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georgeyw · 07-21-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

So let me get this straight. On GFY there is;

1. A broke alcoholic who is desperate over $150 from a year ago, and lets people take $500 chips from him without doing something about it.

2. There is an affiliate rep who takes $500 chips from people, and can't even pay back a measly $150.

Two loosers on GFY barely seems like news.

Abbie · 07-21-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

You'd be better off starting a thread about it and let the gfy collection agency do the dirty work. If he's strung you along for two years then he obviously has no intention of paying you, so you've got nothing to lose at this point by making it public.

Heheh I'll never see a dime. More and more I hear about him being late paying people (or not payin at all), him talkin shit about me, etc.

I'm sure in due time it'll eventually make its way out as he continues to fuck himself. I'm just enjoying watching the show.

SallyRand · 07-21-2010, 09:24 PM

Grab a $500 chip from me and I'll drop kick you through the goalposts of life!

And Baby Jesus would smile!

Sally.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Grab a $500 chip from me and I'll drop kick you through the goalposts of life!

And Baby Jesus would smile!

Sally.

Another sign that it was most likely given rather than taken.

potter · 07-21-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 09:39 PM

1) if someone fucks with you for 28 months without paying back and you're ok with it I'm sorry for you

2) If you employ someone who needs a "payment plan" for $ 150 I'm sorry for you

3) I don't ever give anyone $ 500, no matter if I won that money on Black Jack, sorry I'm an old jew, I might have a sarcastic way of fucking with people when I'm drunk, and if they grab a chip from my hand I react the opposite what they'd think and watch their reaction, I'll give you credit for that, but that doesn't change anything on the fact that he

a) kept the money
b) promised to pay back the day after and it took me another 8 months to get the first money

4) someone obviously didn't mind keeping my money from January 2008 and constantly fucking with me, if you remember he even admitted he didn't pay in this thread - if that's not enough for you - troll on

5) If he likes to "avoid confrontation" he made a huge mistake fucking with me for 28 month, if you think it's funny to pull someone's leg I'm sorry for you, if it's ok in your book I'm sorry for youm only lowlifes and deadbeats do this, either you pay your debts or you're a deadbeat

6) I don't need the money - it's a question of principles

Obviously, you have no principles yourself and only love to speculate like a bunch of smartasses or five grade kids that need bitchslapping

Thank you, now troll on and stand for your buddy who fucks with people like a lowlife pimp

Deej · 07-21-2010, 09:44 PM

Never once did I say what he did wasnt wrong and that you should be fucked over it. I said you werent honest in your favor and its chicken shit to act the victim when in the beginning its your own fault.

Especially when you dont need the money... right?

I do believe you bent the truth and omitted the truth to makes yourself gleem in light.

THATS the issue I have.

NOT the fucking money. See I myself AM worried about the principle. Maybe I shouldnt be. But dont sit here and act like im sticking up for Dwreck. Im calling you both out for your bullshit.

Feel sorry? Shit, Id feel way more sorry for people that do dumb shit and then blame others and even go as far as bullshitting the public in the name of principle.

Now THATS irony.

georgeyw · 07-21-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

Good to see you have a sense of humour - more people on here need one

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

you are wrong as you CAN be objective. I also feel youre wrong on the principle part. I feel Carlos made this thread like he did to tarnish Dwreck's name into giving the money back right away and thats the only reason I have said anything in this thread... its not just about the principle for Carlos... It IS about getting his money. If it was principle it wouldnt have gone down like this.

THats all my point is... im not arguing the actual principle.

Surely you can see that.

Ugh, I'm beating my head against the wall trying to explain to you what being objective means.

Carlos said in this post it wasn't about the money, http://www.gfy.com/17351906-post74.html

Carlos didn't tarnish dwreck's name, he did that to himself by stringing Carlos along and not paying him when he said he would. You're right, of course Carlos posted the details of the situation to make dwreck uncomfortable, he'd been getting strung along and had had enough.

Looks like dwreck is now banned, probably for posting personal info. This is his second banning and if he gets another will be banned for life here, not what you want to happen when you're an affiliate rep.

georgeyw · 07-21-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I would bet anything he's still posting here under another nick. He was here every day, don't think he could just drop gfy. I'm sure he's posting under one of these recent fake nicks that remarkably is able to remember all things past on gfy.

Was thinking much the same.

He falls into the category of so many before - big mouth writing cheques his ass can't cash.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Abbie

There's a program OWNER on gfy who promos here and tries to act like a big shot, but he owes me over $10k from 2008 .... you don't see me having drama over it. Sometimes you just got smile, move on, and get under their skin by being the better person (and crushing them as competition) hehe.

I'm sure everyone has good intentions here, no matter how biased or unbiased they are. I don't know Carlos, nor do I know what happened that night. I'm sure it could have been worked out without a 4page thread though

Abbie, do you think I didn't try to "work it out other way"?

Did you read the thread?

Do you find it funny if someone fucks with you?

I had to meet him in person it took me 8 months of non sense excuses I can find those if that will help the matter, millions of excuses how he can't pay this and that and that way\

Do you think I should wait for another two and a half years while he'll be buying himself new macbooks and watches and stuff?

As I said it's absolutely not about money, in fact the small sum is what makes me bring this to the boards.

If Derek is unable to get to the PC and send me silly $ 150 and needs a "payment plan" I'm talking about someone spitting in my face, if he owed me say $ 4000 I can imagine he might need a "payment plan" but sorry, I have absolutely no sympathy nor do I understand this mentality.

