Why Sales Are Slow (my opinion)

[BFT3K]

In my opinion Tube Sites and the bad economy are 85% of why sales are slow. Maybe add another 10% for torrents and file sharing, and then you can blame the remaining 5% on whatever you like.

Give everything away for free, at a time where nobody wants to pay for non-essential needs, and this is what you get.

Point fingers and blame cross sales all you want, but those of you who are giving away tons of content for free are the true turncoats.

I do not offer cross sales (checked or unchecked) and I do agree that hidden cross sales are bullshit, but all of you who jump on the tube bandwagon are the ones who are doing the most damage by far.

[HorseShit]

Thanks for this new insight, we all had no clue what was up

[BVF]

[woj]

Originally Posted by jdavis

Thanks for this new insight, we all had no clue what was up

yea, no kidding...

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by jdavis

Thanks for this new insight, we all had no clue what was up

Yeah, I know. Sometimes I get pissed off and I just can't help myself. Sorry to state the obvious - it's like beating a dead horse.

[BFT3K]

Wow, you beat me to it - lol!

[bluemoney]

Oh geeez

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by BVF

[John-ACWM]

Funny thing with this economy,it doesn't mess with everybody's business.I'm good

[paperboy]

Well I agree with you, today ppl live a fast life, fast food, fast everything.. and the tubes and all these free content are turnignn the biz down... All these guys want is fast porn to jerk off!

[KillerK]

why do people say the tubes hurt business?

The dating and cam companies are making an absolute KILLING on the all the traffic
they are getting. Plus the tubes are hurting the torrent sites revenue.

[Joshua G]

tubes are no different than broadcast television...give away content to attract traffic that advertisers pay for. Some tubes steal that content, some tubes don't. But there is nothing to stop them.

There will always be a mass of people that will pay for specific porn they like, even if they can get it free, because their morals tell them its stealing. Generally these are porn customers that go to church. There will also always be a mass of people that work hard to see your content for free, & would never pay for it. In the middle are the people that will pay if its hard to find free, but will not pay if its real easy. The paysite owner's only power is to make it as hard as possible for people to easily get their content for free, & try to maximize paying customers with benefits the tubes can't provide.

People in front of the tube revolution are making money by driving traffic to their sites from the tubes. If you cant beat em, join em...

[Tippy]

... and it will only get worse without a doubt, stating the obvious, I know.

[Fat Panda]

i need to start a tube

[tony286]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

tubes are no different than broadcast television...give away content to attract traffic that advertisers pay for. Some tubes steal that content, some tubes don't. But there is nothing to stop them.

There will always be a mass of people that will pay for specific porn they like, even if they can get it free, because their morals tell them its stealing. Generally these are porn customers that go to church. There will also always be a mass of people that work hard to see your content for free, & would never pay for it. In the middle are the people that will pay if its hard to find free, but will not pay if its real easy. The paysite owner's only power is to make it as hard as possible for people to easily get their content for free, & try to maximize paying customers with benefits the tubes can't provide.

People in front of the tube revolution are making money by driving traffic to their sites from the tubes. If you cant beat em, join em...

A model based on theft is not a hot business model. Let me tell you whats going to happen because the industry doesnt learn. everyone is getting desperate so they are all going to go tube crazy using the adapt or die excuse. Well if I give it all away I will get traffic, lets not talk about the actual demographic of that traffic but hey its traffic.Then Governments will start banning porn off the net eventually ppv tv and the few surviving book stores will be the only places you will be able to get it.
Giving away full scenes of porn just gives ammo to the religious extremes to fire at us with. Then someone will actually have the balls to say why are they picking on us?
People say well they have done nothing yet. My lawyer described it best, the government isnt a speedboat that can turn fast, its a slow huge freighter. That takes a great amount of time to get on a new course but once it gets on that course and its in motion you are very fucked.

[GAMEFINEST]

tube is where it is at guys...

