Obama in his own words saying His Health Care Plan will eliminate private insurance

[cykoe6]

As usual Obama's empty rhetoric attempts to mask the true nature of his unpopular big government polices.

[nation-x]

Only a retarded right winger would even give a fuck about your point.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by nation-x

Only a retarded right winger would even give a fuck about your point.

While I admire your well thought response....... I think the transition to a single payer government health care system (sold under the guise of having more "options" and "cutting costs") might be of interest to more than just "retarded right wingers."

I understand that you leftists are happy to use any measure of dishonesty or obfuscation to try and advance your big government agenda but that does not mean that the rest of us have to sit in silence and watch it happen.

[Fletch XXX]

One thing I notice about all this talk about US politics on GFY is most people who run their mouth arent even in the US.

Canadians and Europeans have more interest in Obama threads than I do as an American, that should tel ya something... which is why you dont see me arguing in obama threads but see lots of foreign locations

lolz

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

As usual Obama's empty rhetoric attempts to mask the true nature of his unpopular big government polices.

Wow you show shit from YEARS ago like it's suposed to mean something. I mean like how in 2000 Bush said he was against "nation building" then invades Iraq in 2003 in the name of nation building.

Honestly do you still hold ALL the same views you had years ago or perhaps did actually living life maybe causes you to change your views?

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

One thing I notice about all this talk about US politics on GFY is most people who run their mouth arent even in the US.

Canadians and Europeans have more interest in Obama threads than I do as an American, that should tel ya something... which is why you dont see me arguing in obama threads but see lots of foreign locations

lolz

I am a US taxpayer with US health insurance and my parents and extended family live in the US so I am pretty sure I have a right to an opinion.

[billyb]

Man I am glad the people are wakeing up to this guy. This is what he believes in plain and simple. He is a leftist and this is not surprising to anyone. The left has over stepped again, they took over the banks, they took over the car industry and now this.

Even in his own words people don't believe he means this, that is funny!.

[Hank_Heartland]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

While I admire your well thought response....... I think the transition to a single payer government health care system (sold under the guise of having more "options" and "cutting costs") might be of interest to more than just "retarded right wingers."

I understand that you leftists are happy to use any measure of dishonesty or obfuscation to try and advance your big government agenda but that does not mean that the rest of us have to sit in silence and watch it happen.

And where do you live? Just wondering

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

And where do you live? Just wondering

Location: EUSSR

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by billyb

Man I am glad the people are wakeing up to this guy. This is what he believes in plain and simple. He is a leftist and this is not surprising to anyone. The left has over stepped again, they took over the banks, they took over the car industry and now this.

Even in his own words people don't believe he means this, that is funny!.

Do we forget about the other presidents who bailed out the banks and card industries before? Just making sure you know it's not the left doing it.


And personally, let the insurance companies burn..... it's what they would do to you.

[billyb]

Who can forget GWB, who started this, but where is the change. Change is to do the opposite right?.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

One thing I notice about all this talk about US politics on GFY is most people who run their mouth arent even in the US.

Canadians and Europeans have more interest in Obama threads than I do as an American, that should tel ya something... which is why you dont see me arguing in obama threads but see lots of foreign locations

lolz

hes in russia!!

[Boobzooka]

Great! Kill them now. The quicker the better. Put some of them in jail too. Their corrupt scheme is evil. Any Americans who support the way the insurance companies have been running healthcare simply must have Stockholm syndrome. There's no other sane explanation.

If you don't hate the American health insurance industry already, you just haven't gotten sick enough yet.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by billyb

Man I am glad the people are wakeing up to this guy. This is what he believes in plain and simple. He is a leftist and this is not surprising to anyone. The left has over stepped again, they took over the banks, they took over the car industry and now this.

Even in his own words people don't believe he means this, that is funny!.

You=TARD

FACTS

given the opportunity to get rid of "socialized" programs like Social Security( hell socialism is IN the name for Christ's sake ) and Medicare all the anti-government idiots would vote to KEEP both programs. Hmmmm. Ron Paul might be the lone exception. Please explain the others.

all members of Congress INCLUDING the anti-government run healthcare people get their insurance from THE GOVERNMENT. if it's so bad why do they use it.

