Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions - Page 11 - GoFuckYourself.com

SiMpLe · 10-20-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlacksOnBlondes

Nathan:
This guy has been uploading tons of our movies- http://www.pornhub.com/users/bong/
We have sent you dozens of DMCA's on this guy AFTER March 1st 2010. Why is he still an active user? Over 500,000 people have watched these movies so far.

Please advise.

Good luck with that

RycEric · 10-20-2010, 01:09 PM

FYI - Reflected.net, host of tube8 has their legal team and execs watching this thread.

Hi guys and welcome to GOFUCKYOURSELF.

billywatson · 10-20-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlacksOnBlondes

Nathan:
This guy has been uploading tons of our movies- http://www.pornhub.com/users/bong/
We have sent you dozens of DMCA's on this guy AFTER March 1st 2010. Why is he still an active user? Over 500,000 people have watched these movies so far.

Please advise.

I can't wait to hear.

kenny · 01-14-2011, 10:22 AM

How is this project going?

The Rowan · 06-15-2011, 02:01 PM

We do not "take full length videos from anywhere", we do not submit videos to our own tubes unless we own licenses to them. And we do not have any of this in our member's areas. This just to clarify...

well why do you have this up then:
http://www.keezmovies.com/categories/hentai

you guys do NOT own 1 single Hentai License

you upload most of them.

you advertise to have them in your member area!

you dont respond to emails!

you rename the movie titles! what is fine as we can tell anyway.

so you leave us very little choice on what steps to take as you show you do not care.

DWB · 06-15-2011, 02:38 PM

Snaaaaap.

Robbie · 06-15-2011, 04:19 PM

Yeah, I'd say "digital fingerprinting" that PV jumped in bed with Manwin on hasn't really changed Pornhub one little bit (I really never thought it would anyway)

I don't go there except when I see a thread like this. And it looks EXACTLY the way it did in Oct. when this big announcement was made (that's EIGHT MONTHS of people's work being monetized by Manwin and devalued for the producers).

Have any of you guys that go to pornhub ever actually hit one of those videos where the stolen content was replaced by a trailer? lol

Allison · 06-15-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, I'd say "digital fingerprinting" that PV jumped in bed with Manwin on hasn't really changed Pornhub one little bit (I really never thought it would anyway)

I don't go there except when I see a thread like this. And it looks EXACTLY the way it did in Oct. when this big announcement was made (that's EIGHT MONTHS of people's work being monetized by Manwin and devalued for the producers).

Have any of you guys that go to pornhub ever actually hit one of those videos where the stolen content was replaced by a trailer? lol

Hi Robbie,

I'll address your last question first. Manwin opted not to do the trailer replacement, but rather the complete removal. On the Manwin tubes, we've seen about 99% of our videos removed and prevented from being uploaded in the first place without sending DMCA notices. When we see a random one get through we work with both Manwin and the digital finger printing company to determine if anything can be improved to prevent that going forward.

If you'd like to see example of content being replaced and with advertising check out xvideos.com

http://www.xvideos.com/video783845/b...teens_2_scene2

That was a video that would have been full length, but we opted to have it truncated to 3 minutes with our overlay for advertisement.

Regarding seeing tube sites with other full length videos; I'm sure some could be easily removed by participating in the finger printing program and I'm sure that a good portion of them are from companies who licensed their content to tube sites. I'm surprised how many times we are approached for licensing deals on tubes, which we decline.

Allison · 06-15-2011, 04:56 PM

And if you're curious on how the advertising model is doing, here are the stats for just the Xvideos account for this current 15 day period. It's not a ton of revenue yet, but definitely building and can obviously add into more as other tubes that are committed to utilize the technology do so as well (Slutload, Youjizz, Empflix/TnAflix, Xhamster, etc).

In this example, I look at it this way. Pink Visual not only prevented a lot of full length videos from going live seamlessly, but we also we avoided the work of hunting down our content & sending DMCA notices, and generated some revenue at the same time.

Since we've been so hands-on we've also seen this technology being utilized at the file sharing level as well.

SZNY · 06-15-2011, 05:02 PM

Nice stuff but it will only work when all the tubes owners are into this. Good and positive to see that Pink visual and Manwin are both making the 1st steps!

