An American Terrorist In Pakistan

[Amputate Your Head]

Pakistan jails 5 Americans over terror plots - Jun 2010

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Detained American Muslims, center, are escorted by Pakistan police officers as they leave after appear in an anti terrorist court in Sargodha, Pakistan on Jan. 4.

SARGODHA, Pakistan - A Pakistan court convicted five American men on terror charges Thursday and sentenced each to 10 years in prison. The five young Muslim students from the Washington, D.C. area, were detained in December in Pakistan's central city of Sargodha, 120 miles southeast of Islamabad, after their families reported them missing.

Prosecutors said they presented evidence such as e-mail records and witness statements proving that the men were plotting terror attacks in Pakistan and conspired to wage war against nations allied with it, a reference to Afghanistan, where the men were alleged to have been traveling. The men have been identified as Ramy Zamzam of Egyptian descent, Waqar Khan and Umar Farooq of Pakistani descent, and Aman Hassan Yemer and Ahmed Minni of Ethiopian descent. One allegedly left behind a farewell video in the United States showing scenes of war and casualties and saying Muslims must be defended.

The five men told the court earlier that they only wanted to provide fellow Muslim brothers in Afghanistan with medicine and financial help, and accused the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation and Pakistani police of torturing them and trying to frame them.

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How are we ever going to "win" in Afghanistan, if we can't even prevent our own people from joining the opposition? Maybe we should focus on "winning the hearts and minds" of the people in America first.

[sperbonzo]

So basically the Pakistan government stopped a humanitarian mission to Afghanistan?? THOSE BASTARDS!!!!






(jk)

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So basically the Pakistan government stopped a humanitarian mission to Afghanistan?? THOSE BASTARDS!!!!






(jk)

Isn't that what terrorists always claim? "We're humanitarian! Please, trust us!"

[Amputate Your Head]

So this raises the question now...

Since our reasoning for attacking Afghanistan was because they were supposedly "where the terrorists came from", are we not now obligated to attack Washington D.C. where these terrorists came from?

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Pakistan jails 5 Americans over terror plots - Jun 2010

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Detained American Muslims, center, are escorted by Pakistan police officers as they leave after appear in an anti terrorist court in Sargodha, Pakistan on Jan. 4.

SARGODHA, Pakistan - A Pakistan court convicted five American men on terror charges Thursday and sentenced each to 10 years in prison. The five young Muslim students from the Washington, D.C. area, were detained in December in Pakistan's central city of Sargodha, 120 miles southeast of Islamabad, after their families reported them missing.

Prosecutors said they presented evidence such as e-mail records and witness statements proving that the men were plotting terror attacks in Pakistan and conspired to wage war against nations allied with it, a reference to Afghanistan, where the men were alleged to have been traveling. The men have been identified as Ramy Zamzam of Egyptian descent, Waqar Khan and Umar Farooq of Pakistani descent, and Aman Hassan Yemer and Ahmed Minni of Ethiopian descent. One allegedly left behind a farewell video in the United States showing scenes of war and casualties and saying Muslims must be defended.

The five men told the court earlier that they only wanted to provide fellow Muslim brothers in Afghanistan with medicine and financial help, and accused the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation and Pakistani police of torturing them and trying to frame them.

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How are we ever going to "win" in Afghanistan, if we can't even prevent our own people from joining the opposition? Maybe we should focus on "winning the hearts and minds" of the people in America first.

Five lunatics aren't the "hearts and minds" of America.

[DEA - banned for life]

Shit for a second there i thought some REAL AMERICANs went to the pakistan to start blowing up there shit and sending white powder letters in there mail in the name of jew/christianity

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Five lunatics aren't the "hearts and minds" of America.

No, but what what about the millions of Americans that feel we need to get the Hell out of Afghanistan? Are they the hearts & minds of America?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by DEA

Shit for a second there i thought some REAL AMERICANs went to the pakistan to start blowing up there shit and sending white powder letters in there mail in the name of jew/christianity

I think all the white powder letter senders were American too, were they not? American scientists... with access to government labs, was it not? Or am I wrong about that?