Nearly ALL anti-government run healthcare people will use medicare and cash their SS checks when they are old enough to receive benefits. HYPOCRISY anyone?

And of course ALL the anti-government people that claim the government is at best incompetent and at worst corrupt, perhaps both, are part of that government. So they are essentially admitting they are either incompetent and/or corrupt.

[Billionaire]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Canadians and Europeans have more interest in Obama threads than I do as an American, that should tel ya something...
lolz

It does tell you something that you won't understand.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Billionaire

It does tell you something that you won't understand.

Arguing about Obama on GFY with a bunch of foreigners is about as educational as taking a shit.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Boobzooka

Any Americans who support the way the insurance companies have been running healthcare simply must have Stockholm syndrome. There's no other sane explanation.

If you don't hate the American health insurance industry already, you just haven't gotten sick enough yet.

That's the irony there's is not ONE person that hasn't bitched about how much their health insurance company is fucking them over them they turn around and get mad when the government tries to do something about it. I do not want to hear ONE of these Obama haters to EVER bitch about their health insurance ever again. You appearantly want the staus quo so stop bitching about it.

[billyb]

GatorB, I am not going to call you a stupid name like tard!. I would get rid of all of these socialised bullshit! programs. That's the facts, SS gone, medicare gone and so on. I wish Ron Paul had a chance to be elected, but the suckers! that rely on government for their existence will never let that happen.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

As usual Obama's empty rhetoric attempts to mask the true nature of his unpopular big government polices.

Considering insurance companies are the main cause of the high costs for medical treatment in this country.. I hope they do get eliminated. A industry whom is trusted with the health of this country, yet chooses to profit over paying out premiums, deserves to die.

I just don't think anyone including Obama would have the balls to do it.

[Slick]

Originally Posted by crockett

Considering insurance companies are the main cause of the high costs for medical treatment in this country.. I hope they do get eliminated. A industry whom is trusted with the health of this country, yet chooses to profit over paying out premiums, deserves to die.

I just don't think anyone including Obama would have the balls to do it.

I agree with you 100%

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by billyb

Man I am glad the people are wakeing up to this guy. This is what he believes in plain and simple. He is a leftist and this is not surprising to anyone. The left has over stepped again, they took over the banks, they took over the car industry and now this.
.

Bush bailed the banks out not Obama, so you better wake up yourself and realize they are all fucking us from both sides. George Washington said that if this country was to fail it would because political parties and sadly I think he was right.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Wow you show shit from YEARS ago like it's suposed to mean something. I mean like how in 2000 Bush said he was against "nation building" then invades Iraq in 2003 in the name of nation building.

lol and that was like... wait for it.. a LIE ... Bush told the conservatives who wanted to hear just that.. Yep politicians don't lie, they just change their mind all the time

[bronco67]

Even a semi-conservative like myself can see that this video is BS.

[billyb]

OK your telling me Oboma has not continued to give banks anymore money?, wow!. Yes Washington was correct and if you read any of my post, both parties are corrupt.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

As usual Obama's empty rhetoric attempts to mask the true nature of his unpopular big government polices.

[Nikki_Licks]

Looks like he is going to play a big part in the health care system...

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Looks like he is going to play a big part in the health care system...

Why would you even post that racist shit? Because you are a stupid motherfucker or just because you are a racist?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by nation-x

Why would you even post that racist shit? Because you are a stupid motherfucker or just because you are a racist?

It is as racist as this:

http://www.politicalbyline.com/wp-co...tch-doctor.jpg

or this

http://www.pissedonpolitics.com/bush_hitler.jpg

or any of these

http://www.freakingnews.com/George-W...ures---528.asp

Why cant you get past skin color?

[cybermike]

The clips in the video arent new and have been around for a while.. just because its in a new video and posted all over drudge doesn't make it new

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by nation-x

Why would you even post that racist shit? Because you are a stupid motherfucker or just because you are a racist?

Actually, I did not think of it as racists, too bad you did. I actually found it funny.....

.

