Vjo

If Gordon Ramsey from Hell's Kitchen was running things he'd just scream:

"SHUT ER DOWN"

I mean it is just fucking terrible the last week. No bump today either.

The good news: It was real good the week before.

Still getting some dating sales but they are down too.

Personally I think the Holidays are not helping. Maybe everyone is buying gifts about now.

Hopefully I am just in a slump and you are doing well.

How's it going the last week?

BIGTYMER

Last week was on fire for me! Today 100% sucked ass though.

webchris

15-21 - very, very good for me
22-28 - totally sucks

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Vjo

Thanks man. Just have to work during the lows twice as hard as the old timers used to say. Ugg.

Prob just in a slump but was hot a week earlier.

How does that happen. I mean if you have 10 sales one week and 1 the next week same traffic you want to kill someone. It kills profits.

Thankfully I am now breaking even on real bad days. I mean my sales pay for traffic. No profit. It could be worse. I could be losing money. So actually making zip is an improvement for me for terrible times.

Vjo

Thank you. That is what I wanted to see. Exactly what I am seeing. And we are talking the best sites/ sponsors/ traffic/ ect. Totally different a week later. Same traffic volume and sources (and costs )

Which makes me smell processor scrub.

Damn man, please we need our sales. Enough scrub for now.

(I'm not above groveling if it works lol )

Vjo

I would say "you" owe us one from about now to Dec 10 or so. Low scrub. Then only two days heavy scrub. Not one week.

Sheeesh.

Keep the shit "even" is all I ask. I dont want to party like its 1999 one week and then be ready to close shop the next week.

"Even" is the word for the day.

Oh well belt me in. I'm on the roller coaster ride.

Let's have more HIGHS. These lows suck.

Gordon Ramsey would not make a good wm. You need patience (and lots of depleting operating capital) like a mofo to make it in this f'n biz.

We're ok. I had some abnormal spikes two weeks ago. Prob explains it. Watch the spikes. Means your going to plummet. (stop buying traffic after spikes! lol)

Darkcrni

My best week!

Vjo

Glad to hear it. Id rather dance with the winners than cry..

That's my other theory. I just got less pie last week. Same size always. Just got less of a bite. They chose Darkcrni's site over mine and vice versa the week before. Now there's a thought.

Old fasioned competition kicked my ass. Internet doent work like that tho in reality. 10 signups one week and 1 the next should not really happen.

My shits prob saturated

Fabien

Very bad here
1) Thanks giving
2)Xmas slowdown

webchris

15-21 : Ratio 1:1044
22-28 : Ratio 1:7345

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Vjo

This is why wm'ing is complicated.

Statistic majors meet Adult WM'ing:

Given: All things being equal, traffic and sites (in theory)

Is it better to send 100 clicks from a banner to 1000 sites

OR

Is it better to send 20,000 clicks to 5 sites?

The sites are identical. What makes more sales?

The stats majors says no diff. The wm picks the latter (5 sites)

And most of you would agree the wm would be right. Yet none of us knows why. Or maybe you do know why. Or maybe there is in fact no difference.

Just know its usually best. I think. The old vets always had maybe 3 sponsors top.

Anyhow, still sucking.

Paul&John

Last week was extremely great here

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Vjo

Thanks buddy. We can cry in our beer together.

I'm going on a vigil and only Nifty Stats grey popup doohickie can save me.

Cumon baby, pop you bastard

On a side note, I had two black guys offer me a bottle of "antidepressant" drugs tonight to "get back home" ..

Coimg out of the groc store. Black guy about 30 and an older scraggly black guy about 50. "hey we need to get back home (to Minneapolis) I'm like my car is full as im loading groc like a bastard.

Then he pulls a bottle of tablet looking pills with a prescription.. hands em to me. I look they say "Anti-Depressent" on the lable

for a second I thought about it.. j/k then I told em basicly he had a better car than me and good luck.

Guys are wandering around a parking lot and their only value is a bottle of pills with "Anti-Depressent" on the lable.

Sooo hows your day going.

loreen

Yesterday was actually great for me

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Vjo

Note: the fact they are black is included in my story only cause it is true and to make the story seem authentic.. have I cma yet

I keep wondering what kind of drugs they were out of curiosity..I should have asked more q's.