Robbie · 06-15-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

Hi Robbie,

I'll address your last question first. Manwin opted not to do the trailer replacement, but rather the complete removal. On the Manwin tubes, we've seen about 99% of our videos removed and prevented from being uploaded in the first place without sending DMCA notices. When we see a random one get through we work with both Manwin and the digital finger printing company to determine if anything can be improved to prevent that going forward.

Any ideas on how quickly that process works for you? If I were to upload one of your full length vids (this is hypothetical because I would never do that) is it getting stopped from going up at all? Or is it up for a period of time before the software spots it?

Just curious, because I'd rather see it not go up at all and the person trying to upload stolen content get a window telling him his account is banned and his info is being forwarded to the authorities. THAT would damn sure stop them in their tracks.

Also, just to be clear...I know that the tubes are starting to have licensed content.

When I went to Pornhub just now these are the first videos on the front page:
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1115214320
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1997796794
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=266647155

Does anyone know if those are licensed? Or stolen?
I know all three of them are promoting a Brazzers join for $1, but they obviously aren't Brazzers vids. And call me crazy...but if somebody is making money off of stolen content? They are a thief.

Allison · 06-15-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SZNY

Nice stuff but it will only work when all the tubes owners are into this. Good and positive to see that Pink visual and Manwin are both making the 1st steps!

I think 9 out of the top 10 Alexa Ranked adult tubes have committed to the use of the technology:

All the Manwin (pornhub, keezmovies, tube8, xvideos, spankwire, mofosex, extremetube, youporn) tubes plus Xhamster, Youjizz network, Slutload, TnaFlix/Empflix. I know that they vary in stages of integration, but within a month I'm anticipating they'll be live.

http://www.fscapap.com/

As a content owner, no one is going to do the work for you completely, but with this technology the only work that remains is to learn about it, make the finger prints (which can be done server side) & keep an eye on it randomly to audit things.

It's nice for us to know that we won't have to worry too much about the major tubes out there for copyright infringement & we can focus on solutions and removal for the other types of infringement (torrents, file hosts, etc).

Robbie · 06-15-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

In this example, I look at it this way. Pink Visual not only prevented a lot of full length videos from going live seamlessly, but we also we avoided the work of hunting down our content & sending DMCA notices, and generated some revenue at the same time.

Since we've been so hands-on we've also seen this technology being utilized at the file sharing level as well.

That sounds good. But do you have a figure on how many pirate sites there are?

I'm pretty sure that RYC posted that he has a database right now that they crawl of over 10,000 pirate sites.
Any ideas how to get 10,000 sites on board with this?

Or how about we just get the 10,000 pirate sites to just agree to STOP user upload? Boy that would sure make this all nice and simplified. Almost like people doing business instead of thieves stealing all of our stuff.

Robbie · 06-15-2011, 05:16 PM

Also, has anyone given any time and effort yet to the surfer/pirate social networks like pornbb dot org?

Took me two seconds to find this: http://www.pornbb.org/crystal-ray-bl...hite%20sl uts

These kinds of forums are HUGE! pornbb has an Alexa traffic rating of 1,635
And that's just one of thousands.

Allison · 06-15-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Any ideas on how quickly that process works for you? If I were to upload one of your full length vids (this is hypothetical because I would never do that) is it getting stopped from going up at all? Or is it up for a period of time before the software spots it?

The technology works upon upload, so before it goes live. I'm not sure if the uploader gets a message or how it works with their account banning process offhand. So that's a good question for Manwin. With the advertising model we've witnessed some issues involving random CDN Servers not catching the truncation, but we've been able to work to report those to minimize those.

I personally don't know what's licensed or not, but I do know that a lot more companies are willing to license their content to tubes than I would like to see, but that is their own business decision. I also don't think these companies are the ones willing to come forward and admit that they licensed content. Maybe they will, so let's see.

SZNY · 06-15-2011, 05:21 PM

That's good news, finally something positive especially when the big players are all participate into this fingerprinting solution.

Next step would be to have a majority from all the content owners (also the smaller ones) would participate into this program to protect their property and assets.

Great incentive for our industry

Agent 488 · 06-15-2011, 05:21 PM

those tube sites pretty much are adult traffic now. they probably control 80% of all adult traffic.