If someone doesn't pay his bills he needs to be outed, otherwise only more people get fucked.

Do you want me to publicize all the logs with icq over the last two and a half years?

Do you want to read all the "excuses"

I don't care about the money I won't even spend them, I'll donate them, I care about someone constantly finding more and more excuses why can't he pay pocket money

Do you really believe he is unable to pay $ 150?

This is nothing against your company and I've stated that in the very beginning, this is personal, and if he is unable to solve it on personal level with me in 28 months I have absolutely no sympathy.

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Never once did I say what he did wasnt wrong and that you should be fucked over it. I said you werent honest in your favor and its chicken shit to act the victim when in the beginning its your own fault.

Especially when you dont need the money... right?

I do believe you bent the truth and omitted the truth to makes yourself gleem in light.

THATS the issue I have.

NOT the fucking money. See I myself AM worried about the principle. Maybe I shouldnt be. But dont sit here and act like im sticking up for Dwreck. Im calling you both out for your bullshit.

Feel sorry? Shit, Id feel way more sorry for people that do dumb shit and then blame others and even go as far as bullshitting the public in the name of principle.

Now THATS irony.

You weren't there, its pointless to keep commenting on it when you don't know how it went down. The bottom line, if dwreck felt he was given the money and didn't owe Carlos he would have never agreed to pay it back and discuss a payment plan. He admitted he owed him the money and it took him 20 months to finally pay it back, that's the real issue here.

Sausage · 07-21-2010, 10:01 PM

Wow ... a 5 page thread over possibly $150.

Damn.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Never once did I say what he did wasnt wrong and that you should be fucked over it. I said you werent honest in your favor and its chicken shit to act the victim when in the beginning its your own fault.

Especially when you dont need the money... right?

I do believe you bent the truth and omitted the truth to makes yourself gleem in light.

THATS the issue I have.

NOT the fucking money. See I myself AM worried about the principle. Maybe I shouldnt be. But dont sit here and act like im sticking up for Dwreck. Im calling you both out for your bullshit.

Feel sorry? Shit, Id feel way more sorry for people that do dumb shit and then blame others and even go as far as bullshitting the public in the name of principle.

Now THATS irony.

FACTS:

1) he kept the money without getting in touch with me before leaving, and the day after this happened he promised on the phone to pay back

2) it took me 8 months of bullshit excuses to get some money back

3) he didn't bother to pay back the rest, it took me another 20 months of bullshit excuses

4) resulting in a "payment plan" for $ 150 - that's a joke, you can't be serious with this, can you?

Did you ever seriously asked someone for a "payment plan" on $ 150 talking about "rent" and stuff?

Where do I bias the facts, ok I didn't remember I joked with him but since I use to do it it's entirely possible and I gave Quagmire credit for that, so I don't accuse Derek of STEALING but of BULLSHITING me for 28 months

Is this ok with you?

Believe me I'm not the one that would like to get fucked, of course you ALWAYS get fucked, say you won't ever recover 5 pct. of your gross earnings, but if someone goes belly up or whatever or just plain fucks everybody and disappears I can eat that, thieves are everywhere

NOT like someone's acting over here buying macbooks and stuff while he can't sit down and send you a couple bucks like a man would and he'll be whining about how he wants to pay you but can't

Sorry, if you think it's ok, I'm sorry for you

I'd still like to do business with men that I can trust with a hand shake, but it's a rare breed

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-21-2010, 10:06 PM

Wasn't sure which pic to post:

OR...

This drama falls far short of the Shoehorn vs Dirty D drama - unless there is more dirt that either of you can share...

Don't Equivocate - Escalate!!!

ADG

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

You weren't there, its pointless to keep commenting on it when you don't know how it went down. The bottom line, if dwreck felt he was given the money and didn't owe Carlos he would have never agreed to pay it back and discuss a payment plan. He admitted he owed him the money and it took him 20 months to finally pay it back, that's the real issue here.

Finally someone who gets it and not a troll that tries to speculate

Once again, it's not about money, I don't need those money, I will donate them

And I've recovered pretty much all my debts in the past, much more than $ 500

No one had the balls to fuck with me for 28 months constantly promising to pay and pay while buying himself macbooks and stuff, sorry

It's a personal insult and if he's not able to solve it like a man in 28 months, I have no sympathy, this is the first time in five years I went on boards outing someone, and I have no regret

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Ugh, I'm beating my head against the wall trying to explain to you what being objective means.

Carlos said in this post it wasn't about the money, http://www.gfy.com/17351906-post74.html

Carlos didn't tarnish dwreck's name, he did that to himself by stringing Carlos along and not paying him when he said he would. You're right, of course Carlos posted the details of the situation to make dwreck uncomfortable, he'd been getting strung along and had had enough.

Looks like dwreck is now banned, probably for posting personal info. This is his second banning and if he gets another will be banned for life here, not what you want to happen when you're an affiliate rep.

Again, youre wrong and i too feel as if Im beating my head against a wall.

I know what Dwreck did isnt good. But Carlos did infact illegitimately tarnish his name by beginning this thread with statements that made us all think Dwreck ran up stole it from him and gave him the finger. People even said things like getting the casino involved. When in fact it wasnt like that at all.

And yes I can be objective. I said what I said to both. Im just voicing less to dwreck because hes simply not here. I will discuss things with him in private.

