cam_girls

AWE is a good acronym. Your logic is flawed, a couple sites used cheap domains
and lots of capital so therefore I'll need lots of capital?? I've already said I'll just
start small like many others that are doing well.

lazycash

You can make an acronym out of just about anything. Furthermore, the name of the affiliate program would have little impact on the overall success of the site. I wasn't going for some complex logic, but merely pointing out the facts. You can start small with a just a few girls, but you're still going to need immediate and continuous traffic to keep them happy or they'll be gone in three days. You're going to need high bandwidth hosting and a nice script, I'm sure you have that already. You'd be better off starting with streamate as your backend and doing a full white label with them like hotcams.com and a dozen other sponsors are doing.

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oldboy

You should have spent the money on livecams.com instead.

Slutboat

Hey Cam_Girls - hit me up on ICQ or email - I have a couple suggestions you might like..or even love

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MediaGuy

I only read the first page, and truly enjoyed the avatars in this thread... thank you.

:D

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cam_girls

It got more views than your interview.

rowan

cam_girls, you should meet AlphaSky. You'll get along famously.

Slutboat

Personally I like the dudes optimism. Hit me up I'd have something that may interest you and this shits too good to post here.

email me or ICQ

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raven1083

no clue.

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cam_girls

I sent you an email. If you didn't get it then try
sales AT camgirls DOT com

lazycash

How's that streamray cobrand working out for you?

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HorseShit

I'm sure he's making 10k a day with this by now

lazycash

More like $10/day, I know how bad cams.com converts.

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papill0n

now that is some funny shit

frank7799

Interesting read.

I´m not a webcam guru but I thought about the value of the domain.

How do you calculate the value of a domain? OK, if there is a program behind it, you can see what the entire company is worth, but that wouldn´t be the domain itself.

In this case the price was paid for the domain only, if I´m right. So it was a good investment if the domain bears interest for the investment and will not sustain depreciation?

I wonder if the domain will do so without any development and - if it needs development - if you could have done the same with another cheaper domain. If development is needed, the expenses add up to the purchasing price which will reduce the profit. If you can achieve the same result with another cheaper domain, it was overpriced.

So basically I think the domain was worth the price if it generates enough traffic for a good amount of signups without development and will keep its value in the future.

The problem is I can´t see that the domain will generate the needed signups itself. And building a new webcam company doesn´t need a premium domain name but a lot of capital and knowledge. This is proven by AWE.

Finally there is the risk that the domain can´t be sold at cost in the future.

Bossman

Its much more easy to brand a good domain - especially if you wish to go beyond affiliate marketing (even with only affiliate marketing you will get more potent traffic with a good domain). Once things go viral, then a good domain will pay itself many times over (easier to remember, tell others about etc.), and its much more likely to become part of the everyday slang/language itself, which will drive even more traffic.

A good domain with a good product + marketing plan will beat an average domain with good product + marketing plan. Now the question is just, if you can afford the good domain to get a head start for your good product and marketing plan.

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lazycash

I agree with most of that, but the domain owner seem to insinuate that the domain is so good it will brand itself. It may get a few type ins, but its going to still take plenty of money to brand the domain and get some recurring traffic coming in.

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epitome

I just wanted to weigh in with the fact that I am only a few weeks away from being a trillionaire.

My domain QueerLust.com is going to make trillions because my market research has shown me that 15% of the population is queer.

That is all.

cam_girls

Boo hoo hoo I hate you. You need a million dollars to make a website. You're not listening. You had to start in 1850. You need 1000 contacts in the industry. You haven't even fucked a queer. You think websites use domains. KweerCrap.com is better. You don't know how to advertise. You don't know how to use credit cards. It's just a niche. Too much competition. I'm an expert. You don't know shit. You're not replying. Listen when we tell you you're fucked.

PornMD

The domain isn't bad but isn't worth the price you paid given you did absolutely no legwork on what you were actually going to put ON it. The domain being a good one is great for SEO, branding and all that, but it's not as if that field isn't extremely competitive. That said, do talk to the people that are willing to help you out and hopefully learn stuff from them. The fact that you paid $350k for a domain that as an investment domain is probably $100k at best without ANY plan or clue on development is what people are giving you shit for, but the good news is that at the least, you have a strong domain now, so run with it and do something...something other than redirecting traffic or doing anything that doesn't take advantage of the quality of the domain, or you basically spent $350k on the type-in traffic the domain gets, which would obviously be a bad deal. You want to GROW the traffic and redirecting it won't grow shit.

