Heath Care Bill Facts: According To Far Left Progressives - GoFuckYourself.com

IllTestYourGirls · 12-21-2009, 08:17 AM

"From what we know about the bill, it is worse than passing nothing."

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/200...e-senate-bill/

1. Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations -- whether you want to or not

2. If you refuse to buy the insurance, you'll h...ave to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS

3. After being forced to pay thousands in premiums for junk insurance,
you can still be on the hook for up to $11,900 a year in out-of-pocket
medical expenses.

4. Massive restriction on a woman's right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court

5. Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right
now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and
increase co-ays

6. Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans
won't see any benefits -- like an end to discrimination against those
with preexisting conditions -- until 2014 when the program begins.

7. Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others

8. Grants monopolies to to drug companies that will keep generic
versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market.

9. No reimportation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years

10. The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance
premiums for a family of 4 will rise an average of $1000 a year --
meaning in 10 years, you family's insurance premium will be $10,000
more annually than it is right now.

http://rawstory.com/2009/12/firedogl...e-health-bill/

spazlabz · 12-21-2009, 08:26 AM

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spaz

nation-x · 12-21-2009, 08:27 AM

I am waiting to see what happens in conference... but I completely concur with their assessment of the Senate bill.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-21-2009, 08:29 AM

What is funny is they are pretty much the exact arguments the right had against the bill.

RadicalSights · 12-21-2009, 08:34 AM

So why is it that in Germany everyone gets free health care and the same can't be done in the USA?

IllTestYourGirls · 12-21-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RadicalSights

So why is it that in Germany everyone gets free health care and the same can't be done in the USA?

Well for a couple of reasons. 1) it is not free in Germany 2) Germany does not have a world empire to pay for.

Those bombs Obama is dropping on Pakistan are not free.

nation-x · 12-21-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Well for a couple of reasons. 1) it is not free in Germany 2) Germany does not have a world empire to pay for.

Those bombs Obama is dropping on Pakistan are not free.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

What is funny is they are pretty much the exact arguments the right had against the bill.

Because they helped mold it into what it is now... dems are pussified bitches and let the right manage the message and the result.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-21-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Because they helped mold it into what it is now... dems are pussified bitches and let the right manage the message and the result.

I know both sides are corrupt but I did not know the dems could so easily sell out their voting base. They have super majority and they dont even know how to use it right.

A true reflection the dems leadership and Obama.

spazlabz · 12-21-2009, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I know both sides are corrupt but I did not know the dems could so easily sell out their voting base. They have super majority and they dont even know how to use it right.

A true reflection the dems leadership and Obama.

I cannot remember a time in history that such an unpopular minority party ran the country. In essence thats what the repubs have done, they have set the tone, defined the issues and pushed the dems into submission. it is actually pretty impressive if you're willing to overlook the countries problems

spaz

MaDalton · 12-21-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RadicalSights

So why is it that in Germany everyone gets free health care and the same can't be done in the USA?

who said it's free in Germany?

it's mandatory - and it's - relatively - affordable. 90% are automatically insured through their employer who pays 50% of the premium. if you are unemployed the government pays 100%. the other 10% of the people earn enough to opt in for a private insurance which can be cheaper or offers better services

i am self employed and therefore also in a private insurance. due to a pre-existing condition i have to pay about $600 per month

so - nothing "free" here - but no one needs to worry about paying outrageous bills either

edit: and the system is independent from the other taxes - so it does not matter who bombs who how much

TheDoc · 12-21-2009, 08:54 AM

1) Avg American pays more than 8% now... many pay more out of pocket than that a month for pills alone, for an ER visit, or a co-pay.

2) Yep, have a job you pay taxes.. if you don't you get fined.. this is no different.

3) Yeah, 'could'... but it never says you will be, the poster of the article just makes up examples that 'could' happen.. if the perfect storm came about.

4) Haha... they truly will bitch about anything. They gave the States the power to make the choice, how the core of our Country works... and they bitch about it.

5) Well yeah, I expect Companies to scale back coverage... finally a way they can save money and not be anal rapped by the Insurance companies. You can be damn sure Companies are going to take advantage of this.

6) Yeppers, that's normally how it works.

7) They already can and do this... and they already do work together, controlling the monopoly very tightly making it so no Companies can compete.

8) This appears to do exactly what they can now with the drugs, but... it allows them to make modifications to them rather than it cover the blanket drug. They reached really hard on this one.

9) He kind of has a point.... it's not like the FDA has kept us safe on Imports in recent years... but I expect this will change over time.

10) Aye, like it has done from day 1... I don't see why this would be any different.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-21-2009, 08:58 AM

The Doc. Ok you have a lot of "they do this now" in your posts.

So where is the reform?

And it is a woman, a PROGRESSIVE. Did you think this was a male from the right?

B2BwithJoeD · 12-21-2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nation-x

Because they helped mold it into what it is now... dems are pussified bitches and let the right manage the message and the result.

That's too funny - the Right had no input at all - the bill was molded and fashioned by the same Big Insurance lobbyists that own the 'independent' Lieberman

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

fatfoo · 12-21-2009, 08:59 AM

Obama said,

"They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime."

That sounds like a better thing for the people that get the health care.

IllTestYourGirls · 12-21-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Obama said,

"They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime."

That sounds like a better thing for the people that get the health care.

Wouldnt that raise costs?

spazlabz · 12-21-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

1) Avg American pays more than 8% now... many pay more out of pocket than that a month for pills alone, for an ER visit, or a co-pay.

