1150..........The thread's got legs :Graucho

more legs than jeffery dahlmer's freezer.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Funny dat, in a sick kinda way:Oh crap

if they type it in the address bar they would be at the site. google allows you to disallow bidding on trademark keywords. There are many many reasons why a site would WANT affiliates to bid on its own keywords, the most obvious being that they can sell the product better.

this has been brought up many times on gfy before, the majority of programs DO allow it, i don't know of ANY programs that dont have it in their tos that dont allow it. Feel free to remind us of any though.

p.s. i have also been an affiliate. As long as there have been affiliates on the net.

i think thats more of a "gut feeling" than a lawfull argument :winkwink: pretty sure a judge would say " come again ? you had a contract he fulfilled the contract, pay the contract"

p.s. on a sidenote , search google for "adobe.com"

It seems that this may not have been the full story. Search the ynot forum for dirty d.

That was my first thought as well actually.

That's what my friends Dad told him when he was little before he went to do a prison stint.

Seems to stay away from anything nation-x does as well. One wonders.

bangbros allows it, but they are pretty small, imlive.com adultfriendfinder.com , but then again those are pretty small inexperienced programs

Never heard of any of them...

For the record, Dirty D has not said he doesn't allow PPC campaigns.

He's not saying he wouldn't buy traffic from you that wouldn't otherwise have been his to begin with.

He has a problem with you buying a PPC campaign and sending traffic via a term he organically already owns the #1 result for. Basically you're making money based on his already existing hard work.

That is the definition of "cyber squatting".

What I find so amusing is that every affiliate posting in here claiming this is a legit manner in which to market via PPC, and saying this is a standard way to promote sites. All the while, virtually no major mainstream affiliate program will allow this. Most of the people in this thread are trying to make the argument that "if it's not in the TOS, then it's fair game!" It's almost like saying that because something isn't illegal, makes it a proper & moral thing to do. Most major affiliate programs don't allow this because they've already built a big brand and don't want their efforts exploited by someone selling their efforts right back to them.

No matter what the explanation, this argument will continue simply because there's a fundamental conflict of agendas here. Affiliates want to make money by any means possible, and affiliate programs want to monetize their brand the best & cheapest way possible.

:2 cents:

Who do you think got the paysite ranked #1 in organic results?

Certainly not the hundreds (if not thousands) of affiliates pointing links to it for several years.

Hearing a company say "look at my badass #1 results" makes me sick.

EDIT - Yes some companies have done 'tons of hardwork' to achieve serps, but for the most part, its affiliates hard work that puts them there.

Affiliate links are redirect links... Affiliate links aren't counted as backlinks, thus they do not affect SERP. Google "link juice" is only passed through the direct link itself. This is something Google has done to prevent the issue you're describing.

This is very far from the truth, and not how things work.

That is NOT cyber squatting...

listen buddy, you just don't get it and never will.. regardless of your opinion of right or wrong is, facts are facts.. its not an affiliates fault because a program owner is too lazy or too cheap to have a REAL lawyer draft up their terms.

its like this, if your keyword had any type of decent search results i would have already picked up your domain in .org and .net and within a week or two i would have pushed your site down to #3 and if i really wanted to spend some time, i could probably push you off page one if i wanted to be a little black..

so, please stop pissing me off before i decide to make an example out of you... :thumbsup

Your whole post is filled with mistakes, but I've chosen this as it is clearly the most asinine.

Have you ever promoted mainstream? Do you know anything about it?

Did you know that AdWords made up 95% of Googles $4 BILLION of revenue last year? Did you know that AdWords is what MADE Google what it is today?

You really think that adult affiliates spent over $3.8 billion last year to bid on adult keywords via PPC campaigns?

If you want to disagree with me thats fine, but before you do I suggest you first know what you are talking about. :2 cents:

Have you ever read court rulings on cyber-squatting? Do you truly understand what a courts definition of it is? It has nothing to do with domain names... but doesn't exclude the use of them in it's definition.

Like I said... this debate will be a never-ending one. No program wants or needs an affiliate like these guys who think promoting in this manner is right.

:2 cents:

Xenigo... why are you giving your program bad PR here by continually arguing the herd of right?

What gave you the inclination that you should keep spouting off in here against the masses, especially when youre more than half wrong...

Stop giving your program bad media... thats all youre doing here...

no one wants them pushing that traffic to their competitor either, right? So lets all just stop using PPC.... oh wait... that wont happen... so whats the best solution for all? Either they buy up those PPC spots themselves or pay the affiliates that buy them...

Edit - or of course have it in their TOS to not be used...

Please provide me/us with a more viable solution?

You cant keep posting unfactual information and then say nobody will win because there is 2 sides.

What you base your arguements on is just wrong. Not in opinion, or merit, but in cold hard facts.

Id like you to elaborate on that point...

I'm having a tough time finding a good example of what I'm trying to illustrate, but I'll talk to my brother tonight who's an attorney... and if he doesn't know, I'll get a referral to an attorney who can articulate my point a little better. Maybe I can find a judge to talk to as well.

