Petition to Epoch - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

MrDeiz · 11-19-2009, 02:35 PM

damn, it couldn't be any more simple
epoch stats programs have an option to pay on its own (not via epoch), so they just get payment from epoch and then decide how to pay their webmasters. i'm saying that webmasters should know which epoch stats programs are paying via epoch (so there's a merged check for all epoch paying programs promoted by webmaster) AND WHICH ARE PAYING ON ITS OWN.

katharos · 11-19-2009, 02:39 PM

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Tom_PM · 11-19-2009, 02:42 PM

So you want a new column in the stats with a checkmark if they are paid via epoch.

Agent 488 · 11-19-2009, 02:43 PM

who the hell knows what that idiot wants.

MrDeiz · 11-19-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

So you want a new column in the stats with a checkmark if they are paid via epoch.

exactly.

Les Grossman · 11-19-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

that's very dishonest... if you use the search feature of the board you will see 100X more people complaining about CCbill declines/scrubbing etc than you will find even mentions of epoch.

No, it is very true. You can not compare scrubbing and declines against down right problems, late pays, and tech issues.

The search is your friend. Use it.

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

your an idiot. fail at lying.

Lets see, I've used ccbill for 8 years on over 50 sites. Epoch was nothing but problems. I've seen more sponsors drop Epoch than any other biller. CCbill is SUPERIOR in every way. If you've been in the industry for more than a couple of years, you'd know about this.

If that is lying, then so be it.

Les Grossman · 11-19-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

ALL revshare EpochStats MPA3 cascades are paid out by Epoch. Supposedly PPS programs may opt to pay direct to affiliates, using the EpochStats MPA3 cascade, but I've actually never seen one. Have you?

If you use Epoch as your primary biller, you can run MPA3 for free. Epoch makes the payouts. As far as you paying out if you offer a PPS option, that is news to me.

Les Grossman · 11-19-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

I'd promote you more if you got accepted at CCBill... simple as that....

That seems to be a common thread. CCbill, though not void of issues, kicks Epoch's ass any day of the week. Webmasters simply trust them more. I believe surfers do too.

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Originally Posted by sharphead

when SpookyCash went to Epoch my sales disappeared.

I rest my case.

Kimmykim · 11-20-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

damn, it couldn't be any more simple
epoch stats programs have an option to pay on its own (not via epoch), so they just get payment from epoch and then decide how to pay their webmasters. i'm saying that webmasters should know which epoch stats programs are paying via epoch (so there's a merged check for all epoch paying programs promoted by webmaster) AND WHICH ARE PAYING ON ITS OWN.

Um, wouldn't affiliates be getting a check from a sponsor -- or wire, etc -- for their sales so they would know they were being paid directly by the sponsor?

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Originally Posted by Les Grossman

If you've been in the industry for more than a couple of years, you'd know about this.

If that is lying, then so be it.

Interesting, I've been in this business longer than you have, was in management at CCBill for a couple of years and still don't know about this.

I would say that CCBill and Epoch have different business models in many ways and each attracts a different sort of client, and they always have done so. Some like Epoch, some like CCBill. Some don't like CCBill, some don't like Epoch.

More billing options has always been a good thing in this industry; anyone who has been in it more than a couple of months, they'd know about this.

If that is lying, you are a fool.

MrDeiz · 11-20-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Um, wouldn't affiliates be getting a check from a sponsor -- or wire, etc -- for their sales so they would know they were being paid directly by the sponsor?

sponsors die these days faster than even
out of 40,000 ccbill client accounts, only 3,000 are alive. do the math

AmeliaG · 11-25-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Les Grossman

If you use Epoch as your primary biller, you can run MPA3 for free. Epoch makes the payouts. As far as you paying out if you offer a PPS option, that is news to me.

Being able to payout directly to affiliates if I switched to PPS was an option offered to me, but I usually promote revshare programs and SpookyCash was a CCBill revshare program I was migrating and I didn't want to change to much. I wanted to pay direct because I found that many of my really good CCBill affiliates had no idea how big a part of their CCBill checks were SpookyCash sales.

