Originally Posted by BFT3K

You hate Obama, you hate the Democrats, so YOU should be able to explain the GOP's new plan to fix America to us, otherwise YOU should just STFU.

Originally Posted by The Demon

More emotional bullshit to cover the fact that your argument keeps getting destroyed.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Start at the beginning of this post. If you have anything intelligent to add, then debate the 10 points that were laid out. Otherwise get a life!

Originally Posted by BFT3K

You are doing the same thing.

Please lay out the REALISTIC fixes for us. I'm all ears.

By realistic, I mean just that.

Originally Posted by joshgirls

Our entire problem can be found written on the back of the iphone: "designed in USA, made in china"

Our ruling class, CEOS & the politicians, need to go nationalist, destroy the globalism business model & return jobs back to america. That means big fat tariffs on foreign goods & services.

Its repugnant that all our major beermakers are now owned by foreign corporations. That its impossible to buy a toy, or clothing, or a computer, made in the USA.

American workers are competing with $1/hour in 3rd world countries thanks to globalism. Time to get off the free trade wagon & start building american products for american consumers.

It might help also if american parents would make their children put aside the mcdonalds & video games & educate themselves for a higher tech economy. But that may be asking too much.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Hey Vendzilla and Gouge,

Please explain the GOP's new plan to fix America. Misdirection and snide remarks aside, please tell us what the big GOP/Tea Party plan is, that is so fucking great.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Start at the beginning of this post. If you have anything intelligent to add, then debate the 10 points that were laid out. Otherwise get a life!

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Whats Obama's?

Originally Posted by joshgirls

i know. its unlikely we'll ever return to a manufacturing economy. Globalism benefits the CEOS & the politicians so they will never go nationalist. Our economy is now built around the food, entertainment, & banking industries. Everything else is made overseas.

Originally Posted by The Demon

Shit, you've just called BFT3K's bluff. Watch the emotional outbursts and misdirection pouring in.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

No bluff was called. What happened was a question was ignored.

But as you are a solid block of ignorance, you didn't notice that part.

Originally Posted by The Demon

Hence the economic collapse.

Oh btw, you guys won't see BFT3K back. Too many people have produced facts that will simply make his head explode.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

No facts were produced, just more misdirection.

If any of you Obama haters want to add something intelligent to this post, which I began, and all of you jumped into, then start by disputing the original 10 points that were laid out, and stop redirecting the discussion.

Originally Posted by The Demon

Wow, you are so incredibly predictable.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

You predicted that I would not return, and then you "predictably" made yet another attempt at misdirection.

You are an ass clown.

Originally Posted by The Demon

Once again, too easy.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Too easy to avoid a discussion.

Too easy to simply hurl insults.

Too easy for you to be this board's number one troll.

Originally Posted by joshgirls

the problem with retorting your original post is that its based on an obscure political blog that presents information fox news style from the left. You attack & attack fox noise but your own source of political information is hopelessly partisan itself.
As far as i can tell, the republicans aren't offering anything substantial to steer our economy in the right direction. They promise spending cuts but never never never get specific. So i can't really go to bat for the repubs. But trying to retort a warped presentation of what republicans will do is a folly. I may as well analyze Colberts "keep fear alive" rally because thats just as substantial as your political blog.

Originally Posted by The Demon

Hence the economic collapse.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

So you are suggesting that the Teapublicans are NOT for the 10 original points stated at the start of this thread?

They do not want to repeal the healthcare bill, they do not want to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, they do not want to repeal Wall Street reform, etc?

Wow, that is big news! I guess there is no difference between the 2 sides then afterall. Thanks for sorting all of that out for us!

Originally Posted by marketsmart

do you and vendzilla actually think the republicans are going to fix anything?

and even if congress changes power, what do you think will be accomplished?

i will tell you, nothing...

but, the teabaggers will just really hone in on obama and blame him until we get a republican in the white house..

and then all the democrats will be running around in some new clever organization like the teabaggers..

and 4 more years are wasted and we still have the same problems and the same arguments..

what i always find interesting about these topics are how heated and emotional they get..

what i find more interesting is all the name calling and not much in the offering of solutions..

both sides attack each other and try to destroy the other credibility very similar to what the two parties do to each other..

so, by default, anyone who calls another person stupid instead of responding with any kind of intelligent response is really the ignorant one.

there is no perfect fix for a world that is run by human beings because human beings are not perfect..

in fact human beings are evil, greedy, and vile creatures by design..

i have given up on the hope that the govt is ever going to serve anyone else but themselves and corporate interests..

i am ok with that since i have now adopted the philosophy that i am going to be just like the govt. i am going to look out for my best interests and my best interests only...

so have fun with these threads, they accomplish nothing...


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Originally Posted by joshgirls

do you actually believe these republicans will close the depts of energy, education, & the EPA as your blog source states? Do you understand the premise of your post is the same low level partisan nonsense that the right wing hurls at the left?