Allison · 06-15-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Also, has anyone given any time and effort yet to the surfer/pirate social networks like pornbb dot org?

Took me two seconds to find this: http://www.pornbb.org/crystal-ray-bl...hite%20sl uts

These kinds of forums are HUGE! pornbb has an Alexa traffic rating of 1,635
And that's just one of thousands.

I personally think it would behoove the industry to create a meta data database full of blacklisted terms (movie titles, porn star names, etc) that "User generated content sites" could ban and prevent from being added to their site. DMCA allows for something like the use of reasonable technology to prevent infringement in order to be protected by the safe harbor and something like this could be easily used by torrents, forums and blogs where they aren't hosting the content. One of the mainstream torrent search sites was required to filter meta data & block banned terms like mainstream movie titles.

Robbie · 06-15-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

The technology works upon upload, so before it goes live.

That's good!

I know you guys are trying...but I just don't trust people (Manwin) who have done what those guys are doing.

And speaking of my non-trust (lol):
I wonder if it's stopping the upload? Or...does the vid upload, then get "fingerprinted" and at that point does not go on the pornhub public site?

I would hazard a guess that that is how it works. And like I said...you just can't trust them. I've already been shown that they were removing vids from the public page of Pornhub when you DMCA'ed them...but KEEPING them up in their premium section!

I wonder if they are doing that with these videos as well?

Allison · 06-15-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Or how about we just get the 10,000 pirate sites to just agree to STOP user upload? Boy that would sure make this all nice and simplified. Almost like people doing business instead of thieves stealing all of our stuff.

Robbie, can you email me your contact info and maybe a good time for a call? Being strategic within our industry can help ensure adult user generated content sites act more and more responsibly.

dyna mo · 06-15-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

And if you're curious on how the advertising model is doing, here are the stats for just the Xvideos account for this current 15 day period. It's not a ton of revenue yet, but definitely building and can obviously add into more as other tubes that are committed to utilize the technology do so as well (Slutload, Youjizz, Empflix/TnAflix, Xhamster, etc).

In this example, I look at it this way. Pink Visual not only prevented a lot of full length videos from going live seamlessly, but we also we avoided the work of hunting down our content & sending DMCA notices, and generated some revenue at the same time.

Since we've been so hands-on we've also seen this technology being utilized at the file sharing level as well.

Hi Allison,

what is your advertising model in this scenario, if you don't mind sharing? is there corresponding marketing to advertise your paysites on the page that also has your video? are you paying by signups or a straight-up advertising deal? also, are these statistics typical for what any quality paysite could expect from advertising?

thx in advance!

Allison · 06-15-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Hi Allison,

what is your advertising model in this scenario, if you don't mind sharing? is there corresponding marketing to advertise your paysites on the page that also has your video? are you paying by signups or a straight-up advertising deal? also, are these statistics typical for what any quality paysite could expect from advertising?

thx in advance!

Hi Dyna Mo,

We tested a few different things and the obvious ones have worked. We try to match the content they are watching with the rule as best we can. So if it's a MilfSeeker episode we try to send directly to that Milfseeker episode and if we can't we send to the Milf niche in general.

We've also found that sending to a non-recurring billing option works best. So just a 1 time $24.95 for 1 month or $9.95 for the week. This seems to be a consumer who has probably been burnt out by the recurring billing model & cross sells.

We also advertise our buy an episode once & own for life product which seems to do pretty good as well when we link to just that episode.

We have not yet tested too much with tweaking the language of the ad text and I'm sure if we did, we'd see better click through rates as well.

Now, I think these results will probably be typical, but other companies who have more niche or unique content could see better results. I mean, we'll admit our content is similar to 3 or 4 other companies out there so as long as there is similar content still up on tube sites the click through ratio won't be that great for us. Now for a company who specializes in a certain girl or less general niche or style, they'll probably see much better results than what we see, but their content might be uploaded less to begin with so the gross might end up the same.

All of the advertising rules can be set up in a simple excel spreadsheet or linked to data from the database itself. We do the latter where we can tell what episode the traffic is coming from & redirect based on that. The same concept though can be set up spreadsheets.

DWB · 06-16-2011, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That's good!

I know you guys are trying...but I just don't trust people (Manwin) who have done what those guys are doing.