Take for instance How Madalton came in. "youre a no good scumbag and carlos is the man" now while hes entitled to that opinion, he was biased as he didnt mention to carlos in here anything like " Hey dude, why didnt you lay it out like it was and not bullshit the crowd, Oh and fuck you Dwreck" See that also would have been unbiased while having Carlos as a friend. Did you see it like that?

Now reread all my posts.

I dont really see what youre arguing about.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

This drama falls far short of the Shoehorn vs Dirty D drama - unless there is more dirt that either of you can share...

Don't Equivocate - Escalate!!!

ADG

ADG, if you were in this thread at the very start he pulled the lowest of the low, I had to let it deleted cause I'm not interested to have facts about the death of beloved one on GFY, he's banned for that and it just shows how I used to "trust" him in the past, otherwise I'd never tell him.

I'm happy you're having fun and keep doing so, but some things in this thread are not entirely that funny I'm afraid.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Finally someone who gets it and not a troll that tries to speculate

Once again, it's not about money, I don't need those money, I will donate them

And I've recovered pretty much all my debts in the past, much more than $ 500

No one had the balls to fuck with me for 28 months constantly promising to pay and pay while buying himself macbooks and stuff, sorry

Im not denying your "facts", man... Im not saying your deserve this...

PLease, finally and for the last time, realize my only issue with this thread is how you went about it. You DID lie in the beginning and no I wasnt there, but when someone comes in and spills his side and you then admit that it is entirely possible it went that way instead of the way you painted.... I think im going to go with that.

Youre spewing "principle" when infact you arent exuding integrity within your own rant.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

ADG, if you were in this thread at the very start he pulled the lowest of the low, I had to let it deleted cause ------, he's banned for that and it just shows how I used to "trust" him in the past, otherwise I'd never tell him.

I'm happy you're having fun and keep doing so, but some things in this thread are not entirely that funny I'm afraid.

ironic that what you just said damn near sums up what he said. Just because he said it in two more sentences...

this really isnt about the principle at all... youre just mad... rightfully so... but do not claim your actions out of principle

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:15 PM

Good night GFY!!!!

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Again, youre wrong and i too feel as if Im beating my head against a wall.

I know what Dwreck did isnt good. But Carlos did infact illegitimately tarnish his name by beginning this thread with statements that made us all think Dwreck ran up stole it from him and gave him the finger. People even said things like getting the casino involved. When in fact it wasnt like that at all.

If you take $ 500 from someone and keep it, can't pay back in 28 months unless you're confronted eye to eye how do you call that?

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Originally Posted by Deej

And yes I can be objective. I said what I said to both. Im just voicing less to dwreck because hes simply not here. I will discuss things with him in private.

How can you be objective if you weren't there?

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Originally Posted by Deej

Take for instance How Madalton came in. "youre a no good scumbag and carlos is the man" now while hes entitled to that opinion, he was biased as he didnt mention to carlos in here anything like " Hey dude, why didnt you lay it out like it was and not bullshit the crowd, Oh and fuck you Dwreck" See that also would have been unbiased while having Carlos as a friend. Did you see it like that?

So keeping $ 500 and not paying back in 28 months pulling someone's leg is ok for you and your bro?

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Originally Posted by Deej

Now reread all my posts.

I dont really see what youre arguing about.

I did and I don't see what you're arguing about

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Im not denying your "facts", man... Im not saying your deserve this...

PLease, finally and for the last time, realize my only issue with this thread is how you went about it. You DID lie in the beginning and no I wasnt there, but when someone comes in and spills his side and you then admit that it is entirely possible it went that way instead of the way you painted.... I think im going to go with that.

Youre spewing "principle" when infact you arent exuding integrity within your own rant.

I didn't lie, I seriously didn't remember that, and I gave Quagmire credit for bringing that up, yet I do not think it makes any difference.

Someone kept my money, promised to pay back and was unable to pay back in 28 months while constantly making a jackass out of me and spitting in my face

Your buddy even admitted that - remember?

Do you really think it's ok if someone brings facts about your family on a public board while he tries to save his "reputation" over $ 500 he was unable to pay in full in 28 months?

Would you be ok with that?

If you can't admit this man acted like a prime scumbag you're no better than him.

I'm sorry, if someone touches my family I have no regret at all, this is the lowest of the low.

Sorry

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

ironic that what you just said damn near sums up what he said. Just because he said it in two more sentences...

this really isnt about the principle at all... youre just mad... rightfully so... but do not claim your actions out of principle

I explained that above and your avatar picture explains why you're trying to ridicule me here.

Nothing personal against you, but choose your buddies wiser, I also regarded Derek as a friend at some point, I was even so dumb I told him something very personal that he immediately used on a public board trying to ridicule me. I'm usually extremely discrete and cautious, but I guess this guy has a gift to make "friends" with people.

I have absolutely no sympathy with him and I'm glad I started this thread.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:27 PM

OK maybe not goodnight...

Dwreck was wrong, get that straight.

however. yes how he got the chip does matter. If you did in fact push. then shit. at that point its his.

You then want it back. now I dont know but maybe he didnt see it liek that as maybe he spent some and then found himself in a predicament after someone gave him that chip. But being thata nice and non confrontational person that Dwreck is.... that we ALL (even you im sure) know him to be. he says yea, Ill pay you back.

