New internet piracy law comes into effect in France - GoFuckYourself.com

halfpint · 01-02-2010, 03:55 AM

The first effects of France's new law against internet piracy will begin to be felt as the new year begins.

The law was passed after a long struggle in parliament, and in the teeth of bitter opposition from groups opposed to internet restrictions.

Illegal downloaders will be sent a warning e-mail, then a letter if they continue, and finally must appear before a judge if they offend again.

The judge can impose a fine, or suspend their access to the internet.

The Creation and Internet Bill set up a new state agency - the Higher Authority for the Distribution of Works and the Protection of Copyright on the Internet (Hadopi).

The law was backed by President Nicolas Sarkozy and the entertainment industry.

Full story here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8436745.stm

crockett · 01-02-2010, 09:44 AM

Nice, but I'm sure that method will just end up clogging up their courts.

EscortBiz · 01-02-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Nice, but I'm sure that method will just end up clogging up their courts.

yes and force them to change the law, the law coming will force those that have content on their servers to have a document proving they are allowed to have it kinda like 2257, 3 times they dont have it and the domain and servers are gone,

fatfoo · 01-02-2010, 10:47 AM

Sounds good - good job, France, or the anti-piracy law.

ArsewithClass · 01-02-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

The first effects of France's new law against internet piracy will begin to be felt as the new year begins.

The law was passed after a long struggle in parliament, and in the teeth of bitter opposition from groups opposed to internet restrictions.

Illegal downloaders will be sent a warning e-mail, then a letter if they continue, and finally must appear before a judge if they offend again.

The judge can impose a fine, or suspend their access to the internet.

The Creation and Internet Bill set up a new state agency - the Higher Authority for the Distribution of Works and the Protection of Copyright on the Internet (Hadopi).

The law was backed by President Nicolas Sarkozy and the entertainment industry.

Full story here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8436745.stm

Wow, I had heard that this law was possibly coming out. Thats great to hear

Does this include torrent and password theft sites?

woj · 01-02-2010, 11:50 AM

that's useless... they get 2 warnings?

and then if they still continue they get dragged to court and get some $100 fine?

pornmasta · 01-02-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Wow, I had heard that this law was possibly coming out. Thats great to hear

Does this include torrent and password theft sites?

Lol this is to protect french culture, not porn

L-Pink · 01-02-2010, 01:41 PM

Nice !!!!!

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seeandsee · 01-02-2010, 01:42 PM

so ISPs will lose cash in billions :D

HomerSimpson · 01-02-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

so ISPs will lose cash in billions :D

I doubt that...

DamianJ · 01-03-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Wow, I had heard that this law was possibly coming out. Thats great to hear

Does this include torrent and password theft sites?

Great you say?

So, Gary, let me ask you a two questions

1) How do you think the ISPs are going to pay for the added workload they will have to do to police their customers?

2) How do you think that a case gets proved? My wireless router isn't password protected. So anyone near me COULD be downloading illegally using my connection. So in this system you think is great, I would get my internet access removed. How is that great? (also spoofing IPs is a piece of piss).

So, I await your answers with interest.

u-Bob · 01-03-2010, 01:59 PM

very sad.... Only people who haven't read the bill think this has anything to do with protecting content, copyright or fighting piracy..

pornmasta · 01-03-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Great you say?

1) How do you think the ISPs are going to pay for the added workload they will have to do to police their customers?

not their job, but if your connection is suspended, you have to pay the bill anyway (for nothing).

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2) How do you think that a case gets proved? My wireless router isn't password protected....
So, I await your answers with interest.

Now you are responsible of your connection. So your connection can be canceled if someone is using your connection to download copyrighted files.

gideongallery · 01-03-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

not their job, but if your connection is suspended, you have to pay the bill anyway (for nothing).

Now you are responsible of your connection. So your connection can be canceled if someone is using your connection to download copyrighted files.

so unless you you buy a $200,000 military grade router for your house that immune to hack with easily downloadable brute force attacks you should be cut off from the internet, wow how the fuck do you believe that is fair.

pornmasta · 01-03-2010, 08:42 PM

Dura lex, sed lex.

Anyway there is a lot of unused laws.
If i receive this kind of letter (if this is an error or if they think that i downloaded some illegal content (how ?) ), first i'll reply to the letter then since i'm working with internet at some moment, i'll just move to another country.
Right now it stinks to much, i have already some problem because i wrote something in this self-proclaimed country of freedom. Just the kind of law that you can use against people to ban them from an internet that becomes more and more useful.

oh yes this is illegal since it is probably copyrighted:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0oZBkZMZTWs

so don't watch and don't go to this link: anyway it is fucking crap or removes the sound, because to jerk off she is still ok.

Lionel · 01-04-2010, 02:05 AM

You dreamed if you believed that it will protect the adult content.
This law is for the friends of politicians.

DamianJ · 01-04-2010, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

not their job, but if your connection is suspended, you have to pay the bill anyway (for nothing).

So who do you think is policing the data in order to work out if someone is alledgedly downloading copyrighted files?

(hint: it is the ISPs)

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

Now you are responsible of your connection. So your connection can be canceled if someone is using your connection to download copyrighted files.

You think that is good?

a) So Grandpa John has them interwebs things and his snotty grandkid comes over and torrents some stuff. Then Grandpa John has his internet taken away.

b) Bob wants to share his wifi so has it unsecured, likes millions do. Someone uses his IP to download illegal content. Bob has his internet removed.

c) Spoofing IPs is easy. Someone spoofs Jason's IP and he gets his internet connection removed.

d) How do you actually PROVE someone downloaded a file? Deep packet analysis. So you lose all privacy as the ISPs have to monitor all your traffic to work out if you MIGHT be downloading something illegal.

