Interesting - Water, well Ice was found on the moon.

[After Shock Media]

The probes that impacted have shown that their is actually huge chunks of ice on the moon. (perhaps thats why he left, OK someone had to make the joke)
This would be pretty major. Ice means water, water means Hydrogen and Oxygen which means they can create a form of rocket fuel from. Fuel would be important to be able to not only use it to travel, but to melt the ice. It is in a very cold area that stays cold. Transporting a way to melt it up there with fuel would of been prohibitive. Having the resource to make fuel though means we will begin to colonize soon. They even said "when we go to the moon", not "if".

Makes me very curious if there would be any potential for life on the moon. Not shit that moves around but stuff trapped in the ice of a microscopic nature. Especially since most scientists agree that the moon was made from debris from the Earth when another planet collided with Earth and shattered both. Many of the scientists guesstimate that the Earth had already cooled when it got into the planetary wreck and considering that the ice on the moon would of had to come from either debris from one of three sources. Earth, the other planet that shattered, or a comet/meteor that hit the moon.

Oh expect more news around 9am PST or it could be EST. I am pretty tired.

[Scott McD]

The moon is debris from the earth ??

Hmm, something i didn't know and wouldn't have thought...

[cherrylula]

no oil there, we moved on decades ago...

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

The moon is debris from the earth ??

Hmm, something i didn't know and wouldn't have thought...

Yeah thats how, or the leading theory and computer models match up.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._010815-1.html

May not be best version, but it looked good at quick view.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

The probes that impacted have shown that their is actually huge chunks of ice on the moon. (perhaps thats why he left, OK someone had to make the joke)
This would be pretty major. Ice means water, water means Hydrogen and Oxygen which means they can create a form of rocket fuel from. Fuel would be important to be able to not only use it to travel, but to melt the ice. It is in a very cold area that stays cold. Transporting a way to melt it up there with fuel would of been prohibitive. Having the resource to make fuel though means we will begin to colonize soon. They even said "when we go to the moon", not "if".

Makes me very curious if there would be any potential for life on the moon. Not shit that moves around but stuff trapped in the ice of a microscopic nature. Especially since most scientists agree that the moon was made from debris from the Earth when another planet collided with Earth and shattered both. Many of the scientists guesstimate that the Earth had already cooled when it got into the planetary wreck and considering that the ice on the moon would of had to come from either debris from one of three sources. Earth, the other planet that shattered, or a comet/meteor that hit the moon.

Oh expect more news around 9am PST or it could be EST. I am pretty tired.

I am a huge science/astronomy geek and I am not sure where you got that info but some of it is incorrect. The earth most definitely was not cooled at the time of the impact, if indeed that impact even occurred. Earth was still very young, very hot and more than likely had not even an atmosphere let alone water. Water came much later when the earth began cooling and planetary degassing allowed for the formation of our atmosphere.

The earth at best had a very thin mantle or crust but mostly magma in motion. This is what allowed the core of the object that struck the earth to merge with the earths as well as allowing the earth to coalesce back into it's former shape much faster.

If the earth had cooled and an object that size had hit us, nothing would ever evolve on this planet. The kinetic energy of the collision alone would stop the core rotation and leave us a dead planet like Mars. No core rotation, no electromagnetic shielding, no electromagnetic no protection from solar winds, ultraviolet radiation, gamma radiation, and other harmful particles that would destroy any lifeform.

http://spacefellowship.com/2009/07/1...-moon-created/
Check out the photo on that link to see what the earth looked like at the time of the proposed collision.

[After Shock Media]

Perhaps should not of used the word most in that sentence. I know there are some that believe the earth had at least formed a solid crust at the impact or that was the theory. I did not mean cooled to the thickness that the core is at now. Just was talking about that it was also not just a ball of liquid rock. It's impact again liquefied the planet once again. Feel free to correct if I am wrong but right now that is what I do remember. Normally my memory would be much better.

Now people can expect some sort of announcement coming out of Mountain View California at around 9am. Apparently (news sources) NASA new this last month and kept it under wraps. They felt they could no longer keep it a secret before people figured it out so they are going to announce today.

