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Old 06-22-2010, 11:29 AM   #151
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thought this was interesting for the obama nay-sayers:

http://www.nowpublic.com/environment...n-2632334.html

"Judge Martin Feldman Overturns Deep Water Drilling Ban"
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:39 AM   #152
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thought this was interesting for the obama nay-sayers:

http://www.nowpublic.com/environment...n-2632334.html

"Judge Martin Feldman Overturns Deep Water Drilling Ban"
thank god, common sense prevails.

not sure what you mean by obama nay-sayers? obama did what that judge deemed illegal and not in the public interest.

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Old 06-22-2010, 11:43 AM   #153
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thank god, common sense prevails.

not sure what you mean by obama nay-sayers? obama did what that judge deemed illegal and not in the public interest.

White House is instantly appealing it. The fight is on. My money is on the Feds.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the government will immediately appeal the ruling to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. LINK
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The Federal Reserve and The Banks are the cause of all of this mess. I'm not an Obama lover but to think he controls any of this is not very informed. The Congress does not control the fed.

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws. - Rothchild
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Microsoft Word has an option to run Grammar checks along with the spelling so yes it would have picked it up and gave me options...you sir loose again.
The word you wanted to use is "lose" NOT "loose".
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White House is instantly appealing it. The fight is on. My money is on the Feds.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the government will immediately appeal the ruling to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. LINK
what a fucking cluster fuck. i don't get it. the moratorium is ridiculous.
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how can obama and the white house claim this bullshit while the atlantis rig is still drilling?
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The word you wanted to use is "lose" NOT "loose".
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:56 AM   #159
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The word you wanted to use is "lose" NOT "loose".
Beat you to the punch as i already corrected myself.
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thank god, common sense prevails.

not sure what you mean by obama nay-sayers? obama did what that judge deemed illegal and not in the public interest.

i viewed it as more a challenge on Obama's administration etc..
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what a fucking cluster fuck. i don't get it. the moratorium is ridiculous.
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how can obama and the white house claim this bullshit while the atlantis rig is still drilling?
Well, everyone is screaming for Obama to do something... the moratorium is doing something, right? I fully agree with it. If this disaster isn't enough of a slap in the face with a dead oily fish, then I don't know what it will take. Full armageddon maybe.

Get us off oil, now. 6 months is not enough in my opinion. It should be banned until the oil companies can prove this won't happen again. The blowout "preventers" fail 45% of the time, by their own numbers. This is unacceptable.
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Well, everyone is screaming for Obama to do something... the moratorium is doing something, right? I fully agree with it. If this disaster isn't enough of a slap in the face with a dead oily fish, then I don't know what it will take. Full armageddon maybe.

Get us off oil, now. 6 months is not enough in my opinion. It should be banned until the oil companies can prove this won't happen again. The blowout "preventers" fail 45% of the time, by their own numbers. This is unacceptable.
No kidding!

If Obama does nothing he is criticized, and if he does something he is criticized.

It is really quite astounding!
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Depends on who you talk to and what you believe. I believe we are in both locations for no other reason than to secure that region until the last drop of oil is pumped out. After that, we will pull out faster than a 16 year old kid scared of parenting. My problem with that lies not in what we are doing, but the way we went about doing it. We can't be upfront and public about invading other countries for oil, so we create "situations" to rally patriotic support of the public to invade under a lie.

Anyone with the ability to reason can easily figure out we are not sacrificing our soldiers and spending billions upon billions to look around the Afghani countryside for one man. That is utterly ridiculous and insulting to anyone over the age of 2. And it's not because we give a shit about the Afghani people and their "plight" with the Taliban. Look how fast we ditch countries that have nothing to offer us: Somalia.

Iraq is no different. We aren't in either location to "win the war". We are there to secure property. Nothing more, nothing less.
I really can't argue with any of your assertions. But Obama seems to be getting a pass when it comes to continuing the wars.
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I really can't argue with any of your assertions. But Obama seems to be getting a pass when it comes to continuing the wars.
Isn't Obama's position to withdraw troops from Afghanistan by July next year? I know I've heard that at least twice today since all this crap with General McCrystal came up.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...on-growth.html

This should seem like common sense but not to our president.
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i viewed it as more a challenge on Obama's administration etc..

