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Old 03-21-2010, 11:17 PM   #151
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That's an easy one.
In Sept. of 2008 I moved from S.C. to Las Vegas. I bought a 3/4 million dollar home. I put down $225,000 on it to move in. I paid a little over 20 grand to have two moving trucks bring all my furniture and cars across country. I flew my wife, 2 kids, 3 dogs, and a cat here.

The week we arrived, the economy crashed.

I netted $600,000 in 2008.

In 2009 I netted $275,000

I just now had to cash out my SEP plan to pay off my last quarter of 2008 taxes.
I haven't been able to pay ANY of my 2009 taxes and I still haven't gotten my first quarter of 2010 yet either.

Now does that make sense why so many people are screwed? You have one income, and you see it cut in half. The fact that I was saving my money to make the big move screwed me up because I never in my wildest dreams thought the economy would crash this hard.

But if you guys don't see that happening here...then I would suggest you go to any American city and turn on the televison and you will see commercial after commercial for companies that offer their services to help people to get out of tax debt by cutting deals with the govt. to pay pennies on the dollar.

I'm not doing that by the way. I WILL work through this. It's gonna take a little while. But I'm doing better than anybody else I know. Even with having my income cut in half. So I'm not crying about it. I'm just saying that having the govt. just TAKE the money that people earn is bullshit.

I'm glad you guys enjoy paying taxes. I don't. lol
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Agreed. It totally pisses me off when they claim to speak for me.

These people have been slandering this president mercilessly, calling him everything from a Nazi to a Muslim to a Communist. But he has accomplished more in one year than most of his predecessors did in their entire administrations. Clinton failed to deliver on health Care Reform and remember Bush and Social Security. Neither of those presidents had near the opposition that Obama had.

Uhm, what Robbie said. Instead of having a polarized discussion of what the most extremist right wing folks or most extremist left wing folks have to say on a bad day . . . what about the issue? If the economy is devastated and I get mandatory health insurance tacked onto my personal expenses, how is that helpful or any kind of government accomplishment?
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:20 PM   #152
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The only reason there is any kind of majority is because of the propaganda and outright LIES from the ignorant right wing Jesus thumpers. The majority in question consists mainly of old people who bought into the fucking BULLSHIT being spread by the teabagger rednecks. FUCK THEM ALL.

I LOVE it. The far right works so fucking hard to shove their agenda down out throats and they FAIL EVERY SINGLE TIME.

We now have national healthcare. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Hey moron or demotard,

1. black jesus still has to sign the bill.
2. The senate must still reconcile the bill. The 2 bills do not match and they MUST match.
3. Have a look at this.. http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...xits-bill.html

Your doing good, keep hitting the crack pipe...or shall I say "sucking the govt dick"..

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Old 03-21-2010, 11:21 PM   #153
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I just want someone, anyone to show me where in the US Constitution that I have an obligation to pay for other peoples healthcare or that I MUST buy health insurance...

The fed govt has no authority to make me buy health insurance.
The Supreme Court is the determiner of what laws are constitutional and what laws are not. There is not any doubt in my mind that parts of the health care bill will work its way through the courts up to the Supreme Court. It is they and not the Executive or the Congress...and certainly not the individual...that will determine what you are required to do by law.
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Old 03-22-2010, 01:51 AM   #154
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Of course you are going to have to pay for this, moron. You think life is free? I am sorry that your business is so bad you can't afford it. You might reconsider your life choise. Porn is not for everyone. You have to be really good to survive this shit.


You are the one that thinks life is free. If someone can't pay for insurance, the rest of us should pay for it. I pay for my own insurance, and I would never want nor expect the government to pay for it. You keep telling everyone that doesn't want to pay for this bill that they must not be making money. In reality most of us do make money in porn, we just don't want to pay for deadbeat idiots like you.
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You are the one that thinks life is free. If someone can't pay for insurance, the rest of us should pay for it. I pay for my own insurance, and I would never want nor expect the government to pay for it. You keep telling everyone that doesn't want to pay for this bill that they must not be making money. In reality most of us do make money in porn, we just don't want to pay for deadbeat idiots like you.