[Nicky]

So that's why he quit Playboy? :P

[CaroMark]

To bad the moon has such little protection against meteorites or it would make a great solar panel farm giving you lots of energy.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Darkland

I am a huge science/astronomy geek and I am not sure where you got that info but some of it is incorrect. The earth most definitely was not cooled at the time of the impact, if indeed that impact even occurred. Earth was still very young, very hot and more than likely had not even an atmosphere let alone water. Water came much later when the earth began cooling and planetary degassing allowed for the formation of our atmosphere.

The earth at best had a very thin mantle or crust but mostly magma in motion. This is what allowed the core of the object that struck the earth to merge with the earths as well as allowing the earth to coalesce back into it's former shape much faster.

If the earth had cooled and an object that size had hit us, nothing would ever evolve on this planet. The kinetic energy of the collision alone would stop the core rotation and leave us a dead planet like Mars. No core rotation, no electromagnetic shielding, no electromagnetic no protection from solar winds, ultraviolet radiation, gamma radiation, and other harmful particles that would destroy any lifeform.

http://spacefellowship.com/2009/07/1...-moon-created/
Check out the photo on that link to see what the earth looked like at the time of the proposed collision.

Pulled from your page:

The current preferred hypothesis regarding the Moon?s formation is the ?collision? theory. It is, so far, the best at explaining how compositions of rock from the Earth and rock from the Moon differ. According to the collision theory, at the dawn of the Solar System a heavenly body the size of Mars hit the young Earth. As a result, material from the rocky mantle of the heavenly body and of the Earth was hurled into space. This collected in the shape of a ring on a path closely orbiting the Earth where it then gradually ?clumped together? to form the Moon.

It had formed rock and the impacting planet is sort of unknown. The picture on that page I think goes with the liquid theory of it being a droplet that spilled outward.
Like I said it had cooled. Now I did not mean to the point it is now.

I do see you clear it up some. I think we mean the same thing, I just am willing to think there could of been water on one of the sources. I am pretty sure the impact liquefied the entire planet (check my link and the pic). This would of again melted the iron core. Do not know why you think it would stop the rotation. It was not a direct hit either. Again I think everything kept spinning, the heavy metals would of again sunk to the core and settled. The moon did the same but was mostly just rock and cooled entirely much faster (cooled to the point of no core or little core).

I also do not know why you think there could not of been water, vapor, or the compounds needed to allow it to form with cooling. Then I have read a bunch about extremeophiles (spelling) which is life that before we found we figured could not exist. Living in stuff like pure chemicals, unbelievable heat and chemicals, living of of chemicals instead of photosynthesis, and things like that.
I do know most of the other stuff is theories which I do accept and that is why I do allow some imagination and I do my best to keep it clarified.

[Matt 26z]

If I had that water in front of me I would be tempted to drink it.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

If I had that water in front of me I would be tempted to drink it.

LOL.

Oh I am curious if the conspiracy people will embrace the ice info.
Come up with additional theories and some conspiracy attachment.
Or be willing to see that even though NASA was trying to keep this information secret, they felt they would be unable after only a month before they decided they had to spill it. This would sort of prove the government agencies are incapable of keeping secrets and if anyone could you would think it would be NASA. The team and people with the info would be some of the smartest people in the US.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Pulled from your page:

The current preferred hypothesis regarding the Moon?s formation is the ?collision? theory. It is, so far, the best at explaining how compositions of rock from the Earth and rock from the Moon differ. According to the collision theory, at the dawn of the Solar System a heavenly body the size of Mars hit the young Earth. As a result, material from the rocky mantle of the heavenly body and of the Earth was hurled into space. This collected in the shape of a ring on a path closely orbiting the Earth where it then gradually ?clumped together? to form the Moon.

It had formed rock and the impacting planet is sort of unknown. The picture on that page I think goes with the liquid theory of it being a droplet that spilled outward.
Like I said it had cooled. Now I did not mean to the point it is now.

In my post I stated "The earth at best had a very thin mantle or crust..."

