Vendzilla

Point being that after a year as president, Obama has done nothing to help the unemployed ecept extend benifits


I thought you didn't want God in politics?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

baddog

You think that qualifies as "VERY well paid?" Why would someone become a doctor when they can make more slinging porn?

BFT3K

I'm certain McCain/Palin would have fixed all of our problems by now.

Just a silly saying... you know that.

BFT3K

I guess that's why Clinton didn't get a second term... a majority of Republicans in power prevented that from happening.

Oh, wait a second....

The Demon

Clinton didn't destroy our economy or had approval ratings as low as Obama, I don't think anybody had. But way to prove that you have no grasp on logic

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IllTestYourGirls

So you are ok with people like Bush running your health care? I know I for one am not ok with that.

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BFT3K

Some people on this board say you are a great asset. I tell them they are off by 2 letters.



Only kidding... no one thinks you're an asset.

Vendzilla

McCain didn't win, Obama did and has done nothing but push the healthcare bill, some counties in California have unemployment rates above 20% and that JACK ASS is more concerned about healthcare. People that can't work, can't get healthcare, they have no money, pretty simple.

So lets focus on who is fucking us right now

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

one second later, Clinton got a second term, but lost the house and the senate and things got done.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

The Demon

Just like nobody thinks you are intelligent, or contribute anything to this forum

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BFT3K

That focus would be on those who are obstructing progress, in hopes that Obama will fail - at the cost of what is right for the American people.

If it wasn't healthcare, the opposition would be bashing Obama anyway.

They claimed jobs was the number one issue, and then most of them didn't even vote for the current jobs bill.

It is obvious what is going on, and it's a shame, because WE are the ones who lose in the end.

BFT3K

Funny how often you can be found in almost every thread I start.

You are not in the adult industry, and you weren't even born in the United States!

I find you entertaining, in much the same way that I appreciate flies.

The Demon

What a coincidence. You give anyone arguing with you, a huge self esteem boost because they know that no matter what, they can't possibly be as dumb as you. Thanks for making us laugh

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BFT3K

Good spin, now try to spin the 8 years AFTER Clinton left the country with a budget surplus.

The Demon

What's right for the American people is what the American people want. If we take polls seriously, the majority of people do NOT want Obamacare. We realize you are incompetent, but I didn't think you were as delusional as Pelosi. And spare us your bullshit about "we would be blaming him anyways". If he would have succeeded, you would have sucked him off. While he's failing, you're blaming Bush. Great double standards!

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The Demon

And a subprime mortgage crisis because of his wonderful banking policies

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BFT3K

Obama ran on many issues, including reforming healthcare. He won. Get over it!

BFT3K

Now who's blaming past presidents?

The Demon

He's already committed political suicide, and lost. We'll see if his bill even passes

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The Demon

I was actually using your logic to prove a point. Looks like I succeeded.

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BFT3K

If this bill does not pass, the insurance companies will be dancing in the streets. They have spent over $400,000,000 so far to prevent themselves from answering to anyone.

To think it is better to be slaves to an unchecked, healthcare-for-profit system, is somehow a better plan, then you are just too fucking stupid to bother arguing with anyway.

When your rates skyrocket, and your coverage shrinks, then you can celebrate your wonderful win! Hey, maybe you can vote Palin in next time - she's another fucking genius!

The Demon

Uh, what you have just explained shows you have NO idea what is in Obamacare. NONE whatsoever, not a single thing. Thanks for being an idiot

Gotta love a moron who thinks the private sector is corrupt, but the government isn't. ROFL

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BFT3K

Read it over again sloooooowly Sparky. Maybe some of it will sink in.

How does it feel to be totally brainwashed by Fox News by the way?

The Demon

I wouldn't know. Seeing as how you're definitely the dumbest person on this forum not named TheDoc, I have to inquire about CNN and MSNBC's brainwashing tactics, seeing as how they not only brainwash you, but make you mentally retarded. Btw, there's nothing to read over, since I've read a portion of the bill while you have no clue what's going on other than "I LOVE OBAMA!!"

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CosmicTang

All this arguing is insane. The one guy in Congress who wants to see single-payer health care totally picked up for by the government and is vehemently anti-profit driven health care more than anyone else is Dennis Kucinich.

He thinks the bill sucks and doesn't want it. It's a giveaway to the insurance companies and it won't even take effect for 4 years. Who knows what kinds of loopholes the insurance companies will learn to exploit in that time.

Unfortunately he caved in yesterday. The people are going to lose on this one.

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Joshua G

having health care run by greedy insurance companies or by overpaid federal bureaucrats really is nothing but picking which poison you prefer.

BFT3K

I'm with Dennis on this, and it's a shame that a single payer or public option bill is not on the table anymore, but as the resistance to the current bill has been fucking insane, imagine how it would be if it was more pro-government, and less free market?

He finally accepted that something is better than nothing at all. As I've already stated numerous times: the insurance companies have spent over $400,000,000 to kill this bill, so you have to believe it will provide some checks and balances for us, that are not currently there. It is basically a vote for some reform, as opposed to simply accepting the status quo.

