Here's a little Business Tip... Instead of saying Adapt Or Die you should be saying.. - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 09-03-2009, 09:07 PM

A lot of you harp on the Adapt or Die statement regarding tubes. It's the wrong statement. The correct statement regarding your business (whether it applies to tubes or whatever) is INNOVATE OR DIE!

The leaders in our industry and others apply that saying continually. Think of TGPs. Would they be hurting as bad as they are if they applied that? Absolutely not. You can complain about what's wrong with the industry. But at the end of the day be sure to look at your business and remember to INNOVATE OR DIE!!!

Yngwie · 09-03-2009, 09:10 PM

ya, adapting is simply doing what everyone else is doing and that will not increase your bottom line. Shap is correct.. INNOVATE OR DIE! Problem is, to many people will just follow that few that innovate and not really accomplish anything.

Nicky · 09-03-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Yngwie

ya, adapting is simply doing what everyone else is doing and that will not increase your bottom line. Shap is correct.. INNOVATE OR DIE! Problem is, to many people will just follow that few that innovate and not really accomplish anything.

Many will follow, some will have remote success, many will fail. That's why as you guy's say. Be the innovator! Or atleast be close to him/her

Shap · 09-03-2009, 09:17 PM

I can't take credit for coming up with it. I read it in this month's Success magazine. Here is part of the article.

I could not have said the following better. Reading it gets me fired up

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I define innovation as the never-ending pursuit of something better. This is the defining spirit of the entrepreneur?the desire to improve, refine and streamline the old ways of doing things to improve the quality of our work and our lives.

In business, as well as life, it is innovate or die. If you aren?t improving, you are falling behind. You cannot stand still. In today?s fast-paced, ever-evolving global marketplace, if you aren?t innovating and moving forward, you are effectively moving backward and the world is speeding by you.

Innovation isn?t some big-bang happening. It is something you do every day by constantly challenging your status quo: your ideas, systems, processes, policies, behaviors and assumptions. What has become an adage is now true more than ever: ?If it ain?t broke, break it.? To avoid extinction, change is not only inevitable, it is a necessity.
-----
You can read the rest here
http://darrenhardy.success.com/2009/...ge-creativity/

Sausage · 09-03-2009, 09:23 PM

Adult stopped innovating 4+ years ago.

Every new site or promotion model has been taken from mainstream.

Ice · 09-03-2009, 09:24 PM

I agree... why adapt... you just admit that you have lost and can't do anything about it.

Before tube sites people bitched about tgp's. There is always going to be something new that will come out.

I could write a novel about why the industry is the way it is today but at the end it's not going to change anything.

Evolve and innovate to get back what is lost from the free porn.

Jman · 09-03-2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

A lot of you harp on the Adapt or Die statement regarding tubes. It's the wrong statement. The correct statement regarding your business (whether it applies to tubes or whatever) is INNOVATE OR DIE!

The leaders in our industry and others apply that saying continually. Think of TGPs. Would they be hurting as bad as they are if they applied that? Absolutely not. You can complain about what's wrong with the industry. But at the end of the day be sure to look at your business and remember to INNOVATE OR DIE!!!

I have the honor of working with people who think like you.

Anyone that says business is dead because of this and that is ONLY a finger pointer...

mynameisjim · 09-03-2009, 09:38 PM

Most successful businesses just did things a little bit better than the last guy. So hopefully that gives people some hope, you don't always have to reinvent the wheel, just make the wheel a little better.

Google didn't invent search engines or PPC advertising, they just made it a little better.

Apple didn't invent the MP3 player or the smartphone, they just made it a little bit better.

Facebook didn't invent social networking, they just made it a little better.

The list goes on and on.

SleazyDream · 09-03-2009, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

A lot of you harp on the Adapt or Die statement regarding tubes. It's the wrong statement. The correct statement regarding your business (whether it applies to tubes or whatever) is INNOVATE OR DIE!

