Media Hype. If you have all people saying something is good. Most of society is going to believe it. I haven't listened to a 'new' song in probably quite some time. It's simply crap.

CarlosTheGaucho

We've came a long way, from the times when producers were looking for something that people like already (concerts / local bands / etc.) and that exists on its own to the times when producers create something completely artificial and create the hype around it.

This is the most impotent time in the pop music history ever.

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CarlosTheGaucho

Another important thing is that there's a motherload of great music that was created already, so noone really needs more than to keep the existing artists (many of them in their 50's / 60's already) to satisfy the needs of those, who are a bit more demanding, or look for a bit of sense and originality.

There really isn't any need to push / create anything else than the complete shit music for the new generation, that's an easy prey to influence and to bank on.

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Barefootsies

Are you talking about the effect Roger Troutman pioneered back in the early 80's?

It's been around a lot longer than any T-Pain.

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I actually believe it will dissapear after a bit the same way as faggy 80's synthesizers did.

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Barefootsies

Agreed.

They did it in the 70's also, but ran it through their guitar instead of the synthesizer. It reappears every 10 years or so.

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Agent 488

producers have been polishing untalented turds from day one of pop music.

CarlosTheGaucho

Yeah but besides polishing untalented turds there used to be always at least something happening.

Like you had Rock n Roll explosion with Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis and Buddy Holly (followed by hundreds of mediocre wannabie innovators ) then you had the hippie shit and hard rock emerging in the late 60's, Iggy Pop going down on stage, Velvet Underground doing their weird stuff, Black Sabbath with riffs heavier than the Birmingham steel - something that was never around before and that all just at the break of the 60's and 70's.

Then in 70's there's NWOBHM / space rock / punk rock and roots of hardcore/ trash metal that came to full force in the 80's while pop was dominated by fags with synthesizers and rock had more hair than ever/ then the Seattle scene that went popular in the first half of the 90's and made a couple good bands big and way more good bands uncovered, that's say till 1995 and then?

Nothing.

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donkevlar

I believe the "today" you guys are talking about is the late 90's and early 2000's before piracy/youtube/myspace ran rampant and evened the playing field, making for some great fucking pop music.

See: Santogold, Feist, Gorillaz, MIA, Lil Wayne, etc.

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Please don't compare talentless hacks like Elvis that had most of their material written for them with real artists of today like TV on the Radio, Sufjan Stevens, Fleet Foxes, Sigur Ros etc etc. He's nothing more than the Britney Spears of his generation. A pretty face with an ok voice that producers fed other people's songs through.
I wouldn't parade your inability to find good music and complain about not being forcefed anything good. Were the Pixies, Dead Kennedy's, Jane's Addiction popular and accessible in the 80's? Do you still listen to popular 90's bands? Still rocking on to Pearl Jam? Were they anything other than a completely traditional guitar band marketed under "alternative"? bleh.

WebairGerard

there are always really talented artists out there, getting them heard with quality airtime is the hard part and usually the crap that the industry pushes just makes it through.

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Hippity hop mumbo jumbo

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WWC

Exactly , i saw that ... wasnt that horrible? He couldnt sing, couldnt rap and couldnt even dance.... just takes huge steps back and forth lol

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CarlosTheGaucho

Hah nice try, but Elvis was the shit in his early years before he got all fat and boring / Vegas etc., he wasn't that special as Jerry Lee Lewis, the killer had much more balls than him, but check Ed O'Sullivan show from 1955 and you'll love Elvis, he had far too much charisma not to become what he became.

That's the same like if you said Beatles were pretty faces with an ok voice, and maybe they were and it was Brian Epstein who made them big, but who cares? Weren't they remarkable?

No I don't listen to Pearl Jam anymore, it's a closed chapter and if recording new music was banned today, there there's still enough good stuff to explore for hundreds of years if you look for good music outside of genres.

Let me get back to the fact that we're discussing the pop scene of today, what's available in media, what's on MTV, we're discussing this idiotic display of inability to put out anything original apart from more audio effects, more sweaty ebony asses or more golden chains.