[theking]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

So this raises the question now...

Since our reasoning for attacking Afghanistan was because they were supposedly "where the terrorists came from", are we not now obligated to attack Washington D.C. where these terrorists came from?

The answer to your question...is no. Afghanistan knowingly gave safe harbor to a "terrorist" org as do some other countries. We do not knowingly give safe harbor to "terrorists/terrorist org's".

[Fletch XXX]

i wonder how many of them were actually born here? LOL

The men have been identified as Ramy Zamzam of Egyptian descent, Waqar Khan and Umar Farooq of Pakistani descent, and Aman Hassan Yemer and Ahmed Minni of Ethiopian descent.

How do they get the american title so easily?

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I think all the white powder letter senders were American too, were they not? American scientists... with access to government labs, was it not? Or am I wrong about that?

depends on who you consider an american scientist...somone who was born and raised and edcuated all there lives in the USA...or somone who came here from another country got a college degree and a job for the gov....

im surprised there arent more american people like that old man rambo who was hunting bin laden.... die hard "civilian" patriots willing to go to foriegn countries and pull the same shit on them as they do to the US.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by DEA

depends on who you consider an american scientist...somone who was born and raised and edcuated all there lives in the USA...or somone who came here from another country got a college degree and a job for the gov....

im surprised there arent more american people like that old man rambo who was hunting bin laden.... die hard "civilian" patriots willing to going to foriegn countries and pull the same shit on them as they do to the US.

If they're a legal American citizen, whether it's through birthright or Green Card, that constitutes American to me. Especially if they're working for the Federal government.

I'm kind of surprised too actually. We've got plenty of rednecks... I think they just aren't well funded enough. But that guy that went was useless as tits on a boar. Didn't he wander around for 6 years or something? Looking for Bin Laden.... lol... if he'd have ever run into Bin Laden or his band of merry terrorists, he would have been beheaded on camera and made an example of.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

So this raises the question now...

Since our reasoning for attacking Afghanistan was because they were supposedly "where the terrorists came from", are we not now obligated to attack Washington D.C. where these terrorists came from?

Hahahahahaha holy shit that is awesome and I'm stealing that ;)

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Hahahahahaha holy shit that is awesome and I'm stealing that ;)

LOL

[_Richard_]

do people just fly straight to pakistan? lol

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

LOL

I mean really, the logic is flawless... the natural response is for someone to say, "yeah but there are way more terrorists in Afghanistan!"... To which I will respond, "Sure but the per capita is about the same and who knows how many more are lurking in DC!"

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm kind of surprised too actually. We've got plenty of rednecks... I think they just aren't well funded enough. But that guy that went was useless as tits on a boar. Didn't he wander around for 6 years or something? Looking for Bin Laden.... lol... if he'd have ever run into Bin Laden or his band of merry terrorists, he would have been beheaded on camera and made an example of.

yeah kind of sad..Out of all the people flying there flags and giving there opinoin on these middle east bullshit wars .the one person from the US who actually mans the fuck up and goes on a mission to do something about it turn outs to be a fruitloop

i know there are laws in these countries that would put people like this in jail if they got caught..BUT...what if they succeeded in some way shape or form..would they be held liable here in the united states? would they be charged with breaking any US laws? would they be extradited to lets say pakistan or afghanistan?....the pakis and ghanis sure arent sending terrorist back to the usa for punishment

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

If they're a legal American citizen, whether it's through birthright or Green Card, that constitutes American to me.

I dont know man,... 99% of blacks aint never been to Africa yet want to be called African American LOL

If you were born in Egypt and come here for two years, that dont really make you American imo.

[theking]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

I mean really, the logic is flawless... the natural response is for someone to say, "yeah but there are way more terrorists in Afghanistan!"... To which I will respond, "Sure but the per capita is about the same and who knows how many more are lurking in DC!"

