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Old 08-07-2010, 08:01 AM   #51
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Conservatives especially should be all over this. They're always hollering for less regulation and more capitalism and free market and all that.... well then repeal prohibition
Unfortunately we've had "social conservatives" take over the Republican party the last couple of decades.

It's like everybody in the U.S. HATES having fun in anyway shape or form.

If you poll people it's overwhelmingly against drugs, prostitution, and gambling.

But yet, once the pollsters walk away? Well magically... MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of those same Americans DO exactly what they lied to the pollsters about.

It's too bad people won't just grow a fucking set and demand to be free. But the govt. has run a brilliant propaganda campaign for decades.

Problem is it backfires. They paint drugs as being this horrible horrible thing. And they try to teach kids that if they smoke pot they will end up ruining their lives and become addicted. And they teach them that they will die and become addicted the first time they snort coke.

Then when the kids do try it for the thrill...they find out that propaganda was all a bunch of lies and that it's FUN to get high.

I feel like the govt. should just get the fuck out of people's lives. Their laws don't stop anybody from doing drugs. And when I ask people who DON'T do drugs if they suddenly would start doing them if they became legal...most of them say "no".

Face facts folks...when I was a teenager we were all smoking pot by the 7th grade. That's what "cool" was back then.
Go to any nightclub...you want some coke? You can find it easily.

Legalizing these things won't make it "easier" to get. It's ALREADY easy as hell. Always has been and always will be. Legalizing it will just take away power from the govt. and give it back to you. And the govt. can still get their nut off of the taxes on it that they are losing out on to the drug cartels everyday.
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:28 AM   #52
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If the USSR could do it to keep people in the USA should be able to do it to keep them out.

People blaming Obama, what did Bush or any of the other Rep Presidents do about it?

Robbie if you think legalising pot will stop the drugs trafficking between US and Mexico you live in a dream world.
I couldn't care less about the drug smuggling for the puroses of this discussion; drug smuggling is not the issue but rather a Red Herring.

Why is Barack Hussein Obama being "blamed"?

He is doing nothing, in fact, worse than nothing, that's why! He is not only failing to enforce existing federal law but attempting to block states, i.e., THE PEOPLE from protecting themselves through STATE laws which merely reflect the FEDERAL LAWS under the guise of "protecting" the constitutional rights of the ILLEGALS!

Barack Hussein Obama is a socialist, dictatorial thug, intent on establishing TOTAL CONTROL of every aspect of the lives of THE PEOPLE and it is past time to stop HOPING for change and INSTITUTE change!

Failure to protect and defend the Constitution and enforce the laws of the United States of America are both violations of the oath of office and therefore IMPEACHABLE offenses. the process should begin forthwith.

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Old 08-07-2010, 08:31 AM   #53
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I couldn't care less about the drug smuggling for the puroses of this discussion; drug smuggling is not the issue but rather a Red Herring.

Why is Barack Hussein Obama being "blamed"?

He is doing nothing, in fact, worse than nothing, that's why! He is not only failing to enforce existing federal law but attempting to block states, i.e., THE PEOPLE from protecting themselves through STATE laws which merely reflect the FEDERAL LAWS under the guise of "protecting" the constitutional rights of the ILLEGALS!

Barack Hussein Obama is a socialist, dictatorial thug, intent on establishing TOTAL CONTROL of every aspect of the lives of THE PEOPLE and it is past time to stop HOPING for change and INSTITUTE change!

Failure to protect and defend the Constitution and enforce the laws of the United States of America are both violations of the oath of office and therefore IMPEACHABLE offenses. the process should begin forthwith.

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Barack Hussein Obama has deported more illegals than ever before in our history. You should be kissin' his hairy bean bag. Ease up on the paranoia, propaganda & fear mongering. It doesn't work here.
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Old 08-07-2010, 09:08 AM   #54
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Barack Hussein Obama has deported more illegals than ever before in our history. You should be kissin' his hairy bean bag. Ease up on the paranoia, propaganda & fear mongering. It doesn't work here.
"Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

- Mark Twain's Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review.

Case in point!