The leaders in our industry and others apply that saying continually. Think of TGPs. Would they be hurting as bad as they are if they applied that? Absolutely not. You can complain about what's wrong with the industry. But at the end of the day be sure to look at your business and remember to INNOVATE OR DIE!!!

i'm soo fucking sick of people saying porn is bad and then keep working in or comming back to it

shap has said probally the smartest thing I've heard all day

sheep follow and copy
leaders create and innovate

stickyfingerz · 09-03-2009, 10:08 PM

Innovate and protect your fuckin content people.

Jakke PNG · 09-03-2009, 11:32 PM

Why innovate when you can imitate? :P

SleazyDream · 09-04-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

Why innovate when you can imitate? :P

baaaaaaa - hey is that a cliff???? mmmm sexy

Robbie · 09-04-2009, 12:33 AM

One old saying is definitely applying to my situation:
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

This fucking piracy shit has damn near destroyed paysite sales. But it has also caused me to bust my ass and optimize everything I have to it's utmost money making potential.

One thing is for sure...when the solution to piracy finally comes down from the courts and an end is put to it...My shit is going to absolutely blow up.

Grampland.Com is the absolute best free site I've ever been involved with. And I'm lucky to get much traffic to it at all. Why would anyone bother coming to me when they can get entire members areas for free? But once that stops? I have my shit down solid. I'm still making good money off of next to nothing traffic numbers.

Let me get back up to a million uniques a day and I'd be the damn Scrooge McDuck of porn. lol

SleazyDream · 09-04-2009, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

One old saying is definitely applying to my situation:
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

This fucking piracy shit has damn near destroyed paysite sales. But it has also caused me to bust my ass and optimize everything I have to it's utmost money making potential.

One thing is for sure...when the solution to piracy finally comes down from the courts and an end is put to it...My shit is going to absolutely blow up.

Grampland.Com is the absolute best free site I've ever been involved with. And I'm lucky to get much traffic to it at all. Why would anyone bother coming to me when they can get entire members areas for free? But once that stops? I have my shit down solid. I'm still making good money off of next to nothing traffic numbers.

Let me get back up to a million uniques a day and I'd be the damn Scrooge McDuck of porn. lol

you've always had good shit

Shap · 09-04-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

Why innovate when you can imitate? :P

Innovate is taking ideas and improving on them. It doesn't necessarily mean re-inventing the wheel.

If you aren't innovating you are probably doing nothing or copying.

B2BwithJoeD · 09-04-2009, 07:45 AM

"If it ain't broke, break it!"

Thanks for the motivational thread, Shap

BUSINESS IS BUSINESS

gideongallery · 09-04-2009, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

A lot of you harp on the Adapt or Die statement regarding tubes. It's the wrong statement. The correct statement regarding your business (whether it applies to tubes or whatever) is INNOVATE OR DIE!

The leaders in our industry and others apply that saying continually. Think of TGPs. Would they be hurting as bad as they are if they applied that? Absolutely not. You can complain about what's wrong with the industry. But at the end of the day be sure to look at your business and remember to INNOVATE OR DIE!!!

the problem is that there are no innovative webmasters here, most copy other people stuff and call it innovation.

adapt or die is only valid statement for these webmasters.

Fletch XXX · 09-04-2009, 07:48 AM

innovation? where? Havent seen much at all in the past years... lol

Qbert · 09-04-2009, 07:50 AM

"adapt or die"... "innovate or die"... both are just rhetoric and boil down to essentially the same thing. Don't just keep doing the same old thing if it's no longer working.

Shap · 09-08-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Qbert

"adapt or die"... "innovate or die"... both are just rhetoric and boil down to essentially the same thing. Don't just keep doing the same old thing if it's no longer working.

Actually you should never keep doing the same old thing. Because before you know it it will be old and then it will be too late to change.

NaughtyRob · 09-08-2009, 04:04 PM

Yeah I agree, its more like innovate and diversify or die.

wargames · 09-08-2009, 04:07 PM

Great threads lately Shap

I got a new one for you

Protect your content or die

Riffhard · 09-08-2009, 04:09 PM

I'm gonna start a free dating site. Then I'm gonna advertise paysites on it. awesome, right?