And speaking of my non-trust (lol):
I wonder if it's stopping the upload? Or...does the vid upload, then get "fingerprinted" and at that point does not go on the pornhub public site?

I would hazard a guess that that is how it works. And like I said...you just can't trust them. I've already been shown that they were removing vids from the public page of Pornhub when you DMCA'ed them...but KEEPING them up in their premium section!

I wonder if they are doing that with these videos as well?

Trust is my issue as well.

Considering everything they have done, both Mansef and Manwin and everyone else, allowing all of my content to be fingerprinted with them having access to that data in any manner, makes me shy away from this whole thing.

Once a thief, always a thief.

And like you said, what's to stop them from using this technology at a later date, or even currently, to put the videos elsewhere, or just keep renaming them and reposting them, or whatever they can figure out to steam roll people to become even larger.

They are like a virus. It's only a matter of time before they mutate again.

pornguy · 06-16-2011, 05:50 AM

Awesome idea. I get to pay them to be an affiliate. I pay them to sign up and then I pay them a %. And then one day down the line they are going say.. " Huh... We can make more by charging this every month or three months. "

DWB · 06-16-2011, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Awesome idea. I get to pay them to be an affiliate. I pay them to sign up and then I pay them a %. And then one day down the line they are going say.. " Huh... We can make more by charging this every month or three months. "

Concept is great, but it has the potential for massive abuse at a later date.

pornguy · 06-16-2011, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Concept is great, but it has the potential for massive abuse at a later date.

It has potential for abuse right away.

I pay them 500$ up front. Then they become an affiliate. They make No sales as an affiliate and as someone mentioned, I have no way of knowing if my stuff is in the members areas in full version.

Allison · 06-16-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Trust is my issue as well.

Considering everything they have done, both Mansef and Manwin and everyone else, allowing all of my content to be fingerprinted with them having access to that data in any manner, makes me shy away from this whole thing.

Once a thief, always a thief.

And like you said, what's to stop them from using this technology at a later date, or even currently, to put the videos elsewhere, or just keep renaming them and reposting them, or whatever they can figure out to steam roll people to become even larger.

They are like a virus. It's only a matter of time before they mutate again.

Regarding "trust" there are a few solution oriented points that are being missed.

One is that with Manwin and with Slutload, as we have announced before, there is a legal agreement to use technology to reasonably prevent infringement not only for Pink Visual content, but for any content owner that participates in the use of the technology. To purposefully bypass or deceive any content owner that participates would be an extremely ballsy move. Nonetheless, like with regular business deals we check into how the other party does things as a form of QA. So the same here, if anyone wants to make sure the technology is being used correctly, there are more than reasonable ways to test. We check on things quarterly ourselves. If you can't find your stuff up anywhere, than it's highly likely that a consumer can't find it either.

The other part is that the tube sites have no say over the cost of the program. This is a program negotiated by the FSC & that many of the tubes are legally committed to using.

Typically, without the FSC pricing negotiation, both the content owners and tube sites would pay individually several thousand dollars a month to the technology provider. Instead, the negotiated technology fee is just a revenue share of the earnings. If you don't make any money on the ads, you don't pay the revenue share. The technology is a third party technology & tube owners interest in it is primarily to prevent infringement & become more compliant with DMCA safe harbor by implementing a proven reasonable technology.

dyna mo · 06-16-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Allison

Hi Dyna Mo,

We tested a few different things and the obvious ones have worked. We try to match the content they are watching with the rule as best we can. So if it's a MilfSeeker episode we try to send directly to that Milfseeker episode and if we can't we send to the Milf niche in general.

We've also found that sending to a non-recurring billing option works best. So just a 1 time $24.95 for 1 month or $9.95 for the week. This seems to be a consumer who has probably been burnt out by the recurring billing model & cross sells.

We also advertise our buy an episode once & own for life product which seems to do pretty good as well when we link to just that episode.

We have not yet tested too much with tweaking the language of the ad text and I'm sure if we did, we'd see better click through rates as well.

Now, I think these results will probably be typical, but other companies who have more niche or unique content could see better results. I mean, we'll admit our content is similar to 3 or 4 other companies out there so as long as there is similar content still up on tube sites the click through ratio won't be that great for us. Now for a company who specializes in a certain girl or less general niche or style, they'll probably see much better results than what we see, but their content might be uploaded less to begin with so the gross might end up the same.