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

tubes are no different than broadcast television...give away content to attract traffic that advertisers pay for. Some tubes steal that content, some tubes don't. But there is nothing to stop them.

There will always be a mass of people that will pay for specific porn they like, even if they can get it free, because their morals tell them its stealing. Generally these are porn customers that go to church. There will also always be a mass of people that work hard to see your content for free, & would never pay for it. In the middle are the people that will pay if its hard to find free, but will not pay if its real easy. The paysite owner's only power is to make it as hard as possible for people to easily get their content for free, & try to maximize paying customers with benefits the tubes can't provide.

People in front of the tube revolution are making money by driving traffic to their sites from the tubes. If you cant beat em, join em...

Broadcast TV offers licensed content, most tubes offer stolen content.

[BV]

either way, tubes that offer full length videos, legal or not, they are doing the same thing CraigsList did to the classified add business of the Newspaper industry.

CraigsList took a 100's of millions of dollars business and killed it to make less than 10 million dollars.

This is what tube sites are doing that offer anything other than teaser clips. Period.

They are taking hundreds of millions of dollars out of membership sales across the board in order to make just a few sales.

There are a ton of people that can get off just fine on "Tube Quality" full length vids. (licensed or not)

These guys would have bought a membership somewhere.

Not any more.

Those days are over with for them.

Now the connoisseur that needs to get off on a certain niche or even micro niche, yes they might buy something. This is who we (the membership sites) are making money on now.

But all those other generic buyers that used to sign up to different sites in order to get full movie downloads, we are losing those sales right now. Day by day.

Congrats to all the winners!

BV

[BV]

Oh, I forgot to mention,

When you combine my above post along with the bad economy we are experiencing, .....

you can see the result!

a double whammy!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by BV

either way, tubes that offer full length videos, legal or not, they are doing the same thing CraigsList did to the classified add business of the Newspaper industry.

CraigsList took a 100's of millions of dollars business and killed it to make less than 10 million dollars.

This is what tube sites are doing that offer anything other than teaser clips. Period.

They are taking hundreds of millions of dollars out of membership sales across the board in order to make just a few sales.

There are a ton of people that can get off just fine on "Tube Quality" full length vids. (licensed or not)

These guys would have bought a membership somewhere.

Not any more.

Those days are over with for them.

Now the connoisseur that needs to get off on a certain niche or even micro niche, yes they might buy something. This is who we (the membership sites) are making money on now.

But all those other generic buyers that used to sign up to different sites in order to get full movie downloads, we are losing those sales right now. Day by day.

Congrats to all the winners!

BV

well said

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by BV

either way, tubes that offer full length videos, legal or not, they are doing the same thing CraigsList did to the classified add business of the Newspaper industry.

CraigsList took a 100's of millions of dollars business and killed it to make less than 10 million dollars.

This is what tube sites are doing that offer anything other than teaser clips. Period.

They are taking hundreds of millions of dollars out of membership sales across the board in order to make just a few sales.

There are a ton of people that can get off just fine on "Tube Quality" full length vids. (licensed or not)

These guys would have bought a membership somewhere.

Not any more.

Those days are over with for them.

Now the connoisseur that needs to get off on a certain niche or even micro niche, yes they might buy something. This is who we (the membership sites) are making money on now.

But all those other generic buyers that used to sign up to different sites in order to get full movie downloads, we are losing those sales right now. Day by day.

Congrats to all the winners!

BV

Great post. I think this often gets lost when people site current examples of free services being successful. It's like slash and burn farming in the rain forest. Idiots take the most fertile land on Earth and burn it so they can farm for three years, after which the ground is left barren. If they used sustainable methods they could farm there for generations. Like BV said, sure, Craigslist makes money giving a service away for free, but it killed a much bigger business to do so.

I know everyone seems to revel in the death of the newspapers for some reason but sites like MSNBC and CNN don't do any investigations like newspapers do. News websites just repackage AP reports in a colorful format with pictures and video. Newspaper investigations are the only things that keep the government somewhat honest.