Dwreck not being the baller that some are trying to say he has acted like... I dont think it was hey look you mother fuckers, look at my mac im such a fucking wheelin pimp... like say a cyberage dave lambo thread. It was mroe to me like a hey I made the transition and what do you all think, type of thread. Yes it would make me fume, but youre using that to inflate your story. Anyway... yes he didnt pay you back right away but you then shook him down next time you seen him in person. Now that again would tick me off even if I did owe you money. Debts are not to be paid back at YOUR will unless contracted. YOu got yourself into the situation and it seems you had more control over it than either of you.

You did paint him to be a thief in the beginning UP until quagmire's post.

I would say all of this the very same if you were just as much if not more of a friend... only difference would be it most likely would be in private.

spitting in your face? come on. Thats you letting him say i cant pay you right now get to you. Did he really shake a 500 at you and laugh? i seriously doubt it.

the post you replied to in quotes in #223 was all directed at lazycash, not you...

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Again, youre wrong and i too feel as if Im beating my head against a wall.

I know what Dwreck did isnt good. But Carlos did infact illegitimately tarnish his name by beginning this thread with statements that made us all think Dwreck ran up stole it from him and gave him the finger. People even said things like getting the casino involved. When in fact it wasnt like that at all.

And yes I can be objective. I said what I said to both. Im just voicing less to dwreck because hes simply not here. I will discuss things with him in private.

Take for instance How Madalton came in. "youre a no good scumbag and carlos is the man" now while hes entitled to that opinion, he was biased as he didnt mention to carlos in here anything like " Hey dude, why didnt you lay it out like it was and not bullshit the crowd, Oh and fuck you Dwreck" See that also would have been unbiased while having Carlos as a friend. Did you see it like that?

Now reread all my posts.

I dont really see what youre arguing about.

If you try and join a jury for a trial involving one of your good friend's as the defendant you will be denied because they will tell you that you can't possibly have an objective unbiased viewpoint going into the trial simply because of the very nature of your relationship with the defendant. The same applies here, its rooted in the definition of the word and impossible for you simply because of your relationship with dwreck. I have no problem with you coming in here and backing up your friend, but get off the high horse of continuing to say you are completely unbiased on this matter.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I explained that above and your avatar picture explains why you're trying to ridicule me here.

Nothing personal against you, but choose your buddies wiser.

you can say buddy this and buddy that all you want... I do have Dwreck in my pic. He is a guy I like at shows. But you were just as much friends as me and him are. So thats bullshit.

I do have much better friends in this industry thats Id say this shit to as well.

Im no Bro... And you have alsways struck me as a know how guy even though I have really no clue what you do. None of that matters to me except what Ive said about this thread.

Perhaps if it wasnt Dwreck... maybe I wouldnt have given a shit and said as much.... but that facts and thoughts Ive said would be no different for anyone. Some are arguing just for the sake of arguing rather than actually refuting facts and words.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

If you try and join a jury for a trial involving one of your good friend's as the defendant you will be denied because they will tell you that you can't possibly have an objective unbiased viewpoint going into the trial simply because of the very nature of your relationship with the defendant. The same applies here, its rooted in the definition of the word and impossible for you simply because of your relationship with dwreck. I have no problem with you coming in here and backing up your friend, but get off the high horse of continuing to say you are completely unbiased on this matter.

this isnt court and just because thats a policy in court does not mean that being objective isnt possible.

I gave you perfect examples of how and why I was.

Youre one of the ones that are just arguing without staying on track with my words.

no high horse, never had one. In fact i chop ,myself more than anyone.

100% unbiased, no youre right...a s i did take a smidge more offense to Carlos bullshit claims since it was my friend. But im talking a 2% biasism at most. as where Carlos is comepletely biased to the situation. As are some in this thread.

YOu have to admit to that logic. if not... well then... You have a logic flaw.

Abbie · 07-21-2010, 10:36 PM

Carlos, I am not Derek's mommy, I am his boss.

What he does with his money after he's paid, is completely up to him. Derek's debt to you has nothing to do with us.

I read most of the thread, got a lil bored though. In the end, what does his "employer" have to do with any of this? Esp since we didn't employ him in 2008 nor was he at this convention repping us back then.

You all should hug.

baddog · 07-21-2010, 10:40 PM

So, why did Derek get banned?

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

this isnt court and just because thats a policy in court does not mean that being objective isnt possible.

I gave you perfect examples of how and why I was.

Youre one of the ones that are just arguing without staying on track with my words.

no high horse, never had one. In fact i chop ,myself more than anyone.

100% unbiased, no youre right...a s i did take a smidge more offense to Carlos bullshit claims since it was my friend. But im talking a 2% biasism at most. as where Carlos is comepletely biased to the situation. As are some in this thread.

YOu have to admit to that logic. if not... well then... You have a logic flaw.

Oh well I tried, it doesn't have to be court, its inherent in the definition of the word and that was the best analogy I could figure out to try and get you to understand. Once you have a close relationship with someone, at the point it becomes impossible to be completely objective on a matter involving them, thats just fact. It has nothing to do with tit for tat and how much you said for one party and not for the other. I'm not sure I see anything logical in what you're saying, I'm merely trying to correct you on something erroneous you said and I'm sorry this derailed the thread.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Abbie

Carlos, I am not Derek's mommy, I am his boss.

What he does with his money after he's paid, is completely up to him. Derek's debt to you has nothing to do with us.

I read most of the thread, got a lil bored though. In the end, what does his "employer" have to do with any of this? Esp since we didn't employ him in 2008 nor was he at this convention repping us back then.