All of the advertising rules can be set up in a simple excel spreadsheet or linked to data from the database itself. We do the latter where we can tell what episode the traffic is coming from & redirect based on that. The same concept though can be set up spreadsheets.

thanks a ton!

DWB · 06-16-2011, 01:00 PM

The concept of all of this is BRILLIANT and exciting. It's just the players involved that put a really bad taste in my mouth. I don't trust any of them.

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Originally Posted by Allison

To purposefully bypass or deceive any content owner that participates would be an extremely ballsy move.

Care to take a stab at how we all got in this mess in the first place? I'd call that an insanely ballsy move. These guys have built their entire empire based on theft and a lot of balls.

At this stage it's a little like trying to trust your uncle you molested you as a kid. And no matter how much you think he's reformed, you would never allow him to babysit your own child even with supervision.

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Originally Posted by Allison

Typically, without the FSC pricing negotiation, both the content owners and tube sites would pay individually several thousand dollars a month to the technology provider. Instead, the negotiated technology fee is just a revenue share of the earnings. If you don't make any money on the ads, you don't pay the revenue share. The technology is a third party technology & tube owners interest in it is primarily to prevent infringement & become more compliant with DMCA safe harbor by implementing a proven reasonable technology.

This also brings up the trust factor for FSC. Besides COPPA, they really don't have a track record of succeeding at anything they do. Not to mention, there is nothing stopping them from changing how this all operates as their organization dies due to a natural decline in supporters due to more and more companies going out of business and the DVD giants closing shop, who are almost all supporting them currently.

Their current price rate will change once they get a lot of people on board. You can bet your ass on that. And then "free" is going to end up costing you a whole lot of money if you want to continue their service. It's a typical protection racket scheme.

Allison · 06-16-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

The concept of all of this is BRILLIANT and exciting. It's just the players involved that put a really bad taste in my mouth. I don't trust any of them.

Care to take a stab at how we all got in this mess in the first place? I'd call that an insanely ballsy move. These guys have built their entire empire based on theft and a lot of balls.

At this stage it's a little like trying to trust your uncle you molested you as a kid. And no matter how much you think he's reformed, you would never allow him to babysit your own child even with supervision.

This also brings up the trust factor for FSC. Besides COPPA, they really don't have a track record of succeeding at anything they do. Not to mention, there is nothing stopping them from changing how this all operates as their organization dies due to a natural decline in supporters due to more and more companies going out of business and the DVD giants closing shop, who are almost all supporting them currently.

Their current price rate will change once they get a lot of people on board. You can bet your ass on that. And then "free" is going to end up costing you a whole lot of money if you want to continue their service. It's a typical protection racket scheme.

DWB, I just have to ask what are your solutions? "I'm not sure I can trust them." and "what if the pricing structure changes?" are all just speculation and by not trusting and by speculating, it doesn't change anything for the better.

In the mean time, I've just gone over some results that we've seen first hand with the technology. We've seen a large reduction of infringement of our content on some of the major tubes and for less effort than it would have taken to manually scan those sites and send DMCA's to these tubes. In addition, we've been able to get our brand out there and generate some revenue from it.

No one loves the fact that adult tubes or other piracy sites exist, but skepticism won't make them go away or lead them to act responsibly. On the other hand, a strong combination of legal strategy and technology can lead things in the right direction. The adult industry actually has even better positioning than our mainstream counterparts when it comes to encouraging responsibility. It just takes more and more companies to understand that position and lead things in the right direction.

As a side note, for anyone intimidated by getting the finger prints done or concerned they don't have the resources, feel free to hit me up as I'm aware of a very reputable company offering to do this for some of their clients (they just aren't ready to publicly announce).

borked · 12-14-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

I predict this thread will be at least 10 pages.

good call

borked · 12-14-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

Digital fingerprinting is indeed the future of content protection, but the cost of this tech is still too high imho.

It will come down Nautilus.... you've helped me *enormously* in the past and you know I was working on similar things before when this thread was made. Well, it took me over 10 months to "go it alone", but I've done it

A video library of over 1.3m active tube videos and a cross check rate of 0.001 secs per 30 min video to find pirated content, regardless of compression ratio (--edit or whether it is a 5 minute cut of your 30min scene).....

