Originally Posted by The Demon

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/02...ck-blame-bush/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-...sh-under-obama

http://moremoney.blogs.money.cnn.com...han-you-think/

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/...t-in-pictures/

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/oba..._bush_deficit/

And yes, I expect you'll scream at the sources and/or focus on the dates, forgetting the fact that it's actually worse now than a year ago. I win

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yeah sources are trash... here use this:

http://www.miseryindex.us/URbymonth.asp Oh snap, unemployment has steadied out and is improving.

As for the deficit and debt, as stated... when you correct the dirty books that Bush was running, not putting the war costs on the books, of course the numbers that were already extremly bad and the worst in history, get corrected and actually show how bad the damage is. Today, we're paying for that... suck it up and credit the damage to the proper person.

I hope you're not putting all your 'things are worse' on Obama over unemployment... that would be rather laughable.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Dang, based on that graphs unemployment numbers, Obama is putting the economic smack down on the mighty Reagan.

Originally Posted by The Demon

The only thing that's laughable as you predictably ignoring 10+ sources, and claiming your only source is the correct one. Please continue amusing us with your denial.

http://www.tradersnarrative.com/wp-c...Jan%202010.png

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/w...yment-2010.png

Oh snap!! What's even funnier is you're using the census jobs that were created as an argument for "unemployment is going down!!" Lol, I'm enjoying this.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Those are some great opinion blogs...

http://www.bls.gov/ 9.7% in May 2010

Originally Posted by TheDoc

See that big increase in jobs lost on the left, vs. the decrease under Obama's side? That's an improvement...

Originally Posted by The Demon

Are you looking at the same graph we're looking, or are you in the advanced stages of denial? Based on your own single source(lol), Reagan made Obama his bitch.

Also:

http://startthinkingright.wordpress....l-for-america/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-a..._b_341348.html

http://portalseven.com/employment/un...80&toYear=2009

Owned.

"YOUR SOURCES ARE GARBAGE!!!"-TheDoc

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Reagan's peak unemployment rate: 10.8%
Obama's peak unemployment rate: 10.1%

If half the time Obama stopped the increase, and so far hasn't had enough time to compare an improvement.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LMAO, I love when you guys bring up this chart,You're excited about we have stop loosing so many jobs, but does that matter to the 10% of the population that's getting unemployment, or that when Obama revels in the fact that the stimulus created 10k new jobs, never mind that there were 400k new unemployment claims for the same time period? Or that Obama revels in new jobs created in the government, who are paid with the taxes of those that are still employed, I have to wonder what kind of fuzzy math you guys are snorting?

Obama = FAIL on Jobs
Obama = FAIL on everything, he pushed the health care bill that we can't afford and don't want, he doesn't care, he has his agenda
Obama = FAIL on the oil spill, you guys that support Obama were all over GW's shit over Katrina, but that hardly compares to the major fuck up to the world under the Obama Administration
You guys voted in Obama because of the wars GW started, here we are 18 months later
He's going down as the biggest loser as a president
His approval rating has dropped faster than any president, even faster that GW, it's took years for GW's ratings to drop, for Obama it was months

Originally Posted by The Demon

Reagan's unemployment went down like crazy to around 6%. Obama's is over 10% and growing, while the BLS has desperately tried to change the way unemployment is measured the past 2 years, and extending unemployment benefits to manipulate the charts.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

While Reagan was President the numbers went from steady, to much worse. Basically 3 years of getting worse. It took him a 1 1/2 years to get it back to were it was was, and another 2 years to get it down to 6%.

How about you give Obama that amount of time Reagan required or does he only get 1/8 the the time, for some reason?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Their only problem is Obama.

Case closed, lmao.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Their only problem is Obama.

Case closed, lmao.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what do you mean?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Their only problem is Obama.

Case closed, lmao.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

It is pathetic isn't it?

Obama is trying to help the middle class now that the GOP has placed the US in its worst position of our lifetime, and the Obama haters are so blinded by their own hatred, that rather than work together for a common good, they would rather just bash Obama, so that what? So that the same people that got us here can get back in power?

