Cannabis is bad for you, it turns out - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-11-2002, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
So, your position is basically that of the tobacco company executives: "We don't believe the evidence. More studies are needed,..." etc.

Evidence? What evidence? You posted no evidence, the "report" contains no evidence, so where is it? Are you hiding it? lol

Fact is, you don't have any

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When you smoke cannabis, you are taking in a LOT more than just THC. Perhaps THC pills would be harmless, but there is no way that smoke in the lungs is EVER good, and I dare you to find a study that says so.

You don't need to smoke it to begin with. You can use a vaporizer, or cook it into any food product containing fat. I like how you are substituting vague insinuations for actual evidence here.. wait a second, is THIS your vaunted "evidence?" lol.

But since you insist upon shifting the burden of proof because you have no evidence to support your position.. you say "There is no way smoke in the lungs is ever good"..

bzzt, this is the straw man fallacy.

Its not incumbent upon me, or any cannabis smoker, to prove its good.. because we never claimed it was. All we claim is that there is NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE of long term negative effects to justify making it illegal.

Secondly, you also make the assumption that stuff which will kill you in larger quantities is also bad in small amounts. Just because inhaling large amounts of tar, carbon monoxide and other byproducts of plant combustion daily might shorten your life doesn't mean that the same holds true for the sort of amounts which most cannabis smokers inhale.

You are making illogical assumptions rather than basing your position on evidence. So, once again, let me invite you to show us some actual evidence.. rather than burden of proof shifting and baseless opinionating.

roly · 11-11-2002, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
When you smoke cannabis, you are taking in a LOT more than just THC. Perhaps THC pills would be harmless

you should try some hash cakes

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
but there is no way that smoke in the lungs is EVER good, and I dare you to find a study that says so.

do you drive a car? or walk down busy city streets? Given the choice to sit in a room full of car exhaust fumes or a room full of canabis smoke i know what i'd prefer, but i bet that doesn't stop you driving a gas guzzling motor. yeah it's not exactly good for you, but what is

gothweb · 11-11-2002, 02:53 PM

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-11-2002, 02:54 PM

And as far as the bullshit about this being the same as the Tobacco companies cover up.. I'm afraid you are showing just what a credulous ass you are.

These tobacco lawsuits have shown that the companies knew of the harmful & addictive effects of cigarette smoke as far back as the 60's, and engaged in a systematic, organized attempt to hide and cover up the evidence.

Now, show me the "cannabis conspiracy" to cover up the negative evidence. Show me the billion dollar cannabis companies shredding internal studies, paying off lawmakers, and creating dummy scientific organizations to hide the harmful effects of their products.

Fact is, beyond showing that heavy THC use mildly impairs short term memory on a temporary basis, there is no negative evidence to cover up.

Next time, think before you speak.

cherrylula · 11-11-2002, 02:55 PM

"I enjoy a sociable drink. To be honest there isn't much else to do besides go out for a drink with people you know. Yes, I appreciate there are risks involved, but so has everything. Even driving to work in the mornings I could be killed in an accident. I don't smoke or do drugs, so I figure what's wrong with a drink at the weekends. When I do go out for a drink I know I drink too much, but that's normally just on a Friday and Saturday night."

Binge Drinking Culture.

http://www.thesite.org/magazine/spec...g_culture.html

budweiser has you!

cherrylula · 11-11-2002, 02:55 PM

hahaha and i just realized Fletch is on a beer run.....

bottoms up

eroswebmaster · 11-11-2002, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Yeah okay. You wont live to 50. I really hope you dont, just so my point will be proven.

How old are you first.

Before I argue on this board as it seems most of you fuckers arent even old enough to drink and want to argue about the laws you dont even vote on. Only here.

When was the last time you did ANYTHING to help another person battle addiction?

I have been through AA and helped others as well as many in my family battle alcoholism, talked to others and helped many of my friends even put down syringes in serious and life threatening situations. Drug rehab and withdrawal are not easy, and I bet you know nothing of it.

You sit in your bedroom yapping your fucking mouth about the War on Drugs when you arent shit and havent been anywhere when it comes to real people with addicitons and/or problems, yet your dad was probably fucking buzzed off of Budweiser when you were conceived. Maybe thats why you think the way you do?