Free comes with a cost.

I've often posted this and have yet to get a response. How many tube sites can the adult market bear? I bet it's less than 100. Do you think you'll be able to steal market share from tube8 when you are buying the same dirt cheap crap content as the next guy. Or stealing the same scenes? Nope.

So unless you own youporn or tube8 you shouldn't be so excited about the tube revolution because the market will only sustain a handfull of them.

[Si]

sorry sales are down?

[d-null]

BV summed it up perfectly


the people that run the tube sites are destroying the business for all of us

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by jdavis

Thanks for this new insight, we all had no clue what was up

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by tony404

A model based on theft is not a hot business model. Let me tell you whats going to happen because the industry doesnt learn. everyone is getting desperate so they are all going to go tube crazy using the adapt or die excuse. Well if I give it all away I will get traffic, lets not talk about the actual demographic of that traffic but hey its traffic.Then Governments will start banning porn off the net eventually ppv tv and the few surviving book stores will be the only places you will be able to get it. Giving away full scenes of porn just gives ammo to the religious extremes to fire at us with. Then someone will actually have the balls to say why are they picking on us? People say well they have done nothing yet. My lawyer described it best, the government isnt a speedboat that can turn fast, its a slow huge freighter. That takes a great amount of time to get on a new course but once it gets on that course and its in motion you are very fucked.

Once again, tony speaks the truth.

[Joshua G]

the government cant ban porn off the net if it tried. The foreign web will keep cyberspace saturated with all porn legal & illegal. the courts are filled up with dudes that jerk off. Porn, at least porn not deemed obscenity, is legal tender speech in the USA.
The religious crazys had their day with bushie & look how far they got in their crusade to prosecute obscenity. Max hardcore, & locals who cop pleas. They have tweaked 2257 to make it a pain in the ass for us. A few states give their locals a hard time. Its done nothing to stop the glut of porn production.
Tubes are just a conduit for a bigger thing, which is change. Our business model is changing & we need to change to find new ways to make the money. As long as you produce unique or compelling content you can bring in the customers. i think?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

the government cant ban porn off the net if it tried. The foreign web will keep cyberspace saturated with all porn legal & illegal. the courts are filled up with dudes that jerk off. Porn, at least porn not deemed obscenity, is legal tender speech in the USA.
The religious crazys had their day with bushie & look how far they got in their crusade to prosecute obscenity. Max hardcore, & locals who cop pleas. They have tweaked 2257 to make it a pain in the ass for us. A few states give their locals a hard time. Its done nothing to stop the glut of porn production.
Tubes are just a conduit for a bigger thing, which is change. Our business model is changing & we need to change to find new ways to make the money. As long as you produce unique or compelling content you can bring in the customers. i think?

This brand new tube site should help us sell and retain big boob memberships...

http://www.bigtits.com/

Tube Sites Suck Shit!

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

This brand new tube site should help us sell and retain big boob memberships...


Tube Sites Suck Shit!

Looked it over. That tube is the present & the future. It advertises pay sites, it has an easy to find dmca section. Bangbros & reality kings have their clips there. It can be an opportunity to generate traffic if they have a few of our clips, contingent on our watermark being present. This is a marketing opportunity more than a threat.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by BVF

[Voodoo]

What's a Tube?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by tony404

A model based on theft is not a hot business model. Let me tell you whats going to happen because the industry doesnt learn. everyone is getting desperate so they are all going to go tube crazy using the adapt or die excuse. Well if I give it all away I will get traffic, lets not talk about the actual demographic of that traffic but hey its traffic.Then Governments will start banning porn off the net eventually ppv tv and the few surviving book stores will be the only places you will be able to get it.
Giving away full scenes of porn just gives ammo to the religious extremes to fire at us with. Then someone will actually have the balls to say why are they picking on us?
People say well they have done nothing yet. My lawyer described it best, the government isnt a speedboat that can turn fast, its a slow huge freighter. That takes a great amount of time to get on a new course but once it gets on that course and its in motion you are very fucked.

