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$5 submissions · 03-28-2010, 03:28 AM

Good point. Content is king. That said, it should be qualified as "the right type of content for the right type of audience is king". Playboy, for example, has really impeccable production values but its drawback has always been the fact that certain market segments find it "too slick". That's why Hustler filled a niche.

Same with online adult. Not every surfer is looking for gonzo nor is every surfer looking for reality type content. While production value is good, production value in the service of a well positioned and well executed targeted marketing strategy is probably what will make the difference.

IMHO

Paul Markham · 03-28-2010, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

What abut the other girl I posted? First time model, not glam and has natural boobs

IMO She's nice but nothing exceptional.

There are many reasons for the quality of models falling. But the main reason is most girls now know or believe that if they do porn or erotica they will end up on all the free sites and their family and friends will find out. This has led IMO to less and less girls new girls coming in and staying in the business. The problem is you can only shoot what turns up for castings.

The simple rule is the more attractive the girl and the better the quality of catching her action the better the sales. If you get average girls their performance and capture of it has to be above average to sell the same.

andrej_NDC · 03-28-2010, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

glam crap sells worse than next door shit, that's why.

I wasn't talking about glam outselling next door...but hot girls outselling ugly girls. Next door girls can and have to be hot, too, to sell well.

For example Ellie at dirtyjason.com used to sell great, couldn't even compare her to the other scenes. She is very cute and has a top body, even though she looks amateurish. I even got tons of emails from surfers asking who she is and where can they find more of her.

Ladyboy King · 03-28-2010, 03:36 AM

There is a nut for every bolt. If you understand that, you would not make comments about ugly girls, because you would know that there are guys who like those ugly girls. If you don't know why that is, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

Paul Markham · 03-28-2010, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Good point. Content is king. That said, it should be qualified as "the right type of content for the right type of audience is king". Playboy, for example, has really impeccable production values but its drawback has always been the fact that certain market segments find it "too slick". That's why Hustler filled a niche.

Put a Playboy level model in a Hustler strength scene and you have a winner. Then you need less marketing to get the same sales. The problem today is finding those girls.

I'm always amazed at the number of people on GFY who praise average looking girls as being "Hot" because she's showing her pussy, when she's just average.

Majestic · 03-28-2010, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy2

re: the swimsuit model above, thats not everyones fantasy. she will intimidate some and seem distant and unreachable. the 'ugly girl' sites you mock will clean up those joins nicely. i'm not saying there is anything wrong with making a high quality polished product, its just not what everyone is looking for. glam is not personally my thing... the girls gotta be doing something other than touching herself or looking girly

This, thus is why there is a niche for everyone. Some people like the typical plastic blonde or 1 legged girls while others like normal looking girls and some will sign up for fat ugly bitches. So you pick your niche and be the best at it.

Sabby · 03-28-2010, 03:44 AM

I really like this shot. I think its the captivating eyes that will draw them in. Beautiful.

Sabby

Sabby · 03-28-2010, 03:47 AM

This is one of my favorite shots I use for my promos "the look"

I'd love to be shot by a decent photographer. lol.

Sabby

Paul Markham · 03-28-2010, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Majestic

This, thus is why there is a niche for everyone. Some people like the typical plastic blonde or 1 legged girls while others like normal looking girls and some will sign up for fat ugly bitches. So you pick your niche and be the best at it.

The problem is tons of people are selling normal looking girls.

Konkan · 03-28-2010, 05:15 AM

there is a market for everything. Still people want to see hot looking "natural" models

Sabby · 03-28-2010, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Konkan

there is a market for everything. Still people want to see hot looking "natural" models

I didnt brush my teeth this morning... kisssy kissssssss. lol

Sabby

raven1083 · 03-28-2010, 09:36 AM

you got a point and I respect it

Mr. E · 03-28-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabby

I really like this shot. I think its the captivating eyes that will draw them in. Beautiful.

Sabby

Thanks! Yes, I am sure its the EYES that will draw guys in to this shot

Oh, and hit me up if you want to shoot, I am in SoCal

HandballJim · 03-28-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

Because those solo sites were a joke and made no money. I am not going to bust my ass over some site making me $100 a week. Besides, those were 3 years ago when I was lacking the skills I have now. My upcoming multi model site will look much different. Hopefully this is in good enough focus for you

she is fucking hot

Mr. E · 03-28-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HandballJim

she is fucking hot

Google Justene Jaro for the REALLY good pics

Mutt · 03-28-2010, 09:03 PM

there are a ton of incredible cute natural girls coming into the porn biz all the time - just check out FuckedHard18.com http://www.fuckedhard18.com - girls as cute as softcore solo site models and they fuck and suck their hearts out.