Take your fucking double standard and shove it up your ass boy.

Im the most aggressive fucking stoner yuoull ever meet, well maybe. Im from new Orleans where you can be drinking on Bourbon at 15, I know I was doing it. I see people wreck their whole lives for a drink, I know again because I used to do it, hence my trip to AA.

Now I clean my life up and choose to smoke a lil herbs and that makes me a bad guy now? Fuck off dude, you dont know shit. Get some scars before you talking about living pussy.

So how old are you?

hahaha

You know Fletch...who gives a flying fuck...someone posted a link about the possible health problems associated with smoking pot...let's address that.

It is you who sounds like you are fearing something...lol

And before you start spouting off about how old I am...or what "issues" I may have...I want pot to be legalized.

eroswebmaster · 11-11-2002, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Did I say it was not addicitive?

Nope.

Sure I am addicted to pot. Im also addicted to money and rock and roll.

Wanna read a book?

<img src=http://www.69khz.com/images/alkybook.jpg border="1">

Sorry to be picking on you Fletch...but there's nothing more I hate than people who show off their littlle coins.

Not saying that's you...but god damn man...in the late 80's and early 90's being an addict and/or alcoholic was as big a fucking fad as being a lesbian is now.

Fletch XXX · 11-11-2002, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Sorry to be picking on you Fletch...but there's nothing more I hate than people who show off their littlle coins.

Dude you must have missed my post in Flys thread?

<img src=http://www.69khz.com/images/nov11.jpg border="1">

I just posted it to show, I have been there, and even gave them 10 bucks for their fucking book.

I dont preach AA, but I will say before you cast stones, read the book. Go to a meeting and see men, grown men who cant have a drink and if they do they would fuck up their whole life, cry their testimony, and talk about battling the dri8nk for 40 + years shaking, their wife of 30 + years just passed away, what fucking hope do they have? Why not drink. I say until you see old addicts being held by 20 year old addicts in a room full of addicts, its harsd to justify any claim to the value of their coins.

Go listen to mothers talk about needing a drink so bad they lose their children. I know its all about a <i>choice, </i>and everyone makes their own choice. But I know Addiciton, and I have battled it my whole life. Its a very tough thing, <i>alcoholism is a disease remember?</i>

And I can relate to those people. Those litle coins might seem silly, but to some people who have no control over their actions (alcoholism) those coins keep them strong.

I have woken up shaking needing a drink, have you ever honestly woken up shaking for the need of a drink?

I admit, they do sound like a bunch of silly pussies at times, but again, as I can relate to needing to get up during sleep and have a beer to be able to sleep through the morning, I understand how bad a mouth can water...

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by roly

do you drive a car? or walk down busy city streets? Given the choice to sit in a room full of car exhaust fumes or a room full of canabis smoke i know what i'd prefer, but i bet that doesn't stop you driving a gas guzzling motor. yeah it's not exactly good for you, but what is

Good God, where did you ever learn to think? Can't you see there's a difference between risks you can't avoid and those you can?

spanky · 11-11-2002, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

... kind of sad but at the same time kind of funny to watch

machineg · 11-11-2002, 03:22 PM

mmmm mmm mm

RedShoe · 11-11-2002, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by machineg

mmmm mmm mm

what is that stuff?

machineg · 11-11-2002, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by RedShoe

what is that stuff?

enough for everybody ... seems tense in here

DearAbby · 11-11-2002, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by RedShoe

what is that stuff?

It's cock

spanky · 11-11-2002, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by machineg

mmmm mmm mm

trim that shit before posting... scratched my throat up just looking at it ;-)

Spoonie Luv · 11-11-2002, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I want to thank you all for my first serious shot at the DVD player.

You're welcome.

I was in AA for 4 years back in the 90s. I didn't drink, but really just switched addictions.

I quit smoking pot a couple of months ago, only because it is illegal. I consider it nature's anti-depressant. Probably a lot more safe than prozac. It was pretty easy to quit too. A lot easier than tobacco, which I still am trying to quit.

I got tired of getting ripped off by criminals. Funny thing is now that I've quit, I found out that the bartender of a bar I frequent is a dealer, so I can get it now no problem from someone I trust.