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I do see you clear it up some. I think we mean the same thing, I just am willing to think there could of been water on one of the sources. I am pretty sure the impact liquefied the entire planet (check my link and the pic). This would of again melted the iron core. Do not know why you think it would stop the rotation. It was not a direct hit either. Again I think everything kept spinning, the heavy metals would of again sunk to the core and settled. The moon did the same but was mostly just rock and cooled entirely much faster (cooled to the point of no core or little core).

1. After you clarified yourself I do believe we mean the same thing.
2. The temperature on the planet at that time would not allow water(h2o) in its liquid form. That is not to say there was none at all because the process of our atmosphere being created was already in process.
3. Yes... the impact undid everything and set the planet back to the beginning.
4. The iron core has always been liquid, even to this day.
5. My basis for core and/or planetary rotation was based on your assumption or my interpretation of your remarks that the earth was completely cooled at the time of impact. It also depends on the angle of impact. Sudden impacts are notorious for stopping motion through kinetic energy. Ever seen the desktop toy or hanging metal spheres that clack together? If you hit someone in the chest with enough force the impact is sufficient enough to disrupt the heart and shut it down.
6. Yeah the moon at one time had a hot core too but it died out due to it's inability to contain the heat. It quickly dissipated.

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I also do not know why you think there could not of been water, vapor, or the compounds needed to allow it to form with cooling. Then I have read a bunch about extremeophiles (spelling) which is life that before we found we figured could not exist. Living in stuff like pure chemicals, unbelievable heat and chemicals, living of of chemicals instead of photosynthesis, and things like that.
I do know most of the other stuff is theories which I do accept and that is why I do allow some imagination and I do my best to keep it clarified.

As stated above there was water. The earth was being constantly bombarded by comets. We all know, or should, that comets are frozen chunks of liquid(mostly water but can include heavier liquids) and gases. The mainstream theory, although recently being challenged, is that this is the source of our waters on earth.

In a nutshell... yes we are on the same page.

BTW, how you feeling? Better I hope.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Darkland

In a nutshell... yes we are on the same page.

BTW, how you feeling? Better I hope.

Well aside from unable to communicate what I am actually thinking. It gets foggy between my head and my hands.
I do think we were on the same page, just with some word issues.

I am feeling not to bad. I just really need sleep. Need to also not be bugged by doctors so often so I can complete tasks like naps and eating a meal. Pain is better controlled though.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Darkland

I am a huge science/astronomy geek and I am not sure where you got that info but some of it is incorrect. The earth most definitely was not cooled at the time of the impact, if indeed that impact even occurred. Earth was still very young, very hot and more than likely had not even an atmosphere let alone water. Water came much later when the earth began cooling and planetary degassing allowed for the formation of our atmosphere.

The earth at best had a very thin mantle or crust but mostly magma in motion. This is what allowed the core of the object that struck the earth to merge with the earths as well as allowing the earth to coalesce back into it's former shape much faster.

If the earth had cooled and an object that size had hit us, nothing would ever evolve on this planet. The kinetic energy of the collision alone would stop the core rotation and leave us a dead planet like Mars. No core rotation, no electromagnetic shielding, no electromagnetic no protection from solar winds, ultraviolet radiation, gamma radiation, and other harmful particles that would destroy any lifeform.

http://spacefellowship.com/2009/07/1...-moon-created/
Check out the photo on that link to see what the earth looked like at the time of the proposed collision.

All the elements were already here for water, from day 1, and was producing water, steam, etc from day 1.

The moon size, its land mass is the size of Africa, it's not as big as some people think. It's age is about the same age as earth, so it's extremely safe to assume the moon was created by an impact or it is the object that hit us.

Then again, that far back we were getting hit with moon sized objects every day..


For all we know, the impact of the moon is what got it earth moving.

The ice is simple... it's in space.

[dav3]

thats pretty huge. hopefully nations can work together to utilize it, instead of trying to control it.

[Waiter]

now , that's really interesting read ... thanks for sharing

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by dav3

thats pretty huge. hopefully nations can work together to utilize it, instead of trying to control it.

What? lol..

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

All the elements were already here for water, from day 1, and was producing water, steam, etc from day 1.

