Nikki_Licks

Me too!

Alec,

It seems this is not the first time it has been mentioned about you supporting the .xxxtld movement.

So then I gather that the ASACP is on board with pushing .xxx through?

If so, what is in it for the ASACP?

I would love to know how the ASACP can donate "X" amount of dollars for each .xxxtld sold with out any return, after all, this is a business and no one does anything for the "good will of it"....... it's all about return.

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Oh, I'm not pressing Alec on the .XXX thing... I mean, what's he gonna say? I asked him once, and he plead the fifth, so to speak, so I don't expect him to say much on that. I was just honestly curious about the rumor I heard about there being an ASACP "Board" that sits ABOVE the Advisory Council in terms of the chain of command. I've always wondered if that was true or not. So many rumors in this industry, it's hard to know what to believe.

I didn't think that was a tough question... if there is such a Board, the answer is "Yes," and if there isn't such a Board, the answer is "No." If there is a Board, I'm just curious who's on it, since Boards generally control organizations such as these.

I know I used to be really active with the .XXX cause, and I follow it with interest, but I've long since given up on the .XXX thing with regards to adult companies. That domain name is toxic, and I personally will never support it. I believe most adult companies understand this, and the industry has made it clear that it doesn't want the .XXX extension. So, if it DOES happen, then Lawley likely managed to successfully play "behind the scenes" politics. Games like these usually come down to leverage.

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Connor

Nah, as I read it, all Q is trying to point out is what a scam .XXX has been to this point... kind of a way of printing money.

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pradaboy

Nobody can explain to me how this whole ordeal is nothing more than a scam to generate millions of dollars. $60 for a domain name is ridiculous, Verisign's pricing is already close to gangbang rape let alone this pricing model.

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marketsmart

BULLSHIT....

you may have some clandestine way of how money gets back to you, but it gets back to you in some way, shape , or form...

i knew you were supporting this bullshit a long time ago, but i still cant figure out why you would be doing it for $2 a domain..

i think people just want to know what your reasons are for supporting this.



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colin farrell

non profit status would require them to maintain transparency. Would have to be made aware. someone should look that up.

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TheDoc

I'm shocked you people give two shits about .xxx and some guy trying to make some underhanded money or some other companies business dealing... or anything with this.

It's sad, you people sound pathetic and jealous. Calling it how I see it...

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stuart is that you?

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Theo

no, but I've seen statistics, those are enough imho.

davecummings

It definitely was NOT me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GonZo

Im glad that suffices for you.

colin farrell

Originally Posted by HELMY View Post
I respect your feelings but did you know that .XXX's loudest and most aggressive opponents today formally expressed their desire to get on board with it?



Who are these people?

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marketsmart

no, for me i just want to know who is a sellout and who is not...

its just like how i have an american flag behind my shed so every once and awhile i can go back there and piss all over it...




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Nikki_Licks

And it wasn't me!!

Wonder who he is referring to?

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Sorry guys, I was in a 3 hour lunch meeting away from the office.

If you have verifiable info/facts that you want to bring to our attention, email editors [at] xbiz [dot] com or if you prefer, contact me direct alec [at] xbiz [dot] com.

Anything ASACP related, contact joan [at] asacp [dot] org.

Q wins the GFY All-Star Award in this thread.

Cheers.

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marketsmart

you are a great dancer...

do you have any videos of your moves on youtube?

how do i nominate you for dancing with the stars?



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topnotch, standup guy

You wouldn't care to substantiate that allegation with some names or even a solitary shred of evidence would you?


You mean those unknown people whom you just pulled out of your ass?

I don't know. Why don't you tell us.


Yeah. Perhaps it is.

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TheDoc

Sellout to what? Even if someone invested in .xxx, come on - we have threads talking about investing in bp and profiting from this shit storm in the gulf. It would be okay if that money was given to the people.... but, those are a different set of morals, I guess.

If whoever did invest in .xxx - it's not any of our concerns. People getting mad at others investments. Let's just say I'm glad people don't normally judge us by our investments - most of us wouldn't have any friends.

Sooo, what is the big issue with .xxx? Did the guy scam someone, is it fear or maybe he owe's someone money, in the mob or is he just some douche bag that people want to hate so they do?

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marketsmart

and you just summed up what is wrong with adult...


oh well, thats the way the ball bounces i guess...



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TheDoc

Then I kinda summed up capitalism...

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alec looks really guilty in this thred.