You all should hug.

Well, I suppose you're employing him now when he needs a "payment plan" for $ 150

I hope he's doing a good job because if my employee acted like this I'd fire his ass immediately without regret

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So, why did Derek get banned?

He posted part of an icq conversation where Carlos said some very personal things that were irrelevant to the situation. I don't think dwreck meant anything by it and probably just cut and pasted without thinking. I don't think he should have gotten banned over it, but maybe having just been banned he was on thin ice.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So, why did Derek get banned?

He posted personal info (not names) within personal ICQ convos...

mgtarheels · 07-21-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Abbie

Carlos, I am not Derek's mommy, I am his boss.

What he does with his money after he's paid, is completely up to him. Derek's debt to you has nothing to do with us.

I read most of the thread, got a lil bored though. In the end, what does his "employer" have to do with any of this? Esp since we didn't employ him in 2008 nor was he at this convention repping us back then.

You all should hug.

But derek posting personal information that shouldn't be posted portrays a negative light on derek.

This negative light is carried over to any promo or any dealings on gfy about your company.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Oh well I tried, it doesn't have to be court, its inherent in the definition of the word and that was the best analogy I could figure out to try and get you to understand. Once you have a close relationship with someone, at the point it becomes impossible to be completely objective on a matter involving them, thats just fact. It has nothing to do with tit for tat and how much you said for one party and not for the other. I'm not sure I see anything logical in what you're saying, I'm merely trying to correct you on something erroneous you said and I'm sorry this derailed the thread.

I understand why the court has that policy instated. So they dont waste their time for "potential" issues within friendships.

again read my words as Yes... I gave a tiny amount of biased nature... the small amount that gave me anough energy to continue writing in this thread on the subject, but not an ounce more.

I gave you an examples as to how much of my biased attitude went into my methods and actions here.

You just cant admit what im saying can you?

Deej · 07-21-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

But derek posting personal information that shouldn't be posted portrays a negative light on derek.

This negative light is carried over to any promo or any dealings on gfy about your company.

This was a bad thing. (See lazy cash, this is me saying Dwreck's action was bullshit) Note that!

But does it reflect the company? No, I dont think so as Dwreck was known and got his reputation and was involved in this incident far before he was even involved with his current employer.

Thats just common sense...

He did what he did out of retaliation for being called a thief, unrightfully so. Which is far worse than posting personal info. Ill lay money on the thought that we would replay that differently.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

OK maybe not goodnight...

Dwreck was wrong, get that straight.

however. yes how he got the chip does matter. If you did in fact push. then shit. at that point its his.

You then want it back. now I dont know but maybe he didnt see it liek that as maybe he spent some and then found himself in a predicament after someone gave him that chip. But being thata nice and non confrontational person that Dwreck is.... that we ALL (even you im sure) know him to be. he says yea, Ill pay you back.

He was unable to pay me back until I saw him eye to eye 8 months later and got some of my money back in cash

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Originally Posted by Deej

Dwreck not being the baller that some are trying to say he has acted like... I dont think it was hey look you mother fuckers, look at my mac im such a fucking wheelin pimp... like say a cyberage dave lambo thread. It was mroe to me like a hey I made the transition and what do you all think, type of thread. Yes it would make me fume, but youre using that to inflate your story. Anyway... yes he didnt pay you back right away but you then shook him down next time you seen him in person. Now that again would tick me off even if I did owe you money. Debts are not to be paid back at YOUR will unless contracted. YOu got yourself into the situation and it seems you had more control over it than either of you.

So if you keep someone's money you can keep tham as long as you wish? Is that what you're saying?

And If someone promises you to pay in January, in February, in March, in April, in May, in June, in July, and eventually you get a part of the money in August, then the rest after 20 months once you call him out, where does that put me?

Am I the wrong person, seriously?

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Originally Posted by Deej

You did paint him to be a thief in the beginning UP until quagmire's post.

I would say all of this the very same if you were just as much if not more of a friend... only difference would be it most likely would be in private.

In retrospect if someone's unable to pay for 28 months until you call him out he IS a THIEF in my book,

28 months shrinked into 20 minutes after I called him out - does that mean he couldn't pay the money before?

Do you really believe he couldn't pay me back? Or that he CHOSE not to pay me back?

Why did he choose not to pay me back? Especially when it's such a small sum?

He admitted that, remember?

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Originally Posted by Deej

spitting in your face? come on. Thats you letting him say i cant pay you right now get to you. Did he really shake a 500 at you and laugh? i seriously doubt it.

the post you replied to in quotes in #223 was all directed at lazycash, not you...

He laughed at me all the way for 28 months, there's no such feeling like chasing someone for $ 500 and then $ 150, but I'm gonna do it, especially if it's a personal loan, and I was patient with him. I value my money, sorry, I'm gonna pick every penny that I can.

If I lend someone money and he agrees to pay back, I expect him to pay back

I was patient enough to wait for 28 months, 28 months do you think I wanted to out him?

"payment plan" for $ 150 and his bullshit that he needs to pay "rent" and buying a macbook was the last straw, that was the spit in my face and I told myself fuck it I don't care what anyone thinks enough is enough, this guy is way out of line.

I have no sympathy for such manners.

will76 · 07-21-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

lol he took your chip and cash it out ?

no he prolly took the chip and cashed it.

Sounds like a broke dick trying to look like a big shot, or a cheap bastard just trying to mooch/steal money.