I'm gonna stay off it though, because I am an addict, whether it is booze, pot, sex, etc. I keep drinking and driving too... pretty stupid isn't it?

I may be off here on the facts, but I think Nixon outlawed pot and lsd to try and curb the anti-war sentiment. Or at least he put marijuana in the same class of drugs as heroin and cocaine, which is just ridiculous.

Prohibition will never work. I guess we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of our past.

I actually think Nancy Regan had it right with her "Just Say No" campaign. The only way we will help addicts recover is if we remove the criminal stigma so they can get treatment for the disease. The only way to prevent future addicts is through education, information, and family support.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be an addict if I wasn't abused as a child. But I guess I'll never know for sure.

What a depressing post.

jojojo · 11-11-2002, 03:34 PM

Will you get a buzz if you just take buds and eat them or swallow them?

quiet · 11-11-2002, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
[B]Most of what we do is bad for us. Sitting at a computer for 18 hours a day and eating Pringles for dinner probably isn't the best thing in the world.

I wish they would just legalize pot and turn it into revenue for the govt instead of clogging up our courts and jails and pouring money endlessly into a fight against a drug that doesn't really cause problems for anyone but the person smoking it.

exactly. obesity is the number #1 cause of death in the US and Canada - by a landslide. maybe we should criminalize the use of fatty foods. the war on fat.

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Sunshine McGillicutty

Its not incumbent upon me, or any cannabis smoker, to prove its good.. because we never claimed it was. All we claim is that there is NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE of long term negative effects to justify making it illegal.

From that government propaganda organization Public Broadcasting System:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...y/policy.html:

"Respiratory damage: Marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of some of the constituents of tar than tobacco smoke"

"Research has shown a link between chronic heavy marijuana use and damage to the respiratory system similar to that caused by tobacco."

"Cannabis impairs co-ordination. This brings with it the risk of injury and death through impaired driving or accidents such as falls...North American studies of blood samples from drivers involved in motor vehicle crashes have consistently found that positive results for THC (the mood-altering ingredient in cannabis) are second only to positive results for alcohol."

One for the ladies: "Cannabis use by women who are pregnant may affect the fetus. As with tobacco smoking, risks such as low birth weight and premature delivery increase with use."

"Recent research suggests that exposure to cannabis in the womb can affect the mental development of the child in later years. By age four, for example, offspring of women who used cannabis regularly showed reduced verbal ability and memory."

And for those of you who are so sure cannabis is nonaddictive. While that may be true for most, it appears not to be true for all: "Cannabis use has been linked to a number of psychiatric effects. The most significant is called cannabis dependence syndrome. A person with this condition will continue to use the drug despite adverse effects on physical, social and emotional health." (probably claiming there is no proof that cannabis is addictive).

It's evident that people who want to use cannabis think just like the tobacco executives, dismissing contrary evidence and dealing with contrary evidence be appearing to wait forever for convincing evidence to come in, the question being is there really ANY evidence which would convince them at all?

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Originally posted by Sunshine McGillicutty
Secondly, you also make the assumption that stuff which will kill you in larger quantities is also bad in small amounts. Just because inhaling large amounts of tar, carbon monoxide and other byproducts of plant combustion daily might shorten your life doesn't mean that the same holds true for the sort of amounts which most cannabis smokers inhale.

From a study by the British Lung Foundation (discussed at http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click...216& set_id=1):

"Cannabis is more dangerous than tobacco and smoking three joints of pure cannabis is as bad for the lungs as 20 cigarettes, a medical study by the British Lung Foundation said on Monday."

"When the cannabis is mixed with tobacco, the effects are even worse, the study - titled A Smoking Gun - discovered."

(blah, blah)

"'These statistics will come as a surprise to many people, especially those who choose to smoke cannabis rather than tobacco in the belief it is "safer" for them,' said Dr Mark Britton, chairperson of the foundation."

Rory · 11-11-2002, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by jojojo
Will you get a buzz if you just take buds and eat them or swallow them?

No , but you can cook with it. Several different methods, but bottom line is that you need to raise the temperature or the effects will be the same as any other herb in your cabinet.