They were driving a nice car like a Cadillac Escalade or such. But it was parked and they're wandering around a grocery parking lot.

Fact is weird deal. Dont know what they wanted, think they ran out of gas. Sleeting at the time too. (of course)

Vjo

Good for you

I just hope the whole adult porn biz didnt crash this week. And your post gives me hope.

As long as someone is selling that is good.

My stuff prob is saturated a bit but isnt that a bear to face.

Vjo

There ya go. That is about the case. I'm not dreaming this. I'll get my ratios for those dates..

ok over twice as bad, yes I am a bit over dramatic but twice as bad. Not 7 times as bad as you tho but a shitty period going on.

15-21 : Ratio 1:594
22-28 : Ratio 1:1333

Yes this is not tube.

Agent 488

adult internet closes at midnight tonight. sorry if you did not get the email. check your spam folder.

Vjo

Agent 488, glad you showed up, I've seen you post that adult is over. Honestly, do you really believe that? Cause lately I almost agree.

Seriously. Are you trying to scare noobs or is it over for adult? I respect your honest opinion. [edited out cause i know you dont like emoticons]

Agent 488

no but some ratios this were terrible on some sites this month.

Vjo

Thanks man. You are the man too. I gave ya shit one time but you were right.

A straight answer is worth a lot in this biz and I appreciate it.

I hate to name sponsor names but I'll give ya a hint: Teen Cat thread. I need those guys to do well. As do a lot of us.

But hey still not a bad period as the first part of the period was good.

It def crashed and burned tho. And that is what kills ya. I suppose it averages out.

Anyhow I guess I bitched enough. Go shake some shit up I guess.

DWB

My Zombaio sales have been KICKING ASS this past week. CCbill is bone dry.

But it could all change tomorrow.

Vjo

Hey thanks DWB. Ya know have been meaning to try them. They have a lot of fresh interesting sites and the whole all under one thing appeals to me. (many sites paid by one payer)

I removed almost all CCBill. Anyone no longer sending sales. They just dont cut it. They rebill ok. But converting is just too low.

I am down to 26 programs I now promote. I have prob 150 now idle as links have been finally pulled.

I am trying to get down to even less. I current;y hit 3 progs hardest. I believe in the old school way of consolidating down to less sponsors which is what Zombaio helps do.

But I want more. Need fresh blood. Appreciate the tip man.

DWB

The legends are starting to weigh in. Glad I posted this thread.

Guys I aint too proud. I can use all the tips I can get.

Posts like this help a lot.

Zombaio (did I spell that right? )

Agent 488

zombieo ........

Vjo

I actually dont have a Zombaio acct. How did I miss that.

Maybe I mixed them up with Verotel. Verotel ruined me for all the other 3rd party proc guys. Epoch Stats has a couple good sites and recurs well, pays well, ect. But fucking Verotel. They have an even worse interface than CCBill.

Vjo

Thanks My humer is always lost on 488 and vice versa plus we're like oil and water but that's ok.

CunningStunt

My humble advice, concentrate on 10-20 programs (max), hit them hard. Unless you have an absolute shitload of hits and the programs are converting, you're watering down your efforts.

Micro-niche is the way to go for small affiliates like ourselves these days.

I don't see any change in the last few months, one of my 5 aff accounts today:

11/29/2010 2772 990 7M, 0F 4 $371.06 $2.10 $0.00 70.0% $261.21 order details member details

You have my email address

Nicky

I can't complain, niche stuff still converts!

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Vjo

Hey good stuff. Actually I have 26 sites in Nifty but only hit 3 hard and 5 a little. The other recur and shit with an occasional signup. But yeah I spent the last year pulling links and consolidating down.

The problem I find is there are not really more than 10 good porn progs to promote.

We do agree AFF is the shit. BTW cams.com any good? I noticed you publicly thought so. Is that Steamray right. Anyhow hit me by email or Ill hit you and Ill signup under you. I need to give cams a shot.

Agreed aff is selling but I need about two more of them. Even one more.

Agreed micro niche is it. Maybe the GF stuff has lost it. It hasnt done much lately.

PS. CS is being humble. I w

I wish I was a "small guy" like him.

I'll hit you with an email CS. Thanks.

pornguy

What are you selling. I am seeing consistent numbers and a slow growth. about 5% per week. Even surprised that Thanks giving day was as high as all the others last week.