Wait I thought you liked big government?

[mmcfadden]

saturday's seem like good days for porn though

[seeric]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

In my opinion Tube Sites and the bad economy are 85% of why sales are slow. Maybe add another 10% for torrents and file sharing, and then you can blame the remaining 5% on whatever you like.

agreed.

100000%

[tony286]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

the government cant ban porn off the net if it tried. The foreign web will keep cyberspace saturated with all porn legal & illegal. the courts are filled up with dudes that jerk off. Porn, at least porn not deemed obscenity, is legal tender speech in the USA.
The religious crazys had their day with bushie & look how far they got in their crusade to prosecute obscenity. Max hardcore, & locals who cop pleas. They have tweaked 2257 to make it a pain in the ass for us. A few states give their locals a hard time. Its done nothing to stop the glut of porn production.
Tubes are just a conduit for a bigger thing, which is change. Our business model is changing & we need to change to find new ways to make the money. As long as you produce unique or compelling content you can bring in the customers. i think?

People looking for free arent going to pay, they find something they like they will look for more of it for free not pay for it. Also how much of that traffic isnt even old enough to have a credit card? As far as governments never doing it.They are starting it in the uk with extreme, they are starting in Germany,Australia,Egypt and china.Never say never. Also 60 percent of porn buyers are in the good ole usa.So that gets turned off time to say good night.

[mmcfadden]

Good 'ol USA...

[AaliyahLove]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

In my opinion Tube Sites and the bad economy are 85% of why sales are slow. Maybe add another 10% for torrents and file sharing, and then you can blame the remaining 5% on whatever you like.

Give everything away for free, at a time where nobody wants to pay for non-essential needs, and this is what you get.

Point fingers and blame cross sales all you want, but those of you who are giving away tons of content for free are the true turncoats.

I do not offer cross sales (checked or unchecked) and I do agree that hidden cross sales are bullshit, but all of you who jump on the tube bandwagon are the ones who are doing the most damage by far.

you don't say.. LOL

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by BVF

[INever]

Niche content is the answer. That's why I am working on a TENTACLE DIAPER site for 2Q in 2009.

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

In my opinion Tube Sites and the bad economy are 85% of why sales are slow. Maybe add another 10% for torrents and file sharing, and then you can blame the remaining 5% on whatever you like.

Give everything away for free, at a time where nobody wants to pay for non-essential needs, and this is what you get.

Point fingers and blame cross sales all you want, but those of you who are giving away tons of content for free are the true turncoats.

I do not offer cross sales (checked or unchecked) and I do agree that hidden cross sales are bullshit, but all of you who jump on the tube bandwagon are the ones who are doing the most damage by far.

You figured it out. Give this man a cigar.

[Basic_man]

Tube sites are mostly low quality video... that's why you need to sell HD movies for download

[Iron Fist]

This thread delivers. Or rather, delivers what was already delivered a thousand times before.

[Si]

sales are down?

[spacedog]

When people complain about their sales being low, it is because they're too busy jerking off on GFY complaining about shit instead of WORKING.

I am busting my ass off 12-16 hours EVERY DAY, updating my sites, doing trades, or trying to and am constantly building new sites and shit as well as expanding into other niches and arenas previously not worked in...

Yes, I have to work MORE to make money, but the $$ is still there and I fully intend on squeezing every fucking penny I can out of every single user that lands on any of my sites or pages...

When was the last time you got off your fucking fat ass to spend a few hours arranging trades or link swaps?? Many of you are too fucking lazy and just slap up a linkex and then leave, doing nothing more than posting thousands of times your useless linkex spam farm url..

When was the last time you updated your blog, or were you too busy posting on GFY wasting time and MONEY while your blog was fed via RSS.

When was the last time you looked out of the box and tried something new without copying someone else or doing the same shit everyone else is doing?

When was the last time you analyzed your SE traffic to ascertain what it is your traffic wants so that you can provide it to them.