the quality of models and paysites has never been better - go back 10 years and see the shit that was available, there were a handful of quality paysites back then, now there are a ton of them covering god knows how many niches and micro-niches.

sales aren't down because the quality of model and content. some of the highest quality paysites and i won't mention them by name are seeing some of the worst sales drops.

the models being over exposed - that is an issue, and there isn't really a solution to that. some sites try to recruit their own models and they do get some but finding enough to update a site once a week - impossible. never seen a paysite that could exist on its own models without having to go the adult talent agency route. um..... well..... Abby Winters does it but look at the girls he shoots, talk about some ugly girls but he has a huge following of men who love the reality of his models and content. And Playboy does it but that's Playboy - there's only one Playboy. Not like there are girls in Nebraska dreaming of being a Twistys or FTVGirls model, as nice as those sites are.

will76 · 03-28-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

I see alot of complaining about shitty sales lately. Then when I click on links in sigs and look at content, its easy to see why. The girls are butt fucking ugly! To be clear, I am a photographer/videographer and not a webmaster, but I am also a surfer and will pay for sites alot of times. I dont know if some people think surfers will pay to see just any random chick naked and/or doing porn but Jesus, most of the girls I see posted here and on these sites are just nasty as shit. I wouldnt pay $1 to see more of them but I am sure they were really cheap and you got tons of content for $75 out of the crack whores right? If you get shitty sales and want better ones, look at the quality of your girls, and find better ones

There is a lot more reasons why some people here dont make any money other than just bad content, it goes a lot deeper than that.

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

Not at all. There are some very talented shooters on here and around the business, but they dont complain about shitty sales. My post was meant for some who have ugly ass girls on their sites and are actually expecting people to pay for it. Just saying, they may want to look at the quality of what they are offering. Sales are much harder to come by these days and what people paid for a year ago, they arent now.

shitty sales has very little to do with content. content is just a small part of the equation. And depending on the market you are advertising to, amateur type, self shot content will do better than the hi res airbrushed wall poster content you are selling. Every niche is different, there really is no junk. Even that crappy ass stuff that the dingo from aussie use to post on here had a niche.

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Originally Posted by Mr. E

Exactly. You can see average girls anywhere, what dumbass PAYS to see it? You can go down to your mall or local store and see random looking average girls. Hell, you can pay one $20 and she will show you her boobs probably. Most every guy I know want to see the fantasy girl they will never get naked and/or teasing them in photos and videos and they pay for that. My friends are never jealous when I shoot some random Myspace girl, but if I have a Pet/Playmate or some porn star coming over, you bet your ass they get jealous and want to come over.

probably best for you to stick to photography and not making money from advertising. What all surfers on the internet want does not = your perspective.

will76 · 03-28-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Good point. Content is king. That said, it should be qualified as "the right type of content for the right type of audience is king". Playboy, for example, has really impeccable production values but its drawback has always been the fact that certain market segments find it "too slick". That's why Hustler filled a niche.

Same with online adult. Not every surfer is looking for gonzo nor is every surfer looking for reality type content. While production value is good, production value in the service of a well positioned and well executed targeted marketing strategy is probably what will make the difference.

IMHO

For adult mags i'll give you that content is king.

for everything else online traffic is king

you can have the "best content" whatever that may be depending on who you advertising to, and it doesn't mean shit if you don't have any traffic. I've made lots of money off of what most people would think is shitty content. hell even back in the day I would photo shop content to make it worst (blurry / grainy) to make it look more amatuerish. Traffic and sales pitch is the most important part. Sure some content will do better than others, but it comes down to traffic, and the right pitch.

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	there are a ton of incredible cute natural girls coming into the porn biz all the time - just check out FuckedHard18.com http://www.fuckedhard18.com - girls as cute as softcore solo site models and they fuck and suck their hearts out. the quality of models and paysites has never been better - go back 10 years and see the shit that was available, there were a handful of quality paysites back then, now there are a ton of them covering god knows how many niches and micro-niches. sales aren't down because the quality of model and content. some of the highest quality paysites and i won't mention them by name are seeing some of the worst sales drops. the models being over exposed - that is an issue, and there isn't really a solution to that. some sites try to recruit their own models and they do get some but finding enough to update a site once a week - impossible. never seen a paysite that could exist on its own models without having to go the adult talent agency route. um..... well..... Abby Winters does it but look at the girls he shoots, talk about some ugly girls but he has a huge following of men who love the reality of his models and content. And Playboy does it but that's Playboy - there's only one Playboy. Not like there are girls in Nebraska dreaming of being a Twistys or FTVGirls model, as nice as those sites are. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!