[96ukssob]

most of this is because of the bullshit prices that doctors and medical offices have to pay for insurance.

my family doctor had to close up shop about 3 years ago because of medical malpractice insurance got to expensive. my parents super fat neighbor sued his surgeon twice because he said he botched his knee replacement. well if you weight 400+ pounds, you shouldnt be trying to play basketball.

sick how this country is setup sometimes. if i dont like what the doctor did or prescribed, i can sue and most likely win

[the.drunk]

will never happen

[Billionaire]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Arguing about Obama on GFY with a bunch of foreigners is about as educational as taking a shit.

There is much to be educated about from shit.

[epitome]

Single payer system is the only way to go.

If there is a private component, then the insurance companies are only going to take the healthy and dump the unhealthy onto the government.

What the GOP doesn't want to admit is that the single payer system will save the U.S. money.

Otherwise, private insurance companies reap profits from the healthy and the Treasury takes on the unhealthy.

Stop listening to lobbyists, think tanks and politicians and use some common sense.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

One thing I notice about all this talk about US politics on GFY is most people who run their mouth arent even in the US.

The irony is that the OP has EUSSR as their location.

Urban dictionary defines this as:

This is an emphasis on the congealed mess that the bureaucratic superstate that the EU (European Union) is similar to the USSR, in that it is a politically left leaning, bureaucratic purveyor of Marxism and red tape.

...stop talking about our continent and fix yours...

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by bossku69

most of this is because of the bullshit prices that doctors and medical offices have to pay for insurance.

my family doctor had to close up shop about 3 years ago because of medical malpractice insurance got to expensive. my parents super fat neighbor sued his surgeon twice because he said he botched his knee replacement. well if you weight 400+ pounds, you shouldnt be trying to play basketball.

sick how this country is setup sometimes. if i dont like what the doctor did or prescribed, i can sue and most likely win

Actually, in most cases, you wouldn't win.

But unfortunately, the reason for that is that in the US, many doctors choose to practice "defensive medicine". That includes things like doing tests which are useless in a specific case merely because showing that you have done them comes in handy in a court case, or performing procedures which are utterly unnecessary but in court cases could be used as proof that the "highest possible standard of care" was delivered.

Here are two good pieces on it:
http://www.aaos.org/news/bulletin/ja.../clinical2.asp
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...ct/293/21/2609

If you look at the stats reported in those articles, it's clear that incredible amounts of money are being thrown away to protect doctors from lawsuits.

Still, it definitely is only part of the problem.

Private insurance companies do play a large role in driving up costs. Just look at California, where their profits and administrative costs combined add up to more than $10 billion a year. (source: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/112837.php )

Also, keep in mind that they have a tendency to pass on costs to the taxpayer anyway, by refusing patients with pre-existing conditions and thus only taking the least costly customers.

[Spudstr]

I wouldn't mind a goverment sort of healthcare.... I mean whats the highest cost asisde from mortgage/rent people pay each month? Healthcare.

How many people do you know have died due to not being able to have medical coverage or had to file for bankruptcy due to medical bills? You think 500k or 1mil coverage is enough? Think again a few days in ICU and related operations will kill that coverage real fast.

The health industry is one of the biggest scams in the world. Charging people outrageous rates for basic items like gloves, syringes etc.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by billyb

GatorB, I am not going to call you a stupid name like tard!. I would get rid of all of these socialised bullshit! programs. That's the facts, SS gone, medicare gone and so on. I wish Ron Paul had a chance to be elected, but the suckers! that rely on government for their existence will never let that happen.

YOU would but YOU are not in Congress. And guess what, if Ron Paul had been elected president it is still CONGRESS that passes the laws. The president either vetoes or signs them into law. So a Ron Paul presidency wouldn't change a thing. Get 218 Ron Pauls in the House and at least 51 in the Senate and guess what you change things. More moderate republicans and conservative democrats are too scared to vote libertarian because they fear the other side would win. The fact is voters who claim no political affialtion outnumber either the repubs or dems. Even Ron Paul has to call himself a republican to get elected even though he's a libertarian. And if Ron Paul was half the hero his fans think he is he would have run and independant campaign in 2008 after getting subbed by the GOP. If he did Obama would probably still won but the electoral count would have been closer and Obama wouldn't have had 50% of the popular vote so he wouldn't have a mandate. All that extra attention to him and his ideas could have started a movement that brought more attention and money to Libertarian candidates.

