VISA nukes "Sleep" sites. - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

CrkMStanz · 09-13-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GetNaughty

I watched in amazement too, the scene showed the guy fucking her from behind in many different angles, it was way longer than needed.

ya, way way way longer than needed - I was fast forwarding thru that scene and it was still way too long.

anyways, all the 'sleep' sites are plastered all over the sharing and torrent sites.

think theres some ammo to use against them there?

just saying...

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Robbie · 09-13-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

anyways, all the 'sleep' sites are plastered all over the sharing and torrent sites.

think theres some ammo to use against them there?

just saying...

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No, because the original post is about a new Visa policy (I won't say "rule" because as I said earlier I just got a brand new email full of hosted galleries of a sleep fuck site from Porn Pros/Fuck You Cash...and they are one of several programs that have "Sleep" sites that are running and making sales via Visa right now)

A Visa policy doesn't matter at all to a tube. Why should they care? It's not against the law, it's just a "chilling effect" from worry about what the govt. MIGHT do is my guess as to what would prompt Visa to selectively stop processing only certain sites while others are full steam ahead right now.

Major (Tom) · 09-13-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fob

they aren't sleeping...they are just playing deadfish

Sounds like my gf
LOL!
ds

Major (Tom) · 09-13-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

What separates the simulated rape in a mainstream movie from simulated rape in porn is "prurient interest" -- the first is a movie that tells a story, the second is something meant to bring on a sexual response. It all comes down to obscenity laws, which VISA is (rightfully) trying to stay within. I'm no apologist for VISA, but they gotta keep their biz in line.

Argue the rights/wrongs/morality/etc. of it all you want, but that's just the way it is.

Where you are wrong is here "prurient interest." If rape turns you on, and you got wind of this movie, you would watch it for that scene, therefore, catering to the prurient interest of that individual. Therefore, by the letter of a much ambiguous law, "last house on the left is obscene."
Duke

MediaGuy · 09-13-2009, 04:37 PM

OK so nobody can quote source and content for this new Visa "policy"?

:D

DonovanTrent · 09-13-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Where you are wrong is here "prurient interest." If rape turns you on, and you got wind of this movie, you would watch it for that scene, therefore, catering to the prurient interest of that individual. Therefore, by the letter of a much ambiguous law, "last house on the left is obscene."
Duke

Incorrect, it's general intent. Somebody with a foot fetish might get turned on by "Old Woman Who Lived In A Shoe" but that doesn't make it obscene. "Old Woman Who Got Fucked By A Shoe" maybe...

Major (Tom) · 09-13-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

Incorrect, it's general intent. Somebody with a foot fetish might get turned on by "Old Woman Who Lived In A Shoe" but that doesn't make it obscene. "Old Woman Who Got Fucked By A Shoe" maybe...

You are confusing an object with an action.
Duke

Sausage · 09-13-2009, 10:43 PM

Can anyone actually say they are surprised? I remember seeing sleepassault or some such a couple of years back before they got called out and changed the text on the tour to something a little less blatant. I mean there was no question they were going for the rape niche, still got the screenshot somewhere.

Are you seriously surprised these sites are targeted and shut down? I mean comeon .. it doesn't take 2 brain cells to figure out this shit is just bad news. Same with dressing a girl up to look 13, fake necro, simulated drunk rape, suggested beast and other crap people pull to try and shock a sale out. It may not be illegal, but if you think you aren't painting one hell of a red X on your back you have your head in the ground.

It comes down to plain basic common sense.

AtlantisCash · 09-13-2009, 11:02 PM

i can't believe some of the idiots are really Adult site owners here, some of You guys are total faliours, some says adult and mainstream movies are different,
some says You can't defense fantasies as an argument bla bla bla.

how can You fucktards can compare dressing up a 21 girl like a child and a sleeping fantasy? what the fuck is wrong with Your minds?

Sleeping fantasy is just an innocent fantasy between partners and nothing is wrong with that.