Sad...

Originally Posted by The Demon

Definitely sad. The whole "blame the Republicans" rhetoric is hilarious, seeing as how Obama and the Democrats have destroyed this country in 2 years, far more than Bush could have in 8. Gotta love stupid people though, thanks for the amusement BFT3K.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

It is hard to imagine a person more ignorant than yourself.

Originally Posted by The Demon

It's definitely NOT had to imagine you being as dumb as they come, even by porn webmaster standards

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Anybody who told you to be yourself simply couldn't have given you worse advice...

Originally Posted by The Demon

Shouldn't you be embarrassed that you're a grown man who possesses a legally retarded IQ?

Originally Posted by BFT3K

It is pathetic isn't it?

Obama is trying to help the middle class now that the GOP has placed the US in its worst position of our lifetime, and the Obama haters are so blinded by their own hatred, that rather than work together for a common good, they would rather just bash Obama, so that what? So that the same people that got us here can get back in power?

Sad...

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's really not an accurate portrayal, at least from where i stand.

Originally Posted by charlie g

Help me, because admittedly I am not too bright? What is an unfunded war? Is there a funded war we have had? I am really confused when it is said Bush and his "unfunded wars". Didn't congress approve funds for Iraq and Afghanistan? Declaration of war and passing spending bills for war funding aren't the same thing?? Really, I am stupid... help me understand why this is different than Viet Nam or Korea... or were those unfunded wars too?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's really not an accurate portrayal, at least from where i stand.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Please enlighten us as to how YOU would be fixing the world's problems, or even just the US problems. I am very curious....

Originally Posted by charlie g

I know this question was directed at dynamo, but I have to ask.... Obama wasnt elected to fix the world's problems. He was elected to get us out of the war and fix the economy. Maybe I misunderstood his platform.... but I thought that was the change promised. I dont see much change... do you?

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Please enlighten us as to how YOU would be fixing the world's problems, or even just the US problems. I am very curious....

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The Demon posted the URL, I simply posted the chart... so you might want to correct who brings the chart up.

Obama hasn't had enough time to improve on jobs based on how long it has taken every other president in history.

I love the healthcare bill and know tons of people that do as well.

Of course people dieing and being forgot about and starving and blacks being rounded up after Katrina is far less of a problem than whatever Obama hasn't done with the Oil spill that you think he should have done.

I didn't vote for Obama...

You might want to check the approval rating statistics again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...pproval_rating

Originally Posted by BFT3K

It is much easier to complain, than it is to fix the problems.

Tax breaks for the rich did not help anyone but the rich.

Tax breaks for corporations that fuck the middle class did not help.

Starting two unfunded wars in the middle east was not wise.

Continuing our reliance on fossil fuels, especially oil, does not help.

Allowing politicians to be funded by special interests does not help.

ETC...

Instead of complaining about Obama non-stop, how about offering solutions?

PS - If your solutions are already listed above, please try again.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

While Reagan was President the numbers went from steady, to much worse. Basically 3 years of getting worse. It took him a 1 1/2 years to get it back to were it was was, and another 2 years to get it down to 6%.

How about you give Obama that amount of time Reagan required or does he only get 1/8 the the time, for some reason?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I have offered solutions, get rid of NAFTA, make it a level playing field for American companies to compete with foreign labor. less government means less taxes. More people working in better paying jobs means more people have healthcare. Use a pipe that goes inside the oil leak and inflates seals with hydraulic pressure to seal the fit with no leaks. Pull out of the two wars completely, drill for domestic oil, control it to supply the US first, then sell to other countries to bring down the price of oil world wide, taking away the money from the middle east and bankrupt them like Reagan brought down the USSR with star wars. Then when the economy can handle it, work on green energy, fire up the nuclear reactors and run them like the military runs reactors on a nuclear sub, no worries.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

We need heathcare reform, but you have to admit when Pelosi said we'll know whats in the healthcare bill after it's voted on, well that was kinda scary, now they are after reading everything, that it will not work like Obama said it will, employers have to cut back to afford the changes, it was not voted in bipartisan, it should have been, a good president would have got the two sides to work together on that.