[_Richard_]

thank you for the example of what prejudice can do to the ability of the mind to understand simple words.

here is something to think about (and argue with, for that matter).. if it's so terrible, why would it succeed? wouldn't everyone just go for the private insurance option? they said a zillion times now that the private health option is still going to be there.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

thank you for the example of what prejudice can do to the ability of the mind to understand simple words.

here is something to think about (and argue with, for that matter).. if it's so terrible, why would it succeed? wouldn't everyone just go for the private insurance option? they said a zillion times now that the private health option is still going to be there.

It's sad that I have to say this so often, but...

COMMON SENSE IS NOT ALLOWED ON GFY!

If you're going to make sense and make valid arguments, you're not welcome here! ;)

Now, let me buy you a beer. Oh wait, since the racists are usually homophobic too, I am not trying to molest or convert the guy, OK?

[Brujah]

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

thank you for the example of what prejudice can do to the ability of the mind to understand simple words.

here is something to think about (and argue with, for that matter).. if it's so terrible, why would it succeed? wouldn't everyone just go for the private insurance option? they said a zillion times now that the private health option is still going to be there.

No because the government can rig the game, just like they have been for years.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

No because the government can rig the game, just like they have been for years.

it would be easier faking a moon landing than 'rigging' the free market.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by epitome

It's sad that I have to say this so often, but...

COMMON SENSE IS NOT ALLOWED ON GFY!

If you're going to make sense and make valid arguments, you're not welcome here! ;)

Now, let me buy you a beer. Oh wait, since the racists are usually homophobic too, I am not trying to molest or convert the guy, OK?

i apologize, sincerely. It just keeps demanding to come out in spoken word.

This dude especially gets that sort of attention from me because i think he's smart enough to do a lot of good...

...rather than spew propaganda for an entirely (cough cough) different nation about a service he already enjoys.

Hope you like Stella Artois!

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it would be easier faking a moon landing than 'rigging' the free market.

Um we are not in a free market. And it is really easy to pass laws that make it hard to do business and make it an even less of a "free market".

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Um we are not in a free market. And it is really easy to pass laws that make it hard to do business and make it an even less of a "free market".

jesus dude, when did we get to the point where i have to specify every word i use?

'the best example of a free market we have'

same goes for any sort of example i use for freedom.

furthermore, i respect your opinion and most everything you say, but when did you get in bed with the corporates?

these people are raising rates and laughing at the numbers. I wonder if these current rate increases are to pay for the amount of propaganda being spewed out.

For example, the repubs just put up a canadian woman saying she had to mortgage her house to get an operation.

lets say that again. she mortgaged her house for a 100k operation that she could have gotten THAT day for FREE in Canada if it had been life threatening. She could have gotten it FREE if she simply just waited in line so people who needed it could get the operation THAT day. it's so terrible, they are promoting our healthcare without even realizing it.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

wouldn't everyone just go for the private insurance option? they said a zillion times now that the private health option is still going to be there.

what they are saying is an outright lie.

if you care to read the entire 900+ page bill in the house http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

page 16 has a provision under the heading Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage... it does nothing of the sort. It basically eliminates the private option over time. Just like Obama states as his goal in the above video.

Maybe I should believe what they tell me instead of my lying eyes when I read the bill..

[Mr Pheer]

I wish we could fire all of the politicians and just start over.

[CheeseFrog]

Great news! So by the very act of Obama saying this will eliminate privatized insurance, that pretty much guarantees it WON'T HAPPEN! :D

[Rangermoore]

Do you believe that YOU and everybody else will get the same kind of healthcare that the morons in congress get?

Originally Posted by GatorB

You=TARD

FACTS

given the opportunity to get rid of "socialized" programs like Social Security( hell socialism is IN the name for Christ's sake ) and Medicare all the anti-government idiots would vote to KEEP both programs. Hmmmm. Ron Paul might be the lone exception. Please explain the others.

all members of Congress INCLUDING the anti-government run healthcare people get their insurance from THE GOVERNMENT. if it's so bad why do they use it.

Nearly ALL anti-government run healthcare people will use medicare and cash their SS checks when they are old enough to receive benefits. HYPOCRISY anyone?

And of course ALL the anti-government people that claim the government is at best incompetent and at worst corrupt, perhaps both, are part of that government. So they are essentially admitting they are either incompetent and/or corrupt.