NetHorse · 07-21-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage

Wow ... a 5 page thread over possibly $150.

Damn.

I don't care if it was over $5, this is fucking hilarious. Just the fact he stole a $500 poker chip out of his hand then fled the scene and boarded a plane is

. That's like something a meth/crackhead would do in the slums of Chicago.

I mean if he did it while being a drunken idiot then paid him back immediately it would've been a different story. After keeping the money for 2 years though!! LOL, he could NEVER redeem himself after doing something so ridiculous. If I were him I would just stop posting, (which it seems he has).

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-21-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

ADG, if you were in this thread at the very start he pulled the lowest of the low, I had to let it deleted cause I'm not interested to have facts about the death of beloved one on GFY, he's banned for that and it just shows how I used to "trust" him in the past, otherwise I'd never tell him.

I'm happy you're having fun and keep doing so, but some things in this thread are not entirely that funny I'm afraid.

I didn't realize that Dwreck was banned.

I wasn't really taking sides, as I wasn't there when the turn of events which precipitated all of this happened, and I don't know either of you well. I've met Dwreck in passing at a few shows, and I don't believe that you and I have met.

I have enjoyed many posts that both of you have made in the past. Beyond that, I have no horse in this race.

If, in the heat of the moment, Dwreck said something inappropriately about a lost loved one of yours, then I can empathize, having lost four loved ones myself in recent months (which is why I have been absent from GFY until the last week or so - I'm still dealing with my emotions/grief/depression).

I've lost far more money in this industry due to unscrupulous/conniving people than you can imagine (probably over $50,000). I tend to let it go, since I believe if I obsessed about it for more than a few months, it would be costing me more in terms of time-money, and stress, than it was worth.

I guess I understand why Deej and others are responding as much as they are (since Dwreck no longer has a voice in this thread).

Anyway, I wish you and Dwreck, and everyone else in this thread, love and peace...

With this (my Cliff Notes about this thread), I bid you and this thread adieu:

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

WARNING - Ending Spoiler below:

ADG

mgtarheels · 07-21-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

This was a bad thing. (See lazy cash, this is me saying Dwreck's action was bullshit) Note that!

But does it reflect the company? No, I dont think so as Dwreck was known and got his reputation and was involved in this incident far before he was even involved with his current employer.

Thats just common sense...

He did what he did out of retaliation for being called a thief, unrightfully so. Which is far worse than posting personal info. Ill lay money on the thought that we would replay that differently.

Common sense has nothing to do with how one's portrayed on this board.

Borrowing $500 and not paying back is a scammer, plain and simple.

I wouldn't want a scammer to be a point of contact for my business.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

He was unable to pay me back until I saw him eye to eye 8 months later and got some of my money back in cash

So if you keep someone's money you can keep tham as long as you wish? Is that what you're saying?

And If someone promises you to pay in January, in February, in March, in April, in May, in June, in July, and eventually you get the money in August, where does that put me?

Am I the wrong person that I want my money back, seriously?

not at all... i didnt say that, but there is no time limit without a contract. Thats why most states have a law instated that you cannot be imprisoned due to debt uncontracted, unless of course the debt is to the government. There are some ramifications in some instances, but sure as shit not this one. If Dwreck did say that each month, that would be irritating. you do have to remember though, This whole thing is your own stupid fucking fault. Do please admit some fault. Also remember Dwreck was unemployed during some of those months. Lip service sucks, but its what comes out of debts, right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

In retrospect if someone's unable to pay for 28 months until you call him out he IS a THIEF in my book,

"in retrospect" up until you somewhat recanted your statement on him being a thief when someone else spoke out against your skewed story was grounds for your own banning and far worse than relaying personal conversations. Its right under calling someone a pedo.

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

28 months shrinked into 20 minutes after I called him out - does that mean he couldn't pay the money before?

Do you really believe he couldn't pay me back? Or that he CHOSE not to pay me back?

Answer me

For part of the time yes i believe he couldnt, the times he probably could pay you some probably would have pickled him. Maybe, maybe not. DO i see him snubbing his finger at you with wads in the air making it rain on hoes? absolutely not.

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

He laughed at me all the way for 28 months, there's no such feeling like chasing someone for shitty $ 150 but I'm gonna do it, especially if it's a personal loan

If I lend someone money and he agrees to pay back, I expect him to pay back

As i see it even in your own words, this was nowhere near a personal loan. If anything you LOan sharked him. You made a pretty dumb mistake in the name of a joke... which i personally dont believe, I think you just made a really dumb move then chalked it up to a mistake.You then Demand it back. Which you do have a right to, but Its all very weird which your brushing off any blame for.

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I was patient enough to wait for 28 months, 28 months do you think I wanted to out him?

"payment plan" for $ 150 and his bullshit that he needs to pay "rent" and buying a macbook was the last straw, that was the spit in my face and I told myself fuck it I don't care what anyone thinks enough is enough

I dont care that you outed him... He apparently had it coming with all the dodging... but again my point is your bullshit skewed story and victim tears when you did just as much if not more damage when this is all intiated, every step of the way, by you.

Tell me where my logic is off on any of that...

will76 · 07-21-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Why not send the paypal today?

payday isn't till friday

will76 · 07-21-2010, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin

It's not always the easiest thing to leave a table to go chase after someone for a chip you think they are joking around with and will return. And during single deck it can fuck the other players and well, if you are doing good....