The logic is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by theking

The answer to your question...is no. Afghanistan knowingly gave safe harbor to a "terrorist" org as do some other countries. We do not knowingly give safe harbor to "terrorists/terrorist org's".

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

I mean really, the logic is flawless... the natural response is for someone to say, "yeah but there are way more terrorists in Afghanistan!"... To which I will respond, "Sure but the per capita is about the same and who knows how many more are lurking in DC!"

The DC terrorists are more dangerous I think. They have easy access to Internet and supplies and transportation and everything.... the Afghan terrorists are working out of caves....

I think that threat assessment is clear.

[Fletch XXX]

ps America not only harbors terrorists, we let them march down streets and have parades, just like those wacky middle east countries LOL



We just call it free speech and not terrorism despite highly established evidence these groups are terrorist. The KKK for example has one of ther most proven records of terrorism within the US, we let them rally every single year in multiple states.

LOL

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I dont know man,... 99% of blacks aint never been to Africa yet want to be called African American LOL

If you were born in Egypt and come here for two years, that dont really make you American imo.

I agree in principle, but if they're working in government labs with Anthrax and Ebola and Smallpox and shit.... they get to play by American rules, or go down in flames branded as "American Terrorist" when they fail. The Gov trusted them... there's really no higher authority unless we start gettin' metaphysical wit' it.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

How are we ever going to "win" in Afghanistan, if we can't even prevent our own people from joining the opposition? Maybe we should focus on "winning the hearts and minds" of the people in America first.

You see the problem is not that you "can't even prevent our own people from joining the opposition?", but that you think egyptian, ethiopian muslims are "your won americans"

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

ps America not only harbors terrorists, we let them march down streets and have parades, just like those wacky middle east countries LOL



We just call it free speech and not terrorism despite highly established evidence these groups are terrorist. The KKK for example has one of ther most proven records of terrorism within the US, we let them rally every single year in multiple states.

LOL

I'm pretty sure you just equated terrorism to useless white supremacist groups, which begs the question, are you braindead? We let these old timer rednecks march and do their thing because they are hardly on the radar anymore and if they DO disrupt something, it is no longer free speech and the law gets involved. Then again, I'm not surprised someone on this forum would make such a retarded comparison.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

you see the problem is not that you "can't even prevent our own people from joining the opposition?", but that you think egyptian, ethiopian muslims are "your won americans"

qft......

[theking]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

ps America not only harbors terrorists, we let them march down streets and have parades, just like those wacky middle east countries LOL



We just call it free speech and not terrorism despite highly established evidence these groups are terrorist. The KKK for example has one of ther most proven records of terrorism within the US, we let them rally every single year in multiple states.

LOL

They do not have safe harbor because...if and when...they committ an act of "terrorism/break the law" they are prosecuted in criminal/civil court.

[Fletch XXX]

PS as I know someones gonna come here and say the KKK isnt terrorist LOL

"The Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist group, was designated a terrorist group in 1871 by Congress."

[CamJack]

They look like a bunch of rappers

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

They look like a bunch of rappers

The Klan?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

PS as I know someones gonna come here and say the KKK isnt terrorist LOL

"The Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist group, was designated a terrorist group in 1871 by Congress."

The first KKK flourished in the South in the 1860s, then died out by the early 1870s

Hmm, the first KKK must have died out right after they were declared terrorists, ROFL.

[sperbonzo]

If they had only been able to go to Afghanistan by boat.... they would have been fine.




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[mountainmiester]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

"The Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist group, was designated a terrorist group in 1871 by Congress."

1871 is a topical year and reflects current thought.lol.

There were no women or blacks in congress then either as neither had the right to vote yet. If the congressional body was so conscience of the American People and moreover, the needs of minorities and women, why didn't they change the right for women and blacks to vote? I really cant take anything congress did or said at time as having any relevance whatsoever today.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by mountainmiester

1871 is a topical year and reflects current thought.lol.

There were no women or blacks in congress then either as neither had the right to vote yet. If the congressional body was so conscience of the American People and moreover, the needs of minorities and women, why didn't they change the right for women and blacks to vote? I really cant take anything congress did or said at time as having any relevance whatsoever today.