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tony286

See the problem is from what I read here, your pretty much retired so if it all turns to shit no skin off your nose. This investment can affect my business. I will have to buy more domains because if serious changes happen don't want to be odd man out.
if it becomes a law in my state that your site must be .xxx .
If christian groups put pressure on the isps that .xxx is automatically shut off and one has to call to ask for it not to be filtered.
If it becomes law in America.I have a feeling the day they get approved will be the day they will be lobbying for it to become law.
You have always stuck me as a really bright guy I'm surprised you cant see the bigger picture.

marketsmart

and whats wrong with capitalism...

you see, the definition of capitalism has changed what it once was..

i dont remember capitalism being about fucking over your competitors..

to me capitalism is about free ideas and making money on those ideas without limitations and without fucking over everyone around you, but thats just my definition...


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TheDoc

Thanks for the input Tony. I still have adult investments. I just wont buy a .xxx domain and you have no reason to buy one either, in my opinion.

If our Gov wants this, we will never stop it either way - this time, next time or if it ever happens. But our Gov hasn't shown signs of actually wanting to shut us down. They're just as big of douche bags to other Industries as they are ours - I just don't see them forcing this though.

If .xxx ever went to law, it would be crushed in courts for all types of reasons. They aren't going to give our Industry a green light zone to build porn. They aren't going to step on our freedom of expression/speech, business ability, money we have/profits we're making. It would open a flood gate of hell from the biggest porn Companies in the Industry, not in just this but copyright/brands, suits against the Gov for that too. Everyone would awaken, me, you, big, small - lawyers, other Countries would go nuts too.

The Gov is a bit slow, but they aren't stupid.

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TheDoc

Nothing wrong with Capitalism at all - it's what we both explained. I wasn't aware the guy fuck over competitors though. Any details on that? Cause that's what I'm really looking for.

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Tickler

Hey quentin, you could use these guys for your promotion.
But then they keep 50 Euros if you don't get the domain.

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crazytrini85

Wow. You should run for office somewhere.

You are guilty. Everyone can see it.

There are always ways to profit from non-profit orgs.

It seems Helmy dogging real questions is part of his job. Yet he will come in here and flame Mike for pushing and forcing people to take note of the real questions, with a blog that a lot of the real industry reads. Helmy can dish it out but can't take it. This much is evident.

The good news is, that as the DVD industry comes to a halt and the internet side slowing down, Helmy's business isn't so solid anymore. Less people to buy ads means its one day closer to the demise of Xbix, AVN and the others. Without ads, lots of them, they can not survive. Perhaps this is why his "non-profit" group wants paid from .xxx. While he may not directly and personally profit from it, ASACP will and he will get a salary from them long after Xbiz is dead. Use your heads, not hard to comprehend. This is job preservation.

Hemly, you have shown your colors and your refusal to answer even the most simple of questions is disturbing. Now allowing an industry and award winning vet to post on your forum shows you are censoring your board and only allow weak opposition, because you know Mike would rip Stewart a new asshole over there and out you for what you and your group really are, frauds. Otherwise, why not let him be a part of the discussion?

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NOTHING!

Its the sleaze, back door deals and lying to everyone that has him in the hot seat. If he just said, "yes, we support xxx and will profit from it, adapt or die people" the industry would flip but at least he would be straight up about it and there is a certain amount of respect that comes with being honest.

He is securing his job for the future. I understand that. Maybe I would too if I could. But the fact that he is lying about it is why most are in arms. He has to lie or his shitty magazine will lose a lot of advertisers. Helmy is scum because he doesn't have a backbone to stand up for himself and speak the truth. He's a lot like these dirt bag program owners.

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Nikki_Licks

Sorry? The only thing that is sorry is your Failed response to the questions asked above
How about answering some simple questions or maybe you can send one of your sidekicks in here to answer these. I am sure you made them aware of this thread.

This BS response leads me to believe you/the ASACP and Lawley are all in bed together with this bogus.xxx campaign.

My unanswered questions in bold:YOu are part of the ASACP and can answer the questions, but you chose not to. What's there to hide, Alec?

Alec,

It seems this is not the first time it has been mentioned about you supporting the .xxxtld movement.

So then I gather that the ASACP is on board with pushing .xxx through?

If so, what is in it for the ASACP?

I would love to know how the ASACP can donate "X" amount of dollars for each .xxxtld sold with out any return, after all, this is a business and no one does anything for the "good will of it"....... it's all about return.



Here is a bump for you helmy, after all, you started this thread

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this looks really bad on xbiz.

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Bryan G

hmm interesting

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Nikki_Licks

And the ASACP too! They stand to make money hand over fist while smiling to your face and fucking you in the ass.
Hypocrites at best

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Connor

Okay, so then I'll just take it that you refuse to answer the question about whether ASACP has a Board or not? And if it does, who's on it? Honestly, I didn't think that would be a difficult question, I'm not sure why all the secretiveness and evasion here.

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Quentin

That it does.... but I think the anatomical feature that some people were hoping this thread would have is the bit that hangs in between the legs. ;-)

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Nikki_Licks

Wouldn't it be amusing if this board consist of Helmy, friends and family?