You nutjob's deal must be defensing Your own side, not making up useless philosophies out of Your dumb asses.

learn how to defend Your own rights and job or please leave the fuck outa this business and save us reading from Your idiotic statements

AtlantisCash · 09-13-2009, 11:10 PM

i can't believe some of the idiots are really Adult site owners here, some of You guys are total failures, some says adult and mainstream movies are different,
some says You can't defense fantasies as an argument bla bla bla.

how can You fucktards can compare dressing up a 21 girl like a child and a sleeping fantasy? what the fuck is wrong with Your minds?

Sleeping fantasy is just an innocent fantasy between partners and nothing is wrong with that.

You nutjob's deal must be defensing Your own side, not making up useless philosophies out of Your dumb asses.

learn how to defend Your own rights and job or please leave the fuck outa this business and save us reading from Your idiotic statements

Phallus Fondue · 09-13-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

ya, way way way longer than needed - I was fast forwarding thru that scene and it was still way too long.

anyways, all the 'sleep' sites are plastered all over the sharing and torrent sites.

think theres some ammo to use against them there?

just saying...

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then i will say now then NEVER add the following titles to your netflix, they are all the same movie.
"i spit on your grave"
"day of the woman"
"i hate your guts"
"the rape and revenge of jennifer hill"

i never watched the sequel calles savage vengeance, with same actress.

if you were going to fast foward past the brutal rape, your movie would be a few minutes of country and some shopping, fast foward x5 speed, shes alive wow, oh shit fast foward x5 speed, revenge which is brutal too, roll credits.
if you watched revenge part, opening, and the wow she lived, your total film is maybe 20 minutes.

i only bring this up because cintel films got rights to make the remake and they said a 2009 worldwide release. if you had problems with last house remake then honestly do not watch this one, especially the 1978 version.

MediaGuy · 09-14-2009, 12:04 AM

Disregarding all this semantic poop and Hollywood vs. Adult "depictions" (because there's no difference in the eye of the law), I will reiterate:

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OK so nobody can quote source and content for this new Visa "policy"?

:D

webmasterchecks · 09-14-2009, 12:31 AM

there is a 3rd party compliance company that many processors/banks use whose regular course of business is to spider/monitor the sites under those institutions to ensure they follow the credit card company rules

for whatever reason, they recently updated their system to begin flagging those types of sites, i doubt you will see this publicly stated anywhere

or so ive heard

Sausage · 09-14-2009, 01:30 AM

Well I run quite a few voyeur sites very true to the niche, and while I am not stupid enough to have simulated rape on my site, I got the word from a biller and am pulling down anything that can even be considered sleep. Whether it's legal or not is a matter for someone else, but buggered if I am gonna be the low hanging fruit that gets plucked off early.

Judging by this thread there are heaps of idiots here more than willing to risk it and keep the content up and they can take the hit for their stupidity! It's all about risk management

Iron Fist · 09-14-2009, 03:30 AM

Lots of discussion but no proof... let's hope people aren't making any decisions based on this thread then

After Shock Media · 09-14-2009, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Phallus Fondue

then i will say now then NEVER add the following titles to your netflix, they are all the same movie.
"i spit on your grave"
"day of the woman"
"i hate your guts"
"the rape and revenge of jennifer hill"

i never watched the sequel calles savage vengeance, with same actress.

if you were going to fast foward past the brutal rape, your movie would be a few minutes of country and some shopping, fast foward x5 speed, shes alive wow, oh shit fast foward x5 speed, revenge which is brutal too, roll credits.
if you watched revenge part, opening, and the wow she lived, your total film is maybe 20 minutes.

i only bring this up because cintel films got rights to make the remake and they said a 2009 worldwide release. if you had problems with last house remake then honestly do not watch this one, especially the 1978 version.

I would totally agree with this one. I have a pretty strong stomach and can tolerate a great deal. It takes a great deal of shit to make me feel dirty and that movie left me feeling that way for a few days, even if she got revenge in some brutal ways. Even more brutal than in the original last house on the lefts scene where the mother bites one of the rapists cock off mid blow job.

If we are bringing up movies and shit that just is not fair. We can not really do fake violence which pissed me off to know end, because I do have a killer site idea that I know will sell even in today's saturated market. We also could never get away with the underage crap Hollywood pulls either and I am not talking fantasy, I am talking 100% real underage nudity and simulated sex scenes - pretty baby anyone? maybe blue lagoon? odd same actress too.