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Vjo

Thanks. Yes, i need to get way more nichey. Way more work to devlope but seems to still be something there.

Niches have always way outsold vanilla which is sort of what GF is. But with Youtube it really hurt the main niches (foot, bdsm, kissing, tranny) but with the micro niches perhaps even YT has not or can not go there.

signupdamnit

Well don't forget about spiders. Unless you account for this a small number of clicks from many sources could be nothing more than a bot hitting your sites. Whereas with the larger volume a lessor percentage of hits are probably bots.

Next explanation. Probably shaving. Take 1,000 webmasters sending 2,000 clicks each a month with an average conversion of 1:1500. Now these webmasters are small time from the perspective of the program and the affiliate rep. The affiliate rep is under orders from the boss to somehow make up for the $50 PPS deal given to SUPER-BIG-FUCKING-WHALE-ILLEGAL-TUBE-OWNER who is sending 50 sales a day. They know they either pay the tube owner the $50 PPS or they will lose him. The rep is under a non-disclosure contract and is also told by the boss that since times are tough either they do this or the boss is going to have to lay them off. The rep has also been conditioned to hate the smaller affiliates (Never sending many joins, always hitting them up, pointing out bad ratios, arguing with them about things, not doing anything to make the boss praise the rep, etc). They are told that these guys sending 2,000 hits a month are just part webmasters looking for beer money anyway and it's their fault "for not working harder".

So the rep sets the shave for these 1,000 webmasters to 60%. This means that 60% of sales will not be credited to the affiliate.

Whale-tube-owner: 50 sales * $50 PPS * 365 days = $912,500 payout / year
(Would be $638,750 at $35 PPS)

Each of the small affiliates send 2,000 clicks a month at an average 1:1500 ratio but 60% is being shaved to make up for the payments to the whale. So:

1,000 * 2,000 * 12 = 24,000,000 clicks from small affiliates per year

24,000,000 / 1500 = 16,000 sales

16,000 * 35 PPS = $560,000 Payouts that should be paid.

However, the shave is set to 60%.

$560,000 * .4 = $224,000 actually paid to the 1,000 small affiliates.

$560,000 - $224,000 = $336,000 shaved from small affiliates per year.

And instead of seeing the actual 1:1500 ratio all these small affiliates see something like a 1:3500 ratio and are none the wiser.

Summary / TLDR :

1. Whale-Illegal-Tube-Owner gets his $50 PPS deal and keeps sending traffic.

2. 1,000 small affiliates get shaved at 60% rate and now have 1:3500 ratios (Real ratios: 1:1500).

3. Shaving of 1,000 small affiliates generates $336,000 per year to be used to pay the whale illegal tube site owner.

4. Program owner is happy and will have a drink with whale illegal tube site owner at the next show.

5. Affiliate rep keeps his job in a recession. Rep justifies it as being the small affiliate's fault and them getting what they deserve.

6. 1,000 small affiliates sending 2,000 clicks a month struggle and get screwed.


Laugh at me and deny it all you want and call me ridiculous (some will probably get angry) but I know somewhere there is at least someone sweating bricks. Let's not be naive. Not everyone is dishonest but some are.

Vjo

Good to hear. SE traffic is still where its at. Cha Ching

Way to go Jesus. May some good fortune rubbeth offeth on meith please your holiness. Dont hawg all the manna.

nikki99

I blame tube sites

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Hey sales been pretty solid over here, exclusive hi def content, and fresh FHG's for a kick start

Vjo

Wow exceptional. I have to agree. Traffic numbers speak. Ya know at this point I really want to think I am not getting shaved 60% for fucks sake. But the cynic in me realizes where money is involved.. cold hard cash.

Anyhow very interesting. And thank you for taking a shot at my stats quandry. The reason I used to send like 100 hits to 200 progs a day. Now i send 5000 to 4 progs and do way better. The problem is I think you are more open to fluctuation statisticly with only 4 progs over say 50 but you do make more plus less overhead.

Also yes you are "tighter" with the prog and maybe do get shaved less. There are other forces at work when you narrow your traffic focus but as yet I am not sure what they are. One is that you of course can choose the best progs (obviously) and all progs are not equal as in my theory.

rogueteens

this month has been crap for me dunno why, hopefully next month will be better

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pornguy

Naahh.. Its not all the tubes fault.. A lot of people need to look at their business model and compare it to 8 years ago, ( if they have been around that long ) and they will find some mistakes that can get those sales up again.