Rory

Rory · 11-11-2002, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
From a study by the British Lung Foundation (discussed at http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click...216& set_id=1):

"Cannabis is more dangerous than tobacco and smoking three joints of pure cannabis is as bad for the lungs as 20 cigarettes, a medical study by the British Lung Foundation said on Monday."

"When the cannabis is mixed with tobacco, the effects are even worse, the study - titled A Smoking Gun - discovered."

(blah, blah)

"'These statistics will come as a surprise to many people, especially those who choose to smoke cannabis rather than tobacco in the belief it is "safer" for them,' said Dr Mark Britton, chairperson of the foundation."

http://www.alaw.org/air_quality/info...ur_health.html

How many studies do you think we can find on the internet until we realize that we are all doomed to die anyhow?

Rory

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Spoonie Luv
I got tired of getting ripped off by criminals. Funny thing is now that I've quit, I found out that the bartender of a bar I frequent is a dealer, so I can get it now no problem from someone I trust.

...

I may be off here on the facts, but I think Nixon outlawed pot and lsd to try and curb the anti-war sentiment. Or at least he put marijuana in the same class of drugs as heroin and cocaine, which is just ridiculous.

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Prohibition will never work. I guess we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of our past.

Nobody seems to want to talk about the trashy lowlifes which an illegal drug habit fosters.

It's true that pot is nowhere near the problem or threat that coke or amphetamines, etc., are, but it's an unnecesary problem.

I'm a libertarian, and I feel if someone wants to use a drug, fucking let them. But also free up everyone else to discriminate against them for doing so. In other words, drug testing before getting an apartment or job, etc.

It's depressing that every generation seems to have to learn on its own that heroin is not something to mess with, so when people want to pass the hat for heroin addicts, I'm like, "Why? It's not like heroin addiction is some sort of closely guarded secret! Just like, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time," don't try addictive substances unless you're willing to take the consequences.

High Quality · 11-11-2002, 03:55 PM

I wouldn't be where i am today if I didn't have my pal, mary j.

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Rory

http://www.alaw.org/air_quality/info...ur_health.html

How many studies do you think we can find on the internet until we realize that we are all doomed to die anyhow?

Rory

This whole thing started when I merely pointed out an article stating some health risks related to cannabis. The amount of defensiveness about it is revelatory. "Methinks thou protest too much" as Shakespeare would say.

Fletch XXX · 11-11-2002, 03:59 PM

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"Cannabis is more dangerous than tobacco and smoking three joints of pure cannabis is as bad for the lungs as 20 cigarettes, a medical study by the British Lung Foundation said on Monday."

Most herb smokers use other cleaner means of smoking.

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"When the cannabis is mixed with tobacco, the effects are even worse, the study - titled A Smoking Gun - discovered."

Why would you want to mix herbs and tabacco? Most don't. Again just a Non User propaganda.

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"Respiratory damage: Marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of some of the constituents of tar than tobacco smoke"

'some' of course. But nothing like cigaretts, smokes screens and unclear 'facts'

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"Research has shown a link between chronic heavy marijuana use and damage to the respiratory system similar to that caused by tobacco."

Note: 'similar' - not the same, more unclear 'facts' used to smoke screen

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"Cannabis impairs co-ordination. This brings with it the risk of injury and death through impaired driving or accidents such as falls...North American studies of blood samples from drivers involved in motor vehicle crashes have consistently found that positive results for THC (the mood-altering ingredient in cannabis) are second only to positive results for alcohol."

Who said you are supposed to go drive when stoned? Most users dont. I dont drive high or drunk. Thats a question of ones judgement not the effects of a substance.

Of course it impairs your coordination, thats what getting hgh is about. Why do you drink a beer? To get focused or let go?

Get real.

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One for the ladies: "Cannabis use by women who are pregnant may affect the fetus. As with tobacco smoking, risks such as low birth weight and premature delivery increase with use."

Again, just bullshit. Of course a woman shouldnt smoke herbs while pregnant, the same she shouldn't have excessive caffeine of sugar in her diet while pregnant.

More non user smoke screens.

What a shame.

Youd think someone would bring up real arguments.