WiredGuy · 09-08-2009, 04:12 PM

Adapt or die = followers
Innovate or die = leaders

Where do you want to be

WG

Agent 488 · 09-08-2009, 04:14 PM

adapt or die.

xxweekxx · 09-08-2009, 04:16 PM

innovation makes sense.. no need copying everyone else...

We've seen hidden cross sales, cross sales below join form, etc..

Im almost done with my new paysite, will payout $100 per join..

We will have disappearing cross sale.. yes..

Basically, it will appear for 1 second then vanish.. magic..

Also thinking of cross sale in a different language.. so if the user is american, the cross sale will be in chinese or romanian..

We could also have pre checked cross sales that bill you when you UNCHECK..

These are all innovations and ill make a lotta $$. . yea?

Also been thinking of cross sales that rebill after 60 seconds. sounds good to

xxweekxx · 09-08-2009, 04:23 PM

Heres one of our cross sales?Innovation =)

X By Unchecking/Checking this box, you agree to signup for a free 60 second trial to XXXwild, which recurs at $39.97/month.

Best of all its a disappearing cross sale.. comes and goes.. =0

Shap · 09-08-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Adapt or die = followers
Innovate or die = leaders

Where do you want to be

WG

Exactly!

Voodoo · 09-08-2009, 05:19 PM

If you're not part of the solution... You are part of the problem.

Voodoo · 09-08-2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Adapt or die = followers
Innovate or die = leaders

Where do you want to be

WG

You sound like a Visa Commercial.

marketsmart · 09-08-2009, 05:22 PM

i would rather let other people innovate and then just steal their shit....

xxweekxx · 09-08-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i would rather let other people innovate and then just steal their shit....

smart man

Twig · 09-08-2009, 05:39 PM

Flood the market with copies or die!!

BlackCrayon · 09-08-2009, 05:50 PM

Very smart statement. However until content theft gets regulated I think its best, for myself anyhow, to find a business were people can't get what you are selling for free at the click of a mouse.

Agent 488 · 09-08-2009, 05:54 PM

sausage had the best point thus far: innovation in adult now means who can execute mainstream ideas in adult first.

NaughtyRob · 09-08-2009, 08:38 PM

First to market is very important yes but you gotta also do it right.

woj · 09-08-2009, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

We could also have pre checked cross sales that bill you when you UNCHECK..

Hey, that's actually innovative... "You will buy a 2nd subscription to xyz site at $49.99/month unless you keep this checkbox checked"

BaldBastard · 09-08-2009, 09:44 PM

maybe we could take the tube scenario and apply it to the real world gotta be huge cash in it?

For Example: Buy a shoe shop, go round all your competitors and steal all their stock and then put it in your store and give it away FREE, you make your money from selling shoe shine at the counter, gotta sell 1 tin every 1000 pairs you give away at least.

Fortunes just waiting to be made!

SeanLEE · 09-08-2009, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

maybe we could take the tube scenario and apply it to the real world gotta be huge cash in it?

For Example: Buy a shoe shop, go round all your competitors and steal all their stock and then put it in your store and give it away FREE, you make your money from selling shoe shine at the counter, gotta sell 1 tin every 1000 pairs you give away at least.

Fortunes just waiting to be made!

the Shemp · 09-08-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Actually you should never keep doing the same old thing. Because before you know it it will be old and then it will be too late to change.

Are you giving Thumbzilla a makeover?

Semi-Retired-Dave · 09-08-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

maybe we could take the tube scenario and apply it to the real world gotta be huge cash in it?

For Example: Buy a shoe shop, go round all your competitors and steal all their stock and then put it in your store and give it away FREE, you make your money from selling shoe shine at the counter, gotta sell 1 tin every 1000 pairs you give away at least.

Fortunes just waiting to be made!