The weird thing is that Daizzzy says Rand told him that any EpochStats MPA3 program might either be Epoch payout or program payout and there is no way for the affiliate to tell which is which.

Only I can't get Rand to email me back and clarify what the actual situation is. Which is kinda freaking me out, given that I run an Epoch-powered program and all. I'm guessing he is just on vacation for Thanksgiving and I will hear back after.

MrDeiz · 11-25-2009, 05:51 AM

if i'm not wrong, Rand works for billing, not affiliate part
anyway i've posted his icq above, try to reach him there. i guess he was just nice to ask that appropriate person at epoch for me and brought me that answer.

and btw i completely can't get your point on payment for your program. any webmaster could check his stats for your program and know how much he's getting from you. the same with ccbill

they have also had previous version of epochstats, maybe that option was for that version and it haven't migrated to a new one which is currently active

LoveSandra · 11-25-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

FUCK EPOCH!

Worst mistake I ever made in my entire 10+ years in this business, was using them.

A bunch of model stalkers over there. Fuck 'em.

:thumbsu p

Gerco · 11-25-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

I'll take a wild guess and say that CCBill is a big company and they do everything legally as to avoid big, expensiv problems, which is why they don't processor illegal items such as WEED or WEED Content or WEEDish things. Come on, just because a company can't or won't process for anyone is no reason to trash them.

As for Epoch, I have read some of the problems people say they are having, but it looks like most of them are POLICY issues and not much else. Again, any company can choose who they want to work with, for their own reasons. Anthony from Epoch is the coolest guy and their product and service is solid. If anyone hit any road blocks to using Epoch, there are other billers out there. No reason to hate them.

I used Epoch for quite a while, years in fact. Then I need to make a simple change to my account and was treated like a total asshole by them. So I pulled them off my site entirely and will never use them again.

AmeliaG · 11-25-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

if i'm not wrong, Rand works for billing, not affiliate part
anyway i've posted his icq above, try to reach him there. i guess he was just nice to ask that appropriate person at epoch for me and brought me that answer.

and btw i completely can't get your point on payment for your program. any webmaster could check his stats for your program and know how much he's getting from you. the same with ccbill

they have also had previous version of epochstats, maybe that option was for that version and it haven't migrated to a new one which is currently active

I mean, it was my experience running a CCBill-powered program that many webmasters who promoted CCBill programs didn't really keep track of which ones were the real sellers. They just sort of, I don't know, used the Force to decide what they thought was selling.

There are tools like StatsRemote and NiftyStats, which make it easier for affiliate webmasters to see where their bread is buttered, but the CCBill admin can get pretty convoluted for webmasters who promote a lot of programs and it does not have a way to view $ for all time or really any very extended time period.

MrDeiz · 11-26-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I mean, it was my experience running a CCBill-powered program that many webmasters who promoted CCBill programs didn't really keep track of which ones were the real sellers. They just sort of, I don't know, used the Force to decide what they thought was selling.

There are tools like StatsRemote and NiftyStats, which make it easier for affiliate webmasters to see where their bread is buttered, but the CCBill admin can get pretty convoluted for webmasters who promote a lot of programs and it does not have a way to view $ for all time or really any very extended time period.

alright, now it makes me lol
i've promoted dozens of ccbill programs (and now it's thousands but on smaller scale for each) and i know how much each of them is paying me.
and btw i'm not using statsremote or nifty stats

V_RocKs · 11-26-2009, 04:45 AM

Aren't all of the programs within the Epoch affiliate admin paying out via EPOCH and all not being paid by EPOCH have their own affiliate program?

If you are not using Stats Remote you are not taking your business seriously...

And it is a right off...

MrDeiz · 11-26-2009, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Aren't all of the programs within the Epoch affiliate admin paying out via EPOCH and all not being paid by EPOCH have their own affiliate program?

If you are not using Stats Remote you are not taking your business seriously...

