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weekly · 03-21-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HandballJim

maybe but I do live in the media capital of the world...and I am sure the same programming is syndicated in your town.

London?????

HandballJim · 03-21-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Oh noooo, nobody is blaming Bush. He was great! He was a fine president for 8 years!

.... in Bizzaro World!

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

The Democrats also voted to go to war in Iraq.

The stock market hit record highs while Bush was president. Apparently, The tax breaks helped the economy until the price of oil pushed gas prices to $4.50-$5.00 a gallon, causing people to stop spending money, thus pushing the country into a recession.

http://stockcharts.com/charts/historical/djia2000.html

And before you and everyone blames Bush for the last 4 years, don't forget, the Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress for the last 4 years.

Before you call me a Republican or anything else, Im an Independent. I vote for the candidate, not the party.

Suzzy, thanks for bringing facts into the discussion. Unfortunately, BFT3K is too stupid to understand.

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

LOL...in your dreams. You might be confused, but I would not state that publicly...unless I was....hmmm....confused. Fucking right wing radicals. Low information voters.

HAHAHA anyone who disagrees with the moron that is "weekly" MUST be a right wing radical... ROFLROFLROFL what an idiot

HandballJim · 03-21-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

London?????

thats funny that you would even waste your time from watching soccer to start a thread about healthcare in america. but I'll be nice since I work for a company that has a parent company in the UK...and the guys I deal with are nice people.

Oh yeah did I not read that your taxes went from 40%-50% wtf

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HandballJim

thats funny that you would even waste your time from watching soccer to start a thread about healthcare in america. but I'll be nice since I work for a company that has a parent company in the UK...and they guys I deal with are nice people.

Oh yeah did I not read that your taxes went from 40%-50% wtf

so where is this media capital of the world? Tokyo? Beijing? Paris? You tell me dude.

edit: I just got it...Kansas City. What was I thinking?

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

The stock market is populated by gambling addicts that have little or no respect for you or your life. Why do you, as a low income earner, think that this is a good thing?

Dude,
Lay off of the meth. We are heavy in the stock market and we dont have gambling problems. I bet we make more money on stocks than you make in a years time.

I am a low income earner?.... Thats the funniest thing I have heard in years.

My husband and I own a house on the shore and farm in Vermont as well as a condo in a resort town. We are by no means "a low income earner"..

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Suzzy, thanks for bringing facts into the discussion. Unfortunately, BFT3K is too stupid to understand.

Apparently, He is not the only one.

HandballJim · 03-21-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

so where is this media capital of the world? Tokyo? Beijing? Paris? You tell me dude.

edit: I just got it...Kansas City. What was I thinking?

New York City of course.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

Dude,
Lay off of the meth. We are heavy in the stock market and we dont have gambling problems. I bet we make more money on stocks than you make in a years time.

I am a low income earner?.... Thats the funniest thing I have heard in years.

My husband and I own a house on the shore and farm in Vermont as well as a condo in a resort town. We are by no means "a low income earner"..

And??? You own a house. Wow...I guess that puts you in the top 10 per cent.....not. How much can a house and condo cost in where???Vermont? Not a lot. Dude. I own houses, one of which is in London, and I don't consider myself anything but middle class. Which, in this instance, is pretty low income.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HandballJim

New York City of course.

Why didn't you just say it. It is one of the media centers. I used to work at 30 Rock. Close to you?

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

And??? You own a house. Wow...I guess that puts you in the top 10 per cent.....not. How much can a house and condo cost in where???Vermont? Not a lot. Dude. I own houses, one of which is in London, and I don't consider myself anything but middle class. Which, in this instance, is pretty low income.

According to the IRS, we happen to be in the top tax bracket. So GFY.

You are living proof that Meth is bad.

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Why didn't you just say it. It is one of the media centers. I used to work at 30 Rock. Close to you?

What happened?. you got fired?. My husband use to be a manager at 30 Rock in the BNO. Then he was offered a sweet early retirement package and said BYE BYE.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

According to the IRS, we happen to be in the top tax bracket. So GFY.

You are living proof that Meth is bad.

I am sure...but those are stats. The difference between you an real money is huge. Property in Vermont is cheap as chips.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzyq

what happened?. You got fired?. My husband use to be a manager at 30 rock in the bno.

Nope....I moved on. No idea what what bno is.