The most messed up thing about this is that I would see setting up more urgent care (in place of emergency room or skipping the doctor) clinics as healthcare reform. Then people could talk about whether helping others was legit, but this is not that really. Forcing me to buy insurance I decided I could not afford is just an insurance industry bailout to go with AIG's sugar daddy deal. Forcing others to help pay to insure lower income people (rather than the more economical option of caring for them) is just more robbery without philanthropy.
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I just want someone, anyone to show me where in the US Constitution that I have an obligation to pay for other peoples healthcare or that I MUST buy health insurance...

The fed govt has no authority to make me buy health insurance.



They do not have the authority. That is why 36 states plan to fight this. It violates the Tenth Amendment.


"The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states by the constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people"
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Somebody has to. You don't run up a huge deficit over 8 years and the cost of a useless war without a cost. Who the fuck do you think pays for this shit?
NO,I said I can't wait to start paying for the new health care bill. I already know that I will be paying for the war. Don' t blend the two together.

I don't know why anyone argues politics on this board. Biggest waste of time in history. You all think you are so right. It's like a bunch of Rush and Michael Moore's on here. Idiot extremist from both parties that think their party can do no wrong and the other party is wrong all the time.

I can't stand republicans and democrats. both are morons. I just get left having to pay for both of their bullshit. Their bull shit wars, and their bullshit lets tax the successful rich people to death because the poor should have everything for free. fuck you both.
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:18 AM   #158
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Now the the civilization destroyers in power in this country will give amnesty to over 10 million illegal aliens. Our taxes will go to pay for their health care

Congrats on ruining this once great country. Its really over now.
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Your insurance premiums already have paid and do pay for the health care of every poor person, citizen or not. Now you'll have accountability and no more raised rates without justification.

People will come around to this EXACTLY like they came around with SS and with Medicare. Think long term.
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:30 AM   #160
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I'm not sure what the cure is for delusion Tom. I would ask a doctor, but most of them are getting out of the business
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I rest my case....cheap as chips. Around here...1.2 million dollars buys you a 1400 square foot condo and a million bucks buys a tear down house. And in London, it buys a 2 bedroom flat that may or may not have parking.
That's by UK standards.. Not US Standards. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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That's where most of you demotards live, in the toilet...
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The lawsuits have begun with more on the way.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100322/...lthcare_states
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People only think I'm a democrat based on opposition to most of what todays republicans stand for. If they weren't so ridiculously out of touch, you might think I'm a republican.
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Common sense my ass...

Common sense does NOT fucking dictate that the government has the authority to force any person to buy a specific product, you fucking tool...
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Common sense my ass...

Common sense does NOT fucking dictate that the government has the authority to force any person to buy a specific product, you fucking tool...
It does actually, and it has.
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Common sense my ass...

Common sense does NOT fucking dictate that the government has the authority to force any person to buy a specific product, you fucking tool...
Weekly is stupid by every definition of the word, don't mind him. He thinks our economic situation came about because of the Iraq War, and that the "people" voted in legislature. He's truly a moron.
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It does actually, and it has.
That's called the government overstepping its authority ... not that it hasn't in the past...

Constitutional law fail...
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That's called the government overstepping its authority ... not that it hasn't in the past...

Constitutional law fail...
If it was unconstitutional, don't you think those whippo redneck anti abortion republicans would have sunk it on constitutional grounds? Just thinking out loud.
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I'm sure there were people who said with their dying breath that medicare would ruin our country too. In the end, there's nothing we can do about it other than vote. So if this makes people get out and vote, then good for all of us.
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If it was unconstitutional, don't you think those whippo redneck anti abortion republicans would have sunk it on constitutional grounds? Just thinking out loud.
Uh, it's going to go to the Supreme Court, moron rofl.
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Actually it is you that is clueless. The HRC bill will be signed into law on Tuesday by Obama and will be the law of the land. The battle has been lost. Not sure why some people in this thread seem to be blissfully unaware of that....... perhaps because it is too horrible to comprehend.
Really?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/...th.care.ahead/

I wouldn't start opening the bubbly quite yet.

Add to that a shit load of states are already preparing to stop it as well.

This was Obama's "swan song" and its too bad for him that no one will ever hear it sing.

The one good thing is that it has motivated people to "do something" again, and people are pissed off.
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I agree. It took a shitty president and political party for people to start caring about their country again.
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Really?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/...th.care.ahead/

I wouldn't start opening the bubbly quite yet.