It's actually quite similar to the pop scene of the 80's with all the new romance shit and crazy colours, crazy hairstyles, silly lyrics and way too much energy.

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donkevlar

You're just mad because you're old now and want things to be the way they were when you were young.

The fact is there has always been crap and there's always been good shit. There aren't really any certain periods that were 'good for music' or not, your perception has just changed.

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Yeah I'm really ancient, you're right. Hell I even like the music from the 30's and 40's, just yesterday I was watching a movie with Fred Astair and Ginger Rogers and I was headbanging like crazy, goddamn.

And yeah, you're right, there are definitely bands of a Led Zeppelin caliber playing on a mainstream radio these days and selling 7 millions of records - not?

There are plenty of great bands that started just recently on the radio and that don't have their roots in the 60's / 70's or 80's - not?

In fact I bet there's another Jimi Hendrix playin in some dirty old club right now, but it's his bigger cousin Kanye who's ballin, cause shit is in vogue these days.

Don't forget the whole pop music became much more of a industry and rapidly changed with the start of the 80's with video coming up, and as the time went by, this actually enabled a chance to present those, who suck - you don't really need to be able to play or sing anymore and your concerts can be a joke.

It's hard to argue with this because the evidence is on 24 / 7 - again we're talking about pop music and i don't expect Tom Waits on MTV.

Elton John is a crazy fag with the biggest classic cars collection and the sickest fashion style in the history, but bring him back, hell I would take Tina Turner, Meat Loaf, the sickest 80's pin up armed Prince or Queen headlined by the 12 clicks's famous alter ego anytime over the multiethnic meltdown that's going on now.

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Quoted for truthiness.

CarlosTheGaucho

Yeah, everything is allright:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart...oard+Hot+10 0

And it seems they really played just 6 different artists during the whole last week so it's just 6 names in the top 10 with Brittney Spears twice, Beyonce twice and a dude (most likely) called T.I. twice.

Now that's one hell of a symphony for ears!

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leek

Since when has the Billboard Hot 100 been a good source for quality music? And that #1 song features a rendition of the O-Zone song "Dragostea Din Tei,". Which was a number one single throughout Europe.

As the other guy said: things change, music changes, tastes change. Those songs are the top 100 because people like them. In 10-20 years, they will look back and say, "Remember the good old days of music when we had T.I. and Britney Spears? Those were the days of *good music*."

CarlosTheGaucho

I do predict that, on the other hand it won't be easy cause there's really noone playing, noone even trying to sing or to make at least a little bit of very simple sense, so what's gonna be next?

Real animals on stage?

We've come a long way from the conformity in the 50's through a long and interesting revolting times to another new age of synthetic / senseless / supervisual / multiethnic / impotent conformity.

The big video brother is now telling you what is cool and what's not cool, cause if it shouldn't be cool they'll mark it as "alternative" to make sure the majority will get scared.

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UniqueD

Don't consider this overproduced crap thats all over MTV the "music of today" get away from the man stream, listen to some independently labeled artists.

Tom_PM

Ok, a Voice Box made for guitar use is not the same as auto tuners that came out in the 80's and are used now by Kanye and in the 90's by Cher and whoever else.

The deal is simple. If you can get up with your bandmates and PLAY your instruments and SING your song, you may call your self a "band" as the term applies to a group who creates and performs "music".

Now if you pipe in your voice and songs and sound effects and have a 5 minute dancing session on a tv show, it MIGHT be possible that you are a "band" playing "music", but it is not proven by your dancing performance and recorded music for tv cameras.

Finally.. if your "concert performance" is named as such to distinguish itself legally from the actual live performing of music.. you are Milli Vanilli with a better lawyer. PERIOD.

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skrinkladoo

Mainstream is a joke, its not original - just more shit that record companies THINK will make money. Its money (another trend, and more hot topic t-shirts to be sold), not talent. For a decade rappers have come out stating they are "ballin" - with rented jewels on. They say nothing, they are actors - pure nothing. Its lazy. Fuck 'em all ... soul-less, record company sell-outs, top 40 mainstream garbage.

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We need our good & old english punk rock back!

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