If pay sites updated as much as tubes... - GoFuckYourself.com

incredibleworkethic · 09-20-2009, 04:18 PM

Well, enough said. I just reviewed a site that hasn't had an update since last April. Sheesh.

I then reviewed another site that had 1 update per month for a solo girl site. I think with sites like those, weekly or even 2x weekly will be good enough to inspire a higher retention rate.

Tube sites like TUBE E - I _ G - H - T 8 has multiple updates per day, yes some of them "user contributed" but they do update!

I've had access to many sites in my past, but none compare to the update frequency of tubes. When I go to a porn site, I'm not looking for yesterday's porn. That being said, I don't need to have daily updates either. Give me one or two solid videos to look forward to every week, and I'll keep paying.

This was just a little rant because what some sites get away with is comparable to murder. On top of that some of them enjoy banging the fuck out of their customer's credit cards too. Business yes... but that's no excuse for a low retention rate.

What do you think?

L-Pink · 09-20-2009, 04:28 PM

"If pay sites updated as much as tubes..."

They also would be stealing content.

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Major (Tom) · 09-20-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IsItWorthJoining-com

Well, enough said. I just reviewed a site that hasn't had an update since last April. Sheesh.

I then reviewed another site that had 1 update per month for a solo girl site. I think with sites like those, weekly or even 2x weekly will be good enough to inspire a higher retention rate.

Tube sites like TUBE E - I _ G - H - T 8 has multiple updates per day, yes some of them "user contributed" but they do update!

I've had access to many sites in my past, but none compare to the update frequency of tubes. When I go to a porn site, I'm not looking for yesterday's porn. That being said, I don't need to have daily updates either. Give me one or two solid videos to look forward to every week, and I'll keep paying.

This was just a little rant because what some sites get away with is comparable to murder. On top of that some of them enjoy banging the fuck out of their customer's credit cards too. Business yes... but that's no excuse for a low retention rate.

What do you think?

If they had to pay approxamatley 2k an update you would see alot less. trust me on that.
Duke

Jarmusch · 09-20-2009, 04:37 PM

It's easy for tubes to update multiple times per day. All they have to do is click on a button to upload videos to their servers.

If paysites were to update that often, it certainly wouldn't be with exclusive content. They would just turn into another tube with a paid membership option.

Barefootsies · 09-20-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

It's easy for tubes to update multiple times per day. All they have to do is click on a button to upload videos to their servers.

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-20-2009, 04:42 PM

The moral of the story is the OP is an idiot.

born2blog · 09-20-2009, 04:45 PM

Interesting topic, and some good points by everyone. It may not be the best comparison, tubes and paysites, but still I get the point. Sure it's expensive to shoot a LOT of content, and not as easy to update paysites as it is with tubes. At the same time though, a lot of webmasters work very hard and use revshare option thinking long term, and they get screwed a lot because a LOT of paysites simply don't update nearly half as much as they could. Like IsItWorthJoining-com mentioned, it doesn't have to be daily updates, even weekly updates would be a huge improvement for some paysites. To be quite honest, I think a lot of sponsors take their webmasters for granted, and if EVERYONE switched to PPS and dropped all revshare links I think it would be a HUGE eye opener for many sponsors and they'd be fucked, not knowing what to do, and to put it simply, UPDATE and quit being so lazy.

Dirty D · 09-20-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

If they had to pay approxamatley 2k an update you would see alot less. trust me on that.
Duke

Quoted for the truth!

incredibleworkethic · 09-20-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by area51

The moral of the story is the OP is an idiot.

Not saying that they can afford to do so, but I'm just saying that an additional reason why tubes are so popular is because of it's updated content.

Now how many more updates a site can afford isn't my problem, but I'm sure they can improve.

Are you telling me that a $24.95 monthly membership is worth it after zero updates since April 2008? Or how about 1 update in the last month? I guess it depends on your retention rate.

Where is the fine line that keeps members satisfied and keeps money in your bank?

I'm just saying that there are a few companies that have the wrong idea.

the Shemp · 09-20-2009, 04:52 PM

its easy to update when you dont pay for content..ive been doing it for 11 years now...

JamesK · 09-20-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

It's easy for tubes to update multiple times per day. All they have to do is click on a button to upload videos to their servers.

If paysites were to update that often, it certainly wouldn't be with exclusive content. They would just turn into another tube with a paid membership option.

true dat

stickyfingerz · 09-20-2009, 05:15 PM

And further examples of most review sites not "quite" understanding this industry..

Endless supplies of content are pretty easy when you don't pay for them.

Jarmusch · 09-20-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IsItWorthJoining-com

I'm just saying that an additional reason why tubes are so popular is because of it's updated content.

Yeah tubes are so popular because they update often. Their popularity has nothing to do with the fact that all the videos are FREE.

plsureking · 09-20-2009, 05:22 PM

i guess the logical thing would be to start adding a free tube area to paysites.

incredibleworkethic · 09-20-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

And further examples of most review sites not "quite" understanding this industry..

Endless supplies of content are pretty easy when you don't pay for them.