My question as many others - Why did you (Derek) take the chip in the first place? If you were ridiculously drunk, why did you not leave the chip in an envelope at the front desk for Carlos on your way to the airport?

This seems quite out of character for Derek.

shot in the dark... maybe a gambling problem. he went and used the $500 thinking he would win and then return it later that night. BUt instead lost it, and then just jet.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I didn't realize that Dwreck was banned.

I wasn't really taking sides, as I wasn't there when the turn of events which precipitated all of this happened, and I don't know either of you well. I've met Dwreck in passing at a few shows, and I don't believe that you and I have met.

I never made it to San Francisco, maybe we can have a chat about rock n roll and guitars and stuff someday

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I have enjoyed many posts that both of you have made in the past. Beyond that, I have no horse in this race.

If, in the heat of the moment, Dwreck said something inappropriately about a lost loved one of yours, then I can empathize, having lost four loved ones myself in recent months (which is why I have been absent from GFY until the last week or so - I'm still dealing with my emotions/grief/depression).

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I've lost far more money in this industry due to unscrupulous/conniving people than you can imagine (probably over $50,000). I tend to let it go, since I believe if I obsessed about it for more than a few months, it would be costing me more in terms of time-money, and stress, than it was worth.

Totally agree, money is not what triggered this, but there's only a certain level where someone can fuck with me, and at that point I don't care if it's over $ 5 or over $5k

Money is not the reason here, manners are

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I guess I understand why Deej and others are responding as much as they are (since Dwreck no longer has a voice in this thread).

I made the same mistake in the past, stood up for someone who I knew for years who turned out to be a scammer, lesson learned and I felt terrible afterwards

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Anyway, I wish you and Dwreck, and everyone else in this thread, love and peace...
With this (my Cliff Notes about this thread), I bid you and this thread adieu:
ADG

Thanks and stay strong

Deej · 07-21-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I guess I understand why Deej and others are responding as much as they are (since Dwreck no longer has a voice in this thread).

I'll just say that Dwreck hasnt asked me to post any of this and I havent even talked to him about it as he hasnt been online. Just in case people thought i was voicing for him. Everything Ive said is from me and from what ive read.

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

I understand why the court has that policy instated. So they dont waste their time for "potential" issues within friendships.

again read my words as Yes... I gave a tiny amount of biased nature... the small amount that gave me anough energy to continue writing in this thread on the subject, but not an ounce more.

I gave you an examples as to how much of my biased attitude went into my methods and actions here.

You just cant admit what im saying can you?

Ugh, this is extremely frustrating, I'm doing my very best to try and explain the concept to you and its just not working. There are no "small" amounts of bias, you either are or you aren't and by the very nature of your relationship with dwreck you have some and whether you are trying not to be is irrelevant. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion on the matter in this thread, I just took offense to your constant assertions that you were being unbiased. Oh well, lets just drop this.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Ugh, this is extremely frustrating, I'm doing my very best to try and explain the concept to you and its just not working. There are no "small" amounts of bias, you either are or you aren't and by the very nature of your relationship with dwreck you have some and whether you are trying not to be is irrelevant. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion on the matter in this thread, I just took offense to your constant assertions that you were being unbiased. Oh well, lets just drop this.

ok we can slightly agree on this statement although I do feel there are variations of bias.

Perhaps I am "bias" since i know him... But so did Carlos just as much if not more. All that dosnt detract any level of facts within my words. Maybe im arguing the wrong word with you. But then again i dont think I am. I think you may be a little wrong and a little stubborn.

Either way... you do agree with what Ive said? or am I wrong? besides the biased statements

Varius · 07-21-2010, 11:19 PM

I didn't even notice he got banned until this page...

Few additional comments:

1) When you donate the 150$, please do so to some type of animal shelter/program; humans get enough help they don't appreciate already. (I practice what I preach, btw; I am volunteering my time this weekend to wash, walk and play with plenty of dogs at the animal shelter as well as bring them food, bowls and beddings).

2) This has absolutely nothing to do with his employer. As Abbie said, how he spends his money after he receives it is not their concern; unless it affects his job (ie. he blows it in a drunken binge and doesn't show up to work, or pawns his car and can't get to work, etc...)

Of course, if this kind of thing would start coming out more often, to the point where people do actually not want to work with the program if he is employed there, then I think it may matter. It's far from that point, though, IMO.

3) If Dwreck kept giving him dates to expect the money, whether it was legitimately owed or the result of drunken memories, he should have paid by those dates. Otherwise, as I said before, you simply tell him you don't believe you owe him the money - or that you really can't afford it right now and will try and pay when you are able. For this I definitely have to side with Carlos. Being strung along is amateur-hour.

I would like to think I have a skill for reading people I meet, and not knowing Carlos well but having met him a few times, he seems like an honest guy. I think he's letting his ego and rage get the better of him here though; typing with his emotions, not his head.

Regardless, Dwreck was in the wrong and for making another bad decision, banned. Not much more to say in this thread.

