Why after 20 pages haven't any come in and said that? So far nearly every program owner or manager has said that they would allow this, including a few that have asked that I contact them specifically to get a PPC campaign going for them.

But again, this thread isn't about PPC, its about a program refusing to pay money that is owed to an affiliate.

Whatever... start sending sales to those programs and see how long they let you do it. As I said... I have been an affiliate for years and know that programs don't allow it, generally.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...9#post16620099

hahaha, Teen Revenue, Score Cash, POV Cash, Creative Coin, Bird Bucks, and a few others in that thread all say it is permissible to send them PPC traffic with NO restrictions, including bidding on their domain names. Please stop acting like it is cut and dry, because it is not. If I had to take a guess I would say just as many allow it as don't allow it...

If it is in your terms that you have the right to terminate any affiliate at any time, then you are correct, you can do just that. However, you would terminate them immediately and not let the sales continue to accumulate and the affiliate to continue spending his own funds on sales you do not intend to payout, wouldn't you?

Also, while many programs include that clause to cover their asses, it's what's known as "predatory terms" as I'm sure you are well aware.

The fact here, though, is while to you and D it seems like an obvious case of something that is not accepted, to most everyone else, they were unaware that it's not an acceptable form of marketing, as there ARE programs who do allow it. The case of carding was brought up; that is illegal, so doesn't have to be mentioned. Anything illegal, should not need to be in the terms. Anything legal, SHOULD be clearly defined as not being accepted.

In D's last explanation, he stated the acceptable methods are listed on his site. I couldn't find the terms page, only the FAQ, where it does list some methods. It does not say those are the only methods allowed, however. Otherwise, many valid types of marketing would be outlawed based on that. For example, say someone wanted to market at bars, parties, whatever (offline) with flyers to an affiliate URL they have with his site - it's not listed in the FAQ as a promotional method, so should they expect any sales they generate would not be paid? No, they shouldn't.

Bottom line is the only way to avoid these kind of situations is to contact the program BEFORE you start sending, discuss exactly what you intend to do and see if they have a problem with it. That wasn't done here though, but under the circumstances, you have to side with Shoehorn based on the facts.

Shoehorn gets honors for thread of the week/month/and possibly year.


Does GFY still give prizes for that?

Yes, that's him, ouch.

Robbie made a half hearted attempt, but got run over.

I've been sending sales to dozens of programs both mainstream and adult via PPC for quite awhile now and haven't ever ran into this problem before. In fact if you look at the screenshots I've posted, I've been doing this with HowIGotRich since March and was paid for 3 months, before he decided that he wasn't able pay me or wanted to rip me off.

Its nearly 2010, if a programs TOS doesn't mention anything about PPC traffic then its allowed.

You are wrong. :2 cents:

Just sent you an email. :thumbsup

No... you are right... I wouldn't steal from the affiliate either (on purpose). That said... Dirty D has been around for years and paid affiliates plenty of money... some of the shit that people are calling him in this thread is totally undue. Shoehorn has been an affiliate long enough to know that lots of programs don't allow it and Dirty D may not have noticed it right away or chosen to give him a warning without terminating him. It's kind of a common sense thing from my perspective... I don't bid on adwords like this because I KNOW that is generally not acceptable... especially if I am sending directly to the tour and not to a landing page.

It must be true since you said it... everyone knows you are always on the right side of the issues... accept my apologies.

Wow, that sucks. Even that girl in the article got some money out of Dirty D and he had to yank her content yet this other guy made D some sales and gets nothing. Oh well, time to stop promoting his sites.

I think the issue here though is you are thinking how YOU would have handled the situation; just as if I had been in the situation, I likely would have asked if my planned methods were fine before promoting the program.

Here though, you must put yourselves in the shoes of someone else; if Shoehorn (obviously) didn't think what he bid on was even a possible potential problem, and it's clearly not against the terms, he went ahead and promoted the site and should be paid for his efforts as he violated no rules.

I do think that from this thread though, a lot more people will now ask a program first before starting any PPC campaigns :2 cents:

Ok... I will agree with that. I will also say that Dirty D should have paid him as a matter of business over principle and terminated his account as soon as shoehorn posted this thread.

Thank you, thats what this issue is really about.