No, I do realize that things cost money, etc. But if a site claims X amount of updates why aren't they there? If a surfer is promised updated content, what classifies as updated content? 1x per week, per month or per year?

All I'm trying to say is if you aren't going to update anymore at least don't advertise this in your tours. The reason I don't bash sites that don't update is because they at least don't make false claims.

I have no beef with any site except with those that are a rip off the customer (in the sense that they mislead them in the tours and with cross sales). I know business is business, but with all the lack of updates and cross sales, tube sites seem like the best option for surfers.

I'm not trying to call out any specific program, but what I am trying to say is do better business. They are your customer, keep them!

I agree with revshare over PPS too, I guess that isn't a surprise.

Now, I am even fine with 30%-40% revshare. 50% revshare is plenty and 60% might even be too much. Affiliates don't pay for the content and manage the business, that's a given.

If the pay site provided a product worth keeping month after month, 30%-40% revshare would actually earn an affiliate more in the long run. So if the program started by updating more, making the best content possible etc, I could see them justifying a lower payout % to counter the cost of these new updates. I'm also not trying to fuck over affiliates as I am one, but providing a cost effective counter measure in response to new content produced is just another idea I was thinking of.

I'm here to meet new people and give my opinion to paysites if they want to hear it. I don't want to start flame wars but just provide what I think and move on.

I think you guys see what I mean. I understand that business is business however I do know that misguided customers will become lost customers in the future.

If you want to be proactive, you must do something in the best interest of someone else sometimes.

Please don't take this as a negative post, I genuinely care.

RK · 09-20-2009, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IsItWorthJoining-com

I then reviewed another site that had 1 update per month for a solo girl site. I think with sites like those, weekly or even 2x weekly will be good enough to inspire a higher retention rate.

Today's typical business model is based on:
1) Make money on people forgetting to cancel
2) Make money on cross sales and up sales
3) Make money on selling customer lists

Most pay sites don't actually care about:
4) Keep members paying because they like what they are getting for their money

Iron Fist · 09-20-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51

The moral of the story is the OP is an idiot.

I know some people have the hate on for you, but this time your right.

plsureking · 09-20-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IsItWorthJoining-com

I think you guys see what I mean. I understand that business is business however I do know that misguided customers will become lost customers in the future.

u are one of the people in position to make a difference.** if their tour doesn't match their site, then bash the shit out of them in your review.

** CORRECTION: when your site has more than 5 reviews LOL **

economics works in porn. the scammers dont last long.

09-20-2009, 04:18 PM	#1
incredibleworkethic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,302	If pay sites updated as much as tubes... Well, enough said. I just reviewed a site that hasn't had an update since last April. Sheesh. I then reviewed another site that had 1 update per month for a solo girl site. I think with sites like those, weekly or even 2x weekly will be good enough to inspire a higher retention rate. Tube sites like TUBE E - I _ G - H - T 8 has multiple updates per day, yes some of them "user contributed" but they do update! I've had access to many sites in my past, but none compare to the update frequency of tubes. When I go to a porn site, I'm not looking for yesterday's porn. That being said, I don't need to have daily updates either. Give me one or two solid videos to look forward to every week, and I'll keep paying. This was just a little rant because what some sites get away with is comparable to murder. On top of that some of them enjoy banging the fuck out of their customer's credit cards too. Business yes... but that's no excuse for a low retention rate. What do you think?

09-20-2009, 04:45 PM	#7
born2blog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,801	Interesting topic, and some good points by everyone. It may not be the best comparison, tubes and paysites, but still I get the point. Sure it's expensive to shoot a LOT of content, and not as easy to update paysites as it is with tubes. At the same time though, a lot of webmasters work very hard and use revshare option thinking long term, and they get screwed a lot because a LOT of paysites simply don't update nearly half as much as they could. Like IsItWorthJoining-com mentioned, it doesn't have to be daily updates, even weekly updates would be a huge improvement for some paysites. To be quite honest, I think a lot of sponsors take their webmasters for granted, and if EVERYONE switched to PPS and dropped all revshare links I think it would be a HUGE eye opener for many sponsors and they'd be fucked, not knowing what to do, and to put it simply, UPDATE and quit being so lazy. __________________ Juicy Ads - Buy & Sell Quality Traffic!!

09-20-2009, 04:52 PM	#10
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plsureking bored Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Metaverse Posts: 4,675	i guess the logical thing would be to start adding a free tube area to paysites. __________________ #

09-20-2009, 04:28 PM	#2
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	"If pay sites updated as much as tubes..." They also would be stealing content. .

09-20-2009, 04:37 PM	#4
Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	It's easy for tubes to update multiple times per day. All they have to do is click on a button to upload videos to their servers. If paysites were to update that often, it certainly wouldn't be with exclusive content. They would just turn into another tube with a paid membership option.

09-20-2009, 04:42 PM	#6
area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,164	The moral of the story is the OP is an idiot.

09-20-2009, 05:15 PM	#12
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	And further examples of most review sites not "quite" understanding this industry.. Endless supplies of content are pretty easy when you don't pay for them.