One last thing - you mentioned somewhere in the middle of the thread "see what you can do with $10k in 10 years" or whatever tf you were saying on investing $10k. Funny that you should say that having dumped 6-figures on a domain...domain names CAN BE some of the best investments of money you can make, and a handful of people here including me make a living buying and selling domains, making insane ROIs. I started with the tiny bit of spare money I had and turned it into a 6-figures/year business in 3 years doing it part-time around my weak ass day job. I shouldn't have to tell you that though, because you should probably realize the person that sold you CamGirls.com made a nice chunk of profit.

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cam_girls

Frank sold his best domain to me, I bet he didn't know camgirl sites make a million $ a day.

Yes I know blah blah blah takes this and that, but 90% of category killer domains in profitable industries are successful sites.

papill0n

did you just describe yourself as an expert ?

lazycash

Nah, it appears his post was mocking everyone else in the thread that is trying to constructively give him some advice.

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mmcfadden

franck?? the dude who got kicked off this board sold the domain for 350K??

lazycash

No, that's Frank, a well known domainer, not Franck.

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darnit

Ill swap favoritecams.com for a low icq number.

cam_girls

funny I was going to mention low iq numbers after that "expert" post.

papill0n

talking of low numbers, hows that investment working out for you ?

Jdoughs

If this domain can make millions on its own, why hasn't it already?

Also, YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT.

This has to be a program owner who bought this and is about to release a site on it, and is fucking with us. Some pre-release promotion.

No way a real person can be this stupid.

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lazycash

Unfortunately it appears his naivety is matched by his arrogance, a sure fire combination for failure.

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cam_girls

That's 20 times you've said I'm going to fail, fuck off you moron

papill0n

thats what I keep thinking. Surely this is all a joke ?

cam_girls

Are you sure you can tell the diference?

lazycash

Never said you were going to fail, I hope you succeed at whatever you're trying to accomplish. Many of us with experience in the cam niche have tried to point you in the right direction and have corrected some of your erroneous numbers, but you just seem to ignore us, so good luck.

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ITT: Trolls Trolling Trolls Trolling Trolls

still fun to watch...

will76

The first thing you need to understand is that the traffic your domain produces is just a drop in the bucket of what you need to make a successful cam site. On top of that traffic is just one of the many parts of the equation you need to do flawlessly, and to take it one step further you need ALL parts to come together at the exact time to make the site succeed. Lots of traffic no girls on = fail. Lots of girls on, no traffic = fail. Girls and traffic and site breaks = fail. Girls, traffic, site works, and processing problems = fail. etc etc etc.

You say you make 30K a year off of sending all of your traffic to a cam site. ( I believe you said PPS). Thats about $82 a day or $3.42 an hour. If you are paying your girls 35% that means all of your chat host collectively would make $1.20 an hour. So if you have just 5 girls on, they make 24 cents an hour. I know you like to run calculations, so if you can appreciate and understand the one I just did you will see that you don't have even a fraction of the TRAFFIC you need to launch a cam site and make it stick. 0.24 an hour, you probably wont even be able to get the worst of the worst studio girls in 4th world countries to work for that. Even if you did, having really poor quality girls, your members will leave fast or never buy in the first place. If you have times with no chathost on then you have 0 percent chance to make money.

Keep in mind that the site you send your traffic to NOW, so you can make 30K a year ALWAYS has 100's of girls on, lots of variety and top quality girls. So you have a max potential to get your traffic to turn into paying customers and spend money. Switching that same traffic source to shit girls, and just a hand full to choose from, and you will likely make less as an "owner" than you would as an affiliate, under those circumstances.

My personal opinion is that you did well buying this domain name just for the simple fact that you sound like you are about 18 - 21 years old. 99% of the kids your age would have blown 350K in a couple years time on crap and have nothing to show for it. You invested into something safe with a positive cash flow and decent ROI.