Sausage · 03-21-2010, 10:13 PM

Just picked up a nice cross section of US Insurance related stocks. I should be nicely poised to cash in on this

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Just picked up a nice cross section of US Insurance related stocks. I should be nicely poised to cash in on this

good luck....

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

I am sure...but those are stats. The difference between you an real money is huge. Property in Vermont is cheap as chips.

You are a fuckin moron. What you conciser to be stats, the IRS considers to be "tangible assets". We have real money and property in Vermont is not "cheap as chips"... Far from it.

Do you own a farm in Vermont?

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Nope....I moved on. No idea what what bno is.

If you worked at 30 Rock and have no idea what the BNO is, you dont belong in 30 Rock. Unless you were part of the cleaning crew.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

You are a fuckin moron. What you conciser to be stats, the IRS considers to be "tangible assets". We have real money and property in Vermont is not "cheap as chips"... Far from it.

Do you own a farm in Vermont?

Why would I? Don't get me wrong Montpellier is a nice town and the cooking school rocks. But it is not expensive. Real money owns yachts and planes and...well you get it. You are prolly like me. Middle class with a couple of cars and houses. Nothing wrong with it, but it ain't rich and you need health insurance that works. That is my point. You only have money until you get sick or in a car wreck and your insurance company fucks you over.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzyq

if you worked at 30 rock and have no idea what the bno is, you dont belong in 30 rock. Unless you were part of the cleaning crew.

nbc.........and that was just where I negotiated my contract.

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

Dude,
Lay off of the meth. We are heavy in the stock market and we dont have gambling problems. I bet we make more money on stocks than you make in a years time.

I am a low income earner?.... Thats the funniest thing I have heard in years.

My husband and I own a house on the shore and farm in Vermont as well as a condo in a resort town. We are by no means "a low income earner"..

His usual insult is "low income earner/low information voter", lol. Also, what does your portfolio look like?

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Why would I? Don't get me wrong Montpellier is a nice town and the cooking school rocks. But it is not expensive. Real money owns yachts and planes and...well you get it. You are prolly like me. Middle class with a couple of cars and houses. Nothing wrong with it, but it ain't rich and you need health insurance that works. That is my point. You only have money until you get sick or in a car wreck and your insurance company fucks you over.

When was the last time you were in Vermont? Thanks to Howard Dean, Vermont is 1 of the most expensive states in New England. Every tax possible was raised 2 and 3 times under him. With combined incomes of over 250k, We are in the top tax bracket.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

When was the last time you were in Vermont? Thanks to Howard Dean, Vermont is 1 of the most expensive states in New England. Every tax possible was raised 2 and 3 times under him. With combined incomes of over 250k, We are in the top tax bracket.

250K is middle class. Sorry, but that ain't rich. No offense, but you could be wiped out in a heart beat if you get sick. I bet 160K puts you in the same tax bracket. Damn...this board can screw up your perspective. What does a million dollars buy you in Vermont?

No offense....and I really really don't mean any...but my point is that this health care bill is what you need. You think you are well off, but you are not if you need serious help. The odds are you will. And all of that wealth that you have acquired could be gone in six months. You should be really happy that you and your kids will not have to worry about going broke. This is not about chest beating, but staying alive and healthy.

POed-poster · 03-21-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Holy shit is there anyone dumber than weekly as of that post? What people are you talking about, because he majority of americans oppose obacare and "people" don't vote on passage. Furthermore, nobody can fail as bad as obama and the democrats have thus. I know i call people stupid all the time but your retarded, ignorant post is only rivaled by thedoc. I feel awful for you.

The only reason there is any kind of majority is because of the propaganda and outright LIES from the ignorant right wing Jesus thumpers. The majority in question consists mainly of old people who bought into the fucking BULLSHIT being spread by the teabagger rednecks. FUCK THEM ALL.

I LOVE it. The far right works so fucking hard to shove their agenda down out throats and they FAIL EVERY SINGLE TIME.

We now have national healthcare. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

2MuchMark · 03-21-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

I love the use of "we" here as if you represent the majority of canadians. I know quite a few who have a completely opposite opinion and believe obama is a black bush dooming our economy. But nice to see your bias.

Clearly I don't speak for all Canadians. When I say WE, I mean my friends, family, and the occasional Joe who I may strike up a conversation with. I present my "facts" not as representative of my entire country, just simply as those who I have talked to on the subject.