Honestly nobody knows what either party will DO when they get power. They both SAY they will do things. then they dont happen. Remember Obamas 90 day freeze on foreclosures? came straight out of his mouth on his video intro before his convention speech.

When will you understand that neither party is your friend. & singling out 1 side as if the other will do the right thing is a waste of energy. & using low grade political blogs that say republicans will turn the moon blue does not contribute to your cause.

Originally Posted by The Demon

3. You seem to only criticize those supporting the right, whereas you're nonexistent when someone is verbally fellating the left. Try and be consistent with your thoughts. Pretending to be objective doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, you mean the ten points laid out by liberals On behalf of the GOP a day before the GOP releases it?

Originally Posted by joshgirls

do you actually believe these republicans will close the depts of energy, education, & the EPA as your blog source states? Do you understand the premise of your post is the same low level partisan nonsense that the right wing hurls at the left?

Honestly nobody knows what either party will DO when they get power. They both SAY they will do things. then they dont happen. Remember Obamas 90 day freeze on foreclosures? came straight out of his mouth on his video intro before his convention speech.

When will you understand that neither party is your friend. & singling out 1 side as if the other will do the right thing is a waste of energy. & using low grade political blogs that say republicans will turn the moon blue does not contribute to your cause.

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i am missing something

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i dont think so at all, but maybe it seems that way because vendzilla is always starting or engaging in these clown shows...

i think the democrats have done a horrible job. i think obama has also done a shit job..

what i find interesting though is that whenever someone posts something about the right, the same people come in and start the same name calling. maybe i am missing something, but i don't see that happen the other way around here..

in any case, i think both sides suck and i have stated hundreds of times that govt as a whole needs to be replaced. how is that not being objective? i hate both sides equally..

if i repeat myself in certain threads, i am repeating myself so that maybe one day people will wake up and realize that if they want change, they are going to have to dismantle the whole system..

i have actually seen more and more comments lately of people blaming both sides and not just one.. this seems like good progress to me and i hope that this attitude spreads..

i will also say that i like the fact that the teabaggers are sending a message that they will vote your republican ass out of office if they dont like what you are doing and not just attacking the other side.. this is the kind of movement that this country needs, minus the attacking of the other side...

united we stand, divided we fall has more meaning in this country than ever before, at least i think it does...

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i dont think so at all, but maybe it seems that way because vendzilla is always starting or engaging in these clown shows...

i think the democrats have done a horrible job. i think obama has also done a shit job..

what i find interesting though is that whenever someone posts something about the right, the same people come in and start the same name calling. maybe i am missing something, but i don't see that happen the other way around here..

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Market is a smart dude on many topics - this isn't one of them... See...we have TWO CHOICES:

DEMS
REPUGS/TEABAGS (same thing)

Why does your wish that the whole government needs to be tossed out matter? That is a third option that doesn't now, nor will ever, exist.

You might as well come into these threads and say you wish a blonde virgin with wings flew in through your window, landed on your floor, and started sucking your cock.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The corporate powers that be, prefer Republicans to be in power, because, although the Dems are a mixed bag as well, they are not in solid lockstep with ALL of the corporations at ALL times.

Make fun of Obama's healthcare plan as much as you like, but at least it is SOMETHING! At least it ATTEMPTS to make a few corrections.

Make fun of Obama's Wall Street reform plan as much as you like, but at least it is SOMETHING! At least it ATTEMPTS to make a few corrections.

And on and on....

Both sides are happy to fuck over the regular folk - but the GOP does it with more enthusiasm, and with no shame whatsoever.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I believe the whole system is 100% corrupt.

Originally Posted by Bill8

you should practice avoiding ad hominem and strawman arguments.

they are weak rhetoric AND logical fallacies, and by definition, it's close to impossible to actually win an argument with them.

let the other side use them, but avoid them yourself, or use them sparingly as an accompaniment to more substantive arguments.

i realize you have fun with the ad hominem, but, it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Market is a smart dude on many topics - this isn't one of them... See...we have TWO CHOICES:

DEMS
REPUGS/TEABAGS (same thing)

Why does your wish that the whole government needs to be tossed out matter? That is a third option that doesn't now, nor will ever, exist.

You might as well come into these threads and say you wish a blonde virgin with wings flew in through your window, landed on your floor, and started sucking your cock.

Originally Posted by Brujah

Sounds exactly like the Libertarian party to me.

Originally Posted by Bill8

you should practice avoiding ad hominem and strawman arguments.

they are weak rhetoric AND logical fallacies, and by definition, it's close to impossible to actually win an argument with them.

let the other side use them, but avoid them yourself, or use them sparingly as an accompaniment to more substantive arguments.

i realize you have fun with the ad hominem, but, it doesn't work.

added - the chosen quote was just to make it clear I was aiming these comments directly to you, it has no other connection to what I am saying.