When was the last time you analyzed your SERP and keyword positions so to better your own rank and position, or were you too fucking busy trying to bring down your competitors.

Face it, the nature of this business is EXTREMELY cut throat and it will NEVER come together as a whole to put an end to many things that affect it.. Sure small groups will band together, but let's face it.. It's every man for himself... Fuck what everyone else is doing.. What are YOU going to do to make sure YOU are making money.

Stop looking for an angle or an out or any other scape goats and just WORK!!!!!!

When you find something that is making YOU money, you don't go around telling everyone.

You want to make money?? Drop the bigger sponsors and promote the smaller less promoted ones instead..

Drop the sponsors that do promos, contests and bonus days.. Those are a CLEAR INDICATION that you will NOT make any money.. What fucking makes you think you'll make money with that if everyone else and their fucking mother is promoting the same fucking shit!! Promote something the others are NOT!!

Just get off your fucking lazy fat ass and WORK instead of pissing and moaning about the goddamn tubes on GFY..

You fucking retards are the ones telling the surfers about the tubes by constantly announcing and posting them here... GFY is the LARGEST PORN SURFERS FORUM IN THE WORLD, yet you dumb fucks find it a good idea to alert everyone the creation of yet another source of fucking free porn.

If you're not making money, then you're definitely not WORKING.... Tubes are not to blame, nor is the economy... YOU ARE TO BLAME!

[INever]

Word. I'm starting a 2nd paysite of my all original material and have a mainstream site in the works. It's a LOT of fucking work.

[Lamis]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

In my opinion Tube Sites and the bad economy are 85% of why sales are slow. Maybe add another 10% for torrents and file sharing, and then you can blame the remaining 5% on whatever you like.

Give everything away for free, at a time where nobody wants to pay for non-essential needs, and this is what you get.

Point fingers and blame cross sales all you want, but those of you who are giving away tons of content for free are the true turncoats.

I do not offer cross sales (checked or unchecked) and I do agree that hidden cross sales are bullshit, but all of you who jump on the tube bandwagon are the ones who are doing the most damage by far.

Your numbers are wrong.

TORRENTS, REPRESENT AT LEAST 80% of the online porn Illegal downloads, via azureus, and file sharing via RapidShare, depositfiles, etc.

Tubes are NOTHING when you compare them with TORRENTS and File Sharing via forums. I repeat, Tubes are nothing in comparisson to Torrents and File Sharing. More than 90% of the webmasters have the inverse picture there and subestimate torrents and rapidshare links via forums.. And over estimate tubies.

Since most people in the biz have no fucking idea about this, then we are FAR AWAY to even TRY to solve the problem.

[BV]

Originally Posted by spacedog

When people complain about their sales being low, it is because they're too busy jerking off on GFY complaining about shit instead of WORKING.

I am busting my ass off 12-16 hours EVERY DAY, updating my sites, doing trades, or trying to and am constantly building new sites and shit as well as expanding into other niches and arenas previously not worked in...

Yes, I have to work MORE to make money, but the $$ is still there and I fully intend on squeezing every fucking penny I can out of every single user that lands on any of my sites or pages...

When was the last time you got off your fucking fat ass to spend a few hours arranging trades or link swaps?? Many of you are too fucking lazy and just slap up a linkex and then leave, doing nothing more than posting thousands of times your useless linkex spam farm url..

When was the last time you updated your blog, or were you too busy posting on GFY wasting time and MONEY while your blog was fed via RSS.

When was the last time you looked out of the box and tried something new without copying someone else or doing the same shit everyone else is doing?

When was the last time you analyzed your SE traffic to ascertain what it is your traffic wants so that you can provide it to them.

When was the last time you analyzed your SERP and keyword positions so to better your own rank and position, or were you too fucking busy trying to bring down your competitors.

Face it, the nature of this business is EXTREMELY cut throat and it will NEVER come together as a whole to put an end to many things that affect it.. Sure small groups will band together, but let's face it.. It's every man for himself... Fuck what everyone else is doing.. What are YOU going to do to make sure YOU are making money.