And it is a right off...

no, that's the whole point of this thread
programs with epoch affiliate admin can pay on its own

and i have no idea what do you mean by that

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and all not being paid by EPOCH have their own affiliate program?

is it something like atkcash has before migrating to mpa3? anyway there's no such thing

AmeliaG · 11-28-2009, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Aren't all of the programs within the Epoch affiliate admin paying out via EPOCH and all not being paid by EPOCH have their own affiliate program?

If you are not using Stats Remote you are not taking your business seriously...

And it is a right off...

That is what I thought was correct for all revshare Epoch programs. (PPS has other options.)

AmeliaG · 11-28-2009, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

alright, now it makes me lol
i've promoted dozens of ccbill programs (and now it's thousands but on smaller scale for each) and i know how much each of them is paying me.
and btw i'm not using statsremote or nifty stats

What system do you use to keep track of your performance with thousands of CCBill programs, not using StatsRemote or NiftyStats?

MrDeiz · 11-28-2009, 07:31 AM

at the end of each month i go to ccbill, grab monthly stats and click 'Affiliate' on the left. that's the whole magic

MrDeiz · 11-28-2009, 08:03 AM

and if there's a need to get stats for a specific program, just set it into 'Linked Affiliate' on the bottom of 'transactions' page

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE · 11-28-2009, 08:16 AM

daizzzy stop acting like you have a clue about this business

you're a retarded fuck up at life, fuck off

MrDeiz · 11-28-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by area51

daizzzy stop acting like you have a clue about this business

you're a retarded fuck up at life, fuck off

poor brainless troll without nothing says this

fuck off jayvis, everyone here know who you really are

selling your nick was the only deal you made here and ever

Les Grossman · 11-28-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Only I can't get Rand to email me back and clarify what the actual situation is. Which is kinda freaking me out

Not surprised.

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Interesting, I've been in this business longer than you have, was in management at CCBill for a couple of years and still don't know about this.

Not to say that my dick is bigger than yours, but I used to work with legends like John Holmes, back when they still used film and men didn't have Viagra to keep their cocks hard. In case you don't know who he was, lets say it was long before the Internet was created, and long before CCbill and the other online billing companies even knew they were going to exist.

Having said that, search any board over the past few years, Epoch takes the prize for having the most problems of just about any biller.

11-19-2009, 02:35 PM	#51
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	damn, it couldn't be any more simple epoch stats programs have an option to pay on its own (not via epoch), so they just get payment from epoch and then decide how to pay their webmasters. i'm saying that webmasters should know which epoch stats programs are paying via epoch (so there's a merged check for all epoch paying programs promoted by webmaster) AND WHICH ARE PAYING ON ITS OWN. __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

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11-25-2009, 05:51 AM	#62
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	if i'm not wrong, Rand works for billing, not affiliate part anyway i've posted his icq above, try to reach him there. i guess he was just nice to ask that appropriate person at epoch for me and brought me that answer. and btw i completely can't get your point on payment for your program. any webmaster could check his stats for your program and know how much he's getting from you. the same with ccbill they have also had previous version of epochstats, maybe that option was for that version and it haven't migrated to a new one which is currently active __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult Last edited by MrDeiz; 11-25-2009 at 05:56 AM..

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MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	at the end of each month i go to ccbill, grab monthly stats and click 'Affiliate' on the left. that's the whole magic __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult Last edited by MrDeiz; 11-28-2009 at 07:34 AM..

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MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	and if there's a need to get stats for a specific program, just set it into 'Linked Affiliate' on the bottom of 'transactions' page __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

11-19-2009, 02:39 PM	#52
katharos So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,515	well, my friend gave me this email adress he told me that can help to finish your problem faster ... [email protected]

11-19-2009, 02:43 PM	#54
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	who the hell knows what that idiot wants.

11-26-2009, 04:45 AM	#67
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	Aren't all of the programs within the Epoch affiliate admin paying out via EPOCH and all not being paid by EPOCH have their own affiliate program? If you are not using Stats Remote you are not taking your business seriously... And it is a right off...

11-28-2009, 08:16 AM	#73
area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,164	daizzzy stop acting like you have a clue about this business you're a retarded fuck up at life, fuck off