You have to understand the value of a good domain.
1. self generated traffic (type ins) but this is just a fraction of what you would need for a cam site, so you MUST learn how to generate more traffic.
2. brandable, good for word of mouth and easy to remember. This "helps".
3. the value of the domain should go up or at least stay the same. Safer investment.

Your calculations of cams.com, livejasmin, etc... only proves that it is possible for you or anyone to have similar success and has nothing to do with the name of your domain. Livejasmin is a terrible cam site name imo, i wonder how many people type in livejasmine and it sounds like a solo girl site. Their success has nothing to do with their name but due to other factors.


We all started off as newbs, but most of us tried to learn early on as much as we could from others that were successfull, and what not to do from those that failed. The " i think I know it all because I can do some simple math and own a good domain " is the wrong attitude to have if you want to be successful. It is great to be excited, confident, but don't be nieve and foolish.

I think you made a GREAT decission to buy the domain with your money. Many others your age would have blown it. But I fear if you think you know it all, you will end up either selling the domain in a year or two to pay off debts from failed cam ventures or give away equity in the domain to someone to build you a cam site, and you wind up losing it. Just don't fuck with it, leave it alone. Make your 20K or 30K a year, bank it. Leave the domain alone, put a white label on it and build up a customer base. Make money and LEARN the in's and outs, especially how to generate MORE TRAFFIC. Save up that money and then if you want to try your own camsite, you have saved up some money over time to give it a shot ( a couple years from now would be my suggestion).

You have gotten a lot of good advice from good people, stop trying to convice the people who have been around the block a few times why you think they are wrong. You just got involved with this, instead of being defensive, stop and listen to them or you can learn the hard way on your own. it's your money and your choice...

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dav3

damn, great advice

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Cam_Girls :

I'm sorry but I respectfully withdraw my offer to you. This thread is FULL of Fantastic advice from lots of very smart people in the industry, and you are throwing all out. If we were going to partner up with someone on a LiveCamNetwork license, we would need them to be like some of the freaking brainiacs who have posted some top-level advice in this tread, not someone who throws it all away.

In my opinion, you have a great domain name. It's easily worth the $350,000 that was paid for it, but only to the right company or person that knows how to take serious advantage of it. So far I don't think that you are that person.

What you may want to consider doing is selling the domain and be happy with the quick return on your investment, or find a good partner who knows what they are doing, and then BACK AWAY and let that partner do their thing and make money with it.

Good luck to you.

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pentae

I'll buy camgirls.com off you for 30k

lazycash

Great advice Will, I agree with you that he should just do a white label and take the small profits assuming the type in traffic stays steady. He has no cash flow at all to develop anything so he'd have to give up a majority of his profits to bring in the necessary partners to complete the scope of project he keeps referring to. I also think he's quite a bit older than you presume. He's been posting on other forums for the last 6 years, mostly buying and selling small priced domains. I'm guessing he fell into a bunch of money, probably an inheritance and decided to spend it all on this domain.

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lazycash

I think you're smart Mark, I didn't say anything at the time because I didn't want to ruin the offer. I think you would have given him your license for free, because I don't think he would have ever gotten anything off the ground and you would have received 8.5% of nothing. I gotta disagree with you on him being able to get a quick return on the domain at the pricepoint he paid.

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mmcfadden

And how do you know he fell into a bunch of money and spent illwise?

Just asking... cause i got the same feeling. Anywho...

cam_girls

for the 3rd time I need an affiliate program. I have a great script in the works so it's just a couple thousand targeted hits a day I'm after. If I can keep a couple models online it should do ok, lots of sites are like that.

Anyone want to team up try me at sales AT camgirls DOT com

lazycash

I have no idea how he came up with the 300k, (he needed help to come up with the last 50k). In some of his other posts on another forum not so long ago he had trouble coming up with $60 to buy a domain, then a year later he has 300k to blow on one domain, hence my inheritance comment.

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lazycash

Get a product first and then work on the affiliate program. You're going to have an extremely difficult time attracting any affiliates to a cam site with just a couple of girls online, when they can send their traffic to programs offering $100+ per sale and have 100+ girls online.

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cam_girls

I was referring to white labels and 2much lack of affiliate programs, you can't add one when the site gets going.

cam_girls

What are you reading all my 950 posts? Weirdo

When did I ask for $60?

lazycash

Its comments like these that tell all of us that you really have no clue what you are doing.

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