You really think all that is a GOOD SOLUTION?

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Piracy is clearly wrong. But this, in my opinion, is an appalling, unenforceable attempt at a solution.

ArsewithClass · 01-04-2010, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

a) So Grandpa John has them interwebs things and his snotty grandkid comes over and torrents some stuff. Then Grandpa John has his internet taken away.

b) Bob wants to share his wifi so has it unsecured, likes millions do. Someone uses his IP to download illegal content. Bob has his internet removed.

c) Spoofing IPs is easy. Someone spoofs Jason's IP and he gets his internet connection removed.

d) How do you actually PROVE someone downloaded a file? Deep packet analysis. So you lose all privacy as the ISPs have to monitor all your traffic to work out if you MIGHT be downloading something illegal.

You really think all that is a GOOD SOLUTION?

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Piracy is clearly wrong. But this, in my opinion, is an appalling, unenforceable attempt at a solution.

I think Grandpa John should keep his eyes on what his snotty grandkids are downloading, Bob should secure his wifi, Try spoof my IP, Leave the proving to the professionals.
I think its a start to downloading copyrighted material. Who knows whats a good solution and what isnt until you try it. Do you not try new things?

Nautilus · 01-04-2010, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

yes and force them to change the law, the law coming will force those that have content on their servers to have a document proving they are allowed to have it kinda like 2257, 3 times they dont have it and the domain and servers are gone,

Yep going after the end user is not a solution, they need to target ISPs. I think they should impose kinda "know your client" policy for ISPs worldwide, like they did with the banks. Under such a policy ISPs will still have their safe harbor, but only when they know the real name and address of their client and can hand it over to either law enoforcement or to the copyright holder for future court case, if this client was caught uploading infringing materials (this goes for both free and paid service providers). If the infringing client could not be found, ISP is responsible (3 strikes or whatever the exact procedure will be, doesn't matter).

raymor · 01-04-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

a) So Grandpa John has them interwebs things and his snotty grandkid comes over and torrents some stuff. Then Grandpa John has his internet taken away.

b) Bob wants to share his wifi so has it unsecured, likes millions do. Someone uses his IP to download illegal content. Bob has his internet removed.

Wrong. Grandpa John and Bob would get warning letters, followed by a second
set of warning letters. Only if they ignore both warning letters and continue to allow
someone to use their connection for theft, then they go to court. If the court finds
that they knowingly allowed it, then the connection could be cut off, but most likely
they would get a fine.

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c) Spoofing IPs is easy. Someone spoofs Jason's IP and he gets his internet connection removed.

Wrong again. You can't spoof my IP and download a file unless I let you.
You can hide your IP by using a proxy service, like those "anonymizer" services,
in which case the IP shows up as the IP of the proxy service who makes a profit
from helping you commit unlawful acts and they are held accountable for what's
downloaded through their IP.

Here's a quick IP 101 -
It's kind of like mail order. Your computer sends a request to the server, saying
"please send this file to me, using my IP address 101.42.88.11". The server then
sends the file back to that IP. If you lie about your IP, you'll never get the file.
Just like if you sent a letter to some mail order company and lied about your address -
you'd never receive the package they send back.

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d) How do you actually PROVE someone downloaded a file? Deep packet analysis. So you lose all privacy as the ISPs have to monitor all your traffic to work out if you MIGHT be downloading something illegal.

Wrong again. We have written software which will prove that you downloaded and
posted content without any involvemnet from the ISP whatsoever.

You really think all that is a GOOD SOLUTION?

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But this, in my opinion, is an appalling, unenforceable attempt at a solution.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your opinion is based on a complete misunderstanding of the law and a complete misunderstanding of how the internet
works as far as the technical details.

Fletch XXX · 01-04-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

Lol this is to protect french culture, not porn

exactly and those standing around cheering it on will think twice when the "priotect the children" laws come their way and go after their porn sites. they are going after porn in the name of culture and people applaud it.

LOL

Fletch XXX · 01-04-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by xyoulove

You dreamed if you believed that it will protect the adult content.
This law is for the friends of politicians.

pornmasta · 01-04-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian

You really think all that is a GOOD SOLUTION?

Me ? for me this law is just shit, i won't make more money with a law like that.

01-02-2010, 03:55 AM	#1
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	New internet piracy law comes into effect in France The first effects of France's new law against internet piracy will begin to be felt as the new year begins. The law was passed after a long struggle in parliament, and in the teeth of bitter opposition from groups opposed to internet restrictions. Illegal downloaders will be sent a warning e-mail, then a letter if they continue, and finally must appear before a judge if they offend again. The judge can impose a fine, or suspend their access to the internet. The Creation and Internet Bill set up a new state agency - the Higher Authority for the Distribution of Works and the Protection of Copyright on the Internet (Hadopi). The law was backed by President Nicolas Sarkozy and the entertainment industry. Full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8436745.stm __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

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pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18,955	Dura lex, sed lex. Anyway there is a lot of unused laws. If i receive this kind of letter (if this is an error or if they think that i downloaded some illegal content (how ?) ), first i'll reply to the letter then since i'm working with internet at some moment, i'll just move to another country. Right now it stinks to much, i have already some problem because i wrote something in this self-proclaimed country of freedom. Just the kind of law that you can use against people to ban them from an internet that becomes more and more useful. oh yes this is illegal since it is probably copyrighted: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0oZBkZMZTWs so don't watch and don't go to this link: anyway it is fucking crap or removes the sound, because to jerk off she is still ok.

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