Unless the program owner has been living under a rock (crack rock or otherwise), PPC needs to be addressed in their TOS. Scamming an affiliate out of money is no way to run a business. :2 cents:

I agree. And if he would have done that on page one, he would have only had to pay me $350, instead of the $477 he now owes me since a new pay period rolled over.

goodgirl and I have been discussing this issue for the last two days. Any network worth their salt has a TOS that addresses this issue. No doubt, many will not accept PPC traffic for copyrighted words, or their domain name. The difference being that it is in their TOS.

This goes back to at least 2002 [when we first noticed it].

D needs to update his TOS, and he should be paying out that $477 [or whatever it is]. The amount of negative publicity this thread has generated is not worth it.

you dont have it in your term's either, so guess what? if i sent joins to you, you would pay me or i would sue you for my money and damages..

and you know who would win?

for every person that has stuck up for d in this thread, no one has terms that prohibit this practice..

maybe should mind your own business (literally) before you try to mind someone else's.. :2 cents:

He didn't terminate him, he just didn't want to pay. If shoehorn had said nothing you can bet your ass that piece of shit would keep accepting the sales.

Oh? It's common sense? So 98% of the program owners who have come forward and said they were OK with it are what then?

It's not undue, . Why do people have a terms of service in the first place? Is everything in there supposed to be "assumed"? He could have easily paid the $350 in legit sales that shoehorn produced and then changed his TOS. If he wants to act like a clown then he deserves everything coming to him.

BTW, I suggest you change your terms of service. You know that's the perfect place to keep things like this.

holy shit this thread will never dies

Yeah thats the same guy we're dealing with here.

How the fuck is he not in jail for that shit?

There are ZERO paysite owners that want you to purchase their domain name on PPC.

ZERO...

Lots of examples of companies that don't allow it.
You know this.

Somehow I doubt Shap is asking you to send "Twistys" to Twisty.com regardless of what his employee offered.

So ZERO paysites are wanting you to do this.

ZERO...

If you do find a desperate paysite owner, I am sure we can find dozens more that know better... Like you do.

Hard to believe that this does not come up as wire fraud of some type. Contact the authorities and file a report. After sniffing through his shit, maybe he will realize it would have been better just to pay you and update his TOS. Maybe they look at his records on that girl as well. LOL. Make it more problems for the scammer than its worth.

I am leaving the country for a couple weeks and will NOT be online.

This is fun, but I will be unable to play :)
My crew is available for any issues. (non shoehorn issues of course)

Bash away - lol

Uh oh. Is that shit for real? If so, it is worthy of its own post, bumped and bumped and bumped and bumped.

Why is ANYONE doing business with him if that is true? If it's not true, why doesn't D have his attorney remove that shit or sue them? Serious accusations there.

don't worry, this thread will still be on page 1 when you get back... :thumbsup

You are not losing a second of sleep over this because you understand the losers in this business will still send you traffic, no matter what. GFY is such a small percent of webmasters.

Scum bags can never lose in this business. You can fuck over as many people as you want, it doesn't matter. This is adult. Everyone is so desperate for money, they will do anything to get it.

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

http://www.howigotrich.com/images/higr_square.gif

This thread had a hell of a weekend. Went from page 8 to page 23 and it isn't even a whoring contest.

Okay there's whoring, just no contest.

Why not?

No financial risk for me, let some else handle it.
I make money any way. Let the guy that does this make also a little, PPC going wrong can cost a lot.
Traffic doesn't go to a other program

3 times win for me.

I want to hear more about what you did with Warren's Black Guy??
My daddy always told me black guys are dangerous.

what's this about robbie hitting shoehorn with his cane at the next show?

No you read it wrong.
Robbie steals black men.

I refuse to believe it because he did not make the claim combined with how Claudia Marie is the single hottest solo girl on the net today.

dam dirty d is fucking dirty, lol
pay the man

what did he do with the negro fellow after he stole him?

too many pages to read here ...

Quick question Dirty D. I really hope you answer this one. Let's say I own a blog promoting Crackwhore Confessions with the url CrackWhoresConfess.com I update 3 times weekly and work my ass off acquiring shitloads of backlinks for the search term "crackwhore confessions".

A couple months later my blog shows up 5th in the organic Google results for the term "crackwhore confessions" are you saying this traffic is invalid and you will not pay?