Great answer :thumbsup

I wonder how that curious cash thread worked out for them?

This one is on the path to being double that thread in page numbers. CC thread was what, about 7-8 months old? This one is only 4 days old and has the same number of pages.

Been holding off posting because I don't fully understand PPC when it comes to using the actual domain name in Google but checked with my other clients and so far no one allows it when it comes to bidding on the actual site name. No one has objected to geo extensions or variations of the domain tho and neither does DD.

I also want to make it clear that I am not taking sides no do I agree or disagree with either party since I consider Shoehorn a friend and Dirty D a friend who is also a client. While this may be considered a pr opportunity, as a client, HIGR has not instructed me to do anything and DD has actually told me it was up to me if I wanted to post in here or not.

I didn't really want to but have been called in here several times already. BTW

friggen awesome.:1orglaugh

Well Id love to ask some hypothetical questions... but you know my intentions and i dont see why thats necessary at this point...

OK, Ill ask one... hypothetically... If next year at PHX, there is no gelato guy at the counter... would you then rob the joint for all their fruity flavors?

Yes or no?!?!?!?!?

thats bullshit. He found out what was happening, did not contact shoehorn, kept taking the traffic, and made sure that money wasn't sent.

If he was on the "up and up" he would have contacted shoehorn right away and said " yo wtf you doing, stop doing that bro... " How many "honest" companies would continue to take the traffic, make the money but not even bother to contact the affiliate to tell him to stop or to talk to him about it. Especially on something that he doen't say you can't do and most companies allow you to do.

It's bullshit, it is amazing to see some people rush in here to defend him with their blinder on.

I've got no hard feelings toward you, just hope your checks continue to cash.

Glad you like the video. :)

This is EXACTLY what this thread is about. :thumbsup

I am so tempted to go bid on all of these companies that think the traffic is theirs and send it to similar programs of companies who are fine with it. Hearing all of these people bitch and cry about how the traffic is theirs.... would love to see them make none of it since they don't know dick anout marketing, running an affiliate program, and making /protecting sales.

I wonder if Dirty D, and a couple of you other fools, if I was targeting your competitor's keywords and sending it to one of your sites.... would that violate your TOS, if it was making you a couple sales a day would you tell me to stop ?????

if someone is looking for a gay black thug site to send ppc for ghetto things gay gravy's thugs on white boys has been selling well.

as stated before, if that term had more searches i would have already bought the .org and .net today and pushed xenigo down to 3 in a week or two..

but its not worth my time...

24 pages.....wow

What you fail to understand is the surfer ends up on google serps, and then decides which is more likely to fit his search criteria. He didn't magically force the surfer to click on his ad, the surfer preferred his adword ads vs the meta title and description in D's site.

Even if it was remotely "cybersquatting" it wouldn't apply to an affiliate program. That traffic is going to the proprietors site with the exception of the referral code, if the program owner doesn't want his sites promoted in a certain manner it is his responsibility to put it in the terms of service. That's the sole purpose of a TOS.

I can't believe some of you are that fucking retarded. :disgust The term cybersquatting in general applies when someone is using a companies trademark or domain name AGAINST them. The only possible way what he did was wrong is if it was specifically in the terms of service, anyone who thinks or says otherwise doesn't know their head from their ass.

Dirty D. Self Ownage To Be Continued? :eek7

In my opinion it may be the best thing not to try and buy the natural name of a paysite but use PPC for some of the thousands of other variations your imagination can come up with :2 cents:
If you decide to operate in a grey area, it's always a good idea to validate your traffic generation methods in advance.

for the record, I'm not saying buying PPC SE clicks is a grey area, buying natural names of any website is however.

Congratulations on your recent wedding engagement to HowIGotRich employee Jenni Dahling, this response wouldn't have anything to do with that would it? :)

Ok, i can accept all of that. This ppc method isnt something i use. Bu ti know how it works and I know how Programs and their TOS works.

Its not illegal, correct?

Anything earned by a company that is not forbidden within their TOS should have to pay on those commissions earned, right?

And its bad of a company to accept said forbidden traffic and earning without notifying nor paying said affiliate. Especially since those methods were accepted prior to stopping payments without notice?

Wouldnt it be easy to settle this and move on legitimately?

If you encountered this, wouldnt you change your TOS to legally fit your business judgement asap?

Thanks Shoehorn, and for the record, I'm not an employee of HIGR.

put it in your terms and its not an issue.... Why cant people comprehend this..

This thread gets better with each page. Wasnt she an employee of or has strong ties to.............?
And here is another bump Shoehorn.

congrats on your engagement to dirty d.

Wow longest thread in eons. Sig set Shoehorn! :thumbsup

Thanks a lot, but no this is not related.

If you look through my posting history you would probably notice I don't post to get fans or friends but to state my opinion when I feel I got something worthy to say.

I consider D a good friend and also have no grudge again you, misunderstandings can happen for tons of reasons and hope the 2 of you work it out.