Rory · 11-11-2002, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Nobody seems to want to talk about the trashy lowlifes which an illegal drug habit fosters.

It's true that pot is nowhere near the problem or threat that coke or amphetamines, etc., are, but it's an unnecesary problem.

I'm a libertarian, and I feel if someone wants to use a drug, fucking let them. But also free up everyone else to discriminate against them for doing so. In other words, drug testing before getting an apartment or job, etc.

It's depressing that every generation seems to have to learn on its own that heroin is not something to mess with, so when people want to pass the hat for heroin addicts, I'm like, "Why? It's not like heroin addiction is some sort of closely guarded secret! Just like, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time," don't try addictive substances unless you're willing to take the consequences.

Are you AaronM's dad?

You seem to now be talking like your shit dont stink. Iam sure you have your addictions man, should I join a political party and campaign against your addictions? Matter of fact , several models that had shot for you told us that while shooting for you you had a chubby. Sex addiction maybe? Wanna find some articles about sex addiction?

Rory

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by High Quality
I wouldn't be where i am today if I didn't have my pal, mary j.

And according to your profile, that place is "limbo."

spanky · 11-11-2002, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

This whole thing started when I merely pointed out an article stating some health risks related to cannabis. The amount of defensiveness about it is revelatory. "Methinks thou protest too much" as Shakespeare would say.

well you did say:

"Aside from turning you into a zombie who is still living at home with Mom at age 30 and thinks reruns of CHIPS are entertaining, it can have serious health consequences, it seems."

you must have expected to get a rise... CHIPS?

cherrylula · 11-11-2002, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

exactly. obesity is the number #1 cause of death in the US and Canada - by a landslide. maybe we should criminalize the use of fatty foods. the war on fat.

I have some relatives a few hundred miles away (thank goodness)... no alcohol or drug problems, however my Aunt is so fucking fat she has bladder problems and "depends" are not made big enough. So she wears diapers in the largest size possible. And now she has to sleep with oxygen because her lungs collapse while she sleeps. I think she just turned 50, not that old either.

And my 69 year old Grandfather (on my fathers side) could kick a lot of guys ass, he is so fit, but he's from Europe. Go figure.

High Quality · 11-11-2002, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

And according to your profile, that place is "limbo."

Its a good place - dont knock it till you try it.

Rory · 11-11-2002, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

This whole thing started when I merely pointed out an article stating some health risks related to cannabis. The amount of defensiveness about it is revelatory. "Methinks thou protest too much" as Shakespeare would say.

Your first post that you must have forgot (are you a stoner man?).....

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Aside from turning you into a zombie who is still living at home with Mom at age 30 and thinks reruns of CHIPS are entertaining, it can have serious health consequences, it seems.

Is that merely stating some of the health risks?

To me it sure sounds like your making a narrow-minded stereotype of people because you dont like pot smokers.

Keep talking ..... you superior people really do some funny things.

Rory

FlyingIguana · 11-11-2002, 04:18 PM

"but to some people who have no control over their actions (alcoholism) those coins keep them strong. "

unless you are mentally ill you do have control over your actions. if you allow youself to get addicted to crack, it was you who was in control when you used it.

now if you're depressed or have low self esteem, that could be a result of a mental illness. if thats why you started being a drunk, then its your fault for not getting help with your issues.

sherie · 11-11-2002, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by ColKurtz
I am the same age, and it dosent take a rocket scientist to see that doing drugs and drinking will have effects down the road.

Its up to the person to make that choice. Free choice should accompany personal resonsiblity.

My main concern is there is a lot of people in their 20's and younger coming up that drink like sailors and smoke pot like a chimney. As well as do things like ecstacy which fucks up the brain. And I dont want my tax dollars to pay the medical bills down the road.

Unfortunately that no may longer be true

A study completed in the England Medicine Journal says that there is approximately 50% more carcinogens in pot and smoking 3 joints per day is equivalent to smoking 20 cigarettes

I'm with Luna, brownies seem much easier on the lungs!

spanky · 11-11-2002, 04:25 PM

http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws160.htm

Fletch XXX · 11-11-2002, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
if thats why you started being a drunk, then its your fault for not getting help with your issues.