NikKay · 09-14-2009, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

Welcome to what the rest of the porn industry agreed to 30 years ago. Its just fantasy eh? Then dress up 18yr old girls like 12yr olds and have em say they are 12. After all, it's just a fantasy.

Ask Max Hardcore how that worked out, and while you're at it give my regards to Rob Black. The "it's just a fantasy" defense has never worked to defend porners.

Max wasn't just dressing 18-year-olds up like 12-year-olds. A ton of companies do that and aren't targeted.

czarina · 09-14-2009, 06:20 AM

welcome to America!

CamJack · 09-14-2009, 06:30 AM

I always thought this niche was a bad idea (although sexy). How could someone consent while not conscious. Even though the fuckyoucash guys ingeniously had them consent prior to the shoot, it took away from the integrity of the niche and didn't seem likely to protect themselves.

NikKay · 09-14-2009, 07:56 AM

I'm not generally turned on by porn but I do find this niche appealing. Go figure. :-P

DonovanTrent · 09-14-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

i can't believe some of the idiots are really Adult site owners here, some of You guys are total faliours, some says adult and mainstream movies are different,
some says You can't defense fantasies as an argument bla bla bla.

how can You fucktards can compare dressing up a 21 girl like a child and a sleeping fantasy? what the fuck is wrong with Your minds?

Sleeping fantasy is just an innocent fantasy between partners and nothing is wrong with that.

You nutjob's deal must be defensing Your own side, not making up useless philosophies out of Your dumb asses.

learn how to defend Your own rights and job or please leave the fuck outa this business and save us reading from Your idiotic statements

Tell it to a judge. In US. Not Turkey.

Half man, Half Amazing · 09-14-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NikKay

Max wasn't just dressing 18-year-olds up like 12-year-olds. A ton of companies do that and aren't targeted.

You missed the part where I said "say they are 12"...go back and look at Max's older stuff...he dressed the girls up like 12 year olds and actually had the girls say "Fuck my 12yr old ass mister". Big difference. Ever notice that little disclaimer in front of pornos where it says "no actor or actress is portraying anyone under 18"...guess why that's there?

Axelo9 · 09-14-2009, 02:01 PM

Who want's to sleep?

pornguy · 09-14-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Visa is policy. But not law.

When Visa Processes payments for you they ARE law.

Robbie · 09-14-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

Ever notice that little disclaimer in front of pornos where it says "no actor or actress is portraying anyone under 18"...guess why that's there?

I've never seen that! Of course it's been a long time since I actually watched a porn dvd or video tape. But I've never seen that before.

bDok · 09-14-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Didn't PRDave just say HE was the source and linked back to this thread?

So am I not understanding that he basically just told us all he made it up and it's not true?

By the way...not that it matters or anything...but in my opinion you should be able to do anything you want in a film. (not talking about ACTUALLY killing, raping etc.)

It's just a movie. They kill and rape all the time in Hollywood movies. Hell I just sat through the latest "Final Destination" movie. A fucking slaughterfest.

Anyway, you should be able to simulate any goddamn thing you want to. You want to have a 21 year old dress up like she's 15? So what? You want to have two actors play out a rape scene? So what? You want to bring out the ketchup and fake knives and kill people on film? So what?

It's goddamn movies! Jesus Christ!

Let people decide for themselves. If people WANT to see it, it will be successful. If people don't want to see it, it will die away quickly.

I just can't wrap my head around the notion that some people have the right to tell other full grown adults what they can see, watch, do, read, write, or film. As long as it is consenting adults working on a film together.

The govt. is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. I know I'm not the only one.

serious truth.

After Shock Media · 09-14-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

i can't believe some of the idiots are really Adult site owners here, some of You guys are total failures, some says adult and mainstream movies are different,
some says You can't defense fantasies as an argument bla bla bla.
how can You fucktards can compare dressing up a 21 girl like a child and a sleeping fantasy? what the fuck is wrong with Your minds?
Sleeping fantasy is just an innocent fantasy between partners and nothing is wrong with that.
You nutjob's deal must be defensing Your own side, not making up useless philosophies out of Your dumb asses.
learn how to defend Your own rights and job or please leave the fuck outa this business and save us reading from Your idiotic statements

Adult and mainstream movies are different, just deal with it. If you refuse to admit they are different then you are the one with the problem.