Ignore Fletch. There's not much you can say to someone who compares actual terrorism to the KKK and other White Supremacist Groups who just talk.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by mountainmiester

1871 is a topical year and reflects current thought.lol.

There were no women or blacks in congress then either as neither had the right to vote yet. If the congressional body was so conscience of the American People and moreover, the needs of minorities and women, why didn't they change the right for women and blacks to vote? I really cant take anything congress did or said at time as having any relevance whatsoever today.

Not sure what the year the group was first labeled terrorist has to do with the fact they still kill people and are still a terrorist org. You guys can play like the Klan doesnt exist, but they just killed a lady down here not long ago after a initiation ritual went sour and she wanted out. The KKK is often considered Americas first terrorist org/group, but its far from dead.

So go ahead, pretend its no longer a terrorist group, fact is, they are designated a terrorist org by our government and still act like one, yet we allow them to parade and rally in the street. We allow them to recruit and we all know the fact is they are heavily involved in crimes.

The Bayou Knights of the KKK are our local chapter and have been involved in many types of crimes. They do not gather to trade recipes thats for sure, they wage terror from the shadows while you guys pretened they dont exist, its hilarious

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Ignore Fletch. There's not much you can say to someone who compares actual terrorism to the KKK and other White Supremacist Groups who just talk.

LOL, is that why all those Aryan boys are doing time? For talking?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

LOL, is that why all those Aryan boys are doing time? For talking?

What's that? They're doing time? Oh, they must have broken the law then. I guess Free Speech isn't as absolute as Fletch has asserted. What exactly did they do that can be labeled "terrorism"?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

The Bayou Knights of the KKK are our local chapter and have been involved in many types of crimes. They do not gather to trade recipes thats for sure, they wage terror from the shadows while you guys pretened they dont exist, its hilarious

Damn, are you Mayabong's clone? I think we get enough stupidity from him, this would just be too much.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

LOL, is that why all those Aryan boys are doing time? For talking?

Hah! I had to see who you were quoting, my ignore plugin blocks The Demon and every post he makes.

He doesn't ignore me, so he cant take his own advice... he quotes me all the time and retorts with his nonsense which is why I have him on ignore because I got tired of seeing his drivel. He never posts any real retort, just name calling and cluelessness.

He couldnt go a single day with ignoring me LOL

And you are correct, people who act like WP groups are not terror groups are living in denial. Are clueless in regards to the reality of organized terror in the US and have no concept of the true nature of racial hate crimes in this country.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Hah! I had to see who you were quoting, my ignore plugin blocks The Demon and every post he makes.

He doesn't ignore me, so he cant take his own advice... he quotes me all the time and retorts with his nonsense which is why I have him on ignore because I got tired of seeing his drivel. He never posts any real retort, just name calling and cluelessness.

He couldnt go a single day with ignoring me LOL

And you are correct, people who act like WP groups are not terror groups are living in denial. Are clueless in regards to the reality of organized terror in the US and have no concept of the true nature of racial hate crimes in this country.

This is probably the 2nd or 3rd time I've actually quoted you and seeing as how nobody else here seems to take you seriously(for good reason), it looks like I'm doing you a favor. Please continue being the center of amusement in this thread.

[ottopottomouse]

Ramy Zamzam
Waqar Khan
Umar Farooq
Aman Hassan Yemer
Ahmed Minni

It's their stereotypical American names that gave them away

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

How are we ever going to "win" in Afghanistan, if we can't even prevent our own people from joining the opposition? Maybe we should focus on "winning the hearts and minds" of the people in America first.

They just empathise with their 'own people' in the same way as all the Americans who think they are Irish were happy to donate to Noraid.

[DEA - banned for life]

some of the posters in this thread should spend time working on there own novels instead of wasting great ideas and thoughts to the gfy board

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So basically the Pakistan government stopped a humanitarian mission to Afghanistan?? THOSE BASTARDS!!!!






(jk)