This per monthly charge may have been viable back in May, but when I can get this out to the public in the CMS now, it'll be pennies to check your content against the tubes - . Watch my space

Robbie · 12-14-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

It will come down Nautilus.... you've helped me *enormously* in the past and you know I was working on similar things before when this thread was made. Well, it took me over 10 months to "go it alone", but I've done it

A video library of over 1.3m active tube videos and a cross check rate of 0.001 secs per 30 min video to find pirated content, regardless of compression ratio (--edit or whether it is a 5 minute cut of your 30min scene).....

This per monthly charge may have been viable back in May, but when I can get this out to the public in the CMS now, it'll be pennies to check your content against the tubes - . Watch my space

I have followed your posts. I'm looking forward to this.

DWB · 12-28-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

DWB, I just have to ask what are your solutions?

Sorry, the pirates are hiding among us, and those who don't hide are celebrated. The wagons are circled.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-28-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

It will come down Nautilus.... you've helped me *enormously* in the past and you know I was working on similar things before when this thread was made. Well, it took me over 10 months to "go it alone", but I've done it

A video library of over 1.3m active tube videos and a cross check rate of 0.001 secs per 30 min video to find pirated content, regardless of compression ratio (--edit or whether it is a 5 minute cut of your 30min scene).....

This per monthly charge may have been viable back in May, but when I can get this out to the public in the CMS now, it'll be pennies to check your content against the tubes - . Watch my space

Please create a new thread when you launch your product, and good luck!

ADG

Operator · 01-17-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I don't trust any of them.

Talking to dumbasses least we forget

borked · 02-20-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Smaller tubes will have to follow since they can nolonger claim the technology does not work or is not used. There is a provision in DMCA law that makes it very clear to them that in order to keep safe harbor they have to implement technical means available to protect content owners.

It's one of the reason's I started looking at the various service providers in the field in March of this year already.

Obviously there will always be illegal tubes/sites which will not follow and hide behind the law, but they will be easier to target by any content owners.

This is indeed interesting.

Does anyone actually have an excerpt from DMCA law where it mentions this? I'm very interested in finding out what "technical means available" covers...

Allison · 02-20-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

This is indeed interesting.

Does anyone actually have an excerpt from DMCA law where it mentions this? I'm very interested in finding out what "technical means available" covers...

512i

i) Conditions for Eligibility.—
(1) Accommodation of technology.— The limitations on liability established by this section shall apply to a service provider only if the service provider—
(A) has adopted and reasonably implemented, and informs subscribers and account holders of the service provider’s system or network of, a policy that provides for the termination in appropriate circumstances of subscribers and account holders of the service provider’s system or network who are repeat infringers; and
(B) accommodates and does not interfere with standard technical measures.
(2) Definition.— As used in this subsection, the term “standard technical measures” means technical measures that are used by copyright owners to identify or protect copyrighted works and—
(A) have been developed pursuant to a broad consensus of copyright owners and service providers in an open, fair, voluntary, multi-industry standards process;
(B) are available to any person on reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms; and
(C) do not impose substantial costs on service providers or substantial burdens on their systems or networks.

Then that combined with the numbers of mainstream and adult tubes (large and small) who have adopted fingerpint technology make it difficult for a tube to say they adopted "reasonable technology" unless they are using fingerprint technology.

borked · 02-20-2012, 12:47 PM

Thanks Allison -

I'm seeing things much more clearly now, especially in relation to the order of events of how this came around eg re: 2a,b

DWB · 02-20-2012, 01:20 PM

Speaking of digital finger printing... Am I the only one who finds it unusual that the ONLY file sharing site on the entire internet that uses digital finger printing, uses the same digital finger printing system that Manwin is part of and they just happen to be the same file sharing site people have said Manwin allegedly owns?

Yea, I know the buck was passed to Mansef owners. But when did those shit stain pirates ever care about content theft enough to use digital finger printing? Yuuuusef and the other foosball players never cared about anything other than stealing from people.

If it walks like a duck... just sayin'.