Dirty Dane

It's a right. No one should ask their kids for paying if they get sick or need help.

kane

While tort reform would help (although there are many experts who say it would only lower overall costs by around 5%, that is still 5% less) as far as I know the bill does allow for the creation of groups so that individuals can buy policies from a group pool just as if they were part of a large corporation.

I agree fully that the legislation is flawed and has a lot of problems. I am very hesitant about it and I feel in the end it will become bloated, corrupt and cost a whole lot more than anyone is guessing. Like you I think there needs to be real reform, but this bill probably is not it.

My post was a response to your question about about the government taking over a for profit business. The point is that this business is not a free and fair market. We are forced to pay as much as 500% more (and maybe more in some cases) than other countries do for the same medicine. We are forced to pay this because the government will not allow us to go out on the free market and buy it from an overseas company that sells it cheaper. I don't think the government should take these drug companies over, but they should allow we citizens who pay for our medicine with cash instead of insurance to buy it from wherever we please and create a little competition which might then cause the price to lower here in the states.

Vendzilla

He ran on transparency
Yet in an interview yesterday, wouldn't answer one question asked of him

He ran on passing bills on their own merits
Yet they added Student aid to the health-care bill to create savings to get it past the CBO so they could pass it on a 51% vote, very sleazy thing to do.

He lied on all his issues so far, so trusting that this health-care bill is right for us is a fairy tale

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think about that

The Demon

Holy shit bft3k you didnt read anything cosmic wrote. Moron..

BFT3K

Absolutely! Even the court of GFY has voted 2 to 1 that healthcare is a RIGHT!

baddog

I fear The Demon may be correct about you.

JaneB

BFT3K

Well, I guess when YOU become president YOU can make the decisions.

Let me know when you start your campaign. Maybe I'll donate to your cause.

u-Bob

finally !

BFT3K

I think he has a secret crush on you.

TheDoc

Not even one question? So you don't think he maybe had something else going on?

"He" ran on passing bills.... "They added" - ding ding ding... If he was to hold a sword to them, you guys would be screaming dictator.

He lied on all issues? Really, all issues? That's a huge reach that not even Fox News would try to stretch past the people.

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Vendzilla

It's funny how you debate, you always think you win by changing the subject.


He ran on bills passing on their own merit, have they?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

Changing which subject? The overall post topic that you changed, or one of many sub-topics being talked about, or me adding questions to your overall statement made?

I didn't really debate anything... Mine is more comments and questions.


And yes, lots of bills go through every day without anyone ie: Obama, touching them, the bill passes on it's own merit. The difference here is, Obama said he would do health care and the people wanted it, and many still do... so it's a bit more expected that this topic would get pushed through vs. passing on it's own merit.

Either way, it's not a giant conspiracy...

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CosmicTang

Interesting take on it.

Here's the rub though: Capitalism tends to commodify everything up to and including people. So while you can say that we should not be able to grant certain commodities or services to people for free I can say that certain things should not be commodified.

Should clean air and water be commodified? Should health care? Should people?

The profit motive is a wonderful servant and is useful in that role. When it becomes the master, as it clearly has, it becomes a tyrant and counterproductive to society.

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The Demon

Don't bother arguing with thedoc. He won't be bringing facts into a discussion and he will use misdirection when you call him out. And bft3k, thanks for continuously proving your stupidity.

TheDoc

Haha, yes, rather argue with a pile of spooge that thinks you're scum for being in the industry..... a laughable nobody at that.

Fact, my donkey cock just blew it's load in your mouth... your family's dinner is up!

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BFT3K

You are easily the FUCKING DUMBEST person I have EVER had the misfortune of running across. I think I would have to travel to every single corner of this planet just to find someone half as stupid as you!

Seriously, I truly think you are a total fucking moron. I cannot look down upon you any more than I already do. You are a waste of everyone's time. You HAVE to be a loner, because if ANYONE was stuck in a room with you for more than 2 minutes you would not survive the experience.

In other words, I think you are a total asshole...

The Demon

Is this because i called you out on being a buffoon and other people noticed? Is it because all your time on this forum has amounted to you being known as a buffon? It must be both since you're essentially repeating what I always say to you, further proving my point and making yourself appear impossibly dumber. At least thedoc has reduced his post count when people started calling him stupid. You might be even dumber because you are still typing. Thanks for making me laugh, dumbass.

BFT3K

Ever wonder how much better life could have been for you, if only you had received enough oxygen at birth... or if your parents weren't brother and sister?

I take back all of my insults. It is wrong to make fun of retarded people.

My apologies.

TheDoc

Wow man, you're a serious stalker... get some help. I only post 2.73 times a day on average, so it's really freaky to know my last weeks average slipped to 2.63 and you kept track of it.

Stalking should be against the rules and again you need help!

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The Demon

Yay, I missed the forum joke. I'll be careful and not make you the center of ridicule again.

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The Demon

Or I just don't see you posting where I post anymore. Logic 1 the doc 0

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The Demon

I wouldn't think someone with a retarded IQ(you), would try to call someone else retarded. No matter, I got my point across with making you look stupid, like I do with the doc. Now I suspect you'll start crying and bitching and maybe you'll even call for my banning! Either way, it's going to be hilarious. Do continue.

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