lazycash

What's funny though is a couple months after you bought it you realized what a shitty domain it is and you post this:

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mmcfadden

cold feet...

350k... that's a downpayment and livin like a rockstar for 1 year... i'd get cold feet too.

cam_girls

I said I needed an affiliate program.

You said work that out later.

I clarified I was referring to Mark's offer as to why I wasn't interested.

Then you say that I have no clue.

More likely you can't follow an argument and resort to ad homs when it's pointed out.

I bought that domain 5 years ago you moron, not last year. I asked you WHEN did I post that.

lazycash

You said this in regard to an affiliate program, "you can't add one when the site gets going."

Can you explain why you said that?

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lazycash

Why do you keep referring to white labels when mentioning Mark (2much), he wasn't offering you a white label at all. I get the feeling you don't really understand what Mark was offering you.

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dav3

in before suicide

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cam_girls

good misquote moron.

cam_girls

That's why I said white label AND 2much, to note the difference. You don't read too well.

mmcfadden

Take care of your body. It's the only place you have to live.

cam_girls

That's a low blow, you get to work on the sites and I doubt you even have a degree in computer science!

lazycash

There, I quoted the whole thing, it was no intentional misquote. Please explain that statement.

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lazycash

It wasn't a low blow at all, it was some very sound advice. Its apparent to everyone in the couple of the threads regarding your domain that you don't know what you are doing and you'd be better off putting your project in the hands of someone who does.

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2MuchMark

Cam_Girls:

I'm not sure where you got this, but LiveCamNetwork isn't a White Label plug-in program. It's a complete system, installed on your domain, using your billing provider. It doesn't need a built-in affiliate program because you can use the affiliate program provided by your biller, or you can plug NATS in instead.

One good thing about this thread: We have been hit up twice (1 done deal, + 1 inquiry with tons of questions) already!

See everyone at Internext!

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cam_girls

How can you add an affiliate program when they host the script?

I asked Mark if he could add one and he didn't respond.

lazycash

What do you think hotcams.com is?

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cam_girls

I've programmed more websites than the 2 of you put together.

2MuchMark

Who here does? My programmers have all kinds of degrees, but my last formal computer training was in high school.. (Basic, Fortran, Cobol (wow!)). I did scream through 4 years of computer science in only 1 and a half years though which was pretty cool I think. (Worst subject: French!). Everything else, like 99% of the people here I think, is self taught.

You just reminded me. The best book I ever bought : "Learning HTML 3.1", back in 1996 or something like that. I still have it. It was the genisis of everything I do today. Cool..!

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cam_girls

Right they have an aff. program. I did enquire about that. But if a service doesn't have an affiliate program then it's unlikely to get one added.

lazycash

And you know this how?

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lazycash

Huh, you can add an affiliate program to just about anything at any time. Hotcams.com is a streamate cobrand, with a full backend of cams already going. Just like epiccams.com, slickcams.com and a dozen others are doing. I recommended you do the same thing two months ago.

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cam_girls

You don't come across as PHP and SQL gurus to me.

If you have some original code to demo then by all means.

cam_girls

They are all streamate, that's 1 white label who does it who haven't got back to me except 1 email.

lazycash

Are you emailing streamate or Mtree? You might have a hard time getting approved for one since you don't have a history of sales with them or large flow of traffic. However, they may work with you just based on your domain.

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cam_girls

Mtree, they said they'd test the traffic first as an affiliate. Then they didn't get back to me I'll follow it up.

lazycash

Well they want you to sign up as an affiliate and forward your domain to your affiliate link so they could see how much traffic you have. I had a feeling they'd say that, they don't have an open program where anyone can sign up for a white label and are picky who they choose to work with. I have over 5000 sales with them and last time I inquired they wouldn't give me one.

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cam_girls

Yeh I'll go ahead and contact them after a couple weeks forwarding traffic, they said they'd give me more info so I wasn't sure.

CYF

No offense but I think if you were such a php/sql guru you'd have some kind of custom site up after owning the domain for 5 years.