That was very well said.

fuzebox · 09-08-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

Hey, that's actually innovative... "You will buy a 2nd subscription to xyz site at $49.99/month unless you keep this checkbox checked"

I have seen this done with opt in email checkboxes.

DamageX · 09-08-2009, 10:43 PM

How about CHEAT, STEAL, LIE OR DIE!? Seems to be working for many in this industry.

Agent 488 · 09-09-2009, 06:17 AM

mainstream is worse. at least you get some kind of product in adult. mainstream is a cesspool of ponzi schemes and outright fraud atm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

How about CHEAT, STEAL, LIE OR DIE!? Seems to be working for many in this industry.

09-03-2009, 09:07 PM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Here's a little Business Tip... Instead of saying Adapt Or Die you should be saying.. A lot of you harp on the Adapt or Die statement regarding tubes. It's the wrong statement. The correct statement regarding your business (whether it applies to tubes or whatever) is INNOVATE OR DIE! The leaders in our industry and others apply that saying continually. Think of TGPs. Would they be hurting as bad as they are if they applied that? Absolutely not. You can complain about what's wrong with the industry. But at the end of the day be sure to look at your business and remember to INNOVATE OR DIE!!!

09-03-2009, 09:10 PM	#2
Yngwie I am an Alien from space Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,118	ya, adapting is simply doing what everyone else is doing and that will not increase your bottom line. Shap is correct.. INNOVATE OR DIE! Problem is, to many people will just follow that few that innovate and not really accomplish anything. __________________ ICQ: 16544251 - Skype: gator37 @ eastlink.ca - email: yngwie @ isys.ca

09-03-2009, 09:24 PM	#6
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	I agree... why adapt... you just admit that you have lost and can't do anything about it. Before tube sites people bitched about tgp's. There is always going to be something new that will come out. I could write a novel about why the industry is the way it is today but at the end it's not going to change anything. Evolve and innovate to get back what is lost from the free porn. __________________ icq 1904905

09-03-2009, 09:38 PM	#8
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	Most successful businesses just did things a little bit better than the last guy. So hopefully that gives people some hope, you don't always have to reinvent the wheel, just make the wheel a little better. Google didn't invent search engines or PPC advertising, they just made it a little better. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player or the smartphone, they just made it a little bit better. Facebook didn't invent social networking, they just made it a little better. The list goes on and on. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

09-03-2009, 11:32 PM	#11
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Why innovate when you can imitate? :P __________________ ..and I'm off.

09-03-2009, 09:17 PM	#4
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I can't take credit for coming up with it. I read it in this month's Success magazine. Here is part of the article. I could not have said the following better. Reading it gets me fired up --------- I define innovation as the never-ending pursuit of something better. This is the defining spirit of the entrepreneur?the desire to improve, refine and streamline the old ways of doing things to improve the quality of our work and our lives. In business, as well as life, it is innovate or die. If you aren?t improving, you are falling behind. You cannot stand still. In today?s fast-paced, ever-evolving global marketplace, if you aren?t innovating and moving forward, you are effectively moving backward and the world is speeding by you. Innovation isn?t some big-bang happening. It is something you do every day by constantly challenging your status quo: your ideas, systems, processes, policies, behaviors and assumptions. What has become an adage is now true more than ever: ?If it ain?t broke, break it.? To avoid extinction, change is not only inevitable, it is a necessity. ----- You can read the rest here http://darrenhardy.success.com/2009/...ge-creativity/

09-03-2009, 09:23 PM	#5
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Adult stopped innovating 4+ years ago. Every new site or promotion model has been taken from mainstream.

09-03-2009, 10:08 PM	#10
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Innovate and protect your fuckin content people.