The moon size, its land mass is the size of Africa, it's not as big as some people think. It's age is about the same age as earth, so it's extremely safe to assume the moon was created by an impact or it is the object that hit us.

Then again, that far back we were getting hit with moon sized objects every day..


For all we know, the impact of the moon is what got it earth moving.

The ice is simple... it's in space.

I really think you are very wrong there.
The Earth is a lot older than the moon. It just sort of "shares" ages as well because of the impact. The moon is mostly a piece of the Earth that got chipped of if I recall (remember no real sleep since Friday). The Earth had needed time to form from debris, gather enough mass to become molten. Then it needed time to cool down and form at least the crust if not the crust and some of the mantle. Sure it was being pelted by comets and debris but not other planets. Yes before the main planets that we know became stable. There were many others people guess. This was cleaned up by colliding. You can tell which planets ate the most other planets. The sun wouldnt of gobbled any though cause they would of been in rotation around it already.

Along came a planet (theory) that is named Theia. It was about the size of Mars. It hit part of the Earth due to crossing paths. It was not a direct collision or both would of vaporized, it hit either the top, side, or bottom. This caused both planets to melt near instantly, but a chunk was flung off that would become most of the moon. The Earth regathered most of the debris due to its size and gravity. It once again became a molten ball that needed time to cool. The rest of the debris and the chunk that broke off also formed together and created another molten moon.

The moon was of course a lot closer to the Earth than it is today. Then again it will be farther away tomorrow than it is today because the moon is moving out slowly. Early on the moon caused great havoc on Earth even up to the point of when it cooled and had oceans. It would actually cause the Earth to stretch out along with the moons rotation. Actual movement of the crust, eventually waves thousands of feet high, and another common theory is these tides caused life to form thanks to how much churning the water was doing at the time with assorted proteins in it. Eventually the moon moved far enough away that it no longer effects the Earth that much, just to the point you know today. The moon will never leave 100%. It just is moving out as the Earths rotation slows down. Nothing we will ever have to worry about though.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I really think you are very wrong there.
The Earth is a lot older than the moon. It just sort of "shares" ages as well because of the impact. The moon is mostly a piece of the Earth that got chipped of if I recall (remember no real sleep since Friday). The Earth had needed time to form from debris, gather enough mass to become molten. Then it needed time to cool down and form at least the crust if not the crust and some of the mantle. Sure it was being pelted by comets and debris but not other planets. Yes before the main planets that we know became stable. There were many others people guess. This was cleaned up by colliding. You can tell which planets ate the most other planets. The sun wouldnt of gobbled any though cause they would of been in rotation around it already.

Along came a planet (theory) that is named Theia. It was about the size of Mars. It hit part of the Earth due to crossing paths. It was not a direct collision or both would of vaporized, it hit either the top, side, or bottom. This caused both planets to melt near instantly, but a chunk was flung off that would become most of the moon. The Earth regathered most of the debris due to its size and gravity. It once again became a molten ball that needed time to cool. The rest of the debris and the chunk that broke off also formed together and created another molten moon.

The moon was of course a lot closer to the Earth than it is today. Then again it will be farther away tomorrow than it is today because the moon is moving out slowly. Early on the moon caused great havoc on Earth even up to the point of when it cooled and had oceans. It would actually cause the Earth to stretch out along with the moons rotation. Actual movement of the crust, eventually waves thousands of feet high, and another common theory is these tides caused life to form thanks to how much churning the water was doing at the time with assorted proteins in it. Eventually the moon moved far enough away that it no longer effects the Earth that much, just to the point you know today. The moon will never leave 100%. It just is moving out as the Earths rotation slows down. Nothing we will ever have to worry about though.

How is what I said very wrong?

I said the Earth and the Moon is about the same age.. That is correct, soon after the earth able to, something hit it, in theory, and something created a moon.

If that's a million years, that's close in age in the relation of everything.


Everything else you said is theory, which is in line with what I stated.

[After Shock Media]

bump since by now the story has broke officially.

[d-null]

soon in the future those that doubted that there are other life forms in the universe other than on earth will be eating crow

[aroy3719]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

no oil there, we moved on decades ago...

Lol,

[betabomb]

It'll never be the same.