Please clear this up for me...

what he is saying is that he would rather find excuses not to pay affiliates because since he got in trouble he now has to fly out of country to beat off in movie theaters abroad..

and that's a lot more expensive then when he was just beating off in the theater down the street from his house.. :thumbsup

You're right if I am not your affiliate you can't police it. So you can do 2 things:
1. stop what you can by telling your affiliates to not do it and leave the door wide open for your competitors.
2. or encourage/allow your affiliates to help you "police" it to at least make sure all of the traffic stays going to your site where you make something opposed to it going to a competitor where you make dick.

Well you could do a 3rd thing and TM it, but you still would have to police it, likely causing less people to mess with that keyword. But if your domain is generic you probably wont even have the chance to TM it.

Sure they are most likely looking for her in all cases. A model's name is a little more targeted than a keyword phrase like "crackwhore confessions". But never the less that really doesn't change anything. They might be looking for a milf blonde with big tits that is into fetish stuff saw your girl on a banner or something then went back later to look for her. They might not be in love with her, just a fan of the niche so any similar site would do. I doubt your model / site is the only one out there like that. If I showed them a similar girl /site chances are they would be fine with it. If they were that dead set on your model in the first place they probably wouldn't be on google typing in her name, they would have bookmarked the site or remembered the name. It just goes to show that somethign made them go back and search for her, to find free porn of her, to find her site, to find other models that look like her, could be serveral reasons. If i provided them with a similar looking model / site or one with even lower membership fees, more content etc.... I would bet I wouldn't have that bad of a conversion ratio.

I'm not impressed with the look of the DenniO site, that is not what I would send to if I was targeting your keywords. But honestly does it make a difference to you if DenniO is making money or not, you are still loosing "your" traffic to them.

reguardless of DirtyD... i dont even care its him... but the questions comes up... When you own a porn business and live porn day in and day out... fucking bitches in hotel rooms and poking glory holes.... how the fuck do you go to a theater and spank off? Why not just in your own home in front of the many many pornos you have access to, not only your own but the plethora already out there...

You can afford to go out of the country for a couple of weeks but not pay your affiliates that you owe money to?

At least we know where your priorities are.

going to a theater to spank it is old school guess.... i don't know maybe there is a fetish for jacking off in a room with other men ? I don't understand it personally. Never the less, what he does in his spare time as much as everyone here wants to trash the guy really is his business and not ours.

Now this on the other hand is very bad, if true:

" So I met him at a dunkin donuts in Holiday and he took me to a hotel saying I had to audition if I wanted to be in porn movies because I'd make tons of money.

I told him I was only 17 and he said it was ok because I was married. So I went and had sex with him for like 10minutes for the "audition". A few days later he called me and said he had a job for me. But he told me I needed to bring a friends i.d so they had it for their records. "

Now that is something, if true. I would be very concerned about if you are promoting his sites. That has nothing to do with his personal life but his business and your business if it is true.

This thread is going to turn ugly. It's digging up a lot of dirt on dirty d some of which is personal, and I can see him retaliating. I think he has the money to pay he is just doing this because he is hard headed and there is no way he would eat crow now and look like he caved in, the more he is pushed the even more unlikely he will never pay. But I see him being pushed now to the point of fighting back with the latest stuff posted in this thread. Just my thoughts....

No he does not, borrow maybe but not steal, the only person in this thread that's stealing is D.

btw: you and Sagi left to your room in a hurry, how did the night end up for you guys, happy endings? :1orglaugh

C'mon dude, you know how the game works. When someone fucks up, its always everyone else's fault and that everyone has an agenda and is out to get them. Now I do not know if Dirty D is guilty of what that ******** article stated, but that would have been a red flag on that type of character and integrity.

I dont think he has any intention of paying you and that definitely sucks. I would have been more pissed as an affiliate if I was promoting his shit back when he had that Kelsie chick's content up. I'd still call the authorities and see about the fraud thing. Worst that can happen is they start poking in on him and find out some other shit.

That article looks like a year old, how come there was never some big shit storm over this?

the guy is a proud and out of the closet scumbag.

really don't understand how you guys think you can shame him.

he jerks off with gay seniors in porn theaters.

I got my doubts he is going anywhere, just good excuse to not respond for a few weeks and hope everyone forgets. Maybe where he is going he has to dress all in orange and have "roommates".