2) Yep, have a job you pay taxes.. if you don't you get fined.. this is no different.

3) Yeah, 'could'... but it never says you will be, the poster of the article just makes up examples that 'could' happen.. if the perfect storm came about.

4) Haha... they truly will bitch about anything. They gave the States the power to make the choice, how the core of our Country works... and they bitch about it.

5) Well yeah, I expect Companies to scale back coverage... finally a way they can save money and not be anal rapped by the Insurance companies. You can be damn sure Companies are going to take advantage of this.

6) Yeppers, that's normally how it works.

7) They already can and do this... and they already do work together, controlling the monopoly very tightly making it so no Companies can compete.

8) This appears to do exactly what they can now with the drugs, but... it allows them to make modifications to them rather than it cover the blanket drug. They reached really hard on this one.

9) He kind of has a point.... it's not like the FDA has kept us safe on Imports in recent years... but I expect this will change over time.

10) Aye, like it has done from day 1... I don't see why this would be any different.

The bill was supposed to be a 'reform bill'. Not a 'gift to the industry bill' which is what it has turned out to be. In a free society there would not be a 'tax' for health insurance, it would be voluntary. At the very least the bill should have put regulations into place that would break the monopolies they currently enjoy and offer ways to force them to be competitive. This bill is an epic fail. I find it morally objectionable for there to be a 'for profit' health care system. The free market is one thing, but the health of the citizenry should not be a for profit proposition (IMHO)

spaz

TheDoc · 12-21-2009, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

The Doc. Ok you have a lot of "they do this now" in your posts.

So where is the reform?

And it is a woman, a PROGRESSIVE. Did you think this was a male from the right?

This wasn't health care reform, it was reform on the last health care bill... It's called "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009" - No reform in the title.

I know it's a woman, no idea why that or her being a progressive makes a difference. They can be right or left, and be an idiot..

TheDoc · 12-21-2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz

The bill was supposed to be a 'reform bill'. Not a 'gift to the industry bill' which is what it has turned out to be. In a free society there would not be a 'tax' for health insurance, it would be voluntary. At the very least the bill should have put regulations into place that would break the monopolies they currently enjoy and offer ways to force them to be competitive. This bill is an epic fail. I find it morally objectionable for there to be a 'for profit' health care system. The free market is one thing, but the health of the citizenry should not be a for profit proposition (IMHO)

spaz

They have already been named Monopolies, they clearly control the Industry. Like all phone companies, most major Internet companies, Airlines, and many other Industries.

This isn't a gift to anyone, the Insurance companies already had everything in this bill. And if they didn't spell it out, then people would be going off about that, instead of them spelling it out.

Of course it's for profit... what moron business/country would run it at a loss? Other than in America?

12-21-2009, 08:17 AM	#1
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	Heath Care Bill Facts: According To Far Left Progressives "From what we know about the bill, it is worse than passing nothing." http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/200...e-senate-bill/ 1. Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations -- whether you want to or not 2. If you refuse to buy the insurance, you'll h...ave to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS 3. After being forced to pay thousands in premiums for junk insurance, you can still be on the hook for up to $11,900 a year in out-of-pocket medical expenses. 4. Massive restriction on a woman's right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court 5. Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-ays 6. Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won't see any benefits -- like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions -- until 2014 when the program begins. 7. Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others 8. Grants monopolies to to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market. 9. No reimportation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years 10. The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of 4 will rise an average of $1000 a year -- meaning in 10 years, you family's insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now. http://rawstory.com/2009/12/firedogl...e-health-bill/ __________________

12-21-2009, 08:29 AM	#4
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	What is funny is they are pretty much the exact arguments the right had against the bill. __________________

12-21-2009, 08:54 AM	#11
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	1) Avg American pays more than 8% now... many pay more out of pocket than that a month for pills alone, for an ER visit, or a co-pay. 2) Yep, have a job you pay taxes.. if you don't you get fined.. this is no different. 3) Yeah, 'could'... but it never says you will be, the poster of the article just makes up examples that 'could' happen.. if the perfect storm came about. 4) Haha... they truly will bitch about anything. They gave the States the power to make the choice, how the core of our Country works... and they bitch about it. 5) Well yeah, I expect Companies to scale back coverage... finally a way they can save money and not be anal rapped by the Insurance companies. You can be damn sure Companies are going to take advantage of this. 6) Yeppers, that's normally how it works. 7) They already can and do this... and they already do work together, controlling the monopoly very tightly making it so no Companies can compete. 8) This appears to do exactly what they can now with the drugs, but... it allows them to make modifications to them rather than it cover the blanket drug. They reached really hard on this one. 9) He kind of has a point.... it's not like the FDA has kept us safe on Imports in recent years... but I expect this will change over time. 10) Aye, like it has done from day 1... I don't see why this would be any different. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

12-21-2009, 08:58 AM	#12
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	The Doc. Ok you have a lot of "they do this now" in your posts. So where is the reform? And it is a woman, a PROGRESSIVE. Did you think this was a male from the right? __________________

12-21-2009, 08:59 AM	#14
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Obama said, "They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime." That sounds like a better thing for the people that get the health care. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

12-21-2009, 08:26 AM	#2
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12-21-2009, 08:27 AM	#3
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	I am waiting to see what happens in conference... but I completely concur with their assessment of the Senate bill.

12-21-2009, 08:34 AM	#5
RadicalSights So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 1,595	So why is it that in Germany everyone gets free health care and the same can't be done in the USA?