We've had this discussion, Obama even said that less people are paying ANY taxes, it's because poor people and most middle income people pay ZERO taxes, so any tax cuts that only benefit the rich, it's just a way for the democratic machine to spin it.

I have offered solutions, get rid of NAFTA, make it a level playing field for American companies to compete with foreign labor. less government means less taxes. More people working in better paying jobs means more people have healthcare. Use a pipe that goes inside the oil leak and inflates seals with hydraulic pressure to seal the fit with no leaks. Pull out of the two wars completely, drill for domestic oil, control it to supply the US first, then sell to other countries to bring down the price of oil world wide, taking away the money from the middle east and bankrupt them like Reagan brought down the USSR with star wars. Then when the economy can handle it, work on green energy, fire up the nuclear reactors and run them like the military runs reactors on a nuclear sub, no worries.




If I saw one thing that would indicate that things might get better, I would agree with you, but doing the math, it doesn't add up. And remember it got worse under a democrat controlled house and senate, so I'm not looking to the democrats to make things better

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Originally Posted by charlie g

Wow, so much good stuff in your post.

NAFTA was a republican fuck you from the get-go. Whoever didn't see this as a shift of the manufacturing base(and an attack on the middle class) was an imbecile.

Healthcare will never be reformed as long as lobbyists are free to throw money around like a drunken shriner at a whorehouse... without tort reform there will always be problems with health care costs and delivery.

The class warfare that the US taxcode inflicts on US society is nothing short of evil. The very wealthy pay little tax while those that work and make the economy click are ridden like beggars on a borrowed horse.

I would actually feel good about Obama if he pulled a JFK on our dependency on oil. JFK made it a national initiative to land a man on the moon. If Obama would set aside 1 trillion dollars to the first company that produced an internal combustion engine(or something equivalent) on a renewable energy source, our dependency on oil would all but cease. But that will never happen as the oil companies spend too much money in Washington.

I could go on and on about what should happen... but until money and politics aren't synonymous, I am just pissing in the wind. Obama sucks more than Bush. At least Obama is intelligent enough to know he's fucking America... Bush I am not so sure he had a clue.

Originally Posted by Serial Pervert

nice pic!

Originally Posted by BFT3K

And I will respond in the same way I responded last time you were daydreaming on this board...

I would like a magic lamp, complete with a sexy genie who grants wishes.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yet you offer no criticism or debate?

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How do you support healthcare reform and alternate energy, and then bash Obama? WTF?! I was agreeing with most of your post until you drew that bizarre conclusion.

Originally Posted by charlie g

Help me, because admittedly I am not too bright? What is an unfunded war? Is there a funded war we have had? I am really confused when it is said Bush and his "unfunded wars". Didn't congress approve funds for Iraq and Afghanistan? Declaration of war and passing spending bills for war funding aren't the same thing?? Really, I am stupid... help me understand why this is different than Viet Nam or Korea... or were those unfunded wars too?

Originally Posted by BFT3K

A spell checker would not have picked it up, as "your" is also a properly spelled word.

Here's a funny Japanese Jet Pack...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=LHf-ocT9n3E

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Perhaps he meant 'unfounded'. Because both of them are certainly unfounded.

Originally Posted by The Demon

Haven't you noticed that BFT3K is a moron? He can't debate logically, nor use facts. His only response will be some kind of retarded insult that draws attention away from the debate. He's incredibly easy to ridicule.

Originally Posted by charlie g

Quite possibly. I thought gw was criticized for fighting in Iraq when he should have been in Afghanistan? Honest question, not trying to stir the pot. I have long ago stopped paying attention to what is happening there. I really do not know what the answer is to that situation. I am jut sad that people continue to be killed and maimed there.

Originally Posted by Gouge

Microsoft Word has an option to run Grammar checks along with the spelling so yes it would have picked it up and gave me options...you sir loose again.

Originally Posted by The Demon

He can't debate logically, nor use facts. His only response will be some kind of retarded insult that draws attention away from the debate. .