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Isn't Obama's position to withdraw troops from Afghanistan by July next year? I know I've heard that at least twice today since all this crap with General McCrystal came up.
that how i understand it. july 2011, if i recall. i wonder how it will all play out now that $3 trillion in minerals are on the table. the conspiracy theorist claim that info was a timely release to validate continuing on there.

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This should seem like common sense but not to our president.
i like where her head is at on spending. but she certainly mishandled bailing out greece. waffling/posturing for months causing the bailout to be much more money than if not, as i understand it.
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This should seem like common sense but not to our president.
Community organizers who have never run anything in there entire life cant understand such simple things.
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Correct, why would they bail out people that couldn't even afford the reduced rate, let alone what they have now and/or why would they bailout people that can clearly afford it but are being stupid with money?

They wanted to give it to people that could actually use it and benefit from it.




Couldn't agree with you more.. It's that twisted logic that often does bewilder the liberals.
Ohh so because they are being stupid with their money thats somehow everyone elses fault. Liberals baffle me.
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Ohh so because they are being stupid with their money thats somehow everyone elses fault. Liberals baffle me.
They baffle everybody, that's why they're usually the butt of every political joke.

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http://dailyreckoning.com/economic-s...de-leveraging/
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Ohh so because they are being stupid with their money thats somehow everyone elses fault. Liberals baffle me.
Umm... try reading again. They only give out the loans to those people that are responsible enough but have had hard times. You know, people lost jobs, banks fucked people over, but they still have an income coming in and just need some help lowering payments. They still pay for the house either way, nobody is getting off of anything.

I do love how the republican, right wing, tea baggers would rather kick someone out of a house that nobody is going to buy rather than adjust the monthly payments so they can keep the house and pay the house off.

You people, baffle the entire damn world...
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But he knew that going in. He wanted the job and said he could make it all better but every thing he touches turns into an even bigger mess.
it doesn't sound like you paid attention to anything he said during his campaign.
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They baffle everybody, that's why they're usually the butt of every political joke.

Also:

http://dailyreckoning.com/economic-s...de-leveraging/
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"Hey, what happened to that $12 trillion worth of stimulus spending, guarantees and bailouts? We said it wouldn?t work from the get-go. They said ?yes, it will.? We said ?no, it won?t.? Can we have our money back?"

What $12 trillion dollar stimulus spending would that be? How can they give back something they didn't take?
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Umm... try reading again. They only give out the loans to those people that are responsible enough but have had hard times. You know, people lost jobs, banks fucked people over, but they still have an income coming in and just need some help lowering payments. They still pay for the house either way, nobody is getting off of anything.

I do love how the republican, right wing, tea baggers would rather kick someone out of a house that nobody is going to buy rather than adjust the monthly payments so they can keep the house and pay the house off.

You people, baffle the entire damn world...
Well if people had the foresight to see a bad thing coming and prepare by saving for a rainy day rather than buying a big house, a boat, a atv, and a bike, we wouldnt have this problem. Now the responsible folks who did save, get to pay for it.

Again, rewarding stupidity and mediocrity. Perhpas if they do throw them out of the house and force them into something a little more realistic, say and apartment or a smaller home, they would actually learn a lesson rather than get "bailed out."
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Well if people had the foresight to see a bad thing coming and prepare by saving for a rainy day rather than buying a big house, a boat, a atv, and a bike, we wouldnt have this problem. Now the responsible folks who did save, get to pay for it.

Again, rewarding stupidity and mediocrity. Perhpas if they do throw them out of the house and force them into something a little more realistic, say and apartment or a smaller home, they would actually learn a lesson rather than get "bailed out."
Oh, so you don't actually know how it works... these people didn't get a bailout. They have to pay the house off, just like everyone else. What they got was an adjustment in the mortgage, which increases back to normal rates after several years.

Btw, people did have savings and not every blew money - which is why a rush of people didn't do it, they "tried" to make it for several months ie: people had savings. Lots of people lost jobs, even after they have been in the house for 10 years and never having one problem, they couldn't make it. 99% of the normal working people, aren't rich and can't simply pay for everything at the drop of a dime, even with savings.