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	How is this project going? __________________ 7

06-15-2011, 04:19 PM	#507
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Yeah, I'd say "digital fingerprinting" that PV jumped in bed with Manwin on hasn't really changed Pornhub one little bit (I really never thought it would anyway) I don't go there except when I see a thread like this. And it looks EXACTLY the way it did in Oct. when this big announcement was made (that's EIGHT MONTHS of people's work being monetized by Manwin and devalued for the producers). Have any of you guys that go to pornhub ever actually hit one of those videos where the stolen content was replaced by a trailer? lol __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

06-15-2011, 04:56 PM	#509
Allison Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: http://www.topbucks.com Posts: 2,068	And if you're curious on how the advertising model is doing, here are the stats for just the Xvideos account for this current 15 day period. It's not a ton of revenue yet, but definitely building and can obviously add into more as other tubes that are committed to utilize the technology do so as well (Slutload, Youjizz, Empflix/TnAflix, Xhamster, etc). In this example, I look at it this way. Pink Visual not only prevented a lot of full length videos from going live seamlessly, but we also we avoided the work of hunting down our content & sending DMCA notices, and generated some revenue at the same time. Since we've been so hands-on we've also seen this technology being utilized at the file sharing level as well. __________________ Allison President TopBucks.com\| PinkVisual.com\| [email protected] Follow Me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/PV_Alli ICQ: 120353154 Check out PVLocker.com

06-15-2011, 05:02 PM	#510
SZNY SZNY Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sexy Republic Posts: 2,799	Nice stuff but it will only work when all the tubes owners are into this. Good and positive to see that Pink visual and Manwin are both making the 1st steps! __________________ Telegram: sandroanthonio

06-15-2011, 05:16 PM	#514
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Also, has anyone given any time and effort yet to the surfer/pirate social networks like pornbb dot org? Took me two seconds to find this: http://www.pornbb.org/crystal-ray-bl...hite%20sl uts These kinds of forums are HUGE! pornbb has an Alexa traffic rating of 1,635 And that's just one of thousands. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

10-20-2010, 01:09 PM	#502
RycEric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,313	FYI - Reflected.net, host of tube8 has their legal team and execs watching this thread. Hi guys and welcome to GOFUCKYOURSELF.

06-15-2011, 02:01 PM	#505
The Rowan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: miami Posts: 77	We do not "take full length videos from anywhere", we do not submit videos to our own tubes unless we own licenses to them. And we do not have any of this in our member's areas. This just to clarify... well why do you have this up then: http://www.keezmovies.com/categories/hentai you guys do NOT own 1 single Hentai License you upload most of them. you advertise to have them in your member area! you dont respond to emails! you rename the movie titles! what is fine as we can tell anyway. so you leave us very little choice on what steps to take as you show you do not care.

06-15-2011, 02:38 PM	#506
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Snaaaaap.

06-15-2011, 05:21 PM	#516
SZNY SZNY Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sexy Republic Posts: 2,799	That's good news, finally something positive especially when the big players are all participate into this fingerprinting solution. Next step would be to have a majority from all the content owners (also the smaller ones) would participate into this program to protect their property and assets. Great incentive for our industry __________________ Telegram: sandroanthonio

06-15-2011, 05:21 PM	#517
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	those tube sites pretty much are adult traffic now. they probably control 80% of all adult traffic.

06-16-2011, 05:50 AM	#524
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,912	Awesome idea. I get to pay them to be an affiliate. I pay them to sign up and then I pay them a %. And then one day down the line they are going say.. " Huh... We can make more by charging this every month or three months. " __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME! Last edited by pornguy; 06-16-2011 at 05:51 AM..

02-20-2012, 12:47 PM	#539
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	Thanks Allison - I'm seeing things much more clearly now, especially in relation to the order of events of how this came around eg re: 2a,b __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

02-20-2012, 01:20 PM	#540
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Speaking of digital finger printing... Am I the only one who finds it unusual that the ONLY file sharing site on the entire internet that uses digital finger printing, uses the same digital finger printing system that Manwin is part of and they just happen to be the same file sharing site people have said Manwin allegedly owns? Yea, I know the buck was passed to Mansef owners. But when did those shit stain pirates ever care about content theft enough to use digital finger printing? Yuuuusef and the other foosball players never cared about anything other than stealing from people. If it walks like a duck... just sayin'.