SuzzyQ · 03-21-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

What does a million dollars buy you in Vermont?

About a 3000 Sq Ft house along the water south of Burlington with a half acre of land.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by POed-poster

The only reason there is any kind of majority is because of the propaganda and outright LIES from the ignorant right wing Jesus thumpers. The majority in question consists mainly of old people who bought into the fucking BULLSHIT being spread by the teabagger rednecks. FUCK THEM ALL.

I LOVE it. The far right works so fucking hard to shove their agenda down out throats and they FAIL EVERY SINGLE TIME.

We now have national healthcare. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

What these morons fail to mention is that the majority elected a president who clearly said he would do this....and he did what he was elected...by the majority of Americans...to do. End of story.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

About a 3000 Sq Ft house along the water south of Burlington with a half acre of land.

I rest my case....cheap as chips. Around here...1.2 million dollars buys you a 1400 square foot condo and a million bucks buys a tear down house. And in London, it buys a 2 bedroom flat that may or may not have parking.

Sausage · 03-21-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by POed-poster

We now have national healthcare. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ah .. no actually you don't. Australia, Canada, UK have national healthcare. What you now is a mandated insurance scheme.

Robbie · 03-21-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Add $2.5 TRILLION lost to unnecessary tax breaks for the richest of the rich

You do realize that money that was "lost" doesn't belong to the govt. It belongs to the people who EARNED it. In my opinion that is one of the problems with the govt.
They see OUR money as theirs and feel free to take it and spend it on wars and military and bailouts of INSURANCE companies and banks.

Income tax is the biggest criminal act in the world. I am barely keeping my head above water because of taxes. And everyday on television I see ads for lawyers and companies helping people out of tax debt.

I don't see a lot of ads for companies and lawyers looking to help people because medical bills have bankrupted them.

I'm 100% positive that people DO get bankrupted by medical costs. But that is because in the United States we pay more than any country in the world for treatment and prescriptions (what a ripoff).

But I would say that MORE people are struggling to pay back taxes. Especially since the economy collapsed so hard so fast.

Anyway, sorry to take it off topic. I was just reading your post and wanted to throw in my two cents that it's not money that "we" "lost". It's money that was kept in the hands of it's rightful owners...the people who earned it.

ninavain · 03-21-2010, 10:42 PM

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As a Canadian, what we see from our point of view is the incredible lack of health care, and the outright slaps in the face Americans get from the Health Insurance companies. To us, the health care bill is extremely important and long overdue for our American friends.

On Obama we see a very smart guy who inherited 8 years worth of garbage thanks to George W Bush. He seems to be trying very hard to fix all of these problems and should be commended on it.

The people who should be ashamed of themselves are the Republicans and especially Fox News who go way out of their way to attempt to discredit Obama on everything, edit video of news events to appear differently then they actually did, and flat-out lie again and again to anyone who will listen. If the Grand Old Party really cares about America they would try to help instead of block the Dem's efforts every which way they can.

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by POed-poster

The only reason there is any kind of majority is because of the propaganda and outright LIES from the ignorant right wing Jesus thumpers. The majority in question consists mainly of old people who bought into the fucking BULLSHIT being spread by the teabagger rednecks. FUCK THEM ALL.

I LOVE it. The far right works so fucking hard to shove their agenda down out throats and they FAIL EVERY SINGLE TIME.

We now have national healthcare. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

^Representative of the liberals ROFL

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Ah .. no actually you don't. Australia, Canada, UK have national healthcare. What you now is a mandated insurance scheme.

Shhhh you're confusing the moron.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You do realize that money that was "lost" doesn't belong to the govt. It belongs to the people who EARNED it. In my opinion that is one of the problems with the govt.
They see OUR money as theirs and feel free to take it and spend it on wars and military and bailouts of INSURANCE companies and banks.

Income tax is the biggest criminal act in the world. I am barely keeping my head above water because of taxes. And everyday on television I see ads for lawyers and companies helping people out of tax debt.

I don't see a lot of ads for companies and lawyers looking to help people because medical bills have bankrupted them.

I'm 100% positive that people DO get bankrupted by medical costs. But that is because in the United States we pay more than any country in the world for treatment and prescriptions (what a ripoff).

But I would say that MORE people are struggling to pay back taxes. Especially since the economy collapsed so hard so fast.