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i dont see a leader/s that would direct the peoples focus in the right place...

Originally Posted by marketsmart

like i said, i have resigned myself from the political system. i have no faith in it and i dont think it will change.

Originally Posted by marketsmart

sorry, but history proves your point wrong...

throughout history people have stood up and sacrificed everything to become free of oppression.. and many times they were incredibly outnumbered and in some cases they ultimately failed, but they tried...

i honestly believe that if the economy becomes bad enough, there is a good chance that people may decide that enough is enough.. unfortunately, i dont see a leader/s that would direct the peoples focus in the right place...

like i said, i have resigned myself from the political system. i have no faith in it and i dont think it will change..

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Revolution has never happened with a nuclear armed superpower (not even USSR, the same thugs stayed in power) So if revolution is your historical precedent then it's just fantasy and speculation. The crazed religious right would make a grab for all the weapons and it would be an endless civil war. I choose to work within the system we have to move out those that would see it crumble, like (Cambaby, Demon and Vendzilla) Their agenda of racism and hate will lose eventually and they will go extinct... although it may take quite some time.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Hey Vendzilla and Gouge,

Please explain the GOP's new plan to fix America. Misdirection and snide remarks aside, please tell us what the big GOP/Tea Party plan is, that is so fucking great.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How refreshing to see an effort to actually hold Republicans accountable for their nasty, selfish attitudes toward fellow citizens. The Democrats have an answer to the Republicans' effort to craft a new "Contract With America".

Behold, the Republican Tea Party Contract ON America, where Democrats are prepared to remind the country of what Republicans have been up to this year.

Contract high points include:

1) Repeal the Affordable Care Act (Health Insurance Reform) - Put insurance companies back in charge, repeal tax credits for small businesses, allow insurance companies to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions and to drop coverage when a person gets too sick and make prescription drugs for seniors less affordable.

2) Privatize Social Security or phase it out altogether - Turn the guaranteed retirement benefits of America's seniors over to Wall Street CEOs by putting Social Security at risk in the stock market or, as some Republicans have called for, phase out Social Security altogether and end a program millions of American seniors rely on for their survival.

3) End Medicare as it presently exists - Phase out and end Medicare as it presently exists for future generations of seniors, ending Medicare's guaranteed healthcare benefits for more than 40 million American seniors, and replace it with a voucher system which will result in higher premiums and fewer services for seniors.

4) Extend the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy and big oil - At a cost of nearly $700 billion, extend the Bush tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and big oil, which are set to expire and which have and will continue to explode the federal budget deficit.

5) Repeal Wall Street Reform - Roll back the toughest consumer protections ever enacted, allow banks to continue to grow too big to fail, and ensure that predatory lenders continue to utilize their most abusive practices.

6) Protect those responsible for the oil spill and future environmental catastrophes - Cap liabilities for those responsible for environmental disasters like the Gulf oil spill and let companies like BP decide which victims deserve compensation for the disaster and what the timeline for relief should be.

7) Abolish the Department of Education - Put the big banks back in charge of student loans and put an end to federal assistance for public schools.

8) Abolish the Department of Energy - End America's investments in a clean-energy future and disband the organization responsible for oversight of nuclear materials.

9) Abolish the Environmental Protection Agency - Gut the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act, which together protect our kids from air pollution and keep drinking water safe, and disband the watchdog that holds polluters accountable.

10) Repeal the 17th Amendment - Take away your right to pick your U.S. Senator

That's what they've promised. Not just a walk back to the Bush years, a walk back to another century. Perhaps they could repeal the Emancipation Proclamation, too.

Source: http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/wel...ican-tea-party

Originally Posted by marketsmart

do you and vendzilla actually think the republicans are going to fix anything?

so have fun with these threads, they accomplish nothing...

Originally Posted by Brujah

Sounds exactly like the Libertarian party to me.

Originally Posted by spazlabz

This thread is a perfect representation of what is happening in US politics today. There is a lot of name calling, no one listening to other people's point of view and only looking for openings to attack

If you are a republican or lean that way understand that this was started by Deminte, his famous Waterloo comment and the R's lining up in opposition to EVERYTHING that Obama or the Ds wanted to work through. Note: they did not offer alternatives, just say no was their hilarious response to everything. I got over that type of behavior in about the third grade.

You know I wouldn't have even minded if they had come up with something other than blatant pandering to their multi-billionaire owners with tax cuts... tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts is the only thing pouring out of their sucks. It will be at least interesting to see what they come up with. At least it will hopefully be something debated.

the problem, plain and simple is that the majority of the Tea Party want candidates who will not compromise. Seriously, wtf is politics if not the art of compromise??? If the tone of the dialogue in this country does not change and change dramatically ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE.... this country is going to fall to shit a lot quicker then anyone wants to admit...

so yeah, call names back and forth, attack, attack and attack a few more times. You're being helpful

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Welcome to Divided America!