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Slutboat

Have you guys heard of Dave Matthews from esensual networks - he coded an pretty nice cam system with billing - http://www.esensualnetworks.com/services.php

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lazycash

Even if they don't grant you one, I think you'll find their affiliate program will pay you a nice $/unique since they count a sale simply when the surfer verifies his credit card, even if he never makes a purchase.

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will76

Well posting online for 6 years he could still be 21 years old. I started at 23 but I hear stories of how some of the people here started posting here when the where in high school, so no telling.

How the vast majority of millionaires are made:
- inheritance
- win lotto
- lawsuit

If you didn't make it on your own, chances are you got it from one of the above or daddy gave it to you, or you married rich.

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will76

i might be going out on a ledge here but 99% of the people in this industry who have been successful don't have a degree in computer science, althought im guessing that you took/take computer classes in college?



Looking like my guess is a pretty good one.


Question? what are you going to do with an affiliate program? If you get your white label site going with your affiliate program, you think thats the key to making millions, that easy, get an affiliate program and the affiliates will come with hoards of traffic.

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cam_girls

What kind of reversed negative logic beans are you guys all eating?
If I don't have an affiliate program it will never get big, unless I have a huge advertising program.

will76

the reality red bean, its a common bean that no one likes.

Before you can get big you need to start small and take baby steps, and have a good foundation of knowing what the fuck you doing. Getting big doesn't happen over night, and getting an affiliate program will not ensure that you get big, especially if you don't know what you are doing.

A common mistake a lot of programs make, not just you, is thinking I can just build a site get an affiliate program and make millions. To be completly honest with you, hearing the way you talk you not going to get very many people who want to sign up as an affiliate, of your white label site, to send you traffic.

True, without an affiliate program it will be very hard to be "huge" on your own, from just your own traffic. Especially if all of your traffic is type ins from 1 domain and you don't know how to generate other traffic on your own.

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MediaGuy

I don't really understand what you want... are you saying you would prefer to get 30% to 50% of the revenue you generate, instead of 100% from having your own system with your own billing?

2much doesn't offer a white label yet because we're in the business of building you a site you can create an affiliate program of your own for.

Which means you have to generate your own traffic. Either way.

You can join www.LCNCash.com which is www.LiveCamNetwork.com's affiliate program, and build your own site which is sorta what you do with a white label anyway but you still have to create traffic for it.

You could also give us a specific explanation of what you want and we could build it for you (and other affiliates), but a white label, affiliate program tool, or whatever, doesn't provide traffic.

Your domain would have to come with content and be ready for traffic, if you want to sell it to or partner with a cash program, which is something 2much can help you develop ...

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cam_girls

Are you big?

cam_girls

the affiliate program won't be embedded into the site.
I haven't used CCBill affiliates but a camgirl site needs IFRAMES and other tools

Pleasurepays

you're very thick.

but its funny.

the only way you will ever succeed is to abandon your misguided ideas of "what i need" and start listening to those who have been there, are there and who have done it many times.

starting with an affiliate program is a sure recipe for failure. you don't know the first thing about webmasters or running an affiliate program much less all the in's and outs of running a cam site, dealing with transaction processing, managing chargebacks/refunds and fraud and so on.

you see 2% of the picture and you think its 100%... and the 2% you do see, you really misunderstand.

i started in cams in jan 1998. it gets harder every year. you have the chance right now to stop... to learn, to learn about actually building traffic and managing traffic and converting traffic.. .but you don't want to. you want to pursue a path that's going to result in nothing but throwing huge amounts of money away. judging from everything i've seen... you don't have that money to lose or risk.

you could use the typins, throw up a white lable with revshare and build a growing stream of income WHILE you learn about traffic and learn to build up your own traffic. instead, as with everything else, you are totally blinded by your own ridiculous ideas of "how it is" and "all i need" and "livejasmin did this that and the other thing" and your venture is certain to crash and burn.

the first step in learning ... is understanding what you don't know.. and being willing to accept that you may not know anything.

the second... being willing to learn

so far... fail and fail.

cam_girls

yeh good advice - no affiliate program LOL

I've tested 2 white labels and 2 affiliate programs and another white label on the way. Is that OK with you?

pentae

Okay,

so heres a nice compromise, why don't you tell us if it was inheritance money, and if not, how you came up with the 350k, and we'll help you out with your site?

cam_girls

not inheritance

2 guesses left

will76

Everyone here is wrong, negative idiots that don't have a clue. You are right. Your math is proof that you are right, all you need to do is get 100 girls on at $5 min, etc. etc... slap an affiliate program on and you will be making like 10% of cams.com and livejasmin in a couple years.