Add to that a shit load of states are already preparing to stop it as well.

This was Obama's "swan song" and its too bad for him that no one will ever hear it sing.

The one good thing is that it has motivated people to "do something" again, and people are pissed off.
How to fuck up a country. Paralyze government over technicalities. The majority have already spoken when they elected Obama. Some day you will tell your kids that you opposed this progressive legislation and they will think your nuts. It is inevitable. It brings America into the 21st century. Still a ways behind France and Canada, but catching up.
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I don't know why anyone argues politics on this board. Biggest waste of time in history. You all think you are so right. It's like a bunch of Rush and Michael Moore's on here. Idiot extremist from both parties that think their party can do no wrong and the other party is wrong all the time.

I can't stand republicans and democrats. both are morons. I just get left having to pay for both of their bullshit. Their bull shit wars, and their bullshit lets tax the successful rich people to death because the poor should have everything for free. fuck you both.


Hey GOP and DNC....
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I was trying to write a nice response fillwed with flowery examples of how our current health care system has fucked people, but sometimes pictures are more effective than words:



Wake up- this shit is fucked.

You're paying for it, one way or another, you're paying for it. You can either pay into an insurance plan or you can wait until something bad happens to you or someone you love and then pay through the nose or declare bankruptcy.
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How to fuck up a country. Paralyze government over technicalities. The majority have already spoken when they elected Obama. Some day you will tell your kids that you opposed this progressive legislation and they will think your nuts. It is inevitable. It brings America into the 21st century. Still a ways behind France and Canada, but catching up.
Actually, your retarded logic only works when the election happened. It doesn't work as of today, yesterday, or tomorrow, otherwise known as the present. The people have spoken now, and you lose. Btw, Obama has a PHD in how to fuck up a country. Please continue typing, moron.
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Actually, your retarded logic only works when the election happened. It doesn't work as of today, yesterday, or tomorrow, otherwise known as the present. The people have spoken [b]now, and you lose. Btw, Obama has a PHD in how to fuck up a country. Please continue typing, moron.
Why not go back to your own country???


Anyway, you lose and the American people win.

Pay your taxes and be a good American.
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Why not go back to your own country???


Anyway, you lose and the American people win.

Pay your taxes and be a good American.
Actually, the Republicans win and the American people lose. Now please Senator, we know you're a buffoon, just stick to posting videos.
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How to fuck up a country. Paralyze government over technicalities. The majority have already spoken when they elected Obama. Some day you will tell your kids that you opposed this progressive legislation and they will think your nuts. It is inevitable. It brings America into the 21st century. Still a ways behind France and Canada, but catching up.
You sir owe me 1 large gulp of sweet tea. It now resides on my hardwood floors where my dog is cleaning it up.. brb now have to clean the floor up completely. Its cool I was planning on putting a nice polish on the floors today anyways.

But seriously thanks for a great laugh...
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Why not go back to your own country???


Anyway, you lose and the American people win.

Pay your taxes and be a good American.
Actually do you have any idea of what that demon dude does or where he is from? He spends a lot of time spewing venom, but that doesn't make money.
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weekly I think you need to do some research on the principals in which this country were founded. It was setup to have MINIMAL federal government with the vast majority of power residing within the states' hands.

"The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that which has been delegated by the people to the federal government, and also that which is absolutely necessary to advancing those powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution of the United States. The rest is to be handled by the state governments, or locally, by the people themselves."

"The Tenth Amendment was adopted after the Constitutional ratification process to emphasize the fact that the states remained individual and unique sovereignties; that they were empowered in areas that the Constitution did not delegate to the federal government. With this in mind, any federal attempt to legislate beyond the Constitutional limits of Congress’ authority is a usurpation of state sovereignty – and unconstitutional."

Those two blurbs were taken from http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/...alking-points/

The 10th Amendment is very, very important and you should also understand the spirit in which is was crafted by James Madison.
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Actually do you have any idea of what that demon dude does or where he is from? He spends a lot of time spewing venom, but that doesn't make money.
No, I spend my time making morons like you look even dumber, while my network slowly trumps yours.
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weekly I think you need to do some research on the principals in which this country were founded. It was setup to have MINIMAL federal government with the vast majority of power residing within the states' hands.
If you have noticed by his posts, he has no grasp on logic, history, or common sense. You're wasting your time.
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:47 PM   #189
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If it was unconstitutional, don't you think those whippo redneck anti abortion republicans would have sunk it on constitutional grounds? Just thinking out loud.