Stop looking for an angle or an out or any other scape goats and just WORK!!!!!!

When you find something that is making YOU money, you don't go around telling everyone.

You want to make money?? Drop the bigger sponsors and promote the smaller less promoted ones instead..

Drop the sponsors that do promos, contests and bonus days.. Those are a CLEAR INDICATION that you will NOT make any money.. What fucking makes you think you'll make money with that if everyone else and their fucking mother is promoting the same fucking shit!! Promote something the others are NOT!!

Just get off your fucking lazy fat ass and WORK instead of pissing and moaning about the goddamn tubes on GFY..

You fucking retards are the ones telling the surfers about the tubes by constantly announcing and posting them here... GFY is the LARGEST PORN SURFERS FORUM IN THE WORLD, yet you dumb fucks find it a good idea to alert everyone the creation of yet another source of fucking free porn.

If you're not making money, then you're definitely not WORKING.... Tubes are not to blame, nor is the economy... YOU ARE TO BLAME!

Says the man that started a thread here wanting to own a bot on ICQ.

"I'm just a sexy girl." hahahahaha

Now you're an expert on the industry?

Gimme a break...

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by BV

Says the man that started a thread here wanting to own a bot on ICQ.

"I'm just a sexy girl." hahahahaha

Now you're an expert on the industry?

Gimme a break...

Dude, get over it you asshole.. that was what, 7 years ago.. Whoopey doo, I chatted with a bot.. Grow the fuck up

[BV]

Originally Posted by spacedog

Whoopey doo, I chatted with a bot..

That has a nice ring to it.

But seriously, how do you go from chatting with a bot to being an expert on the industry???

Seriously, you think that everyone's sales are down because we are not working hard enough? tubes, torrents, the shitty economy,

none of that has anything to do with it?

is that what you are saying?

Simple logic disproves that.


I'd also like to say that congrats to you for working harder and actually making some money in this biz ,

But the fact of the matter is, no matter how hard you are working now and however much income you are getting from it, you are still not profiting as much as you could be if it was not for the problems many have described in the posts above.

Everyone's sales are down, from paysites, to content producers, to the card processors. There is a huge chunk of pie missing that people can get for free now.

That money is HISTORY.

None of us will ever see it again.

and it's just going to get worse.

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally Posted by Lamis

Your numbers are wrong.

TORRENTS, REPRESENT AT LEAST 80% of the online porn Illegal downloads, via azureus, and file sharing via RapidShare, depositfiles, etc.

Tubes are NOTHING when you compare them with TORRENTS and File Sharing via forums. I repeat, Tubes are nothing in comparisson to Torrents and File Sharing. More than 90% of the webmasters have the inverse picture there and subestimate torrents and rapidshare links via forums.. And over estimate tubies.

Since most people in the biz have no fucking idea about this, then we are FAR AWAY to even TRY to solve the problem.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by BV

That has a nice ring to it.

But seriously, how do you go from chatting with a bot to being an expert on the industry???

Seriously, you think that everyone's sales are down because we are not working hard enough? tubes, torrents, the shitty economy,

none of that has anything to do with it?

is that what you are saying?

Simple logic disproves that.


I'd also like to say that congrats to you for working harder and actually making some money in this biz ,

But the fact of the matter is, no matter how hard you are working now and however much income you are getting from it, you are still not profiting as much as you could be if it was not for the problems many have described in the posts above.

Everyone's sales are down, from paysites, to content producers, to the card processors. There is a huge chunk of pie missing that people can get for free now.

That money is HISTORY.

None of us will ever see it again.

and it's just going to get worse.

Are you fucking illiterate? You're asking me what I said? Why do I need to say it twice? Are you that fucking stupid that I need to provide you with clarification?

Apparently you do need clarification, since you completely got what I said all wrong.. Nice of you to add things I didn't even say or suggest.. That's typical of you.