Shallow.

For a man with no problems your windows crack easily.

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Again, just bullshit. Of course a woman shouldnt smoke herbs while pregnant, the same she shouldn't have excessive caffeine of sugar in her diet while pregnant.

More non user smoke screens.

What a shame.

Youd think someone would bring up real arguments.

If "excessive" is the operative word for you, how much exposure to cannabis smoke is nonexcessive? The answer: It would be better for your lungs not to have any smoke in them at all, wouldn't it? So, any amount is excessive compared to none at all, right?

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rory
To me it sure sounds like your making a narrow-minded stereotype of people because you dont like pot smokers.

Oh, I don't mind pot smokers (and I certainly have better things to do than hate pot smokers!). However, I do like a good discussion, which this is.

Rory · 11-11-2002, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

If "excessive" is the operative word for you, how much exposure to cannabis smoke is nonexcessive? The answer: It would be better for your lungs not to have any smoke in them at all, wouldn't it? So, any amount is excessive compared to none at all, right?

Jesus christ give up on the "I was just trying to inform people" shit, you came looking for a discussion, arguement, whatever. Quit changing your opinion and stick your foot in your mouth.

Rory

Fletch XXX · 11-11-2002, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

I don't mind stoners

Get a fucking clue Kenny Rogers.

I notice your simpleton remarks - you know why you make these posts. Next time you wanna help an addict ask your models if they are hooked.

Gravity is my only enemy.

On-top · 11-11-2002, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Cannabis is bad for you, it turns out

I'm pretty sure that 'smoke' in general is bad for you when it's ingested. Not just cigarette and cannabis, but diesel and other petroleum products' smoke cause cancer. Sage contains toxins when it's burned...wood smoke has health risks attached.

So...anybody up for some pot brownies?

Rory · 11-11-2002, 05:05 PM

Stem Tea on me in Vegas!

cherrylula · 11-11-2002, 05:31 PM

cherrylula · 11-11-2002, 05:39 PM

foe · 11-11-2002, 05:55 PM

Just dont add tobaco to your joints and youll be fine

bhutocracy · 11-11-2002, 06:38 PM

I hope they didn't spend any money on this "study". How many times can they say the same thing? - I remember about 8 years ago hearing the same stuff - but I think it was one joint has the tar of three cigarettes, not seven.. although it's a pity this study didn't mention that probably 90% of pot goes through bongs which filter more than a joint. It's also wrong that pot has more THC then previously, thats been proven time and time again to b a fallacy, it's just that people are only smoking the best heads today, whereas in the 60's people wouldn't be taking pics of buds, they'd be showing off their leaf.. which people laugh at the idea of smoking today..

I still don't think i've met ONE pot smoker who thought it was healthy.. in fact many seemed hyper aware of it's effects and talked about lower immune systems and what not..
one other thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the link with mental disorders - but as with most things it's about long term excessive use.

unseenworld, the non-excessive dose is once every fortnight... once a week if you want to push it, so the doctors recommend.

LikeaVirgin · 11-11-2002, 07:59 PM

Their just saying that cause they know if we had enough people to rally to legalize the shit they would have to succumb. Fuck them I'm smoked out. They betta fuck what they heard. Cannibus is the shit!

UnseenWorld · 11-11-2002, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
I hope they didn't spend any money on this "study". How many times can they say the same thing? - I remember about 8 years ago hearing the same stuff - but I think it was one joint has the tar of three cigarettes, not seven.. although it's a pity this study didn't mention that probably 90% of pot goes through bongs which filter more than a joint. It's also wrong that pot has more THC then previously, thats been proven time and time again to b a fallacy, it's just that people are only smoking the best heads today, whereas in the 60's people wouldn't be taking pics of buds, they'd be showing off their leaf.. which people laugh at the idea of smoking today..

I still don't think i've met ONE pot smoker who thought it was healthy.. in fact many seemed hyper aware of it's effects and talked about lower immune systems and what not..
one other thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the link with mental disorders - but as with most things it's about long term excessive use.

unseenworld, the non-excessive dose is once every fortnight... once a week if you want to push it, so the doctors recommend.