Anyway, sorry to take it off topic. I was just reading your post and wanted to throw in my two cents that it's not money that "we" "lost". It's money that was kept in the hands of it's rightful owners...the people who earned it.

Here is where you lose the argument. You were fortunate enough to be born with opportunity. You never built the infrastructure...the schools, the roads, the community...that gave you the opportunity to earn that money. You owe something to the country that made it possible for you to achieve the standard of living that you have. Its payback time. You think all of this is free? Think again.

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 10:47 PM

What an idiot. Yes, the poor are poor because they lacked the opportunity. +1 for personal responsibility, jackass.

Robbie · 03-21-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Here is where you lose the argument. You were fortunate enough to be born with opportunity. You never built the infrastructure...the schools, the roads, the community...that gave you the opportunity to earn that money. You owe something to the country that made it possible for you to achieve the standard of living that you have. Its payback time. You think all of this is free? Think again.

Bro, my PROPERTY TAXES pay for the schools. The highways were originally built by Pres. Eisenhower because he wanted national roads big enough to move tanks on in case we were invaded. I just moved to Vegas last year. Before that I was in South Carolina where I also paid city and county and state taxes for my "infrastucture".

Also on the subject of highways...we were told 20 years ago that all these taxes on our gasoline that make it so expensive were going to be used for our highways and national infrastructure. Guess what? I think they bought guns and tanks with that and it's all in Iraq and Afghanistan. lol

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Bro, my PROPERTY TAXES pay for the schools. The highways were originally built by Pres. Eisenhower because he wanted national roads big enough to move tanks on in case we were invaded. I just moved to Vegas last year. Before that I was in South Carolina where I also paid city and county and state taxes for my "infrastucture".

Also on the subject of highways...we were told 20 years ago that all these taxes on our gasoline that make it so expensive were going to be used for our highways and national infrastructure. Guess what? I think they bought guns and tanks with that and it's all in Iraq and Afghanistan. lol

But all the taxes you ever paid in your life will never pay for the society that has been created and built on the backs and taxes of those who worked hard for it. You only contribute to the maintenance. You got lucky.

theking · 03-21-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Income tax is the biggest criminal act in the world. I am barely keeping my head above water because of taxes. And everyday on television I see ads for lawyers and companies helping people out of tax debt.

Hmm...I do not resent paying taxes and I have never had a problem paying my due taxes. I do not understand why anyone would have a problem keeping their head above water because of taxes. Maybe you can explain and help me to understand?

I should add a qualifier...in that I do not always like what the government spends tax dollars on...but they have their priorities and I may have a different set of priorities...that is why they have elections.

weekly · 03-21-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Hmm...I do not resent paying taxes and I have never had a problem paying my due taxes. I do not understand why anyone would have a problem keeping their head above water because of taxes. Maybe you can explain and help me to understand?

actually I was wondering that myself. I pay taxes and I have never considered it an inconvenience much less a burden that would sink me.

Robbie · 03-21-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

But all the taxes you ever paid in your life will never pay for the society that has been created and built on the backs and taxes of those who worked hard for it. You only contribute to the maintenance. You got lucky.

I am a very lucky person indeed. And yes, this country was built on the backs of hard working PEOPLE. Not govt.

And those people that worked so hard and built it into something that can give people opportunity were not shackled by the govt and taxed so hard either. They were free to pursue the American Dream.

In my opinion, if Obama had done this right he would have took the bull by the horns himself. And we would have a REAL healthcare bill that gave everyone in this country HEALTHCARE.

That's something I wouldn't mind my taxes going to.

But instead, he FIRST cut a deal promising the pharmaceutical companies that they can continue ass fucking us. Then he handed the ball to Congress. And they did what came natural. They cut deals with the insurance companies. So now we have a nationally mandated Insurance scam.

We now HAVE to buy health insurance, whether you want to or not. And they are hiring 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce that.

Is this "healthcare reform"?

Seems to me that true reform would be stopping the hospital industry and the pharmaceutical industry from making it so expensive in the U.S. that people can no longer afford to go to the doctor without insurance.

Maybe I'm just a little older than some of you. But to me it seems ridiculous to think that an average person can't just go to the doctor and be able to pay out of pocket. That's what I did for most of my life. That's what my parents and their parents and their parents did. But now? We are ALL getting ass raped by the medical and insurance industry.

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 10:59 PM

It's only health care reform to the desperate and delusional idiots clinging to a losing party.