You can try to defend any fantasy you want and you can use it is just a fantasy as your argument, it does not mean you will win. We are not talking about court though in this thread. We are talking about Visa compliance talk. They do not have courts nor do I think they have arbitration on what you can or can not sell using them.

You can compare dressing up a 21 year old woman as a child and sleep fantasy very easily. All though both are fantasies, an adult having sex with child is illegal and an adult having sex with someone who is not giving consent prior to the act (revocable at any time) is also illegal.

See:

Sex with child - illegal.
Sex without consent - illegal.

Sleep fantasy can very well be enjoyable fun and a interesting fantasy between a couple. It still does not alter the facts though. I do not agree with this but it is how it is. Though I would be pretty sure that you are also not aware that in many states having sex with someone that is drunk is also rape.

Now nobody is making up useless philosophies nor not defending things. You just CAN NOT defend yourself against Visa compliance policy changes. You want to accept their card, you must play by their rules. So I would read that statement a few times before you tell anyone to leave this industry for not fighting.

While I am at it. You should have no issue with someone posting their thoughts and views even if they do not fit into your tiny little jigsaw puzzle mind. The very same shit your saying needs to be defended is in no way different then peoples comments needing to be defended - yet you want to run them out of this business for having different views than yourself.

*disclaimer - I personally have odd moral lines. I am ok with most all porn, would not produce nor fund several types, would not even view or promote several types. I also would not have a problem if some studio hooked up with some special effects guy and had a scene where a guy was doing a chick doggie style, then chopped her head off with a sword quickly and beginning to skull fuck it during the last few fleeting seconds of her life with her body laying under them.

Robbie · 09-14-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

in many states having sex with someone that is drunk is also rape.

Holy shit! That means I've never had sex without rape being involved! Looks like I've always been raping and being raped at the same time!

ToplistBlog_Com · 09-14-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes

this could be the first step to tyranny and fascism.

it is quite probable that visa handled all credit card processing for the nazi regime.

I accidentally read tyranny as "tranny". Was very confused. Ruling with an iron cock?

After Shock Media · 09-14-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Holy shit! That means I've never had sex without rape being involved! Looks like I've always been raping and being raped at the same time!

Me too.
I do not just make this shit up though. Pretty sure I violated the marital rape laws as well.

Robbie · 09-14-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Me too.
I do not just make this shit up though. Pretty sure I violated the marital rape laws as well.

Dude, I just realized that if that Drunk=Rape thing is in effect...I have raped myself masturbating more times than I care to remember.

Titan · 09-14-2009, 06:05 PM

fucking doh

NikKay · 09-15-2009, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Holy shit! That means I've never had sex without rape being involved! Looks like I've always been raping and being raped at the same time!

You've never had sober sex before?? You might want to see someone about that. ;)

Agent 488 · 09-15-2009, 05:19 AM

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AtlantisCash · 09-15-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

Tell it to a judge. In US. Not Turkey.

Neither This Place is a fuckin court, nor i m an advocate, what i only do is reminding to some people here what is their job and they should defend it, even though i doudt Some of those are real Adult Webmasters or at least aware of what does being an Adult webmaster mean.

Lastly i advise You to revise for better arguements to be able to defence Your own opinion rather then trying to prove us how smart guy You are and how sarcastic You can be

Robbie · 09-15-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NikKay

You've never had sober sex before?? You might want to see someone about that. ;)

I've never had sober sex, sober dinner, sober breakfast, hell I don't even sleep and wake up...I pass out and come to. I'm drunk right now, and considering raping myself.

DonovanTrent · 09-15-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Neither This Place is a fuckin court, nor i m an advocate, what i only do is reminding to some people here what is their job and they should defend it, even though i doudt Some of those are real Adult Webmasters or at least aware of what does being an Adult webmaster mean.