They GOP could not stop it from happening. The states on the other handle can challenge it and will probably win. Do you even know the history of the United States? I saw you said that you lived in Russia before.

The federal government can not bypass the Tenth Amendment or any other amendments. This will be fought in courts for years to come.
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They GOP could not stop it from happening. The states on the other handle can challenge it and will probably win. Do you even know the history of the United States? I saw you said that you lived in Russia before.

The federal government can not bypass the Tenth Amendment or any other amendments. This will be fought in courts for years to come.
Or until the Dems lose the majority seats in November. As long as Pelosi gets fired though, I'm happy. She happens to be the dumbest politician I've ever heard of. Definitely makes Bush look like Einstein.
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If you have noticed by his posts, he has no grasp on logic, history, or common sense. You're wasting your time.
I think it's more of his logic is skewed. It's a common problem as of late where people place emotions and feelings above logic and reason. Emotionally I would say "HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!"... and I would find every way to rationalize it. Logically I say, "That is not a power specifically enumerated to the federal government. They don't have that power and never should. James Madison was dead on."

I honestly don't think anyone who is pro obamacare (I use that as I'm pro healthcare reform, REAL reform, not this BS) reform has a firm grasp on the constitution or bill of rights. They just don't understand that while it is a good idea (cheaper healthcare for all and everyone covered) it's just not within the power of the federal government and more over, it shouldn't be.
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They GOP could not stop it from happening. The states on the other handle can challenge it and will probably win. Do you even know the history of the United States? I saw you said that you lived in Russia before.

The federal government can not bypass the Tenth Amendment or any other amendments. This will be fought in courts for years to come.
Well...the federal government can and does...as the Supreme Court determines what laws that Congress enacts are constitutional or not. Over the years State rights have been slowly but surely infringed upon due to Congress and Supreme Court decisions. Thus the States may or may not win...what will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court.
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I think it's more of his logic is skewed. It's a common problem as of late where people place emotions and feelings above logic and reason. Emotionally I would say "HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!"... and I would find every way to rationalize it. Logically I say, "That is not a power specifically enumerated to the federal government. They don't have that power and never should. James Madison was dead on."
Well, liberals argue through emotion, not logic. This much is clear. But it's not just his logic lol. He thinks that we the people actually passed legislation, that the majority of people wanted the bill, and that the economy blew because of the Iraq War.

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I honestly don't think anyone who is pro healthcare reform has a firm grasp on the constitution or bill of rights. They just don't understand that while it is a good idea (cheaper healthcare for all and everyone covered) it's just not within the power of the federal government and more over, it shouldn't be.
Nobody who is pro ObamaCare actually understands how this affects us negatively.
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Well...the federal government can and does...as the Supreme Court determines what laws that Congress enacts are constitutional or not. Over the years State rights have been slowly but surely infringed upon due to Congress and Supreme Court decisions. Thus the States may or may not win...what will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court.

I agree with you on this. I just hope the states win.
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Well...the federal government can and does...as the Supreme Court determines what laws that Congress enacts are constitutional or not. Over the years State rights have been slowly but surely infringed upon due to Congress and Supreme Court decisions. Thus the States may or may not win...what will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court.
its more like anthony kennedy will decide. The liberal & conservative blocs are so predictable now, every divided decision rests in his judgement.
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They GOP could not stop it from happening. The states on the other handle can challenge it and will probably win. Do you even know the history of the United States? I saw you said that you lived in Russia before.

The federal government can not bypass the Tenth Amendment or any other amendments. This will be fought in courts for years to come.
This was never meant to be effective right away. It doesn't do much until 2014 anyway. What it DOES do is give the Obama administration the ability to say they've passed historical legislation, which they have.

I believe the intent here all along was to pass it to be able to say they passed it and then worry about the fixes later. After the elections. Problem is I don't see Congress caring too much about going back and fixing this.
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