AmeliaG · 03-21-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

250K is middle class. Sorry, but that ain't rich. No offense, but you could be wiped out in a heart beat if you get sick. I bet 160K puts you in the same tax bracket. Damn...this board can screw up your perspective. What does a million dollars buy you in Vermont?

No offense....and I really really don't mean any...but my point is that this health care bill is what you need. You think you are well off, but you are not if you need serious help. The odds are you will. And all of that wealth that you have acquired could be gone in six months. You should be really happy that you and your kids will not have to worry about going broke. This is not about chest beating, but staying alive and healthy.

No. A lifetime of insurance costs more than a lifetime of healthcare. I did the math, determined I could not afford insurance, but I could afford healthcare, admittedly with a struggle, but I could do it. I am not gambling and I don't need some middleman insurance adjuster deciding what medical care I do and do not need.

The math simply does not work with for-profit insurance. It *can't* work because the house has to win. You bet you will get sick and they bet you won't and their business model depends upon the vast majority of their customers being fundamentally cheated.

Robbie · 03-21-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Hmm...I do not resent paying taxes and I have never had a problem paying my due taxes. I do not understand why anyone would have a problem keeping their head above water because of taxes. Maybe you can explain and help me to understand?

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Originally Posted by weekly

actually I was wondering that myself. I pay taxes and I have never considered it an inconvenience much less a burden that would sink me.

That's an easy one.
In Sept. of 2008 I moved from S.C. to Las Vegas. I bought a 3/4 million dollar home. I put down $225,000 on it to move in. I paid a little over 20 grand to have two moving trucks bring all my furniture and cars across country. I flew my wife, 2 kids, 3 dogs, and a cat here.

The week we arrived, the economy crashed.

I netted $600,000 in 2008.

In 2009 I netted $275,000

I just now had to cash out my SEP plan to pay off my last quarter of 2008 taxes.
I haven't been able to pay ANY of my 2009 taxes and I still haven't gotten my first quarter of 2010 yet either.

Now does that make sense why so many people are screwed? You have one income, and you see it cut in half. The fact that I was saving my money to make the big move screwed me up because I never in my wildest dreams thought the economy would crash this hard.

But if you guys don't see that happening here...then I would suggest you go to any American city and turn on the televison and you will see commercial after commercial for companies that offer their services to help people to get out of tax debt by cutting deals with the govt. to pay pennies on the dollar.

I'm not doing that by the way. I WILL work through this. It's gonna take a little while. But I'm doing better than anybody else I know. Even with having my income cut in half. So I'm not crying about it. I'm just saying that having the govt. just TAKE the money that people earn is bullshit.

I'm glad you guys enjoy paying taxes. I don't. lol

The Demon · 03-21-2010, 11:07 PM

Robbie, I agree that heavy taxation is unconstitutional. But taxation in this country is definitely needed. However, if our economy was actually prospering, we could afford a flat tax.

POed-poster · 03-21-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

What these morons fail to mention is that the majority elected a president who clearly said he would do this....and he did what he was elected...by the majority of Americans...to do. End of story.

Agreed. It totally pisses me off when they claim to speak for me.

These people have been slandering this president mercilessly, calling him everything from a Nazi to a Muslim to a Communist. But he has accomplished more in one year than most of his predecessors did in their entire administrations. Clinton failed to deliver on health Care Reform and remember Bush and Social Security. Neither of those presidents had near the opposition that Obama had.

Rangermoore · 03-21-2010, 11:13 PM

I just want someone, anyone to show me where in the US Constitution that I have an obligation to pay for other peoples healthcare or that I MUST buy health insurance...

The fed govt has no authority to make me buy health insurance.

POed-poster · 03-21-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Shhhh you're confusing the moron.

Why do you keep coming here? All you ever do is insult people. You are a fucking idiot!

theking · 03-21-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And those people that worked so hard and built it into something that can give people opportunity were not shackled by the govt and taxed so hard either. They were free to pursue the American Dream.

Are you aware that when JFK became President the tax rate on the wealthy was 92% and now it is what...38%?

POed-poster · 03-21-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

It's only health care reform to the desperate and delusional idiots clinging to a losing party.

CRY!

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Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	I just want someone, anyone to show me where in the US Constitution that I have an obligation to pay for other peoples healthcare or that I MUST buy health insurance... The fed govt has no authority to make me buy health insurance.