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/bord...f1b69d3c1.html

From the citation(Look closely for the numbers juggling!):

"Findings by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse show more illegal immigrants were removed from the United States during the first nine months of this fiscal year than during the same period in 2008, when Republican George W. Bush was president and controlled immigration enforcement.

The number of those ejected from the country between Oct. 1, 2009, and June 30 of this year is nearly twice as high as it was in the same period ending June 30, 2005.

The TRAC report also shows the Obama administration is devoting more resources to removing those who have committed serious crimes.

During the first nine months of the fiscal year, TRAC, using Immigration and Customs Enforcement data, figures 136,714 "criminal aliens" were deported. That same figure in 2008 was 85,334.

That was counterbalanced by a decrease in removals of non-criminal aliens. The figure for the first nine months of this fiscal year is 142,321, compared to 169,429 at the same time in 2008."

Of course, liberals are fond of half-truths!

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Old 08-07-2010, 09:12 AM   #55
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It'll definitely shut down the cartels smuggling pot.
They will then smuggle, Heroin, Speed, Es or what ever else is profitable. Stop buying it and they will stop smuggling it.

Freedom of choice is an illusion to keep people thinking they have freedom of choice.
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Old 08-07-2010, 09:40 AM   #56
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They will then smuggle, Heroin, Speed, Es or what ever else is profitable. Stop buying it and they will stop smuggling it.

Freedom of choice is an illusion to keep people thinking they have freedom of choice.
do you live in cali, az or anywhere near the border?
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:43 AM   #57
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They will then smuggle, Heroin, Speed, Es or what ever else is profitable. Stop buying it and they will stop smuggling it.

Freedom of choice is an illusion to keep people thinking they have freedom of choice.
I suffer no illusion anymore here in the United Police States. lol

The government doesn't even bother to pretend they don't control our every move.
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Sorry for the long copy-and-paste but I think it's important!

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/pear...mo_code=A727-1

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"Arizona Immigration Law Author: Failure to Enforce Law Impeachable Offense
Thursday, August 5, 2010 07:16 PM
By: Jim Meyers

State Sen. Russell Pearce, the chief architect of Arizona?s tough immigration law, tells Newsmax that the recent court ruling on the law was a ?huge win? for Americans fighting to stem the flow of illegal aliens in this country.

Pearce, a Republican who represents parts of suburban Phoenix, also says the law ?scares? the Obama administration because it will lead to the enforcement of immigration laws ? and agrees that Obama?s failure to enforce those laws is an ?impeachable? offense.

A highly decorated former law officer, Pearce crafted and co-sponsored Arizona SB1070, the immigration bill that was passed in April. Federal Judge Susan Bolton blocked some of the most controversial parts of the legislation, but Pearce remains cheered by the results.

It?s been a long battle,? he says. ?I prepared for the fistfight. I knew it was coming, getting sued by the open border crowd, the left-wing folks who fight you on any effort to enforce the law. So I knew what was coming.

?But we won. It?s a huge win. We won everything we really needed to win.

?The main thrust of 1070 was [against] sanctuary policies? that restrict the enforcement of immigration laws in certain jurisdictions. ?They?re actually illegal under federal law. But [federal officials] don?t sue them, they sue Arizona because we decide to enforce the law.

?The other parts that she blocked temporarily were important tools, but what did go into effect, people need to understand, is that sanctuary policies in the state of Arizona are now illegal. She didn?t block that piece. So law enforcement may enforce the federal law to the fullest extent of the law.

?And if they don?t, we the people will sue government ? that?s also in the bill. If they block or interfere or limit the enforcement of these laws in any manner, we will sue.

?The other piece that stayed in there is on day laborer issues. It?s a felony to hire them. We?re going to stop the hiring of illegal aliens that take a job from Americans. If you pick up an illegal alien day laborer, you?re going to go to jail. Your car is going to be impounded for 30 days, mandatory. So some significant pieces are still in effect and are huge in this bill.

?This law has teeth. That?s what scares people. That scares the Obama administration, which has a non-enforcement policy.?

Pearce was asked how he reacted to Sarah Palin?s comment that Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer ?has the cojones that our president doesn?t have.?

?I reacted very well to that comment,? he tells Newsmax. ?I appreciate the governor?s vigilance in defense of the bill.

?During the debate over 1070, a good friend of mine was murdered ? right after [Janet] Napolitano, your Homeland Security director, said the border is more secure than ever. Simply not true.

?Fifteen Phoenix police officers, just to pick on Phoenix, were murdered or maimed at the hands of illegal aliens. Enough is enough. We spend $2.7 billion a year in Arizona to educate, medicate, and incarcerate. It?s the citizens that pay the price for this illegal alien invasion that can no longer be ignored.?

Pearce cited one Arizona family that has been terrorized by illegal aliens who come across the border, suffering ?18 burglaries, three home invasions, multiple vehicles stolen. At night they hear a noise outside and they pray for daylight. They have their doors boarded, their windows boarded. And we have a federal government that stands by and thinks that?s O.K., that?s just collateral damage as they move forward with their agenda of amnesty. Enough is enough.?

Pearce says he is encouraged by other states that are following in Arizona?s footsteps and seeking to pass immigration legislation.

?Over 20 states are going to model legislation after 1070, so I?m extremely encouraged. In fact, I?ve talked to 34 states that would like to do it but don?t have a legislature or governor that would sign a bill.

?That?s what scares the Obama administration. They?re not worried about profiling. They?re not worried about anything but enforcement. What scares them is the fact that the laws are actually going to be enforced.?

He says the administration is worried about enforcement for two political reasons.

?First of all you have the open border anarchists who want to change the political makeup of America, and that?s through change in the demographics. Their best hope is open borders.

?Then you?ve got the other side, the corporate oligarchy, the profits-over-patriotism crowd. They want cheap labor. They don?t care what the cost is to America, and they have a stranglehold on Washington D.C., while 70 to 80 percent of Americans say close the borders, enforce the law.?

Pearce agrees with South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham that the policy established by the 14th Amendment ? that anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen ? needs to be changed because it was never intended to be applied to aliens.

Sen. Jon Kyl says that when he asked President Obama to secure the border, Obama?s response was that if he did, it would remove the incentive for Republicans to negotiate on comprehensive immigration reform. Former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo has called the refusal to enforce the law an impeachable offense. Pearce was asked if he agrees.

?Absolutely,? he declares.

?Five to ten thousand folks come across that border daily, and what?s coming across ? 20 percent have criminal convictions ? are gang members, drug smugglers, human smugglers, child molesters, rapists. It?s an invasion. It?s in violation of the Constitution. Yes, it?s impeachable. He not only neglects to do it, now he?s refusing to do it. It?s impeachable.?

As for reports that a Mexican drug cartel has placed a $1 million bounty on the head of tough Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Pearce says ?the silence is almost deafening from Washington, D.C.?
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I suffer no illusion anymore here in the United Police States. lol

The government doesn't even bother to pretend they don't control our every move.
Imagine a country with no Government controls.

It's not sensible to just pick and choose the ones you like because the next person will pick other ones. The result is anarchy.
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Imagine a country with no Government controls.

It's not sensible to just pick and choose the ones you like because the next person will pick other ones. The result is anarchy.
I do. It was called The United States Of America back in the beginning of our country.

The govt. was designed to SERVE the people and provide for the common defense. NOT control our PERSONAL lives and tell us what we can read, write, see, say, and even put in our own bodies. Wake up and stop spouting that bullshit propaganda.

Anarchy is what we've all been told here in the U.S. would happen if prostitution and pot were legal. There would be hookers on every god-fearing wholesome neighborhood and marijuana would destroy us.

Funny, I went to Amsterdam and it was great.

Fuck the govt. and their lies.

They should do THEIR JOB. And stay OUT of people's personal lives. It's called FREEDOM, not anarchy. And no, I'm not saying let people rob and steal and rape. It's just common fucking sense to make those things illegal and have a police force to keep the peace.

But we have now given cops the right to yank our ass over, search your wife's purse, tell you to shut the fuck up if you ask them "why" they are doing this, and pretty much do any goddamn thing that they want to you on the spot.

Sure, if you have some money you can get an attorney AFTER the fact and do something about it. But in the meantime you've been abused beyond belief. Trust me on this. I have several family members in law enforcement (including my mom, 3 cousins, and a stepbrother) and they LIVE to fuck with people.
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