I did quote a part about cannabis dependency syndrome, cannabis=drug, cannabis dependency=drug dependency.

The fact that people are getting so bent out of shape sure looks like a dependency thing. If I were saying peas were not good for you, can you imagine this kind of commotion and rush to defend the pea-eating habit? No. Why? There is no dependency on peas.

I think in a while, after this blows over, I'll start a thread on how peas are bad for you, and I believe it will just die on the vine. Why? No one cares enough about peas to get all bent out of shape over it.

I started the thread in fun (I did point out an actual article but made what was clearly a teasy remark about watching CHIPS, etc.), but look at how far it's gone: one guy even stating he'd never ever buy content from me because of my posts. I've also been called bitter (absurd to anyone who really knows me?they'd lay it more to a weird sense of humor) and I've had it all blamed on my age (I'm not walking with a cane yet...and ironically THAT was from someone whose first line of defense was to accuse me of stereotyping potheads).

All in all an interesting day.

FlyingIguana · 11-11-2002, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Shallow.

For a man with no problems your windows crack easily.

hey i'm just telling it like it is. everyone has problems, you just deal with them.

doodoohead · 11-11-2002, 09:34 PM

Hey you know what I say???

People are people and you should do what you want as long as it doesnt infringe on another person. As an adult you should be allowed to make your own decisions and not have the government make them for you based on studies.

11-11-2002, 02:53 PM	#103
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11-11-2002, 02:54 PM	#104
Sunshine McGillicutty So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: California Posts: 475	And as far as the bullshit about this being the same as the Tobacco companies cover up.. I'm afraid you are showing just what a credulous ass you are. These tobacco lawsuits have shown that the companies knew of the harmful & addictive effects of cigarette smoke as far back as the 60's, and engaged in a systematic, organized attempt to hide and cover up the evidence. Now, show me the "cannabis conspiracy" to cover up the negative evidence. Show me the billion dollar cannabis companies shredding internal studies, paying off lawmakers, and creating dummy scientific organizations to hide the harmful effects of their products. Fact is, beyond showing that heavy THC use mildly impairs short term memory on a temporary basis, there is no negative evidence to cover up. Next time, think before you speak. Last edited by Sunshine McGillicutty; 11-11-2002 at 02:59 PM..

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11-11-2002, 02:55 PM	#105
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	"I enjoy a sociable drink. To be honest there isn't much else to do besides go out for a drink with people you know. Yes, I appreciate there are risks involved, but so has everything. Even driving to work in the mornings I could be killed in an accident. I don't smoke or do drugs, so I figure what's wrong with a drink at the weekends. When I do go out for a drink I know I drink too much, but that's normally just on a Friday and Saturday night." Binge Drinking Culture. http://www.thesite.org/magazine/spec...g_culture.html budweiser has you!

11-11-2002, 02:55 PM	#106
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	hahaha and i just realized Fletch is on a beer run..... bottoms up

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FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	"but to some people who have no control over their actions (alcoholism) those coins keep them strong. " unless you are mentally ill you do have control over your actions. if you allow youself to get addicted to crack, it was you who was in control when you used it. now if you're depressed or have low self esteem, that could be a result of a mental illness. if thats why you started being a drunk, then its your fault for not getting help with your issues.

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11-11-2002, 06:38 PM	#146
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	I hope they didn't spend any money on this "study". How many times can they say the same thing? - I remember about 8 years ago hearing the same stuff - but I think it was one joint has the tar of three cigarettes, not seven.. although it's a pity this study didn't mention that probably 90% of pot goes through bongs which filter more than a joint. It's also wrong that pot has more THC then previously, thats been proven time and time again to b a fallacy, it's just that people are only smoking the best heads today, whereas in the 60's people wouldn't be taking pics of buds, they'd be showing off their leaf.. which people laugh at the idea of smoking today.. I still don't think i've met ONE pot smoker who thought it was healthy.. in fact many seemed hyper aware of it's effects and talked about lower immune systems and what not.. one other thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the link with mental disorders - but as with most things it's about long term excessive use. unseenworld, the non-excessive dose is once every fortnight... once a week if you want to push it, so the doctors recommend.

11-11-2002, 09:34 PM	#150
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