07-21-2010, 09:39 PM	#206
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,510	1) if someone fucks with you for 28 months without paying back and you're ok with it I'm sorry for you 2) If you employ someone who needs a "payment plan" for $ 150 I'm sorry for you 3) I don't ever give anyone $ 500, no matter if I won that money on Black Jack, sorry I'm an old jew, I might have a sarcastic way of fucking with people when I'm drunk, and if they grab a chip from my hand I react the opposite what they'd think and watch their reaction, I'll give you credit for that, but that doesn't change anything on the fact that he a) kept the money b) promised to pay back the day after and it took me another 8 months to get the first money 4) someone obviously didn't mind keeping my money from January 2008 and constantly fucking with me, if you remember he even admitted he didn't pay in this thread - if that's not enough for you - troll on 5) If he likes to "avoid confrontation" he made a huge mistake fucking with me for 28 month, if you think it's funny to pull someone's leg I'm sorry for you, if it's ok in your book I'm sorry for youm only lowlifes and deadbeats do this, either you pay your debts or you're a deadbeat 6) I don't need the money - it's a question of principles Obviously, you have no principles yourself and only love to speculate like a bunch of smartasses or five grade kids that need bitchslapping Thank you, now troll on and stand for your buddy who fucks with people like a lowlife pimp __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year? Last edited by CarlosTheGaucho; 07-21-2010 at 09:48 PM..

07-21-2010, 09:44 PM	#207
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Never once did I say what he did wasnt wrong and that you should be fucked over it. I said you werent honest in your favor and its chicken shit to act the victim when in the beginning its your own fault. Especially when you dont need the money... right? I do believe you bent the truth and omitted the truth to makes yourself gleem in light. THATS the issue I have. NOT the fucking money. See I myself AM worried about the principle. Maybe I shouldnt be. But dont sit here and act like im sticking up for Dwreck. Im calling you both out for your bullshit. Feel sorry? Shit, Id feel way more sorry for people that do dumb shit and then blame others and even go as far as bullshitting the public in the name of principle. Now THATS irony. __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

07-21-2010, 10:06 PM	#215
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Wasn't sure which pic to post: OR... This drama falls far short of the Shoehorn vs Dirty D drama - unless there is more dirt that either of you can share... Don't Equivocate - Escalate!!! ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

07-21-2010, 10:15 PM	#221
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Good night GFY!!!! __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

07-21-2010, 10:27 PM	#225
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	OK maybe not goodnight... Dwreck was wrong, get that straight. however. yes how he got the chip does matter. If you did in fact push. then shit. at that point its his. You then want it back. now I dont know but maybe he didnt see it liek that as maybe he spent some and then found himself in a predicament after someone gave him that chip. But being thata nice and non confrontational person that Dwreck is.... that we ALL (even you im sure) know him to be. he says yea, Ill pay you back. Dwreck not being the baller that some are trying to say he has acted like... I dont think it was hey look you mother fuckers, look at my mac im such a fucking wheelin pimp... like say a cyberage dave lambo thread. It was mroe to me like a hey I made the transition and what do you all think, type of thread. Yes it would make me fume, but youre using that to inflate your story. Anyway... yes he didnt pay you back right away but you then shook him down next time you seen him in person. Now that again would tick me off even if I did owe you money. Debts are not to be paid back at YOUR will unless contracted. YOu got yourself into the situation and it seems you had more control over it than either of you. You did paint him to be a thief in the beginning UP until quagmire's post. I would say all of this the very same if you were just as much if not more of a friend... only difference would be it most likely would be in private. spitting in your face? come on. Thats you letting him say i cant pay you right now get to you. Did he really shake a 500 at you and laugh? i seriously doubt it. the post you replied to in quotes in #223 was all directed at lazycash, not you... __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

07-21-2010, 09:24 PM	#203
SallyRand So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! Posts: 3,487	Grab a $500 chip from me and I'll drop kick you through the goalposts of life! And Baby Jesus would smile! Sally.

07-21-2010, 10:01 PM	#213
Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Wow ... a 5 page thread over possibly $150. Damn.

07-21-2010, 10:36 PM	#229
Abbie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,004	Carlos, I am not Derek's mommy, I am his boss. What he does with his money after he's paid, is completely up to him. Derek's debt to you has nothing to do with us. I read most of the thread, got a lil bored though. In the end, what does his "employer" have to do with any of this? Esp since we didn't employ him in 2008 nor was he at this convention repping us back then. You all should hug.

07-21-2010, 10:40 PM	#230
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,090	So, why did Derek get banned?

07-21-2010, 11:19 PM	#250
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	I didn't even notice he got banned until this page... Few additional comments: 1) When you donate the 150$, please do so to some type of animal shelter/program; humans get enough help they don't appreciate already. (I practice what I preach, btw; I am volunteering my time this weekend to wash, walk and play with plenty of dogs at the animal shelter as well as bring them food, bowls and beddings). 2) This has absolutely nothing to do with his employer. As Abbie said, how he spends his money after he receives it is not their concern; unless it affects his job (ie. he blows it in a drunken binge and doesn't show up to work, or pawns his car and can't get to work, etc...) Of course, if this kind of thing would start coming out more often, to the point where people do actually not want to work with the program if he is employed there, then I think it may matter. It's far from that point, though, IMO. 3) If Dwreck kept giving him dates to expect the money, whether it was legitimately owed or the result of drunken memories, he should have paid by those dates. Otherwise, as I said before, you simply tell him you don't believe you owe him the money - or that you really can't afford it right now and will try and pay when you are able. For this I definitely have to side with Carlos. Being strung along is amateur-hour. I would like to think I have a skill for reading people I meet, and not knowing Carlos well but having met him a few times, he seems like an honest guy. I think he's letting his ego and rage get the better of him here though; typing with his emotions, not his head. Regardless, Dwreck was in the wrong and for making another bad decision, banned. Not much more to say in this thread. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail