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jerryb · 09-10-2010, 09:40 AM

I've also always wondered why, with so many sponsors with the $100 minimum payout, you end up getting to 85-95 dollars ... THEN NADA for months on end.

You wouldn't think it's possible that because you aren't a WHALE in sending hits their plan is to keep the 85-95 dollars and then some how, with a fancy script, re-direct your traffic to a 'we're selling hits - just name your fetish' - only 1.00 per 1000.

Been my suspicion for a few years.

tony286 · 09-10-2010, 09:59 AM

The car business in the usa there were originally has 200 companies building cars in America.Now there are three. Also it seems alot of the sponsors that went bye were in the card banging biz not the porn biz.

Paul Markham · 09-10-2010, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

maybe for your shitty content, but i know many programs still rebilling on the same cycles as many years ago. god you really are out of touch.

My shitty content was often making up to 10 times what programs were paying for exclusive content. Without a single sale on the Internet. And there's your problem. Sponsors spent so much to get a sale, they squeezed the price they paid for content. Name the Custom Shooters making $3,000 from a single set without a video and still own that set if you disagree. Not bad for someone shooting shitty content.

Even Twistys don't pay t$3,000 a set. And that's why good shooters never turned to the Internet until they had nothing else.

My argument isn't that traffic isn't important, it is and only fools accuse me of saying other wise. My argument is that we spent too much getting it and left the customers needs behind. The level of innovation, imagination, uniqueness and porn quality in content creation is poor. So why would anyone want 30 days recurring of that stuff. Unless he had to.

And you can't base an industry on that.

quiet · 09-10-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Deja vu. I think I've read this same thread six times since 1996.

more like 100. traffic easy to get. LOLOLOL.

quiet · 09-10-2010, 10:10 AM

and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

Redrob · 09-10-2010, 10:12 AM

.XXX passing and having to pay $60 per domain for the pleasure of being "responsible."

Send in you email to ICANN now showing your support for FSC's position. Don't be afraid if you name is already on the .xxx registry list. Everybody's is. Protecting your domains is ok.

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Originally Posted by Redrob

<A convenient copy and paste letter for your convenience. Be sure to change the color of your text if needed.>

Email to>[email protected]

Dear ICANN,

I am a member of the .XXX sTLD sponsored community. I do not support ICM's application for the .XXX sTLD.

I request that ICANN does the following:
1. Verify that companies which ICM has listed in support are viable adult businesses,
2. Verify that companies listed in support in fact do support ICM?s current application for a .XXX sTLD,
3. Determine how many pre-registrations claimed by ICM are in fact defensive registrations,
4. Determine how many pre-registrations are registrars or companies hoping to re-sell domain names.

Additionally, I also request the following information also be released as requested in the DIDP from the FSC:
1. The list of the IFFOR Board members;
2. The list of proposed members of the Policy Council;
3. IFFOR?s Business Plan/Financials;
4. Business Plan/Financials Years 1-5 utilizing 125,000 Initial Registrations;
5. The list of .XXX sTLD pre-registrants who have been identified to ICANN;
6. ICM?s Proof of Sponsorship Community Support as submitted to ICANN.

<INSERT ADDITIONAL PERSONAL COMMENTS and email to>[email protected]

Stephen · 09-10-2010, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

2010 is just the start. 2011 is going to be worse.

Sadly, agreed.

Adult has a bright future. Just not for a lot of the folks in it today

Paul Markham · 09-10-2010, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet

traffic easy to get. LOLOLOL.

Tubes proved how easy it was. The problem was getting enough traffic to get a sale and what it cost to get that traffic. How many took one look at your site and went away?

And you were one of the successful ones.

RAM · 09-10-2010, 10:16 AM

The world has been ending since it began, you have been dieing since you were born !

Hang in there and this to shall pass

The Trash Heap · 09-10-2010, 10:19 AM

I'm doing awesome. Sign ups are steady, rebills are good. I love 2010!

Looks like you people are doing something wrong.

MaDalton · 09-10-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by holograph

a lot of these other 60% have epass as only aval. option for them being able to conduct online biz. for instance getting and cashing western checks in Eastern Europe i imagine costly and timely procedure and probably in many other countries around the globe.

not sure what you consider Eastern Europe but here in CZ it's no problem. it's just that it's really old fashioned and a hassle to run to the bank when you usually can do everything online

JP-pornshooter · 09-10-2010, 10:34 AM

well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.
however adult is a different animal altogether, Shap mentions a turning point, which i think is very optimistic, i doubt there is a turning point... it is a slide.
look at it this way, those who got into adult in 2001 had huge opportunities, made loads of bank, those who got in in 2006 still had very good money making opportunities, and even in 2010 it is easier to make money in adult compared to any other (legal) industry.
If the adult community cant get together and control the content/piracy/free content then in a few years the industry will consist of perhaps 3 or 4 very large entities and i dont believe they will give a shit about affiliates...

Shap · 09-10-2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Maybe Twistys needs to diversify...people must be tired of mannequin porn

Twistys is doing fine. We have built up a very loyal following and have carved out a little niche that we seem to own. I think our dedication to our members is the main reason for it.

GayTube is doing record revenue month after month.

Business is good for us. It's losing money that is mine that pisses me off real bad.

Shap · 09-10-2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet

and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

LOL I agree with that except somehow I got the girl first lol

Shap · 09-10-2010, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.
however adult is a different animal altogether, Shap mentions a turning point, which i think is very optimistic, i doubt there is a turning point... it is a slide.
look at it this way, those who got into adult in 2001 had huge opportunities, made loads of bank, those who got in in 2006 still had very good money making opportunities, and even in 2010 it is easier to make money in adult compared to any other (legal) industry.
If the adult community cant get together and control the content/piracy/free content then in a few years the industry will consist of perhaps 3 or 4 very large entities and i dont believe they will give a shit about affiliates...

I don't feel the economy has improved at all.

Captcha · 09-10-2010, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

You know I think 2010 = the beginning of the storm. And 2011 is when the Cat 5 Hurricane hits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

absolutely.

i've been saying this since '07 or '08.... the bad times are here until at least 2015.

for me its Ok, whatever.... the world ends in 2012

Paul Markham · 09-10-2010, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet

and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

And when did you start and when did you get out?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

look at it this way, those who got into adult in 2001 had huge opportunities, made loads of bank, those who got in in 2006 still had very good money making opportunities,

Anyone who made millions starting in 2001 would be lucky and talented to survive a year today. Up until a couple of years ago traffic was still easy to get and in many cases was increasing. What was sliding was sales. In the last 2 years even traffic has fallen.

Falling traffic x falling sales = 2010

J. Falcon · 09-10-2010, 11:11 AM

Crisis = Opportunity

Socks · 09-10-2010, 11:20 AM

quiet · 09-10-2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And when did you start and when did you get out?

Anyone who made millions starting in 2001 would be lucky and talented to survive a year today. Up until a couple of years ago traffic was still easy to get and in many cases was increasing. What was sliding was sales. In the last 2 years even traffic has fallen.

Falling traffic x falling sales = 2010

started in 96, worked 100 hours a week all the way till 2005. and i still push traffic, to this day, and make good money from it (not that i need it). auto pilot baby.

HorseShit · 09-10-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

webmasterchecks and epass were a huge hit to the industry, it almost seems like the government is trying to regulate us out or business by going after the money instead of the content.

Not almost. They are. Big difference.
Governments are going after offshore, tax evasion, anonymous debitcards/creditcards.
So they MAKE Visa and banks do shit like this most likely.

Netherlands in on USA's whitelist. Curacao in Dutch Antilles is now independant.... Fortis (a former Belgian bank) will merge this weekend with ABNAMRO bank. ABNAMRO is owned by the Dutch government. Holland have a tax treaty with USA and EU governments agreed to give all bank info to US that they request. ACTA is being build by 20+ goverments to come up with new laws for the internet and how to regulate it better and tax it.

Now everyone will give their bank details and passports and money will arrive thru banks because people are scared and react in fear. Goverments ask banks to report any wires coming in from epass. Bingo.

Hope I am wrong.

SomeCreep · 09-10-2010, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

2010 Has Turned out to be WAY Worse for the industry than I expected. What's next?

The only constant in life is change. So what's next? Change.

Supz · 09-10-2010, 11:43 AM

I guess I could say as far as the payout method is concerned, I live in the US. So I get checks and deposit them. I would never rely on an outside system like epass to get my money. Just by reading this board for the last few years I see a lot of the bad comes from these financial companies.

As far as sponsors are concerned. You do have to test the waters with sponsors to see how your traffic is working, but I think people should try to stick with a smaller base of companies that have been around for a while and pay all the time (not including CCBill sponsors). It costs more money now to start a new business and run it then it ever has in the past. Companies who have been around for longer already have there investments covered. But I guess at the rate things are going now, you never know who is going to close shop. I know as long as I keep building more sites and putting more content out there. My traffic will still grow and no matter what. Traffic is still king. You may night be getting as many paysite affiliate sales. But you do have the traffic and have to find other way to monetize it.

will76 · 09-10-2010, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

2010 has been really crazy. I knew things would be rough but I don't think anybody expected things to get as crazy and bad as they have.

Money that is earned and owed is VANISHING in thin air.
- Sponsors are closing up shop and not paying out the last amounts owed.
- Webmaster Checks gets accounts frozen. Sponsors still have not received a penny of their own money back from Webmaster Checks.
- Epassorte

Before this Epass situation I had already been screwed for more in 2010 than all of my 14 years in adult COMBINED! This shit is crazy and I know it's only the tip of the iceberg. We are nowhere near the turning point imo.

I'm taking this epassporte situation as a HUGE Wake Up Call. We run a tight ship here but I'm going to tighten things up even more. Going to really be careful with who I do business with and that includes sponsors, affiliates, billers, whatever.

Have recent events changed how you are going to run your business moving forward?

What's next is 2011...

It will get even worse. Next year most people will be thinking 2010 wasn't that bad. Just like people now are looking back to 2009 and 2008 and reminiscing...

"recent events" has prevented people from going forward. I see a huge purge of people from this industry over the nxt couple years, which will be good for those of us who stick it out.

Shap, you are pretty well insulated with your good tube names/sites. You have in house traffic and can sell ads, promote your own sites, be a cams and dating affiliate etc... with little to no cost to you. 9 out of 10 other companies don't have that, if you see how your income sales are going, most other companies are 10x worst off.

Rename the porn business to " the last man standing ".

Paul Markham · 09-10-2010, 11:59 AM

This is why I do not believe the answer is in traffic.

Getting traffic has nearly always meant putting up more free content. Now we are competing with 10 or so major Tubes giving away full scenes. To compete at that level are we to give away even more free full length scenes?

If your only answer is yes, you're running into a brick wall. Because one of the reasons sales are falling is TOO MUCH free content on the Internet. Adding to it will mean the surfer has even more options to NOT BUY.

We need to convert more of the traffic we have, not give the surfer less reasons to buy.

Shap · 09-10-2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

What's next is 2011...

It will get even worse. Next year most people will be thinking 2010 wasn't that bad. Just like people now are looking back to 2009 and 2008 and reminiscing...

"recent events" has prevented people from going forward. I see a huge purge of people from this industry over the nxt couple years, which will be good for those of us who stick it out.

Shap, you are pretty well insulated with your good tube names/sites. You have in house traffic and can sell ads, promote your own sites, be a cams and dating affiliate etc... with little to no cost to you. 9 out of 10 other companies don't have that, if you see how your income sales are going, most other companies are 10x worst off.

Rename the porn business to " the last man standing ".

I know. We've been talking to a lot of companies that are close to us and they've been telling me how they are doing and it's scary. I see how segments of our business are doing and it isn't pretty.

Far-L · 09-10-2010, 12:22 PM

"There is great chaos underneath the Heavens and opportunities abound" - think that one was a Lao Tzu nugget but my memory may fail me there

And Sun Tzu offered this choice one...

"Victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating by in the river"

Shap - please email me when you have a chance, timlake a homgrownvideo d com.

Shap · 09-10-2010, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L

"There is great chaos underneath the Heavens and opportunities abound" - think that one was a Lao Tzu nugget but my memory may fail me there

And Sun Tzu offered this choice one...

"Victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating by in the river"

Shap - please email me when you have a chance, timlake a homgrownvideo d com.

Got the email. My work week got derailed this week. I'll get back to you

PenisFace · 09-10-2010, 01:34 PM

I don't mind the shrinking of the affiliate industry, really. I don't get as much writing work, but the people I get it from are the people who really stick with it and are doing well. It's nice because the people I'm writing for know what they are doing and what they want, which makes my life much easier

Shap · 09-10-2010, 01:35 PM

Oddly enough I think the sponsor pool is shrinking much faster than the affiliate pool is.

Far-L · 09-10-2010, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Got the email. My work week got derailed this week. I'll get back to you

Cool, thanks!

More Lao Tzu...

?Be careful what you water your dreams with. Water them with worry and fear and you will produce weeds that choke the life from your dream. Water them with optimism and solutions and you will cultivate success. Always be on the lookout for ways to turn a problem into an opportunity for success. Always be on the lookout for ways to nurture your dream.?

vicki · 09-10-2010, 02:22 PM

I think it's time to take a step back and look to old school. Although 90% of my banks haven't had issues, it's clear the 'offshore' banks are double dealing and Visa is pounding them hard for it. Quite frankly they (the bank's) should and DO know better, they're just straight up greedy.

anyhooo, having said that, there are still some very solid solutions available (and will continue to be available) outside the current & forcasted storms.

just my years of dealing with international banks speaking : )

DaddyHalbucks · 09-10-2010, 02:55 PM

Hope and change.

Far-L · 09-10-2010, 03:52 PM

Lao Tzu just tends to have the best stuff for these occassions... "As the soft yield of water cleaves obstinate stone, So to yield with life solves the insolvable: To yield, I have learned, is to come back again"

As of today, that is going to become a Homegrown Video company mantra, along with "sex is food, people have to eat" which I came up with on my own.

To follow that food analogy, look at grocers, which used to be largely mom and pop establishments but that has long ago given way to large controlling brand conscious supermarkets... and small niche specialty shops. If any of you think making a living on the margins left in adult is difficult you should look at how slim the margins are in the grocery business.

Ethersync · 09-10-2010, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.

I stopped reading here. You are wrong. Could not be more wrong.

brassmonkey · 09-10-2010, 04:13 PM

kissing booth franchise

Alprazolam · 09-10-2010, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Oddly enough I think the sponsor pool is shrinking much faster than the affiliate pool is.

lots less sponsors. easier to notice.

affiliate pool is shrinking like mad too.

webgurl · 09-10-2010, 04:56 PM

lol what a depressing thread ..... makes me laugh but sad at same time <sigh>

WiredGuy · 09-10-2010, 05:02 PM

I think this year will clearly show who is surviving paycheck to paycheck and who has retained earnings that can absorb some large hits like we've been seeing. Good luck to all our survival!
WG

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 09-10-2010, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Yeah for sure. I was just listing what has personally hit me.

I saw that vid in your sig the other day, I'm still laughing my ass off. i revisit it regularly for more... :!orglaugh

WiredGuy · 09-10-2010, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet

and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

Got 3/4 taken care of ;)
WG

The Trash Heap · 09-10-2010, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is why I do not believe the answer is in traffic.

Well, because of everything YOU believe you are doing 2 signups a day. Maybe it's time to start listening to other people.

JP-pornshooter · 09-10-2010, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter View Post
well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethersync

I stopped reading here. You are wrong. Could not be more wrong.

i happen to have a finger in the global economy, not that i can change anything but believe me, the economy is rebounding. soon the price of oil will start increasing..

Major (Tom) · 09-10-2010, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

2010 has been really crazy. I knew things would be rough but I don't think anybody expected things to get as crazy and bad as they have.

Money that is earned and owed is VANISHING in thin air.
- Sponsors are closing up shop and not paying out the last amounts owed.
- Webmaster Checks gets accounts frozen. Sponsors still have not received a penny of their own money back from Webmaster Checks.
- Epassorte

Before this Epass situation I had already been screwed for more in 2010 than all of my 14 years in adult COMBINED! This shit is crazy and I know it's only the tip of the iceberg. We are nowhere near the turning point imo.

I'm taking this epassporte situation as a HUGE Wake Up Call. We run a tight ship here but I'm going to tighten things up even more. Going to really be careful with who I do business with and that includes sponsors, affiliates, billers, whatever.

Have recent events changed how you are going to run your business moving forward?

TBH, we just got back to our peak which was the end of 08 and things are picking up even past that. This month should be our best ever and it's a 30 day month. The graph looks good. I'm excited and am eager for 2011
Duke

Major (Tom) · 09-10-2010, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

what's scary is contacting all these epass affiliates and telling them they need to change to another payment method in order to get paid and seeing only like 40% of them give a shit and change.

yea thats odd. I'm with you there
ds

Si · 09-10-2010, 05:41 PM

I would love to see what the results of these kind of threads would be for other industries.
And I Wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that almost every business in the world is shitting itself right now.

The world has never seen such a big rise in the economy and such a big fall in this small space of time.

I would say we are going through a period of calm and things will gradually continue upwards afterwards. Stay put and be reserved.

Major (Tom) · 09-10-2010, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Oddly enough I think the sponsor pool is shrinking much faster than the affiliate pool is.

That's a good thing.
ds

IllTestYourGirls · 09-10-2010, 05:45 PM

Traffic is god.

LeivaMedia · 09-10-2010, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

You know I think 2010 = the beginning of the storm. And 2011 is when the Cat 5 Hurricane hits.

I think the hurricanes start early look this incredible http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/986560-aw-fuck-runnin-godaddy-sale.html

nikki99 · 09-10-2010, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

2010 is just the start. 2011 is going to be worse. Bookmark that statement.

been reading this shit for the last 7 years

09-10-2010, 09:40 AM	#51
jerryb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Saginaw, Michigan USA Posts: 588	I've also always wondered why, with so many sponsors with the $100 minimum payout, you end up getting to 85-95 dollars ... THEN NADA for months on end. You wouldn't think it's possible that because you aren't a WHALE in sending hits their plan is to keep the 85-95 dollars and then some how, with a fancy script, re-direct your traffic to a 'we're selling hits - just name your fetish' - only 1.00 per 1000. Been my suspicion for a few years. __________________ - - Hot Phone Sex and Porn Search Engine Webmaster Opportunities Crazy Ernies Blog

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09-10-2010, 10:34 AM	#62
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	well here is a reality check.. the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak. however adult is a different animal altogether, Shap mentions a turning point, which i think is very optimistic, i doubt there is a turning point... it is a slide. look at it this way, those who got into adult in 2001 had huge opportunities, made loads of bank, those who got in in 2006 still had very good money making opportunities, and even in 2010 it is easier to make money in adult compared to any other (legal) industry. If the adult community cant get together and control the content/piracy/free content then in a few years the industry will consist of perhaps 3 or 4 very large entities and i dont believe they will give a shit about affiliates... __________________ "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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09-10-2010, 11:59 AM	#75
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	This is why I do not believe the answer is in traffic. Getting traffic has nearly always meant putting up more free content. Now we are competing with 10 or so major Tubes giving away full scenes. To compete at that level are we to give away even more free full length scenes? If your only answer is yes, you're running into a brick wall. Because one of the reasons sales are falling is TOO MUCH free content on the Internet. Adding to it will mean the surfer has even more options to NOT BUY. We need to convert more of the traffic we have, not give the surfer less reasons to buy. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	The car business in the usa there were originally has 200 companies building cars in America.Now there are three. Also it seems alot of the sponsors that went bye were in the card banging biz not the porn biz.

09-10-2010, 10:10 AM	#55
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

09-10-2010, 10:19 AM	#60
The Trash Heap So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 127	I'm doing awesome. Sign ups are steady, rebills are good. I love 2010! Looks like you people are doing something wrong.

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09-10-2010, 11:43 AM	#73
Supz Arthur Flegenheimer Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 11,056	I guess I could say as far as the payout method is concerned, I live in the US. So I get checks and deposit them. I would never rely on an outside system like epass to get my money. Just by reading this board for the last few years I see a lot of the bad comes from these financial companies. As far as sponsors are concerned. You do have to test the waters with sponsors to see how your traffic is working, but I think people should try to stick with a smaller base of companies that have been around for a while and pay all the time (not including CCBill sponsors). It costs more money now to start a new business and run it then it ever has in the past. Companies who have been around for longer already have there investments covered. But I guess at the rate things are going now, you never know who is going to close shop. I know as long as I keep building more sites and putting more content out there. My traffic will still grow and no matter what. Traffic is still king. You may night be getting as many paysite affiliate sales. But you do have the traffic and have to find other way to monetize it.

09-10-2010, 12:22 PM	#77
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Homegrown Video's loves amateur porn and this sagely chinese proverb "There is great chaos underneath the Heavens and opportunities abound" - think that one was a Lao Tzu nugget but my memory may fail me there And Sun Tzu offered this choice one... "Victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating by in the river" Shap - please email me when you have a chance, timlake a homgrownvideo d com. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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PenisFace Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,774	I don't mind the shrinking of the affiliate industry, really. I don't get as much writing work, but the people I get it from are the people who really stick with it and are doing well. It's nice because the people I'm writing for know what they are doing and what they want, which makes my life much easier __________________ Need custom blog posts or articles? Hit me up: Blog And Article Writer Yes, I can do any kind of custom orders, too! ICQ: 641204000

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Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Oddly enough I think the sponsor pool is shrinking much faster than the affiliate pool is.

09-10-2010, 02:22 PM	#82
vicki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Deep in the heart o' Texas Posts: 1,478	I think it's time to take a step back and look to old school. Although 90% of my banks haven't had issues, it's clear the 'offshore' banks are double dealing and Visa is pounding them hard for it. Quite frankly they (the bank's) should and DO know better, they're just straight up greedy. anyhooo, having said that, there are still some very solid solutions available (and will continue to be available) outside the current & forcasted storms. just my years of dealing with international banks speaking : ) __________________ If at first you do succeed - try to hide your astonishment. HR merchant accounts from 3.45% solid biz since 98 victoriakozub AT gmail.com skype: victoria.kozub \| ICQ: 74296746

09-10-2010, 02:55 PM	#83
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Hope and change. __________________ Boner Money

09-10-2010, 03:52 PM	#84
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	homegrown video, sex is food people have to eat Lao Tzu just tends to have the best stuff for these occassions... "As the soft yield of water cleaves obstinate stone, So to yield with life solves the insolvable: To yield, I have learned, is to come back again" As of today, that is going to become a Homegrown Video company mantra, along with "sex is food, people have to eat" which I came up with on my own. To follow that food analogy, look at grocers, which used to be largely mom and pop establishments but that has long ago given way to large controlling brand conscious supermarkets... and small niche specialty shops. If any of you think making a living on the margins left in adult is difficult you should look at how slim the margins are in the grocery business. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

09-10-2010, 04:13 PM	#86
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,049	kissing booth franchise __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

09-10-2010, 04:56 PM	#88
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,951	lol what a depressing thread ..... makes me laugh but sad at same time <sigh>

09-10-2010, 05:02 PM	#89
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,457	I think this year will clearly show who is surviving paycheck to paycheck and who has retained earnings that can absorb some large hits like we've been seeing. Good luck to all our survival! WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-10-2010, 05:41 PM	#96
Si Such Fun! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,900	I would love to see what the results of these kind of threads would be for other industries. And I Wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that almost every business in the world is shitting itself right now. The world has never seen such a big rise in the economy and such a big fall in this small space of time. I would say we are going through a period of calm and things will gradually continue upwards afterwards. Stay put and be reserved.

09-10-2010, 05:45 PM	#98
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	Traffic is god. __________________