The only people that got a bailout, are people that got fucked over by banks, lending companies, sold off contracts that failed, etc... you know the big scam that took place.
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The only people that got a bailout, are people that got fucked over by banks, lending companies, sold off contracts that failed, etc... you know the big scam that took place.
Are you delusional?
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Oh, so you don't actually know how it works... these people didn't get a bailout. They have to pay the house off, just like everyone else. What they got was an adjustment in the mortgage, which increases back to normal rates after several years.

Btw, people did have savings and not every blew money - which is why a rush of people didn't do it, they "tried" to make it for several months ie: people had savings. Lots of people lost jobs, even after they have been in the house for 10 years and never having one problem, they couldn't make it. 99% of the normal working people, aren't rich and can't simply pay for everything at the drop of a dime, even with savings.

The only people that got a bailout, are people that got fucked over by banks, lending companies, sold off contracts that failed, etc... you know the big scam that took place.
I do understand how it works, I know that the Gov't does pay off the house. The Gov't drops the interest rate on the mortgage creating a lower payment.

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK COVERS THE DIFFERENCE
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The only people that got a bailout, are people that got fucked over by banks, lending companies, sold off contracts that failed, etc... you know the big scam that took place.

Ohh you mean the scam they signed the dotted line for. I don't know about you, but when I'm about to make the biggest financial decision of my life, I take 30 minutes to read up on whats up. A retard could figure out those arm loans were bunk had they read for 5 minutes about them.

Get some personal responsibily, the root cause is nothing but.
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I do understand how it works, I know that the Gov't does pay off the house. The Gov't drops the interest rate on the mortgage creating a lower payment.

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK COVERS THE DIFFERENCE
That's "if" you qualify for the interest rate drop through the Gov program, which very few people did. Straight up, most people didn't qualify...

Most people did qualify at the bank and mortgage level, adjusted by them. They would adjust your payments so you paid less for like 5 years while people got back on their feet, however they still paid the original amount that was contracted.
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The only people that got a bailout, are people that got fucked over by banks, lending companies, sold off contracts that failed, etc... you know the big scam that took place.

Ohh you mean the scam they signed the dotted line for. I don't know about you, but when I'm about to make the biggest financial decision of my life, I take 30 minutes to read up on whats up. A retard could figure out those arm loans were bunk had they read for 5 minutes about them.

Get some personal responsibily, the root cause is nothing but.
That's great for us, we can read and understand what we read. However shifty contracts, bad wording, people being lied to, and so on. Not everyone understands this stuff at the same level, and people often do trust others by nature and for sure those that you have done business with before.

Not sure what 30 mins your contracts took to read, it took us a few hours and many questions and damn near a couple hours to go over them and sign them. Hell, I was lost on my first house... got it a lot better on the second one though. No doubt some people aren't going to understand a damn thing they're reading and trust what is being told to them is true... which is required by law, enforced by the Fed Gov.
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Well, everyone is screaming for Obama to do something... the moratorium is doing something, right? I fully agree with it. If this disaster isn't enough of a slap in the face with a dead oily fish, then I don't know what it will take. Full armageddon maybe.

Get us off oil, now. 6 months is not enough in my opinion. It should be banned until the oil companies can prove this won't happen again. The blowout "preventers" fail 45% of the time, by their own numbers. This is unacceptable.
Too bad the Obamanation used findings from scientist to confirm they needed a ban, but failed to go by what those scientist actually said.
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Are you delusional?
It was part of the deal to qualify for it...They did loosen up money for the banks to make more loans, that's fed money either way - but related to the bailout for peoples homes/adjustments of loans with federal money, you had to basically be fucked over in some way or match the absolute perfect situation that very few people qualified for - and people bitched about.

Didn't the article you post say how it failed and nobody took it?
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WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK COVERS THE DIFFERENCE
i don't know, who covers the difference?
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So why are we funding very deep water drilling in Brazil?
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So why are we funding very deep water drilling in Brazil?
George Soros knows, oh yeah and the Soetoro Administration.
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