Lastly i advise You to revise for better arguements to be able to defence Your own opinion rather then trying to prove us how smart guy You are and how sarcastic You can be

Once I learn Turkish, I'll re-read that and understand it.

AtlantisCash · 09-15-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

Once I learn Turkish, I'll re-read that and understand it.

Actually i didn't edit it, i was in a rush and asked my partner to press button, but no need to be bothered, because Your brain is too small to understand it.

AtlantisCash · 09-15-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Adult and mainstream movies are different, just deal with it. If you refuse to admit they are different then you are the one with the problem.

You can try to defend any fantasy you want and you can use it is just a fantasy as your argument, it does not mean you will win. We are not talking about court though in this thread. We are talking about Visa compliance talk. They do not have courts nor do I think they have arbitration on what you can or can not sell using them.

You can compare dressing up a 21 year old woman as a child and sleep fantasy very easily. All though both are fantasies, an adult having sex with child is illegal and an adult having sex with someone who is not giving consent prior to the act (revocable at any time) is also illegal.

See:

Sex with child - illegal.
Sex without consent - illegal.

Sleep fantasy can very well be enjoyable fun and a interesting fantasy between a couple. It still does not alter the facts though. I do not agree with this but it is how it is. Though I would be pretty sure that you are also not aware that in many states having sex with someone that is drunk is also rape.

Now nobody is making up useless philosophies nor not defending things. You just CAN NOT defend yourself against Visa compliance policy changes. You want to accept their card, you must play by their rules. So I would read that statement a few times before you tell anyone to leave this industry for not fighting.

While I am at it. You should have no issue with someone posting their thoughts and views even if they do not fit into your tiny little jigsaw puzzle mind. The very same shit your saying needs to be defended is in no way different then peoples comments needing to be defended - yet you want to run them out of this business for having different views than yourself.

*disclaimer - I personally have odd moral lines. I am ok with most all porn, would not produce nor fund several types, would not even view or promote several types. I also would not have a problem if some studio hooked up with some special effects guy and had a scene where a guy was doing a chick doggie style, then chopped her head off with a sword quickly and beginning to skull fuck it during the last few fleeting seconds of her life with her body laying under them.

The problem is not anyone's views here, the problem is the views itself,

if You call this "freedom of expression" ok then, i m using the same right to shout it loud and i think You said You have no problem with that eh?

i stand behind my words and repeat it again,

if someone can not

defense His/Her own Job, then when something went wrong, the person have no fucking right to bitch about it.

if the real issue is sleeping niche, You may be right, but can You Guaranty me, this is not an experimental action for the whole industry?

what i m trying to say is, if we want to keep putting food on the table from this business for more years, we should be brave as the other side.

***

last of the last things, even though i always thought You were a cool guy, it seems You pointed Your arrows to me, but i will give it up at this level

DonovanTrent · 09-15-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Actually i didn't edit it, i was in a rush and asked my partner to press button, but no need to be bothered, because Your brain is too small to understand it.

You're absolutely correct, I am one stupid motherfucker.

Naughty-Pages · 09-16-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Dave

This is a soon to be dead niche.

not sure why there was a thumbs up in that post..

but with no confirmation, i have asked around and have heard nothing to confirm..

Asked some of your ppl about this post, but still no solid information..

but you also own adultelite which promotes "Sleep Invasion" I just bought 3 names off of another webmaster that were sleeping related.. (I own nearly 1,000 sites)

figuring that you might be dropping adult elites Sleep invasion site, I did not add your shit to those 3 new sites, instead added galleries from other programs..

i gotta say that if this was a joke, then you are really shooting yourself in the foot here...

if i do not hear something soon, i will also probably pull any links we have to your site and replace them with other programs because i assume you plan to dump it or something..

some legit feedback would be nice...

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Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Well I run quite a few voyeur sites very true to the niche, and while I am not stupid enough to have simulated rape on my site, I got the word from a biller and am pulling down anything that can even be considered sleep. Whether it's legal or not is a matter for someone else, but buggered if I am gonna be the low hanging fruit that gets plucked off early. Judging by this thread there are heaps of idiots here more than willing to risk it and keep the content up and they can take the hit for their stupidity! It's all about risk management

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