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Vjo

Anyhow good input from all. I better get a few winks. hehe all night learning session.

Rogueteens: Hopefully you had some good days. The consensus is it sucks lately but mid and early month were not too bad.

Pornguy: always good input, just nothing witty to say.

I want to see some chingy ching later today. From porn, not dating. lets rock into December. Shitty weather here and across the nation can only help the cause.

stever

lol at spiders and shaving

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18teens

Sales have been pretty fucked up for me the past week.

signupdamnit

Exactly. Everyone in this industry is above reproach and of the highest ethical caliber. Besides they're too afraid of being sent to hell.

fatfoo

It sure makes sense to discontinue an unprofitable business. I suppose a business can stay if it breaks even.

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The Porn Nerd

HOW could I miss a Vjo post like this? Oh the horror, the HORROR! LOL

Must've been working at 4 am or something.....sorry Vjo!

Last week sales were really good; this week they started off terrible! Had to switch cascades a lot, make phone calls, send emails, etc etc. "Cyber Monday" was shitty, too.

So all you can do is, like you said, work harder during the down times. Oh - and in january Vjo I'll be adding THE hottest website I have to my affiliate program, PeabodyCash, and then it will be cha-ching! for my buddy Vjo.

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And more Fellucia Blow promo tools, too. So we'll micro-niche you up big time Vjo! Hang in there!

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Vjo

Congrats on the new site! Looks pretty ding dang good.

Still sucking dick here. Ya know thing is for the period I am just a bit below average, only because I had a couple superb days around the 18th 19th. So I think I am really just being held back by statistical averages.

The last 8 days are so bad that I cant believe I am actually not too bad for the period (which is how you have to look at it)

I think from the time we send our first 100 hits, based on 10,000 variables, we are immediately locked into a ratio and altho we can tweak it, without major changes a certain traffic is help in check by the ratio and if you go up you will go down. And vice versa. If you send a certain number of hits over a certain time x surfers will join based on the predetermined mathematical ratio.

It is all out of our hands. So look at the whole period is what I am telling myself. Forget that it sucks the last week.

Fucken snowed last night while I was comiserating on the board so up after a couple hours sleep to deal with that.

Anyhow hope your day is going well.

wehateporn

Today has been slow (30th Nov), but the weekend was amazing. It's been a rollercoaster ride this month, but somehow it's ended up being the best since my good old days in 2008.

Good luck with your sales, they'll be back soon

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Vjo

Thanks That's what I want to hear.

Seriously sometimes they disappeer and ya wonder if they are ever comin back. Prob get hit with a couple more spikes (hopefully) and all this will be just a bunch of silly typing. Isnt that the way it always goes. Roller coaster ride always.

But this one was one of the longest lulls ever after one of the highest spikes ever. Coincidence? No. I believe the law of averages works quick. Still drives ya nuts tho.

OR... maybe I'm just getting the piss shaved out of me? Nah. Never happen.

Out for snow fun.

Penny24Seven

I have never even come close to doing as bad a 1:1000 and from what I have been reading that sounds good. My site does not get a lot of traffic and none of it is junk so that must be why.

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The Porn Nerd

Doin' fine on Cloud Nine, Brother Vjo. Snow - OMG please do not mention the 'S' word. Rainy, crappy day here in NYC, and although I had errands galore to run I stayed in and - gasp! - worked. LOL

Mathematical statistical analytical multi-dimensional sales ratios. Yup, not much can be done in that area. (Although I found drinking brandy, watching Victoria's Secret tv specials and smoking a doob helps somewhat; not in sales but in terms of my anxiety ABOUT sales.)

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EDIT: 50 Statistics Junkies

The simple answer to this question is the problem of minimum payouts. You can send 100 sales, 1 to 100 different sites, and never get paid out on any sales because you haven't reached the minimum payout threshold.

The deeper answer is not all clicks are created equal. Sending tranny-seeking traffic to a straight dating site isn't a profitable venture. Matching your customer to your product is key in improving your ratios.

See? It's not all numbers and philosophy

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