Wouldn't it also be amusing if all the sponsors and supporters found out that the ASACP was in bed with .xxx and he/they were using "their money" to help sell them all out...

Now those are reasons to be secretive if in fact it was true, not saying it is, just pondering..........

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I would not be surprised.

Job security for all of them. That's all this is.

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kristin

Big edit.

It's Friday.

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GonZo

Kind of reminds me of the hierarchy for Women in Adult over the years now that you mention it.

Nikki_Licks

What got me thinking about it, was this post from another board

As always, the best way to figure people's motivations out is to follow the money.

The ASACP leadership in the past has made it clear they support .XXX, and more importantly, following the money says that their organization would get a major funding boost from it. for every million domains registered and maintained, ASACP would see nearly 10 million a year in funding (right out of your pocket).

I would wonder if any of the lawyer types would like to comment on the concept of being forced to donate to a non-profit. It would seem to violate the 1st amendment, no?

Wouldn't it be nice to get some answers from the thread starter...

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But he is not relevant to this industry. He owns ZERO at adult. He is a leach on industry or at least trying to be. All you are doing is helping to legitimatize him as being part of this industry, which the worst thing for all of us ... Well I can't speak for you not sure what kind of deal you have with him.

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crazytrini85

10 Million dollars is enough a reason to support .XXX. I'd support them to for that kind of money.

It's a shame they can't be honest about it. That's the bad part. Just grow a pair and speak the truth instead of telling others to seek it out. WE KNOW IT.

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I dont think this thread went the way he was hoping.

Nikki_Licks

[QUOTE=crazytrini85;17340950]10 Million dollars is enough a reason to support .XXX. I'd support them to for that kind of money.

The way I see it, The Real shame is that these same people (ASACP) who are smiling, shaking hands, acting concerned and befriending webmasters in an attempt to convince them that the horseshit and window dressing they are pushing is good for the industry when in fact the only good it is doing, is to fill their pockets with money, from "what I consider" a bogus platform to "protect children from porn"....... as they laugh and sell all of us and the industry down the river...truly pathetic group of individuals.

I am also interested in all the sites they claim to have shut down. Did they really shut any sites down? Or was this some more snake oil tactics used to collect new members and money for the cause of fucking each and everyone in this industry over?

If a company is non-profit, would it be out of the ordinary for any involved in the industry or naive people who became supporters of the ASACP, to see this so called list of sites they took down? I ask this because I believe it was mentioned to some degree earlier.

Maybe Helmy actually does not like the adult industry as well as his board members...who knows. Not saying its true, just pondering once more ;)

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And it isn't going away either ;)

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[QUOTE=Nikki_Licks;17341026]You mean my question was actually pertinent to the core discussion?

davecummings

What do you think about the offer lawley made to Diane/FSC?

Here's a copy/paste of her post from earlier today:

Fri, Jul 16, 01:38 pm
I wanted to respond to a few of the comments posted earlier.

Dave and Tom did not lie. Deals were proposed to FSC and others in 2004. It's a fact and there are NUMEROUS individuals who will attest to that.

Stuart also told me, prior to my trip to Brussels during a conversation in which he was trying to gain FSC support, that part of that $10 going to support "charities" could go to support FSC's programs. He also told me that he would offer whatever "comfort" we needed. As you can imagine, that suggestion fell flat with FSC.

Stuart tells mainstream media that the $10 of the $60 will go to protect children. He tells the adult industry that the $10 will go to protect the adult industry. Stuart, we don't have any children in the adult industry so which is it?

You want Reader's Digest?

.XXX will harm the adult entertainment industry through:
* Probable .XXX mandate that will facilitate censorship and attacks from anti-industry extremists
* Reduction of industry profits as ICM purports to make $200 million ANNUALLY off of the industry through its existing online market. We know that if companies register they are doing so defensively thus throwing dollars down the drain to protect the brand and traffic they already enjoy.
* Damaging the reputation of the adult industry and its .com presence by marking the industry and those entities that are not .XXX as irresponsible.

ICM/Stuart is misleading ICANN and the Adult Industry about:
* Support he has from the industry
* Promises and deals that have been "suggested"
* The IFFOR Board its make-up and mission
* That the application is a "Done Deal* it is NOT!!!!!

The next steps in the process will be to block the application acceptance. There are two avenues for doing that.
1. To show that their application is no longer valid today
2. To support GAC in its opposition to the .XXX sTLD

If you are interested in GAC's position on .XXX you can read their last two statements on the subject at the links below:

http://www.icann.org/en/committees/g...ue-28mar06.pdf
http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...rf-02feb07.pdf

Finally, thank you to Darklady and Colin and Angie from Wasteland for their financial support. Between .XXX, the OSHA/mandatory condoms issue and our lawsuit with the feds concerning 2257, your help is not only appreciated but desperately needed.

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