Don't listen to us, you got it all worked out. Go ahead and get it going, and let us know how it works out for you.

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will76

If it is not one of the following i would be shocked:

inheritance
lotto (won gambling... scratch off, long shot at the track, the big prize on slot machine etc..)
won a lawsuit
got it from daddy
married rich got from wife / divorce settlement
an idiot loaned it to you

I forgot to add you could have stole it, but that is probably not the case as you would have been caught by now ;)

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Pleasurepays

have you thought about how you're going to fund an affiliate program? how much you're prepared to spend on marketing it? how are you going to cover the payouts to webmasters and models before your actually making a profit? do you even realize that paretos law applies to affiliate programs just as much as it does economic issues... that very few people have most of the traffic and they're not going to send it to you because you're a nobody that will probably go tits up like everyone else with a great idea?

you don't even seem to understand anything about traffic. quality of traffic. you spoke in terms of clicks/partnership. 1/2 the people on this board can send you 100-300k a day and you'll never get a single sale. you don't even understand the simple basics of traffic, managing traffic, filtering and targeting traffic and converting it into sales and so on.

how about this... open a cam review site like adult webcam faqs or whatever its called and tell me how many of those site are still online? probably 60-70% aren't.. they all had affiliate programs. can you even guess as to the many reasons they went tits up? you really have no idea. zero. why has ifriends who was once doing 200 mil + a year totally collapsed?

what about credit card processing? do you have the slightest clue how to manage fraud and chargebacks? do you understand that your precious domain will get blacklisted by Visa if you fuck up? Do you understand that a reliable IPSP like Epoch isn't going to talk to you because you have no clue and that they are going to ask you to prove you know what you're doing when it comes to high risk transactions like video chat and managing fraud before they'll even discuss this with you and you can't give better answer than "livejasmin X% with Xmodels = blah blah blah" do you think they do that for no reason at all?

do you think that's because all you need is an affiliate program and a domain and you'll be rich?

you are a child trying to march off into the forest with a hunt brown bear with a bb gun. all you want to talk about is how fast you can load your bb gun, how many bb's it holds and you've done nothing in your life but shit at squirrels and birds. how about you learn to shoot... start earning some revenue and buy a .22 and learn to shoot that. then earn a bit more and buy a .240 and learn to shoot that... then earn a bit more and buy a .300 mag and learn to shoot that. then... once you actually do have it figured out... but a .340 weatherby with an expensive scope and go for it.

lazycash

Very well put as usual, similar to what I've been trying to tell him. I keep thinking one of these posts is going to get through to him and he'll throw up his hands and say he's ready to learn from scratch and throw out all his pre conceived erroneous ideas about what he thinks he needs to do to build a successful cam site.

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zurc-net

I think $350k is reasonable, I am sure traffic and revenue had a lot to do with that price. If it was mine, you better believe I would be putting it to better use!

BradM

Oh... you're mentally slow. Now I get it.

ShellyCrash

The one thing everyone in this thread offering you advice has in common is that they ALL currently make a living doing business in the online adult space.

Keeping that in mind, do you think it's possible one of them might know what they are talking about? You've spoken to people at both Camz and 2much, live web cams is what these guys do.

I don't know what you do or where your money came from, but adult IS my day job. I moonlight and freelance mainstream business on the side. You don't earn a living off live cams, these guys do. If you're unwilling to learn from them then you really should try to sell the domain to someone who can make some money with it.

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BradM

Nope. He should put up an affiliate program and retire on it.

JamesK

you guys should seriously stop wasting time on this guy

there's plenty of people around that actually WANT help and are not as stubborn and retarded as him.

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