09-04-2009, 12:33 AM	#13
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	One old saying is definitely applying to my situation: Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. This fucking piracy shit has damn near destroyed paysite sales. But it has also caused me to bust my ass and optimize everything I have to it's utmost money making potential. One thing is for sure...when the solution to piracy finally comes down from the courts and an end is put to it...My shit is going to absolutely blow up. Grampland.Com is the absolute best free site I've ever been involved with. And I'm lucky to get much traffic to it at all. Why would anyone bother coming to me when they can get entire members areas for free? But once that stops? I have my shit down solid. I'm still making good money off of next to nothing traffic numbers. Let me get back up to a million uniques a day and I'd be the damn Scrooge McDuck of porn. lol __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

09-04-2009, 07:45 AM	#16
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09-04-2009, 07:48 AM	#18
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Qbert Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 813	"adapt or die"... "innovate or die"... both are just rhetoric and boil down to essentially the same thing. Don't just keep doing the same old thing if it's no longer working.

09-08-2009, 04:04 PM	#21
NaughtyRob Two fresh affiliate progs Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Inside teen pussy Posts: 29,602	Yeah I agree, its more like innovate and diversify or die. __________________ [email protected] Skype: 17026955414 Vacares Web Hosting - Protect Your Ass with Included Daily Backups

09-08-2009, 04:07 PM	#22
wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	Great threads lately Shap I got a new one for you Protect your content or die __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com

09-08-2009, 04:09 PM	#23
Riffhard Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 659	I'm gonna start a free dating site. Then I'm gonna advertise paysites on it. awesome, right? __________________ Glad to be here. Glad to be anywhere.

09-08-2009, 04:12 PM	#24
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	Adapt or die = followers Innovate or die = leaders Where do you want to be WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-08-2009, 04:14 PM	#25
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09-08-2009, 04:16 PM	#26
xxweekxx Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,780	innovation makes sense.. no need copying everyone else... We've seen hidden cross sales, cross sales below join form, etc.. Im almost done with my new paysite, will payout $100 per join.. We will have disappearing cross sale.. yes.. Basically, it will appear for 1 second then vanish.. magic.. Also thinking of cross sale in a different language.. so if the user is american, the cross sale will be in chinese or romanian.. We could also have pre checked cross sales that bill you when you UNCHECK.. These are all innovations and ill make a lotta $$. . yea? Also been thinking of cross sales that rebill after 60 seconds. sounds good to __________________ _________________ I am the best

09-08-2009, 04:23 PM	#27
xxweekxx Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,780	Heres one of our cross sales?Innovation =) X By Unchecking/Checking this box, you agree to signup for a free 60 second trial to XXXwild, which recurs at $39.97/month. Best of all its a disappearing cross sale.. comes and goes.. =0 __________________ _________________ I am the best

09-08-2009, 05:19 PM	#29
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Porn Valley, CA Posts: 10,590	If you're not part of the solution... You are part of the problem. __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

09-08-2009, 05:22 PM	#31
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	i would rather let other people innovate and then just steal their shit....

09-08-2009, 05:39 PM	#33
Twig Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ICQ - 703894 Posts: 1,949	Flood the market with copies or die!! __________________

09-08-2009, 05:50 PM	#34
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	Very smart statement. However until content theft gets regulated I think its best, for myself anyhow, to find a business were people can't get what you are selling for free at the click of a mouse. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

09-08-2009, 05:54 PM	#35
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	sausage had the best point thus far: innovation in adult now means who can execute mainstream ideas in adult first.

09-08-2009, 08:38 PM	#36
NaughtyRob Two fresh affiliate progs Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Inside teen pussy Posts: 29,602	First to market is very important yes but you gotta also do it right. __________________ [email protected] Skype: 17026955414 Vacares Web Hosting - Protect Your Ass with Included Daily Backups

09-08-2009, 09:44 PM	#38
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 15,875	maybe we could take the tube scenario and apply it to the real world gotta be huge cash in it? For Example: Buy a shoe shop, go round all your competitors and steal all their stock and then put it in your store and give it away FREE, you make your money from selling shoe shine at the counter, gotta sell 1 tin every 1000 pairs you give away at least. Fortunes just waiting to be made!

09-08-2009, 10:43 PM	#43
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	How about CHEAT, STEAL, LIE OR DIE!? Seems to be working for many in this industry. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!